Monday, July 17, 2006

The World Gone Mad & Why We Can't "Understand"

Pim's Ghost has written an excellent essay which puts into words many of the same thoughts I've been having since reading Patai's The Arab Mind. Below is Pim's Ghost's essay in its entirety, including the graphic:

During a debate in the film "Aliens", Sigourny Weaver's character 'Ripley' turns and sardonically asks the groups, "Did IQs drop sharply while I was away?" I've always liked that quote. I haven't had the luxury of being frozen for half a century, but I have been able to watch world leaders take a major nose-dive when it comes to intelligent discourse in my relatively short lifetime. Even worse, though I was not alive during the World Wars, I have studied them and mourn the loss of resolve and the rise of relativism which has become a clamp on thought in the West. First in academia and then into the realm of politics, the world has seemingly lost its collective mind when it comes to international affairs. As is plain in almost every news report about the war beginning (and make no mistake, this IS war) now underway against Israel, the response by the rest of the world just doesn't make sense to any rational person. In fact, had anyone just woken up from a 50-some-odd year sci-fi "freeze", they'd be quite out of sorts and probably would start screaming right about now. If they hadn't started screaming for sanity already.

We're all familiar with the cries against Israel's use of "disproportionate response" of force.. This is war. Countries do not win wars by using an "equal response of force". The very idea makes no sense whatsoever. Europeans, with their leaders currently leadding the call for this idea, certainly didn't play at war against the Nazis. It was in fact an Allied "disproportionate response" to the attacks of both Germany and Japan that ended the war and brought about peace, even to the countries who started the trouble. I realize that this absurdity is being covered already by anyone with a keyboard, so I'll just leave this brilliant exchange of quotes from

"The European Union is greatly concerned about the disproportionate use of force by Israel in Lebanon in response to attacks by Hezbollah on Israel," according to a statement issued by Finland which holds the EU's rotating presidency. "The presidency deplores the loss of civilian lives and the destruction of civilian infrastructure. The imposition of an air and sea blockade on Lebanon cannot be justified."

"The government of Israel is greatly concerned about the disproportionate use of one-sided language by the new European Union presidency concerning the situation in Lebanon," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said in response to the statement."

The one thing that has really grabbed my attention, in both the press and in comments sections on YouTube and forums I frequent, is the COMPLETE blame that has been foisted upon Israel in both this and pretty much any other situation regarding terrorism, problems in the Arab world, the economy, 9/11, etc. Somehow this small island of relative normalcy and its blend of Western and regional society is to blame for it all. Certainly the Arab world would have us believe such nonsense. They've been begging the West to understand their sense of humiliation and despair over that massive land grab by the Israelis in the midst of their stagnant little world. The problem is, we just cannot ever understand this "humiliation". It isn't in us as a culture, even as a divided one that the West may now be.

First of all, claims are growing regarding the fact that most Israelis aren't native to the region, and therefore don't belong there. Aside from this claim being absurd, this was a hated group of people in diaspora. They decided to end the diaspora, to the screams and futile military attacks of certain Arab nations. Claim # two: the Holocaust never happened, so the reasoning by Jews to resettle after World War II in Israel is unfounded. I, of course, find this claim unfounded and address it only because it is believed by Iran PM Ahmadinejad, who is now planning and scheming to bring about the very holocaust that he denied happened earlier. In this mindset, no Shoah before = SHOAH NOW!! Insanity, but I've already called that nonsense by its right name, though I could use more colorful language.

Israel has every right to exist as it does, the land of "Palestine" was never not populated by Jews, they were just held down as dhimmis as they were in the rest of the Arab world. Sorry Dar al Islam, just like in "al-Andalus", sometimes those you have subjugated decide to fight back. This is a fact of life, get used to it.

