Thursday, October 06, 2005

Music And Pictures

October 3, 2005 article entitled Nuclear Tunes Blast on to Iran's Airwaves :
"Nuclear science may not be considered ideal subject matter for a popular song, but the musical boffins in Iran's state media apparatus think differently.

"In recent days, Iran's airwaves have been buzzing with two new tunes apparently designed to rally public support for the clerical regime's increasingly tense stand-off with the West over its nuclear ambitions.

"The first song is entitled 'Oriental Sun, Nuclear Science', and sung to a backdrop of military-style marching music by Ali Tafreshi. The second similarly catchy tune is 'Nuclear Know-How"'by Reza Shirazi.

"Both extol the wonders of a 'great and powerful Iran' which has destroyed 'the arrogance of the oppressors' and 'defends its independence by using science'.

"Despite the heavyweight nationalist lyricism, Iran insists its nuclear programme it strictly peaceful. But the West in unconvinced, and the European Union and United States want Iran to abandon its works on the potentially dual use nuclear fuel cycle and are threatening UN Security Council action.

"The songs, produced by Iran's state television and radio apparatus, have therefore been getting good airplay -- and are also accompanying TV clips of atomic facilities used to praise the 'young engineers who have succeeded, without the help of foreigners, to develop the Iranian nuclear programme'."
Compare the above item with An Insertion Meant for Deletion, which appeared in the October 3, 2005 edition of the Washington Post:
"And now, reason No. 1,446 that Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes is having a hard time working the crowd in the Muslim world.

"An ad listing Boeing, Bell Helicopter and other companies making the troubled Osprey CV-22 attack helicopter appeared in the National Journal last week. It shows soldiers rappelling from the chopper onto the roof of a building, which says in Arabic on the side, 'Muhammad Mosque.'

"'It descends from the heavens. Ironically it unleashes hell,' the ad touts. 'The CV-22 delivers Special Forces to insertion points never thought possible.'

"Like a mosque?

"The folks at the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), naturally, were furious and protested. Within hours, the companies and the National Journal responded. 'We consider the ad offensive, regret its publication and apologize to those who like us are dismayed with its contents,' Boeing said.

"The companies said they had tried to pull the ad several weeks ago. It ran, National Journal Executive Vice President Elizabeth Baker Keffer told CAIR in an e-mail, 'as the result of a clerical error on our part. We had received specific direction from the agency representing Boeing/Bell to not run the ad. We have apologized to Boeing, their partner Bell and their advertising agency [in Irving, Tex.] for this mistake. We accept full responsibility for the error.'"
Two different governments, with differing perceptions as to what is offensive or dangerous.

Karen Hughes has her work cut out for her--as in the labors of Sisyphus.


At 10/06/2005 10:41 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Well AOW, I have to agree that there isn't much room for optimism. Charlie Rose was interviewing on of the heads of Qatar (a fairly progressive state actually) and the feeling is that it will be very difficult to dissuade Iran.

Of course the idea that we can invade is pretty risible. I fear that we have helped set back the democratic movement in iran and face a rather fascist state playing a big role in the M.E.

Big Boy Hughes is a joke. What Bush has done is unite the bulk of the iranian political spectrum behind nationalism. A hard line nationalist won the election because THAT'S WHAT THE IRANIANS WANT. You risk making the same error made in iraq in assuming they will welcome us with flowers. They don't want what we are selling. When we learn that we can adjust and make progress.

At 10/06/2005 12:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

mr. ducky,

What makes you think WE will have to invade? The real battle is only now taking shape. For once the Iraqi Shi'as over-reach becomes apparent when the new Iraqi Constitution fails, the Saudi's and other Sunni's will be forced to respond in kind. The War on Terror will then escalate as the militias engage transforming it into an almost entirely intra-Islamic affair.

And with all our new bases in Iraq, we'll be in a position to keep the oil lanes secure as we won't need to provide any ground troops, only air cover and intelligence (our specialty).

Funny isn't it, Osama and the Iraqi "insurgents" will be on our "Sunni" side this time, and the only flowers the Iraqi's will need will be for the tombs of their martyrs.

My only wish is that the Kurds get a new state out of this. Naaaahhh, Turkey will likely make their move and absorb 'em. That'll give sufficient reason for the EU to keep Turkey out for another 20 years and put a lid on Islamic emigration to Europe.

Didn't you get the Straussian brief? ;-)


At 10/06/2005 12:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course, the Saudi's do have a "back-up" plan for countering Iran, but I don't think the US will concede them the option...

6/9/05 article



At 10/06/2005 12:52 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

I suppose you can try to predict the blowback, Farmer. You are as likely to be correct as anyone else.

