Saturday, February 04, 2006

Protesting Cartoons

From "Irate Muslims Stage New Protests" :
"In London,...after Friday prayers..., some chanted, 'Jihad! Jihad!' and held up placards that read, 'Learn the lesson from 9/11'...."

41 Comments:

At 2/04/2006 7:38 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Checking to see if comments are working now.

 
At 2/04/2006 10:40 PM, Blogger nanc said...

hey aow - see if mine posts - copy back here if it works - i've not been able to get on many eblog sites this eve (for the last hour or so). autonomist one of my faves and it's down or i am. thanx - nanc

 
At 2/04/2006 10:43 PM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

Blogger is back. It's good to be back!

From my visits to heavily traveled websites, I see a reaction against the Islamic outburst which is healthy. The bizarre and violent reaction of Muslims around the world (including Muslim leaders) shows that the old canard, “it’s only a few,” is nonsense (as the Hamas election also showed.) This is a face of Islam that is mainstream and it’s becoming obvious.

The added insult is the demand that the West impose censorship, i.e. stop being the West. This has added to the outrage that has even gotten many on the left re-thinking their position.

The big disappointment is our press and government. But I’ve talked about that on my blog

 
At 2/05/2006 1:01 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Been having trouble with Blogger and getting into Blogger sites all day. I can't get into Beakerkin's site at all.

It's either a goofy glitch at Blogger or a left-wing conspiracy to try to suppress information.

Either way, the origin of the problem lies within stupidity.

 
At 2/05/2006 1:42 AM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

Lessons from 9/11?!!..and that would beeeeeeeeeee?

 
At 2/05/2006 2:09 AM, Blogger Mike's America said...

The lesson from 9/11, or 7/7 is that we are at war with a hideous and evil enemy that will kill innocent civilians at the drop of a hat, no silly cartoon provocation needed.

Unfortunately, too many people haven't learned that lesson and our enemy is out in the open threatening to teach us again in a more painful way.

Will we wise up before it is too late?

P.S. BLOGGER BOOGER SUCKS!

 
At 2/05/2006 5:27 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Learn the lesson of 9/11?

OK.

The lesson of 9/11 is that Muslims see terrorism as a legitimate means of diplomacy.

I will now turn over the mike to any "moderate" Muslim in the audience that will correct me if I'm wrong about what the lesson of 9/11 is.

 
At 2/05/2006 7:23 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Hey, Blogger is back! The problem started shortly after 9:00 P.M. on February 3, the day which the worm was set to activate. Starting late on February 3, certain sites were unavailable to me.

I wonder if this Blogger foul-up had anything to do with that Kuma Satra worm? Did that worm get into Blogger? All comments came to me in notification, but they didn't appear on this site (mostly to the previous article, which I had to post several times before it would stay up, and that previous article was cited on the WaPo's web page). And my class's homework site, which doesn't accept comments for obvious reasons, had the same problem. I couldn't even get postings to stay in Blogger as drafts.

I took all possible precautions to prevent the worm from getting into my computer. Did Blogger?

So maybe Beamish is right: the origin of the problem lies within stupidity.

 
At 2/05/2006 8:02 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

"The lesson from 9/11"? It's the same lesson as that of the cartoons. It's the Islamic way only, and those who don't fall into line will be attacked, terrorized, subjugated, slaughtered. Dar al-Islam must be established, and a state of Islamic holy war exists until the goal is accomplished.

But spectacular attacks are not the only means to reach the goal. CAIR has stated that quiet methods are also being used. The Council on Islamic Education works very hard to change how Islam is presented in our educational institutions, and other Islamic organizations also do the same--without flying planes into buildings. Islamification of the Western world proceeds apace, and both the Western and Muslim reaction to the cartoons proves my point.

The burning of the Danish Embassy clearly illustrates that Islam doesn't separate governement from religion. As Jason has said many times, Islam is a geopolitical ideology.

Well, I learned my own lesson from 9/11. I started my research on Islam on 9/12/01, but didn't feel knowledgeable enough to say much until the summer of 2005. Two books opened my eyes: Anis Shorrosh's Islam Revealed and Serge Trifkovic's The Sword of the Prophet. Now available is Mark Alexander's A New Dark Age is Dawning: Essays on Islam. Both Mr. Alexander's book and web site are a good place to start for those who are just getting started on their own research--or to help reinforce what is becoming more and more apparent. Jason's site also has important articles and essays; "Is Islam Evil?" was one of his first articles I read on the web. It's an important piece.