Yet the Arab world cannot get past this fact, nor get used to it. Hence, they have been begging the West and anyone else who would listen for years now that they have been ruined by this humiliation and the military and diplomatic support of Israel by the United States. The biggest problem here is that it is almost impossible for Westerners, even those engaged in the most absurd forms of self-flaggelation for being Westerners, to truly understand the Arab sense of "being" and what every Arab grows up understanding as their culture. Furthermore, since Islam is one of the greatest forces of imperialism on the planet, this mindset has been exported well beyond the Arab world, even if non-Arab Muslims don't feel the sting quite as much. The point is, the concepts of "honor" and "shame" mean something indescribably deep in the Arab world that the West will never be able to really get its head around. And not being able to understand it, Westerners have couched the Arab dissenters in Western forms. We have the "freedom fighters" instead of "terrorists". We have the "rage of the impoverished" instead of the fact that most doing the fighting are hardly poor. Any form of Western romanticism will do, as long as it's not that love of "the little guy", which Israel most certainly is, surrounded by a whole region determined to destroy it utterly (see above).

I have read, listened and watched for years now as Westerners try to grab onto this idea. All the while they damn the idea of being "Euro-centric" or "Western-centric", yet their diatribes and even reports of the Arab-Israeli conflict reek of it. Though the Arab world begs us to understand where they are coming from, we never will. Face it, we don't see it as a major point of humilation that any lands we once held have been lost. Some may not love the idea, but I can hardly picture any Brit crying into his tea over the fact that his Kingdom no longer holds India or parts of Africa. This sense of "manhood" and "shame" is alien to us, as alien as "honor killings" and Female Genital Mutilation, which we CAN understand in Western terms to condemn. As for the shame of losing a tiny bit of land to (allah forbid!!) infidels, and Jews at that, we in the West will never be able to understand that kind of fury and shame that cuts to the bone. It isn't in us. So the begging of the Arab world to try and make us understand will continue to fall on deaf ears, just as the self-flaggelating segments of the West will continue to find more Western-friendly words to describe why they do not support Israel. The rationalization in the West will continue along the lines that we can understand according to our non-Arab culture. Namely, in the idea of a "subjugated people", in this case the Palestinians, never mind the fact that they have done more to hold themselves back than any Jews. Even the Arab world holds them back to hold them up as an example to continue the hatred for Israel. They've admitted as much. They NEED the Palestinians to be wretched to justify their desire to demolish Israel. Meanwhile, in the West, people finally started falling for this clever ruse. Being not a very clever ruse at all, this represents the most steep "IQ drop" of the sort I mentioned earlier.

As for the current conflict, I AM cheering for the true underdog here. Every so often, people come up with a new rationalization for their hatred of Jews. At one point the rallying cry was that "they killed Christ". They "caused the Black Death", and were burned for it even as they died of it as well. They "managed to own everything!" (actually, that one's still going....conspiracy nuts will sink to anything). "They are leading to racial impurity" and "Hey! Look what they did to the "Palestinians"? There's always some rational that people think of to excuse their outright hatred and wonton slaughter of Jewish people the world over, and I just listed some of the Western ones, the Muslim ones being long enough for many articles on their own. So here you have it once again, bigotry "rationalized". It's once again just fine to hate Jews and root for their demise! And who said this era wasn't analogous to the 1930s again? Here's my vote for a "disproportionate response" on all fronts, military and in the greater discourse.
Thank you, Pim's Ghost, for writing such an eloquent essay! For several months now, I've been comparing the time in which we're living to the 1930s.


At 7/17/2006 9:23 AM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

Bravo AOW for a magnificent piece!...(I will link to this beauty!!) "and mourn the loss of resolve and the rise of relativism which has become a clamp on thought in the West.">.what can I add but Amen!!!

At 7/17/2006 9:31 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I just love it when Pim's Ghost gets revved up. She hasn't been writing much lately, but is not back to composing essays. I look forward to more of her work.

At 7/17/2006 9:38 AM, Blogger The Merry Widow said...

You go girl! Excellent rant, hits the spot. This kind of writting the public needs to read! I stood up last night at a church business meeting and asked why the men weren't standing up. Where are the "MEN"?
Good morning and G*D bless!


At 7/17/2006 9:52 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nothing like a good rant for starting the morning, huh?

At 7/17/2006 10:03 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

1. Why were kidnappings succesful in two disparate locations by two seperate groups? Has Israeli training gone down the shitter? Have Hamas and Hezbollah developed an integrated command and control?

