Monday, June 26, 2006

Vigil At The King Fahd Mosque

(Previous information here)



The picture on your left was taken on Friday, June 23, 2006, outside the Culver City Mosque in Culver City, California. The caption reads "Lighting candles for our two tortured soldiers, Pfc. Kristian Menchaca, 23, of Houston and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker, 25, of Madras, Ore."

About forty people showed up to participate in the vigil. Not a single Muslim participated in the vigil!

The report provides the following information about the vigil:
"All of the middle easterners you see in the pictures below are Coptic Christians from Egypy [sic], for the entire evening not ONE Muslim would join us in condemning the tortures of our two soldiers, and in fact some of them yelled out that the two soldiers deserved 'what they had coming to them' because they were 'in a Muslim land.'"
See more pictures, and read the full report from Sons of Washington here.

35 Comments:

At 6/26/2006 7:54 AM, Blogger The Merry Widow said...

Someone did their work, good pictures too! I'm glad that some Americans are standing up and being counted! the closest enclave is about 10 miles away on the mainland. There is a private engineering college there and they are taking over. There were a couple of families beachside, but they have left, used to see 2 different women in hijabs and long coats, in August in Fla., made me sweat just looking at them! Apparently they have a worship center near the college, so they left! We have a nice synagogue near us with a very nice rabbi, that doesn't make me nervous at all! They even have a huge menorah they put out at Haunnaka with large light bulbs! In fact next month is their version of VBS. And, funny thing, they have an American flag outside the building. Hmmmm, guess they see them selves as Americans.
Good morning and G*D bless!

tmw
P.S. AoW, have the rains been hitting you? I'm not hearing good things, 5' puddles in Maryland, not good!

 
At 6/26/2006 8:01 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

TMW,
We had about 5 inches of rain in an hour last night. Our basement seeped but didn't flood. Today various roads are closed, and some government buildings are closed--IRS and National Archives, just to name two. Some areas of the the subway are also flooded out.

Flash floods all over the D.C. area! The warnings for flash floods have been extended through tomorrow night (Tuesday).

The last time I can remember this much trouble with water was during Hurricane Isabel. But the rains we're having now are part of slow-moving fronts, so we're in for a long haul.

So far, we haven't lost power in my neighborhood, but if we do, we're in trouble. The sump pump is what keeps all of our basements viable.

 
At 6/26/2006 8:02 AM, Blogger kev said...

The so-called anti-muslim accusations are getting very boring. I think many Americans would feel a lot better if we'd hear SOMETHING from them, condemning this barbarism, butchering, roadside bombs, suicide bombs, etc. If they're not talking against it, are we to assume they're NOT against it?

 
At 6/26/2006 9:12 AM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

this should b on the front page citing the fact that no Musssssssslims were there....how telling!..but we knew that already didnt we...

 
At 6/26/2006 9:17 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Why do we keep on with this fantasy that there are "moderate" muslims?

Have we sunk so far in our politically correct delusions that "moderate" now classifies as a muslim who doesn't blow shit up and murder kids, but doesn't condemn the acts?

Just dial 1-800-PSYCHO to understand the West's fascination with excusing all violent behavior towards it.

 
At 6/26/2006 9:24 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

ANNOUNCEMENT

My Internet connection is running slowly and may be interrupted because of the torrential rains and the flash floods.

I will moderate comments and respond to your comments as my connection and schedule allow.

If the power goes out, my husband and I will be bailing the basement. We rely on the sump pump!

 
At 6/26/2006 9:49 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

In the words of Andrew Whitehead of Anti-CAIR:

...The soldier’s bodies were later recovered and displayed evidence of brutal torture before death.

In the past, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR); an Islamic terrorist supporting hate group, has run to the nearest microphone to proclaim to the world that Islam does not condone the mutilation of bodies, even the bodies of infidels.

This time? Silence....


Meanwhile, CAIR is quite busy proclaiming that the seven terrorists recently arrested in Miami are not Muslims, according to this from CAIR's web site.

 
At 6/26/2006 10:00 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Two soldiers are killed in a war that we initiated. Iraq has been laid waste and tens of thousand people killed.

The unconfirmed quote is a pretty good indication that this was not a group that had any intention of doing anything except condemning islam itself and then becoming surprised that no muslims wished to join.

I am also not surprised that some of you, particularly AOW, fell for the Miami "terror ring" story. Those guys couldn't have boosted a 7-11 and you are crediting them with the capability of bombing the Sears tower. Sheer silliness but it does demonstrate the level of your irrational fear.

 
At 6/26/2006 10:07 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
I never posted a blog article about the arrests in Miami. I may have posted a comment or two, but not much except for some links to news articles (in comments section).