I've learned my lesson from 9/11, all right. And I won't keep quiet about it. The way for us to combat the enemy is to educate others. If we don't, the msm will see to it that Islamification gains more and more ground. The Truth Project is an information site, and Infidel Bloggers Alliance has current information from bloggers from all over the world. And Pedestrian Infidel has information from an apostate who recently started blogging. There are numerous other sites as well.

 
At 2/05/2006 11:21 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Always

I have visited some of these other sites as my blog has been down . We have to do a better job helping out our friends with troll infestations. Mark had a nasty one from Indonesia and Mike had a generic untalented Commie.

If you are being trolled fight back
and do not be afraid to ask for help. My sight was infested for months and my best friend in the blogosphere did pitched battle for months. As soon as Jason showed up my trolls fled for the hills. Libertarians scare the pants off Communists.

Lets fight the good fight and help our peers under siege. We fight together or hang seperate.

In rare cases we should even mass invade the blogs of persistant trolls.

However it is refreshing to see others deal with the problem. Jason even won an award from an Islamic site . They obviously have yet to read Mr Beamish. I didn't even get a single vote and I am still insulted.

 
At 2/05/2006 12:22 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

1.3 billion muslims. I'm still waiting for the "moderate" "majority" to come forward and generate 10s of THOUSANDS of news stories with protests, marches, and interviews about how pissed they are that a "radical few" have "hijacked" Islam and are murdering innocent infidel children.

Still waiting.

When I was calling for deportations and the banning of Islam a few months ago, I was roundly criticized by leftists and even righties. Where are all the apologists now?

Just hoping (like the media) that it will all go away so we can go back to claiming Bush is Hitler?

RUBES.

Islam = hate, murder and violence. JIHAD is a sacred duty. We infidels are in Dar al Harb (the Lands of War). The Quran commands killing infidels in the Lands of War, including little children. Islam is a political force that merges rule with religion.

We in the West have taken great pains to say that we are not at war with a religion. BAHAHAHA! Our enemy has never said this war was anything else!

When will the rubes throw off the PC blinders? We have 2 wars to fight: the war against political correctness and Islam. We cannot win against Islam until we win against PC.

That is why Islam is winning.

 
At 2/05/2006 1:58 PM, Blogger David Schantz said...

When protestors destroy property they become rioters and should be treated as such.

God Bless America, God Save The Republic.

 
At 2/05/2006 2:00 PM, Blogger Bassizzzt said...

Our lessons from 9/11 should have been this:

1. Bury their dead in pigskins
2. Kidnap their women and children, force them into education programs that Islam itself is satanic
3. Bush should have learned a long time ago not to listen to the ilk of David Forte
4. TAKE NO PRISONERS; KILL THEM ALL
5. Make amendments so that we can govern and keep an eye on all mosques

Many more lessons to be learned.

 
At 2/05/2006 4:40 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Mussolini,

If it's any consolation, my views against Muslims were roundly criticized before 9/11 (long before I was blogging)

You'd be surprised how many people in my circle of real life friends now respect my view, and are also upset with the PC eggshell walking approach.

But, when I was a kid, a guy from my church was murdered with the Marines in Beirut. Another friend of mine was injured in a bus bombing outside Jerusalem. The USS Cole had just relieved my oldest brother's destroyer in Yemen when it was bombed.

Islam has been at war with me for a long, long time.

 
At 2/05/2006 4:44 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

And yes, I saw the news that the USS Cole bombing "mastermind" had "escaped" from prison.

Now he's hiding within a population of people who hate Jews and Americans, where he's camouflaged.

Grrr.

Shock and awe, we'll know it when the military is allowed to use it.

 
At 2/05/2006 5:08 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
We in the West have taken great pains to say that we are not at war with a religion. BAHAHAHA! Our enemy has never said this war was anything else!

That is so, and what you've mentioned is indeed one of the lessons from 9/11.

And now is the time for the moderates to step forth and "reclaim" their "noble faith." Now is the time to prove that Islam and democracy are compatible. Of course, the problem is that MTP is revered across the spectrum of Islam. And from some of the placards these protesters are carrying, beheading is the punishment for insulting MTP; the Danish cartoonists are now in hiding for their own protection.

We are seeing, with the cartoon jihad, the true implications of shari'a law.

 
At 2/05/2006 5:53 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

From Ibn Warraq, who left Islam:

Best-selling author and Muslim dissident Ibn Warraq argues that freedom of expression is our western heritage and we must defend it against attacks from totalitarian societies. If the west does not stand in solidarity with the Danish, he argues, then the Islamization of Europe will have begun in earnest.

The great British philosopher John Stuart Mill wrote in On Liberty, "Strange it is, that men should admit the validity of the arguments for free discussion, but object to their being 'pushed to an extreme'; not seeing that unless the reasons are good for an extreme case, they are not good for any case."