2. Israeli ship electronics are considered first rate. Should we be concerned that an Iranian missile was able to easily take out one of their more sophisticated ships. Were the electronics off because the Israelis misread Hezbollah's capability and got over confident?

3. The Prime Minister is not a seasoned military man. He may not be a complete ass like Chucklenuts but does he have the political structure in place for an effective measured response?

Is it safe to say there are only going to be losers in this one?

At 7/17/2006 10:08 AM, Blogger Pim's Ghost said...

Thanks Merry Widow! I've been not writing for a while here, but if there were ever a time.....

At 7/17/2006 11:22 AM, Blogger Mad Zionist said...

Nicely done, PG. Those who insist on measured or restrained responses are anti-peace. As all of us with common sense understand, peace only comes when the war has a winner and a loser. If responses to attacks are done in equally measured doses the war continues in perpetuity and the peace is indefinitely put off. The answer to peace is total war, total victory, and unconditional surrender by the vanquished. Those who suggest otherwise either lack intelligence or simply hate Jews.

At 7/17/2006 11:30 AM, Anonymous religion of pieces said...

"For several months now, I've been comparing the time in which we're living to the 1930s." - AOW

Is Israel our Sudetenland?

"How horrible, fantastic, incredible, it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a far-away country between people of whom we know nothing!" - Neville Chamberlain (1938) - from

'By far the most well-known case of appeasement is one which ultimately failed - the appeasement of Adolf Hitler's Germany by British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's government in the late 1930s. The Munich Agreement in particular stands as a major example of appeasement...

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time."

Chamberlain's peace for our time deal (i.e. the surrender of the Sudetenland to Germany) with Hitler was internationally acclaimed and praised at home and abroad, by among others Pope Pius XI, Ireland's Eamon de Valera, the United States administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Canada's Mackenzie King. Chamberlain was acclaimed by many British people for avoiding another war that would slaughter their sons; of course, all this acclaim turned out to be completely for nothing. - from

At 7/17/2006 11:34 AM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Excellent and well-written, particularly the comments about disproportionate response. Since when did it become mandatory for any tit for tat response to terrorism? Islam destroyed two American towers, so far we have taken out two Islamic governments and I bet the number rises. The Romans controlled a vast empire based on the premise that if one Roman soldier was killed, than 1000 enemy civilians would also be killed. I'm not saying this is right but Roman rule lasted for well over 600 years.

At 7/17/2006 11:40 AM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Ducky...those are both excellent points. I am especially concerned about the Israeli Navy being unable to stop/thwart the missile attack. I think this poses serious questions for our Navy but don't think the Israeli naval force is nearly as sophisticated as Americas.

At 7/17/2006 11:44 AM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Last thing, I have often used Neville Chamberlain's policy of appeasement as an example but in truth Neville Chamberlain was never fooled by Hitler. He knew that England was nowhere near ready to fight Hitler and needed time to prepare. This doesn't excuse selling out Czechoslovakia but in truth, there was nothing England could do.

At 7/17/2006 11:49 AM, Blogger Brooke said...

Fantastic post. Very thought provoking!

Ducky, some would say that anytime one enters into conflict they have already lost.

Hezbollah has lost from the get-go due to their hateful doctrine and terrorist tactics.

Israel has lost in that they should never have allowed Hezbollah to become so bold as to continually attack them.

Hopefully, with this response Hez. will think twice before taking on Israel again.

At 7/17/2006 12:01 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Brooke, I wouldn't be so quick to asume you know the motivations here.

I have stated for some time that Israel doesn't have the muscle to take out Iranian nuclear capability. Not even close. Now what they get with this engagement is the potential for a permanent American presence in Iraq when the public opinion clearly favors having us get out.

So be prepared for more choas, higher deficits (remember, the Irqi costs are off the books) and higher gas prices. This could easily lead to a serious devaluation of the dollar so you may wish to be circumspect.

Odd that in all the carnage of the last 4 years in the Middle East poor underdog Israel has taken the fewest casualties.

At 7/17/2006 12:30 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...