I object only to your use of the ridiculous term "War on Terror". There is no war and you can't engage a tactic in war.

Save that for the suckers like AOW. Save it for Rollo (research Charles Ives).

At 10/06/2005 1:06 PM, Blogger samwich said...

FJ, Bush has built nine airbases circling Iran. He's lost two.
Seven to go.
History has shown that when a military build up occurs or a new more powerful weapon is developed, the next step is war.
My perspective is tainted by what Revelations has to say and the military industrial complex's addiction money and power.

As a retired Happy Boeing Bastard, I get to live with the fact that in 21 years, I had to sic a lawyer on that two bit backstabatorium four times. The corporate attitude is: trample who ever gets in the way of the almighty profit.
There is Big money to be made in war. Lady Bird Johnson was heavily invested in Bell Helicopter during Vietnam and made a BUNDLE from repalcing the helicopters that were shot down and others dumped over board to make room for refugees during the Communist rout.

I have worked on airplanes purchased by Saudi Arabia, Iran, Quatar, etc. When it was found out that I am of hebrew descent, I was kept from working on their airplanes. I got paid to "make work" and look busy while you got billed $200 per hour for my screwing off.
My 12 man crew, (I was a lead jouneyman) now has two leads, each billing $200+ per hour. I was a working lead, they are paper leads.
They, like I, assign work and train
subordinates. I also got work done, they do not.

Boeing, like Clinton, has the attitude that it is more profitable to dump on you and lip service apologise profusely rather than be upright and honest.

The Muslim world is the "enemy" in Revelations Ch 9.


At 10/06/2005 1:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what do you think of the Rollo Rock movement mr. ducky? From the descriptions, I don't think my ears could bear to hear Ive's "Concord Symphony". But I bet I could listen to Rollo Rock.

You can't engage in a tactic during a war??? How about a strategy?


At 10/06/2005 2:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


As for the military-industrial complex... I'm sure they would be happier designing robotic mining operations, undersea farms, archologies, and planning terra forming operations for Mars AND Venus rather than forensically tracking bomb-planters from the air and builing bunker busters.

There's a bunch more money to be made resulting in real PROFITS by doing the former. But you know those crazy capitalists. You've got a "need", they'll build you an answer. Only Caveat Emptor! They DO know how to create needs, as any advert man is well aware.

And speaking of uprightness and honesty, I understand the guys at Los Alamos National Labs learned some GREAT lessons about how the government has institutionalized lipservice to those, now stale, mentioned virtues.


At 10/06/2005 2:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

But of course you realize, Sammy, that many of those other uses for the military industrial complex have been made virtually impossible by "pirate" legislation like the International Law of the Sea (ILOS) Treaty and numerous environmental groups. Can't have anyone using the planet's resources and all! Just try getting an archology approved without an environmental impact statement.


At 10/06/2005 2:44 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

You know FJ, I've never quite thought of it this way... but you may be onto something.

This falls well within the "black helicopter theory" realm, but could the Iraq war be degrading into slow anarchy.... on purpose?

Could the entire goal of the "west" be much the same as the Iran/Iraq war of yore? Could the entire goal be to plunge them back into a choas against eachother, thus removing their vitrial for us?

Spooky to think that we would play nation states as mere pawns on our chess board, but it wouldnt be the first time.

And S,

which enemy? I just did a quick google on Chpt 9, and did a Cntl+F looking for the word enemy, but came up blank. That is the chapter talking about the hole in the ground that the locusts stining people with scorpion tails and all...

At 10/06/2005 4:05 PM, Blogger samwich said...

G, John had no language to describe a helocopter gunship. He did an adequate job. I have close combat experience from Vietnam. A helicopter gunship does indeed fly with the noise of a locust and sting like a scorpion.

Ancient Mescech has become modern Moscow.

There are seven woes described.
Five have occured. The fifth was a war of 5 months duration, no trees or grass harmed, few die, etc. This was Gulf I. Iraq occupied Kuwait for five months before Coalition forces attacked and expelled them.

The sixth woe is next, a war of a year, a month, a day and an hour.

The third woe is a star falling from wormwood and poisoning waters.
Wormwood in Ukrainian is pronounced "Chornobyl". The ground water is poisoned all the way to England. Cows in England are eating grass watered with radioactive water and cows are giving radioactive milk. Chornobyl coincided with a spike up of 40,000 extra cancer deaths in the US

Gog and Magog, Mescech.
The Arab world armed with Soviet Bloc weapons

Who is plunging the world into war???

FJ, nothing runs up a national debt like a war. We've got two and two hurricanes to pay for. Where is Bush borrowing the money?

At 10/06/2005 4:26 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...


