Wednesday, October 12, 2005

Jihadists On Country Lanes?

According to Baron Bodissey at Gates of Vienna :
Jamaat ul-Fuqra in Virginia, Part 1

"During the Beltway Sniper crisis, back in the fall of 2002, a series of articles in The Washington Times described John Allen Muhammad’s conversion to Islam, and his later break with the Nation of Islam (the articles are no longer available, but extracts have been preserved here). Apparently the NOI was not militant enough for Mr. Muhammad, and he left it to become involved with a group called Jamaat ul-Fuqra (Arabic for “community of the impoverished”), a terrorist organization....

"The group was founded in New York by Sheikh Gilani in New York in 1980. Its current headquarters is in Hancock, New York, and it has various compounds, or Jamaats, scattered throughout the United States and Canada, notably in Colorado, New York, Tennessee, Georgia, and Virginia. Most of the adherents are reported to be American-born Black Muslims who follow a strict Islamist ideology.

"Sheikh Gilani, you may remember, is the cleric with whom Daniel Pearl had arranged an interview back in January of 2002. Unfortunately, Mr. Pearl was betrayed by his sources, and then abducted and beheaded. Sheikh Gilani was arrested later that month and languishes in Pakistani custody...."
The article goes on to mention the organization's numerous jihad operations in North America in the 1980's and 1990's, involvement in the planning of the 1993 WTC bombing (Clement Rodney Hampton-el, convicted for connections to the 1993 WTC, was a member of Jamaat al-Fuqra), and possible connections to Richard Reid of shoe-bomber notoriety. Also of note here is that Jamaat al-Fuqra is active within the prisons of various states.

Read the entire article, complete with photos, here. As the Baron has entitled his article "Part I," we can probably look forward to at least one update.


At 10/12/2005 11:34 AM, Blogger Gindy said...

What was most amazing about his conversion to Islam is that the press didn't seem to want to cover that issue. I wouldn't even have known he was a convert if it wasn't for his name.

At 10/12/2005 11:37 AM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

Gindy, AOW, and the rest of you are getting in the way of PC TRUTH!

I am not surprised. This is yet another example of radical groups, bent on destroying American society, operating in this country under the protections that they seek to eliminate.

At 10/12/2005 11:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet another example of the problems of our polyglot culture and society. I simply wish we could all choose and live in our own "ideal" societies, and not have to rub elbows with every Tom, Dick , and Harry whose "ideal" society represents the antithesis of everything you love.

Rousseau's "Emile" eventually chose to live in the culture and society he was raised in. I imagine most others would do likewise. Those who demand "better" should be forced to move to some place with like-minded fools and found their own Nirvana's.

Why we refuse to allow them to do so remains a mystery to my mind. If your neighbor poses a threat, pose a counter-threat. All neighbors hate each other, but can tolerate those who's borders they do not share and therfore pose little threat.

I admire the Swiss system. I believe they all maintain the equivalent of three citizenships. One country, one canton, and one city. To become a citizen in a local community requires you have neighbors to "vouch" for you. Wish we had something like it here.


At 10/12/2005 11:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

An example of the "multiple" levels of Swiss citizenship...


At 10/12/2005 1:16 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Thanks for letting me know about this post. Before moving to New York I lived less than 50 mi. from where this compound is located. It's hard to believe that many black Muslims from America now find the Nation of Islam not militant enough. If this compound was manned by white militant or separatist groups it would have been raided years ago (David Koresh, Ruby Ridge) but as long as we continue to shy away from anything that might not be politically correct or even worse "racist" these groups will continue to grow unfettered. I wonder if President Bush and his advisers truly understand what they are up against. I know that in his public speeches he continues to assuage the Muslim community.
Two examples:
1. "Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion." October 11, 2002
2. "According to Muslim teachings, God first revealed His word in the Holy Qur'an to the prophet, Muhammad, during the month of Ramadan. That word has guided billions of believers across the centuries, and those believers built a culture of learning and literature and science. All the world continues to benefit from this faith and its achievements. November 19, 2001

At 10/12/2005 7:09 PM, Blogger David Schantz said...

Just got back from Gates of Vienna, thanks for this posting. I find myself wondering why the federal government was able to get the Weaver family off their land. they destroyed the Branch Davidian Church in Waco, Texas and killed many of it's members, but they can't or won't go after real terrorist organizations.