1. Why were kidnappings succesful in two disparate locations by two seperate groups?

As you are well aware, leftists have difficulty acknowledging reality. The Kadima government of Israel is still confused and wondering why abandoning Gaza and southern Lebanon to terrorism resulted in missiles, rather than candy falling on them from the sky.

Has Israeli training gone down the shitter?

No, but perhaps their vigilance has.

Have Hamas and Hezbollah developed an integrated command and control?

They already had one. It's called Iran.

Israeli ship electronics are considered first rate. Should we be concerned that an Iranian missile was able to easily take out one of their more sophisticated ships.

Yes. It means the Iranian Pasdaran is in Lebanon with improved C-102 missiles.

Were the electronics off because the Israelis misread Hezbollah's capability and got over confident?

Perhaps, but the C-102 has jamming / anti-detection systems.

3. The Prime Minister is not a seasoned military man. He may not be a complete ass like Chucklenuts but does he have the political structure in place for an effective measured response?

He's a leftist. Cut him some slack. It took him 3 days to come up with the plan to bomb empty buildings in response.

At 7/17/2006 12:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

American Crusader,

The ship that was hit is one of the most advanced available with electronics and anti-missile systems rivalling the US.

Apparently the Phalanx anti-missile system was turned OFF to insure there were no friendly fire incidents shooting down Israeli aircraft in the area.

This was allowed due to the lack of INTELLIGENCE on the possibility of there being advanced missiles fielded against them.

All three incidents, the 2 kidnappings and the missile strike, appear to be a lack of up to date intelligence.

I wonder if the LEFTY rot has struck in the Israeli intelligence community similar to what has happened to the US?!?!?!?!

Mr. Sucky Ducky,

It isn't odd at all that Israel has taken the fewest casualties. They are arguably the best fighting force on the face of the earth. Even with the overblown concentration on civilian deaths (when you occupy a home next to an arms cache or a terrorist headquarters you just MIGHT want to move, especially when leaflets are dropped telling you of impending attack!!!) the Israelis are killing more of the ACTUAL COMBATANTS than they are losing!! Only in the war of 1948, where they were amazingly outgunned, did they take high casualties.

Are you upset that the US has taken extemely low casualties against the IslamoNAZIS we have fought?? You should be. Your buds are getting ERASED in the Middle East!!!!! It doesn't look like it is going to stop very soon either. The MORONS PRIDE will not allow them to put down their weapons and return the kidnapped soldiers, so, will be slaughtered!!!

All that money that Iran, Syria, Sauds, and charities world wide have pumped into arming these vermin is being BLOWN UP!!!


Sucky, you are just as smart as your Islamofascist buddies!!! I hope you increase your contributions to these Peace Loving Charities so we have more toys to blow up killing more civilians who are too stupid to leave the area of military targets!!! Civilians, I might add, who are primarily rabid supporters of these murderous IslamoNAZIS!!!

You should understand this. It is part of your religion, Evolution. You know, survival of the fittest.


By the way Mr. Sucky, as usual, you and John Brown Stain are saying nothing about the use by the IslamoNAZIS of missile technology that has an accuracy measured in 100's of YARDS. When the IslamoNAZIS claim to be targetting Israeli military, and strike the middle of a CIVILAN POPULATION CENTER miles from any military installations it kind of puts the LIE to you and your allies crap doesn't it???

The number you haven't mentioned is the ratio of civilians to military the IslamoNAZIS have killed. These cowardly vermin claim to have pride and specialise in targetting defenseless civilains in SNEAK ATTACKS!!! They have to sneak up on unarmed civilians to kill them!!!!! What brave freedom fighters they are!!!!

Yet you slime bags say Israel is wrong. You are soooooooo pitiful.