The cartoons in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten raise the most important question of our times: freedom of expression. Are we in the west going to cave into pressure from societies with a medieval mindset, or are we going to defend our most precious freedom --freedom of expression, a freedom for which thousands of people sacrificed their lives?...

This raises another more general problem: the inability of the West to defend itself intellectually and culturally....

On the world stage, should we really apologize for Dante, Shakespeare, and Goethe? Mozart, Beethoven and Bach? Rembrandt, Vermeer, Van Gogh, Breughel, Ter Borch? Galileo, Huygens, Copernicus, Newton and
Darwin? Penicillin and computers? The Olympic Games and Football? Human rights and parliamentary democracy? The west is the source of the liberating ideas of individual liberty, political democracy, the rule of law, human rights and cultural freedom. It is the west that has raised the status of women, fought against slavery, defended freedom of enquiry, expression and conscience....


There is more to the article which I've excerpted above. Read it all!

 
At 2/05/2006 7:32 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

Have you seen their posters?

 
At 2/05/2006 7:39 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Felis,
Yes, I've seen the posters on various sites. Those posters make a real statement, don't they?

 
At 2/05/2006 8:17 PM, Anonymous Old Soldier said...

If Islam does not start policing their own and speaking out against such radical voilence, they may be allowing the 21st Century Crusades to be at hand. I am not opposed to Muslims; but I will biterly oppose (to the death) a religion that demands I convert to their beliefs.

 
At 2/05/2006 8:36 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Old Soldier,
I'm with you--anyone can practice his beliefs so long as he allows me room to practice mine.

I keep hoping to see Islam "police their own," but I don't see much evidence of that happening.

Welcome back, BTW!

 
At 2/05/2006 9:32 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak,
You're right. Sometimes we need to unite against trolls.

 
At 2/05/2006 11:53 PM, Blogger City Troll said...

I could resent that statement!!

 
At 2/05/2006 11:56 PM, Blogger City Troll said...

So far the Muslim community world wide has not shown any form of restraining their more venomous members in the slightest. They're allowing the "Muslim Inquisition" to represent them and their religion.

 
At 2/06/2006 12:02 AM, Blogger City Troll said...

Beak
"In rare cases we should even mass invade the blogs of persistant trolls."

What pisses me off is that those types of trolls rarely if ever have their own blog.

 
At 2/06/2006 12:27 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Our politicians don't want to fight this war.

Sure, Bush is doing more than any other that might come to mind, but even he refuses to name the enemy and admit this is a clash of civilizations.

Our politicians want to take the lazy, comfortable approach... the one with the most money and the least media-ridicule.

America won't fight this war. We're piddling around the edges while Islam advances.

Not a good sign.

Many, many innocent people are going to die. This cartoon thing will die down a bit, but the muslims can see from it how we just sit back and let it happen. The violence will get worse - just like birth pangs.

 
At 2/06/2006 12:43 AM, Blogger City Troll said...

The violence must get worse before the masses of people can come to grips with the scope of what were fighting.

 
At 2/06/2006 12:48 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Ethnic warfare will break out in Europe before America.

 
At 2/06/2006 2:23 AM, Blogger MissingLink said...

"Those posters make a real statement, don't they?"

Yep.
Why do I get this itchy sensation around my neck??

 
At 2/06/2006 3:53 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

City Troll

Ducky is a rare exception and most of these clowns have blogs. If the Duck came here or to my site without the vulgarity and said I disagree due to X no problem.

A person becomes a pest once they start with the comedic labels like
Kahanist for me on a blog that seldom even discusses Israel.

AOW

I was joking to someone who accused me of creating special posts for Bad Eagle of trying to pitch their site. If I wanted higher numbers I would try to create special material for this site.

The post on Bad Eagle was a cutting room outake that was viewed as more appropriate for that site. Some day I will even return to my comedic roots. However, the time isn't right yet.

 
At 2/06/2006 6:55 AM, Blogger Bassizzzt said...

"Ethnic warfare will break out in Europe before America."

I agree - but it already has. Cases in point - Kosovo and Macedonia. Greece as well. Muslim squatters everywhere, including fundamentalist ones from Islamic reactionaries.

 
At 2/06/2006 11:01 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

The situation is going to get worse precisely because our political leaders are not taking a strong enough stand. As the percentage of Muslims in Western nations reaches critical mass, demonstrators get bolder and start carrying signs which clearly delineate the battle lines.

Now, maybe the cartoon jihad will fizzle out (In the words of FNC just a few minutes ago: "Put the lid back on"), but the problem will still be simmering below the surface, only to erupt again.