God Bless America, God Save The Republic.

At 10/12/2005 9:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When we speak of "government," we of course refer to those faceless thousands of employees who are empowered to make decisions that affect all of our lives. These decision makers are principally worried about not "screwing the pooch" as they develop their budding careers. This is a human nature thing, and probably wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fact that there is no accountability for the thousands of faceless people who, too many times, make really bad decisions. Sometimes, these decisions actually hurt Americans, and in many other occasions, they make decisions that are NOT in the best interests of the American people.

Without accountability, we are all essentially at their mercy. Maybe this is something that we should all think about . . .

At 10/12/2005 9:48 PM, Anonymous Lisa Gilliam said...

Mustang as usual you display uncanny wisdom in describing such problems as this.David, you were very good too in your analasis.I have a great Aunt who has been a member of the Nation of Islam for years,they talk tough,but they haven't moved beyond talk yet and started doing what Zarquarwi has told them to do.I know that day is coming though.But these people in government do not display any wisdom and that is what you need in life and death situations such as this,not just the college you supposedly attended.The Bible says wisdom is more precious than rubies,and that is what our leaders need and they shouldn't be hard headed to ask.We have plenty of examples of wisdom not being displayed and it has cost us dearly.People should know and learn what they can handle,and it is plain to see that the beuracracy that we have in our government is a good indication that there wasn't any wisdom in the last 10 years or so.

At 10/13/2005 1:23 AM, Blogger samwich said...

Mustang, government can be "made sorry". It takes publicly exposing the elected official in charge of the guilty bureaucracy.
It takes the effort to tip an election away from the offending official's party.
It takes the uncanny personality disorder of continually pissing people off and focusing that anger at city, county, state or federal hall. It takes a willingness to subordinate your particular issue in public to what ever will anger the voters at the offender's reelection bid. Sometimes you can't get the offending office holder but you can nail a differnt election for the offender's party and rub party headquarter's nose in it.
We are not powerless.
Communication is power.
Advertising is the power to influence the attitude of the electorate.

Commander in Chief is the marketing survey and firstest with the mostest in the market place wins infomercial, the first and most important law of advertising and marketing. Hillary is now the firstest with the mostest. The hard left knows she has to pander to the center to win and will indulge her.

Let me illustrate: Jimmy Hoffa suported Nixon but had to ask what should Hoffa do? Come out "for" or "against" to get the vote into Nixon's camp.

Picture this:
When Hillary visits your town, get a BIG WIDE banner campaign hanging from freeway overpasses, the airport exits, anywhere with good public visibility. Let the banners read:

COMMUNIST PARTY USA WELCOMES AND SUPPORTS HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT. (hammer and sickel in front and at end or above and below)

AMERICAN SOCIALISTS (with swastika between American & Socialists)

Do you think that would enhance her popularity in your town?

At 10/13/2005 5:55 AM, Blogger samwich said...


The new issue, November 2005, of READER'S DIGEST has an article about a red state and blue state family switching places and lives. Pretty good human interest Blah Blah Blah except for the SUBLIMINAL lie that Hillary Clinton is not anti gun:
Page 124 shows a "Chris Farley" type (died from a drug overdose) backwards baseball capped chubbo slob holding a semiauto pistol.

The caption reads: James Catterall(right) got hands-on instruction in guns and hunting- COMFORTABLE PARTS OF CLINTON CULTURE (emphasis mine)


The main thrust of the article focuses on "most Americans have congregated in the middle".
(Hillary is masquerading as a "CENTRIST" and hiding from her anti gun past).

More Big Money on Hillary 2008


At 10/13/2005 9:35 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...


Remember true Muslims like Stephen Schwartz consider the NOI a cult. His famous joke is I will not debate anyone with a one letter name.

At 10/13/2005 12:32 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...


She's a comming. But I would be interested to see if your idea for reverse advertisement works, or is used. Anyone that has photoshop should make up a cute web-banner, that could then start being passed around various blogs, posted on blog aggrigator sites that will take personal banners (like

I already burnt out my trial version of photo ship though... any other takers?