At 7/17/2006 5:59 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

by Bob Dylan
Wednesday April 13, 1983

Well, the neighborhood bully, he’s just one man,
His enemies say he’s on their land.
They got him outnumbered about a million to one,
He got no place to escape to, no place to run.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully just lives to survive,
He’s criticized and condemned for being alive.
He’s not supposed to fight back, he’s supposed to have thick skin,
He’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land,
He’s wandered the earth an exiled man.
Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn,
He’s always on trial for just being born.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized,
Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad.
The bombs were meant for him.
He was supposed to feel bad.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
That he’ll live by the rules that the world makes for him,
‘Cause there’s a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

He got no allies to really speak of.
What he gets he must pay for, he don’t get it out of love.
He buys obsolete weapons and he won’t be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

Well, he’s surrounded by pacifists who all want peace,
They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease.
Now, they wouldn’t hurt a fly.
To hurt one they would weep.
They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

Every empire that’s enslaved him is gone,
Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon.
He’s made a garden of paradise in the desert sand,
In bed with nobody, under no one’s command.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

Now his holiest books have been trampled upon,
No contract he signed was worth what it was written on.
He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth,
Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

What’s anybody indebted to him for?
Nothin’, they say.
He just likes to cause war.
Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed,
They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed.
He’s the neighborhood bully.

What has he done to wear so many scars?
Does he change the course of rivers?
Does he pollute the moon and stars?
Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill,
Running out the clock, time standing still,
Neighborhood bully.

At 7/17/2006 6:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you missinglink.

At 7/17/2006 8:52 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

The Duck once again points out his idiocy in his last post. Hamas and Hezbollah have been coordinating strategy for years and both are based out of Syria with Iranian intelligence calling the shots and financing the terrorists. This is basic common knowledge but you must have been watching Savage Innocents or the Movie version of Hair while the rest of us read the news.

Ducky is walking proof of what long term Pot Smoking combined with reading Marx, Chomsky and Fanon makes one sould like a blathrering idiot.

At 7/18/2006 12:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I think MR Sucky Ducky is stuck in his own Lord of the Flies reenactment!! It really upsets him cause his Muslim buddies won't hold the PIG for him!!

Of course, trying to decode Jack Kerouacks writings for the secret communist messages has been weighing on what's left of his mind also!!

At 7/18/2006 7:49 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Drug abuse is the only thing Jack Kerouack and the Duck have in common

At 7/18/2006 8:15 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Missing Link,
Quoting Bob Dylan? I didn't think you had it in ya!

The Munich Agreement stands as the perfect example of failure. Yet, those who truly want peace keep trying the avenue of appeasement, which differs from compromise, of course. Feeding the dragon has never worked. See Beowulf.

Certain drugs create a utopian mindset. I saw plenty of that phenomenon when I was in college. Funny how most of that group are now CEO types.

The Romans controlled a vast empire based on the premise that if one Roman soldier was killed, than 1000 enemy civilians would also be killed. I'm not saying this is right but Roman rule lasted for well over 600 years.

It often takes strength to maintain national sovereignty. Yes, the Romans were brutal, but they also brought their culture to the barbarians. Not a perfect trade-off, of course.

So be prepared for more choas, higher deficits (remember, the Irqi costs are off the books) and higher gas prices.

The price of oil went down a bit yesterday. Fluctuating market, sensitive to any upheaval in the Middle East.

Mr. Beamish,
Israel's appeasement toward the "Palestinians" led to an intolerable situation, despite the promises from the "Palestinian" side. Totally predictable, of course.

Remember Anwar Sadat, assassinated some 25 years ago for recognizing Israel?

Israel has lost in that they should never have allowed Hezbollah to become so bold as to continually attack them.

Remember that the rest of the world wanted to give peace a chance? Had Israel moved sooner, the outcry would have been enormous. As things now stand, Europe isn't having a fit. The Arab world had a conniption when Sadat stated, "We [Jews and Arabs] are brothers in Abraham."

There is no substitute for total victory!

At 7/18/2006 9:39 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Two kidnappings of soldiers within a few days of each other. Now I don't remember when this last happened and certainly not twice.

Sounds like the Poles captured a German radio station.

Scepticism is a virtue.

At 7/18/2006 10:32 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Remember Anwar Sadat, assassinated some 25 years ago for recognizing Israel?