As to "unconfirmed quote," I haven't yet checked the CA media, so I guess that the quote may indeed by "unconfirmed" be your standards.

The link in this blog article has quite a bit of easily-confirmed info about the King Fahd Mosque itself. Of course, the imam now is not the same imam as on 9/11.

 
At 6/26/2006 10:38 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

"Meanwhile, CAIR is quite busy proclaiming that the seven terrorists recently arrested in Miami are not Muslims, according to this from CAIR's web site."

That is a quote from your post, AOW.

Now CNN is saying one member said they practiced witchcraft. One member is called Levi-El, suggesting he might be associated with the Black Hebrew movement or an offshoot.

Now a relative of one of the members, Phanor, said that they wore black uniforms with a star of David arm patch and considered themselves of the Order of Melchizadek.

I don't suggest that any of this is particularly interesting but it is pretty clear that these guys were loony, didn't possess firearms, didn't possess explosives and were arrested only to stir up the irrational fears of the right wing base.

 
At 6/26/2006 10:42 AM, Blogger cube said...

I know what you mean. We also have to worry about the non-Moslems in America whose actions helps the terrorists, too.

 
At 6/26/2006 10:53 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
That is a quote from a comment, but I won't split feathers over it.

Perhaps those fellows in Miami were looney and some kind of cult. Whatever the cult (a mishmash of voodoo and whatever else, for all I know, but Islam seems to have been a part of it), I think these fellows latched onto some jihadist verses in the Koran.

I suspect that they may have been arrested for a reason other than what you mentioned. It appears from all reports I've read, including the mainstream media, that this group was desirous of making contact with Al-Qaeda.

Part of my point which I didn't make clear (I'm working between storms and flood-control here) is that CAIR rushes in to proclaim that those fellows in Miami are not true Muslims, but yet CAIR doesn't condemn the brutal slaughter of those two American servicemen. I would think that those brutal slayings would do more "damage" to the image of Islam than a few looneys (your term) in Miami.

 
At 6/26/2006 11:01 AM, Blogger The Merry Widow said...

Hardly afraid, Ducky, I'm closer than you are. Like only 200 miles away from the action. I think my sources are a little better informed. I'm more concerned about the illegal aliens assaulting girls and murders amoungst themselves!
If the illegals were dealt with, I would only have to be concerned about the drug addicted surfers, but they don't really bother me, large noisy dog! Irrational fears? I LOL!

tmw
P.S. Hopefully G*D will have some mercy on your back and keep the power on!

 
At 6/26/2006 11:06 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

TMW,
That sump pump worries me, but I cook with bottled gas. The stove always works!

 
At 6/26/2006 11:21 AM, Anonymous Debbie said...

This is really something. The pictures are great, I have them all. But Typepad is not conducive to adding pictures, at least more than one picture to a post. it's not worth the time for me to struggle with it. Of course if I would fork out some money to upgrade it would be easier. cheap cheap cheap, ha

I'll send you a trackback and list you as 'also posting', but remember, it's Typepad, you may not get it.

 
At 6/26/2006 12:10 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Those douchebags were arrested because undercover FBI agents posing as Islamic radicals trolled through the Muslim community and got recruits of a conspiracy from the effort.

Now, if you're not leftist, your mind moves on to the logical:

If the FBI can recruit wannabe terrorists in American Muslim communities by posing as radical Muslims, what happens when real Muslim radicals come to town?

 
At 6/26/2006 1:17 PM, Blogger Old Soldier said...

”Two soldiers are killed in a war that we initiated. Iraq has been laid waste and tens of thousand people killed.”

Ducky, is that all the compassion you can muster for those two soldiers (and their families)? They believed they were on the front line protecting our way of life and promoting freedom. That “our” includes you. Regardless of whether you personally and specifically asked them to or not is wholly and completely irrelevant – they believed in their mission enough to die. They were barbarically slaughtered defending us. To argue otherwise would be petty and insincere. To simply say they were killed without offering condemnation for their killers is quite chilling.

When Abu Ghraib hit the news, there was outrage and an outcry from the left because we were not following the accords of the Geneva Convention. The liberals were absolutely indignant about the situation. Where is that same indignation, only this time directed toward the barbarism of the radical Muslims?

The gathering in front of the mosque was a vigil for the two barbarically slain soldiers. Why in front of that mosque? Because this particular mosque had been connected to terrorist support and teaching the way of radical Islam. The silence from the Islamic world regarding the means in which PFCs Tucker and Menchaca were defiled is absolutely deafening. So is the silence from our own liberals.

 
At 6/26/2006 1:21 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

duck:

my biggest issue with your last comment was this part:

"and were arrested only to stir up the irrational fears of the right wing base."

What exactly is irrational about not wanting to be blown up by some moron with a fanatical death wish?