China is bankrolling things... our debt is their gain.

The only thing I saw in your prophetic translation was the gunship being the locusts. I understand the visual reference (especially the face of a man perhaps is the pilot), but they are supposed to sting, but not kill.

At 10/06/2005 6:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


All I can say is that the opportunity to find a peaceful solution to the problem of Iraqi misgovernment was handed to them on a $200 billion Made in USA/GB platter and written in blood. And if they failed to do right by THAT generous offer, one can hardly blame US. And so if it FAILS, I've no problem with seeing the "problem of Islam" taking care of itself. Perhaps the Straussian's themselves predicted it... a win-win for the West, no matter WHAT happened. They're ALL hedge investors, after all.


At 10/06/2005 6:28 PM, Blogger samwich said...

g, few died many longed for death.
Some do die from scorpin stings.

At 10/06/2005 8:48 PM, Blogger samwich said...


Al Gore claims credit for inventing God

At 10/06/2005 9:18 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

They [the Iranians] don't want what we are selling. When we learn that we can adjust and make progress.

What they are selling (worldwide domination) doesn't include the survival of any other ideology. What is the "adjustment" which allows for middle ground?

As to the elections, they weren't exactly open. Lots of interference happened at the polls when the military forces sided with the radical recently installed into office.

Under the present leadership of Iran, Hughes's attempts to build bridges are doomed to failure. Those attempts will also be doomed elsewhere in the Middle East with continued rabble-rousing from either side. The songs to which I referred and the rappell-onto-the-mosque will combine and promote further division.

I've never had much hope for Hughes's efforts in the first place. Islamic nations have never been particularly open to compromise with the West. The current Iranian administration has labeled as "Westoxification" any efforts at compromise. If not developing nuclear weapons is considered compromise, then we have an impasse.

At 10/06/2005 9:28 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Could the entire goal of the "west" be much the same as the Iran/Iraq war of yore? Could the entire goal be to plunge them back into a choas against eachother, thus removing their vitrial for us? Promote in-fighting and neutralize? Very Machiavellian.

I've heard such a hidden strategy suggested at some other sites, but I never gave it much credence.

Certainly invasion isn't the only way to deal with the threat from Iran.

Learned this, which I've paraphrased, from an Iranian whom I knew some years ago..."We resent the Saudis' holding the monopoly on holy sites. We are Persians. They are Arabs [Sneer, with an air of superiority], just one step away from barbarism. We had a civilization first." Just tossing this in for consideration--what he said didn't mean much to me at the time.

At 10/06/2005 9:37 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Revelation is open to many interpretations. Many historical eras have pointed to that same chapter to identify "the enemy."

So did some nut jobs such as Charles Manson, who, comparing Revelation 9 to the Beatles' White Album (which included Revolution No. 9) said that the "breastplates" were electric guitars and the "tails" were the cords for electric guitars.

I'm not saying that anyone here is wrong, just pointing out the levels of the Book of Revelation.

I'm not sure that I want to see too far into the future.

At 10/07/2005 6:12 AM, Blogger samwich said...

Behold the Fig Tree.

AOW watching for the signs of the last days has been a passion of mine for about thirty three years.
Space here is limited and I do not wish to clutter it up with contention.

I think the best perspective you can get is:
"And There Shall Be Signs" by Roger K Young.
It has no Mormon references, only biblical ref's.
S...student of salvation

At 10/07/2005 8:30 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Yes, I believe that there will be signs of the latter days. Is that watching of signs particularly intense for Mormons? I've noted that my Mormon aunt has been educating herself about Islam since 9/11, and I believe she makes a connection even though we don't spend a lot of time talking about the differences between our two faiths. Also--and this may sound funny to you--I "respect my elders." Part of my upbringing as my father was descended from Mennonites. Some see that type of upbringing as oppressive, but I didn't find it so because I came from a loving home, the rules notwithstanding. [Am I making sense here?]

So many churches today seem willfully ignorant of the signs of the end days and of the dangers which Islamism poses; of course, there are exceptions.

Yes, we could discuss the interpretations of Revelation, but such a discussion would be very long, I think. I agree that here is not the place.

Just so you know...I used to give Revelation a lot of thought, especially when I was younger. Not so much anymore. "No one knows but the Father." So I'll just live my faith the way I believe I've been guided to do. I fully respect you as you do the same.

At 10/07/2005 9:43 AM, Blogger samwich said...

Hi AOW, Islam has a tolerance for Mormonism because of our prohibition to alcohol and premarital sex. The LDS church is actively engaged in friendly relations and dialog with Islam.
We hope for peace by offering peace.