At 10/13/2005 3:33 PM, Blogger samwich said...

g. The blogs will help but what is needed is a "masses" focused campaign. The power of television, America's electric baby sitter has become the industrialized world's "everybody sitter". Most people would rather be comfortably entertained rather than recreationally entertained.

Myself, being a dumb grunt, I prefer recreational entertainment.
White water rafting, fishing, touring remote places, renewable energy for small scale use, stuff like that.

At 10/13/2005 10:02 PM, Blogger Esther said...

Hilary is pretty scary. She is poised to run and I'm not sure what republican can beat her. But they need to be tough on immigration and appear to know what Islamists are to get my attention. Great post, AOW.

At 10/13/2005 10:12 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I checked again today, and
has some more updates. They aren't comforting.

At 10/13/2005 10:20 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

You said, What was most amazing about his conversion to Islam is that the press didn't seem to want to cover that issue.
In this pc climate, any negative mention of Islam is taboo. We ignore developments at our own peril.

At 10/13/2005 10:24 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Since the founding of this nation, groups antithetical to American ideals have always existed. What is most disturbing right now is our media's insistence on covering the truth with the blanket of political correctness. The designation of Islam as a religion gives extremists the covertness they need to continue pursuing the objective. Add to the foregoing the sensitivity training for our law enforcement--a recipe for ostriching.

At 10/13/2005 10:25 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

The signs of danger are plain. Yet pc ties the hands of law enforcement.

At 10/13/2005 10:30 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

These decision makers are principally worried about not "screwing the pooch" as they develop their budding careers.

Lack of accountability, lack of integrity, lack of commitment to their office--all contribute to failure. And, yes, we are at their mercy; and an enemy awaits the opportunity to take us down.

At 10/13/2005 10:33 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

If JF is active within our prison system, the kindling is just waiting for an ignition spark.

As you put it: the Nation of Islam for years,they talk tough,but they haven't moved beyond talk yet and started doing what Zarquarwi has told them to do.I know that day is coming though.

At 10/13/2005 10:40 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

You said, Yet another example of the problems of our polyglot culture and society....To become a citizen in a local community requires you have neighbors to "vouch" for you. Wish we had something like it here.

The loss of sense of community has become a serious problem in the last two or three decades; I've seen this in my own little neighborhood. At one time, all of us on this block knew each others' names. Not so any longer. In many ways, we here on this block are less diverse than in past decades, but we have little common bond because most of us are just biding our time to retire somewhere else.

When citizens do not have a vested interest in their little communities, society disintegrates from the bottom up.

If "the melting pot" concept is to succeed, it must begin at the smallest of local levels.

At 10/13/2005 10:41 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Samwich and G,
I see the Hillary push in the making.

Can she muster the votes?

At 10/13/2005 10:43 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Yes, Schwartz does consider NOI as a cult. But a cult can be a powerful movement, can it not?

Of course, you know that many Muslims consider Sufism as outside the mainstream of Islam.

At 10/13/2005 10:46 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I've seen several such human-interest stories as the one in Reader's Digest. In fact, a journalist here recently complained of the dumbing-down of news articles, which no longer follow the traditional journalistic form (the w's--who, what, where, when, why). The articles make for interesting reading but have an underlying agenda. Or so I believe.

At 10/13/2005 11:01 PM, Blogger samwich said...

Hillary and the Manipulated Electorate

Hillary Clinton has begun her Hollywood Campaign. Events include a $500 per person fundraiser at Rob Reiner's home and a $1000 per person brunch hosted by producers Bruce Cohen and Dan Jinks.

Mitt Romney, the 2002 Olympics and Governor of Massachusttes.
Mitt is Mormon and could not have been elected in a "christian" state because mainstream christians reject mormonism. He had to win in a secular state to obtain political credentials. He did.

Hillary vs Mitt "Marvin Mormon" Romney will bolt the liberal christians to Hillary's camp and the non religious but all important swing vote.

Basicall 40% of voters are democrat faithful and 40% are republican faithful. The 20% in the middle are the ones to catch, AND THE GROUP I WORK.

The mainstream media is already on the Hillary Band Wagon. Mitt Romney looks like the sacrificial lamb to spook the anti mormon vote to Hillary's camp. Hillary doesn't need the left wing's strident support, only their indulgence, which she has already. People who voted against Kerry had only Bush to vote for. People who want to vote against "extreme right wing mormonism" will only have Hillary or a conservative dividing third party for another defacto Clinton win.