 
At 6/26/2006 2:46 PM, Blogger kev said...

duck, because you're always so on top of things, I'm sure what you MEANT to say was "two soldiers were brutally tortured and executed by a pack of cowardly, rabid animals in a war we initiated." Now, we can go from there. And might I offer a suggestion regarding the Miami douchebags? Why don't we wait to see what evidence is produced in order to prevent your looking like an uninformed apologist for terrorists and their homegrown helpers? Never mind, for a second I forgot who I was talking to.

 
At 6/26/2006 4:21 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

old soldier, why aren't you out front at the pentagon with g and mustang protesting the massacre at Haditha?

All the ridiculously uneccesary loss of life in Iraq is a concern. And bo, they were not defending us. Unfortunately they have been sent to Iraq as part of an illegal invasion and occupation.

Do you have any idea who kidnapped the two? No, you don't. it could have been common thug kidnappers. Have you been keeping abreast of how many bodies are turning up tortured and beheaded in iraq, daily? Are you going to tell me that many of those weren't the result of death squad activity supervised by Negroponte?


g and kev, once again, it ain't hard to grasp. The crew they arrested in Miami couldn't have knocked over a 7-11. Blow up the Sears Tower? Are you insane?

 
At 6/26/2006 5:15 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

The crew they arrested in Miami couldn't have knocked over a 7-11. Blow up the Sears Tower? Are you insane?

19 guys with boxcutters...

Ducky, have you ever provided credible evidence that you think about what you're about to type?

 
At 6/26/2006 6:04 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

Very sad occasion especially because of the way the two soldiers were killed.
Muslims celebrated somwhere else andthis is why they coudn't attend this vigil.

 
At 6/26/2006 7:42 PM, Blogger Old Soldier said...

Ducky, you have just personified the very reason I could never embrace liberalism. You couldn’t bring yourself to exhibit the slightest bit of compassion for the servicemen and their families or outrage for the barbaric brutality of their executioners, yet you challenge me about Haditha. Should we just “frog march” those Marines out and shoot them in public? You know, dispense with the inconvenience of an investigation and trial (that might possibly clear them or at least convict them judicially). Hell, their guilty in the court of liberal opinion – what else matters?

”Do you have any idea who kidnapped the two? No, you don't. it could have been common thug kidnappers.”

Abu Hamza al-Muhajer or Abu Ayyub al-Masri (which ever name you desire) has proudly (sadistically, by my measure) taken credit for the slaughter of Tucker and Menchaca. Does that adequately answer your attempt at distraction?

Ducky, you may be extremely knowledgeable (I have no idea) but you are solely lacking in wisdom and your humanity is in grave danger. When you refuse to utter one simple measure of disgust for what those Islamofascists did and you continue to hammer liberal talking points (illegal war, tortured and beheaded Iraqis and Negroponte death squads [where the Hell did that one come from?]) you only serve to dispel the notion of compassion belonging to liberals (or as we conservatives like to say, bleeding heart liberals). Liberals in general display more passion and compassion for convicted murderers about to be put to death than for the young people who serve in the military. Your lack of humanity in this circumstance sir purely disgusts me.

 
At 6/26/2006 10:35 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

"All of the middle easterners you see in the pictures below are Coptic Christians from Egypy [sic], for the entire evening not ONE Muslim would join us in condemning the tortures of our two soldiers, and in fact some of them yelled out that the two soldiers deserved 'what they had coming to them' because they were 'in a Muslim land.'"

Huh. Just like Ducky.

 
At 6/27/2006 6:21 AM, Blogger David Schantz said...

God Bless our troops and be with the families of the fallen.

God Bless America, God Save The Republic.

 
At 6/27/2006 9:50 AM, Blogger Gayle said...

Old Soldier, you have definitely made some very good points in this comment thread. Too bad Ducky won't listen to reason because "reason" isn't one of his skills.

But I have to say that the only demonstrations seem to be put on by the left. I wish conservatives would get together by the thousands and march on Washington in support of our government and in protest of liberal newspapers, Hollywood weirdos, and other so-called Americans trashing and betraying this country!

 
At 6/27/2006 9:59 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

old soldier, you are irony challenged, but that is a common problem on the right.

Embrace what ever you like but start out with intellectual honesty. That's my suggestion. Nothing in the article had anything to do with helping the survivors of the two service men or displaying compassion. It was simply writing of a cheap stunt by a group of FREEPERS.

My humanity is in danger and you ask where the idea of Negroponte death squads comes from? It comes from the death squads he was running in Central America when St. Ronald Raygun was presiding over the deaths of up to a million people. You are so blinded by jingoism that you don't remember Negroponte in Honduras?