Islamists are waging a holy war and have so declared. One aspect of that war is spectacular attacks, another is economic jihad, and yet another is Islamification of Western society. The United States may not be waging a war against all of Islam (a holy war), but the fact is that the enemy, who made the declaration very dramatically on 9/11, sees this conflict as a holy war.

The very existence of those who don't adhere to Islam is offensive and blasphemous to much of what is written in the Koran. Let Muslims cry, "It's not Islamic!" and hordes of them take to the streets and start burning embassies; others, such as Saudi, break off diplomatic relations with Denmark until Denmark apologizes for what appeared in a newspaper. That is surreal to me--except for the fact that I understand that Islam doesn't separate government from individual freedoms, precisely because shari'a law doesn't recognize that distinction. The rule of law, as Western society knows it, is just now in their vocabulary because everything has to be measured LITERALLY against the harsh standards of the Koran.

Can you imagine the outcry if a Western nation broke off diplomatic relations with a Muslim nation over a bunch of newspaper caricatures?

The West is now being held hostage by a bunch of cartoons!

Just how far do I go so as not to offend Muslims? Start wearing a hijab, absolutely required by several Muslim sects? Good grief!

 
At 2/06/2006 11:04 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beamish: Ethnic warfare will break out in Europe before America.

As Bassizzzt, that warfare has already broken out in Europe. Much of it is on a small scale--so far. That will change for the worse, as City Troll pointed out.

 
At 2/06/2006 8:46 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

The violence will have a harder time coming here because the muslims just don't have the numbers.

I know many conservatives claim CAIR lies about the population numbers, but the cons are just as guilty as CAIR for exagerrating. According to some nitwit cons, muslims only total a million or two.

Well, those nitwits have never been to California, then, because just southern Cal has all of that, if not more.

Still, if they comprise 6-7% of the population like I think they do, those numbers are still too small. We have some time before things get bad.

Where they can hurt us with 6% is when they convince the lefties to "include" and "respect" them by allowing voluntary sharia law. Half the country is deluded enough (as lefties go) to believe that such a gesture would be the penultimate kumbaya that unites humanity in one big group hug of socialism and secular orgasm. Just imagine swelling music in the background and you'll have the lefty picture about right.

That means better than half of the USA, right now, would vote in sharia law.

Violence, no. Conquest of our democratic system by using it against us, yes. THEN the violence comes. After the 1000th gang-rape of a 5-year old while the muslims scream "allahu akbar", the mass of "right wing radical" Americans will grab their guns and it will be ugly.

Our own government will fight against us.

Unless, of course, we wise up sooner and deport their child-raping asses.

 
At 2/07/2006 1:23 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Our own government will fight against us.

Will?

 
At 2/07/2006 6:51 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
I'm sure that the Muslim population is quite high in Southern CA. And I'm sure that you've heard about the Muslim population in the Detroit area. According to Oriana Fallaci, one can sort of assess how high the percentage is by seeing how many Hal-Al markets are in a particular region.

Still, if they comprise 6-7% of the population like I think they do, those numbers are still too small. We have some time before things get bad.

Where they can hurt us with 6% is when they convince the lefties to "include" and "respect" them by allowing voluntary sharia law. Half the country is deluded enough (as lefties go) to believe that such a gesture would be the penultimate kumbaya that unites humanity...


Multiculturalism, promoted throughout our educational institutions, will see to it that all of us "respect" shari'a law. Never mind that shari'a law doesn't have room for the practice of Western law.

better than half of the USA, right now, would vote in sharia law.

You think so? That's a chilling thought!

 
At 2/07/2006 12:22 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

AOW, my area of East Boston is pretty small but we have two Hal-al markets.

I hope mustang will come up and defend my freedoms.

 
At 2/07/2006 5:17 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Hey, Mr Ducky, not implying any insult here, but would you, as a lefty, vote to "respect" and "include" islam by allowing voluntary sharia law for themselves?

If Islam takes over, what a killing we could make by selling pork bellies short! Samwich isn't around lately, but he'd laugh at the joke.

 
At 2/08/2006 9:43 AM, Blogger Ouzian said...

Islam take over??


I cant help but laugh at imagining an American about to put the piece of pork in mouth when a Muslim snatches it to say "Haram!"...

 
At 2/08/2006 5:49 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Y'all are over thinking this. How many mosques, "masjids," Islamic centers, etc. appear in your local phone book?

St. Louis, MO and metropolitan area: 5 at my last count.

 
At 2/08/2006 6:20 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Butte: 0
Bozeman: 1 Student Association
Missoula: 1 Student Association
Billings: 1 "Islamic Center"

Otherwise, Montana is just a bunch of "whitebread" gun nuts in "flyover" country.

 

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