The handwriting on the Wall says Hillary 2008 and the more puzzle pieces come the clearer the picture is.


At 10/13/2005 11:05 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

You beat me to the punch. I was stopping back by here to give you this link:

I tend to agree with you about that 20%. How "swingable"?

At 10/13/2005 11:19 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

American Crusader,
I understand why GWB might be assuaging the Muslim community. But hyperbole and pc don't address the threat.

At 10/14/2005 12:06 AM, Blogger samwich said...

AOW given my talent/personality disorder for pissing people off and teaching me about advertising and politics in the bargain, one lone copywriter, moi, tipped Washington state in 1992 with:

(Norm Maleng was candidate for State Attorney genreal)


Dirty Legal Tricks and Loop Holes in the Law, Exactly as Learned From Norm Maleng's Expert Staff at the Office of Child Support Enforcement.

Body Copy Blah Balh Balh.
Instructions to printer and mailer:
AS laid out. Mailed in pastel blue envelopes, hand addressed with feminine script, 1st class postage.
(my junk mail gets opened and read, everybody who gets a greeting card opens it!)

I packaged up the whole schmeer with the Child Support Enforcement case number and mailed it to the Seattle National Organization for Women. NOW took it to the Republican women's caucus and republican Maleng took the entire republican ticket into his political grave with him that year. The democrats carried the state.

When I piss off Washington's women voters I am NOT on the ballot for them to vote against and the women DO NOT vote against the woman on the ballot. It has taken 12 years to get a republican into Olympia.
Rob McKenna (R) won the State attorney general election by 150,000 votes. Gregoire(D) won the governor's race by 99 votes after two recounts.

I could tip washington back but I need bodies to picket and collect signatures.

The swing vote is the key to every general election, The primary is the key to who gets on the ballot.

We could dump Cantwell if I had the bodies in 06 and tip Washington to the repubs in 08.


At 10/14/2005 8:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Community. Community? We don't need no stinkin' community! We've got gov'mint. And they do EVERYTHING! And if I want to do something that they do, like educate my own kids, all I have to do is get their permission.


At 10/14/2005 1:59 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

The Baron is a stitch.

I notice the old fart is still going on about the explosion in Norman.

FBI closed that investigation as a suicide and nothing more.

Someone tell The Red Baron to update his files.

At 10/14/2005 3:13 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

The last I heard either the warrant or the indictment was sealed by the feds; a sealed warrant might mean nothing, but a dead man is not often indicted, as far as I know. I admit that I'm not current on the latest info.

I did find this, however, in a quick look...

From an October 12, 2005 article @
news/5089519/detail.html :

FBI Says No Link Between Bombing, Terrorism

POSTED: 11:26 am CDT October 12, 2005
UPDATED: 11:35 am CDT October 12, 2005

NORMAN, Okla. -- The continuing FBI investigation into an explosion outside a packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma has not found any indication that the student killed in the blast had any connection with terrorists, a congressman says.

Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., said Tuesday he spoke to Salvador Hernandez, FBI special agent in charge of the bureau's Oklahoma office, about Joel H. Hinrichs III, an engineering student who died Oct. 1 when his bomb went off about 100 yards from the football stadium during the second quarter of OU's night game against Kansas State. The student was sitting on a campus bench.

University and FBI officials have said previously there was no known link between Hinrichs and terrorists, but Cole, whose district includes Norman, sought the meeting with Hernandez as rumors about the case have persisted.

"He said, 'We're continuing our investigation, but as every day goes by it just seems less and less likely. ... This looked like an individual act,"' Cole said.

Officials later removed more explosive materials from Hinrichs' apartment, which is near a mosque. The FBI questioned his Pakistani roommate.

Hinrichs, 21, was from Colorado Springs, Colo. He had a reputation as a loner and had struggled at times with his grades.

Cole said he also asked the agent specifically whether the FBI found the student intended to get inside the stadium.

"He said, 'We may never know. We have no evidence of a plan to do that, but we also couldn't tell you definitively he didn't try to do it and was rebuffed. We just simply don't know,"' Cole said.