All the misery in the world and you expect it to take time out for two people. Won't happen, old soldier and if you think it does then you better look at your own bleeding heart.

I make allowances for the military because they have lived in a sealed world cut of from reality, indoctrinated by aphorisms and shielded from any type of free expression but I would like to know where you get standing to decide what deserves sympathy, what is true and exactly what do you think you have protected?

If you would like to drop the emotion and use your mind we can discuss this.

 
At 6/27/2006 10:09 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

NOTICE

I'll be unavailable to moderate comments for a portion of today. In a short while, I'm heading out for a massage for my achin' back. Until I depart, I'll be moderating here.

I'll post comments when I return this afternoon--if we don't have a power outage. If the sump pump fails, I'll be singing Johnny Cash's "Five Feet High and Rising"! **sigh**

 
At 6/27/2006 11:52 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Ducky,

First, I must tell you that I find your bizarre faith in the intellectual honesty of leftists to be historically unwarranted. Simply put, no leftist in the entire tapestry of human existence, yourself included, has ever demonstrated the skill set required for rational thought.

Regardless of the torment your leftist heart feels over Negroponte's mythological role in unseating the brutal Communist Sandinistas from power in the 1980s, the "insurgents" in Iraq, mostly remnants of the Saddam Fedayeen combined with Arab volunteers funneled in through the cultivated links between Iraq's former intelligence services and international terrorists, quite regularly kidnap and behead people, much as they did before the 2003 invasion.

Your "death squads" are Saddam's cronies. Leftover fascists from when Iraq was run by a Stalin wannabe.

Given the state of decay your intellect is in (as evidenced by your absurd insinuations that any form of leftism could possibly offer valid and viable ideas), I don't believe historically established facts will ever comprise a foundation in your ::cough:: "thinking," but I counter you for the enrichment of others.

 
At 6/27/2006 1:23 PM, Blogger Old Soldier said...

”Nothing in the article had anything to do with helping the survivors of the two service men or displaying compassion. It was simply writing of a cheap stunt by a group of FREEPERS.”

Ducky, since you were most likely not in attendance at the event forgive my believing the gatherer’s account versus yours.

I’ll readily admit that there was emotion behind my prior comments. I still feel a bond with my brothers at arms. When people who raise Cain over Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, Haditha and the like remain blatantly silent over the barbaric treatment of two of our soldiers, I get fired up. I cannot fathom an ideology that confers compassion and bestows undeserved rights upon terrorists yet exhibits condemnation and contempt for our own people. And with your help, I’ve concluded that I don’t want to understand them, either.

Your condescension toward the military is quite unnecessary; soldiers have a much clearer picture of what the current situation is and what is required of them than you will ever possess. The military is not about individual aphoristic indoctrination nor is it about suppressing free expression. That is a straw man of your creation. How about it, Ducky, ever place your life on the line defending something you believed in with all your being? Ever have it challenged and thrown back in your face like you are attempting to do with me?

I stand upon the honor of those who came before me and those who come after me in asking for some compassion, respect, outrage, or some emotion of some sort in regards to Abu Ayyub al-Masri’s actions. That’s where I come from, sir. Do you believe Islam will confine al-Masri, conduct an investigation and conduct a trial as our military does when crimes are committed? Your staunch refusal to mention that al-Masri’s actions were even untoward speaks volumes about your beliefs and character. No more words on your part are necessary.

 
At 6/27/2006 2:19 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Old Soldier,
When people who raise Cain over Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, Haditha and the like remain blatantly silent over the barbaric treatment of two of our soldiers, I get fired up.

I'm with you on that!

The barbaric slaughter and mutilation of those two soldiers Pfc. Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker are sickening. Does not outcry over such an event go back at least to the time of Homer's Iliad? Don't the families of those two young men deserve compassion over their grievous loss? Shouldn't a bond of humanity cause all of us to unite in outcry? I guess not, and that lack of bond speaks to the low condition to which some have sunk--what amounts to a tribal mentality. It's ugly.

 
At 6/27/2006 2:28 PM, Blogger Mike's America said...

AOW: Things drying out up there yet?

Thanks for sharing this story. It's PAST time that we raise the public issue of Muslim accountability with vigils and protests.

 
At 6/27/2006 2:44 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mike,
It is raining right now--not a downpour. But any more rain is now a problem as the ground is completely saturated. The newspaper dam in my basement becomes more useless by the moment.

If the winds come in from that storm off the NC coast, trees are going to tumble.

I've never been a march-in-the-streets type, but I favor vigils outside mosques if those vigils will encourage accountability. However, I don't find any msm coverage of the vigil/protest in Culver City.

 
At 6/27/2006 7:24 PM, Blogger kevin said...

I linked this one here

 
At 6/27/2006 9:28 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Kevin,
Thanks!

 

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