I've studied the "signs" in great detail and embraced the opinions of experts who made the best sense.
ie Christ was born on (gregorian calendar) April 6, 1 BC, exactly 4000 years to the day after Adam and Eve were driven out of the Garden of Eden. This statement got me loads of flak from mainstream Christians who didn't know for sure themselves but objected to a mormon having the info. If you looked at the evidence I looked at, there is no other conclusion. Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden for 70 years before they were driven out.
Again if you looked at the evidence I looked at you too would accept it. But a mormon has the info and we are not accepted among mainstream Christians.

The promise is, those who watch for Him will not be cut off from His presence when He comes.

These are examples, I believe them, They are not put here to provoke argument. It is just to give you a glimpse of how deeply I studied the subject.

Jewish tradition, Hebrew Holy Days, an ancient calendar, Daniel in Nebbuchadnezzar's court, a specific lunar eclipse not visible from Jericho and modern astronomy have given me the answers.

Respect for our elders is a precept of our faith also. Geneology is for our elders, long dead.

OK detractors, this is AOW's blog
and I am NOT going to argue the point. If you wish to argue HERE you are wasting your time. Do not waste her space.

At 10/07/2005 9:53 AM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

Shoot guys, I'm too young to have this much insight into it.

At 10/07/2005 10:09 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Nutlogs, AOW? Did you mean Charles Manson or Colson?

Yes, the Book of Revelations. The source of much trouble in the world. I wish it were possible to isolate the sects which read to Deuteronomy and skip to Revelations and put them on and island with the wahabi nutjobs. Talk about two birds with one stone.

The rest of us could go on living with much more peace. Yes, American religious fascists are just as dangerous as wahabis and must ultimately be controlled or destroyed.

At 10/07/2005 10:46 AM, Blogger samwich said...

Duck, why do you and I see the same things from opposite ends of the spectrum???

Does "by their fruit shall ye know them" ring any bells???

I believe that Bush is doing all he can to push the swing vote to the Democrats. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton. She's gonna get the last word in no matter what!

Esther, please give us a heads up when Desperate Housewives starts plugging a woman President. What other TV programs do women watch???

At 10/07/2005 10:55 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

I really can't comment, samwich, because I just don't get this Hillary paranoia.

One thing that has to be understood is that the Dems are simply Republicans with a sprinkling of largely ineffective social activism thrown it. In the strict sense they are(both) a fascist party...fascism being the combination of state and corporate control.

Now you and I both realize there is a strong fascist movement in the country but to believe that Hillary Clinton is singular is fucking ludicrous.

At 10/07/2005 11:11 AM, Blogger Esther said...

Great post, AOW! My guess is a difference is one govt realizes it can be ousted by the people so it's afraid to make waves. The other doesn't give a damn about its people and will kill them in waves if they say anything they don't like.

At 10/07/2005 11:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

methinks esther is spot on!


At 10/07/2005 3:26 PM, Blogger samwich said...

Duck, I don't have Hillary paranoia, I just see the influence of the media and Bush's antics. I don't believe this is accidental. Dems and Repubs are scooped out of the same bucket and serve the same masters. Corporate control of the state.
We speak the same language in different dialects.
Bubba speaks loyal Texan.

You decline to believe my religious beliefs. AS IS YOUR RIGHT. If you want to know something from me I believe you would ask. ie my discourses about Daniel got no interest.

I see you are charitable and grateful that you have the means to be. I deliver my charity by Chev Suburban, you by Amtrack.
My God does not look over the vehicle, He looks over your heart.
I will not ever be able to convert you. I may be able to show you something which interests you enough to investigate until you convert yourself.
My own conversion began as a quest to prove Mormonism was wrong. I gave it a fair hearing. It won.

At 10/07/2005 11:17 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Lots of people interpret Revelation and do no harm. Most, in fact.

At 10/08/2005 3:09 AM, Blogger Rich Molumby said...

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At 10/08/2005 10:15 AM, Blogger American Crusader said...

I remember when Pakistan first test detonated a nuclear device. At that time it was called the Islamic bomb. I wonder what they will call Iran's nuclear weapons?

At 10/08/2005 11:54 AM, Blogger Gindy said...

"Karen Hughes has her work cut out for her"

Frankly, I am not expecting much out of her tour.

At 10/08/2005 1:53 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Fanatics don't respond to diplomacy. Maybe Hughes is trying to reach the Islamic women, but I have my doubts on that score as well.

Do Islamists listen to infidels? I think not. To female infidels? Hardly.

What Hughes is trying to do appears logical to the Western mind, but the Islamic mind thinks differently. Arabic has no past tense as we understand the concept. Nothing is never over and done on their continuum of time--thus, the eternal feud rages on.


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