Cole said the agent also told him the FBI found nothing indicating Hinrichs attended the mosque.

Cole said he asked the agent specifically whether jihadist material was found in the apartment, which was widely reported on Internet sites. "He told me there was absolutely none - nothing that would suggest links to terrorist groups."

Cole also said the agent told him, "The roommate thing seems to be purely coincidental. ... No connection there whatsoever."

Cole said the agent "really went out of his way to establish that, I think, because he knows there's a legitimate concern and he doesn't want people who are innocent of any wrongdoing to be suspected of any wrongdoing."

He said the agent praised how the Islamic community cooperated with the FBI probe.

Hinrichs had a longtime fascination with bombs and ammunition, his family and friends have said. Cole said the FBI agent also remarked Tuesday how surprising it is that someone will have a history of playing around with "these things ... and people know it and we never get notified until something happens."

I also read that some bombs were found at Georgia Tech. This morning, somewhere, I read that The Big 12 will be implementing additional security for stadiums--no backpacks whatsoever allowed inside.

My making connections would be pure speculation, of course.

I surmise that you get a kick out of calling the Baron an old fart. Suit yourself.

At 10/14/2005 7:48 PM, Blogger Baron Bodissey said...

Mr. Ducky may quack as much as he likes, but taking the word of the FBI on anything is not a wise move. The FBI has not proved a reliable source of information in recent years.

There's a reason why they don't want people to think there's a wider connection in the Joel Hinrichs bombing, but the main question remains: How did they know enough about Hinrichs to show up in only a few minutes at the apartment where the Muslims were gathered? Heck, at that point, Hinrichs was only a series of body parts scattered around near that bench. How did they know to raid his roommate & pals?

Unless the whole group was already under surveillance?

They don't want to tip their hand. Well, unless the mujahideen are a lot stupider than I think they are, they know they're being watched already.


At 10/14/2005 8:16 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

It isn't unusual for law-enforcement to say the investigation is resolved even when the investigation is ongoing.

The body parts and the authorities' quick trip to Hinrich's apartment--I hadn't given much though to the aspect you just mentioned.

At 10/15/2005 7:31 AM, Blogger Baron Bodissey said...

Always on Watch --

I think the denial is deliberate and systemic. I have been in email contact with a source, and I will probably be posting on this material, but here's a snip from the most recent email (with proper nouns redacted to protect identity):

By the way we’ve just had a new Homeland Security chief appointed who is retired from the FBI, terrorism expert, etc. and I hope he will be better than the last one. Gen. [Redacted] told our State legistlators at a committee meeting that there was no sign of al qaeda in our state and things were just hunky dory. After seeing a blurb in our newspaper about this, I e-mailed the smartest of our state senators who happened to be head of the of the committee and told him that was a crock and I could prove it. Showed him my paper files and led through the [redacted] connections right to our city’s doorstep and he asked me to take my files to Homeland Security. HLS agreed with my conclusions and I asked them why they told the public a lie. They didn’t want to worry anyone or stir anything up they said. I told them they had insulted the intelligence and character of our citizens and they ought to be ashamed. So we’ll see what this new guy does

At 10/15/2005 9:45 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Anything we receive from the government comes at a dear price. I'll take a sense of community any day over the government's involvement.

At 10/15/2005 9:46 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Stay on this! A false sense of security is always more dangerous than the reality.

At 10/16/2005 3:35 PM, Anonymous Felis said...

"I think the denial is deliberate and systemic."
I am sure it is.
I just cannot understand this defeatism.

At 10/16/2005 8:22 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

You said I just cannot understand this defeatism.
When an ideology is sworn to the destruction of our principles and our very society, I, too, cannot understand why anyone wants to step back and let it happen--or worse, denies what is happening.

Have you ever read Paul Sperry's Infiltration? According to Sperry, America is being undermined from within and at high levels. The Baron's comment addresses that matter.

At 10/16/2005 8:25 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

If you have the time, you might want to read the following piece about denial and the media's manipulativeness:

At 10/16/2005 10:29 PM, Anonymous Felis said...

Thanks AOW,
I will (read it).

At 4/17/2007 7:58 PM, Blogger Eyes said...

Thanks for all the info aow!!!! Eyes:>D


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