Yep. That's part of the picture now. Hezbollah / Hamas / Iran has spent many years building up a record of committing terrorist attacks in Arab countries that are presently very vocal about Iran's role in all this. I'm not saying that the Arab League nations will do more than talk out the side of their mouth, but the bulk of them have experienced Iranian backed terrorist attacks on their soil at one time or another. Iran's pretty friendless right now in the Middle East, save for Syria. You can only shit in the punch bowl so many times....

At 7/18/2006 10:44 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Scepticism is a virtue.

Skepticism requires more than blind, solipsistic doubt. You've really got to open your eyes, Ducko. Absorb a little more info about the puzzle.

Back in February, the Arab nation of Oman gave Israel basing rights for reconnaissance and refueling planes, which gives Israel enough strategic depth in the Middle East to send fighter-bombers ANYWHERE in the Middle East, to the eastern-most reaches of IRAN.

That's an unprecedented amount of trust between Arab and Jew. Methinks Iran is phucked.

At 7/18/2006 11:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. BTIP has it right.

Scepticism is a virtue.

Blindness is a disease.

At 7/18/2006 1:17 PM, Anonymous And Another Thing said...

Reading the post and comments, a quote from Abraham Lincoln came to mind. He was being criticized for actually using force against the confederacy. His response (and my memory is not perfect so forgive me if this is not perfectly recounted) was "This rebellion cannot be suppressed with elder stalks squirting rose water."

The Israelis stated 50 years ago, "Never Again." They meant it and haven't changed. They have not been affected by political correctness to the same degree as the United States.

Modern terrorism is the primer for warfare. Anyone should know that warfare is unpredictable and much harder to stop than to start. Iran, more than any other nation, has made it crystal clear that Israel is to be wiped from the map.

Whatever political mistakes are made my Israel's politicians, national existence is non-negotiable. I don't expect them to use elder stalks and rosewater, either.

At 7/18/2006 1:45 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

And Another Thing,
I'm not sure about the Lincoln quote, but the gist of it sounds right to me.

Negotiation with terrorists has never worked so as to bring any kind of lasting solution.

At 7/18/2006 1:50 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

So let's try to understand this. Reports are stating the number of Katyushas fire as about 700 and the number of Israeli civilians dead as 12. Now since the Katysha is claimed to be the inaccurate indiscriminate killer I'm amazed that the casualties are so low.

One Israeli round killed a Canadian family of eight. The 101st airborne can kill a dozen civilians on a single patrol(with a few rapes thrown in).

Yet we all wring our hands over poor israel. Pardon those of us who sense the hypocrisy.

At 7/18/2006 1:53 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

A few minutes ago, an Arab-newspaper journalist was whining that Hezbollah is being outgunned, is a small force, is being treated unfairly, etc. Puhleeze! The mindset of victimology when it comes to Hezbollah and/or Hamas wears thin, mighty thin. Again, I was reminded of some of the points which Pim's Ghost made in her essay here.

At 7/18/2006 2:24 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

We were posting our comments at the same time.

What's going on between Israel and Hezbollah/Hamas is more involved that the kidnapping of a few soldiers. The kidnappings might have been the precipitating events, but problems with H/H go beyond those events and also predate them.

The 101st airborne can kill a dozen civilians on a single patrol(with a few rapes thrown in).

Not the topic at hand. But I believe that arrests have been made and that a trial is forthcoming. The name PFC Green comes to mind, but I'm not sure about that.

At 7/18/2006 2:27 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mr. Beamish,
I'm not saying that the Arab League nations will do more than talk out the side of their mouth...

Much is being made of this new stance from the Arab League and, indeed, it is a new stance. I don't think, however, that it presents a laser of hope. Maybe a ray? Or is it another manifestation of the tribal warfare which has been a part of Islam, particularly since the death of MTP?

Gingrich, as you know, is speaking of the conflict right now as a possible run-up to world war.

At 7/18/2006 2:49 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

AOW, I think what you are missing is the possibility that the kidnappings are a pretense.

There is a kidnapping in Gaza and then , when any military should be on alert, ezbollah pulls off an operation they have probably attempted for a decade. It goes smooth as silk.

Still, it was an operation against a military target. It was not a "terrorist attack" and the lack of any remorse for the killings in Lebanon is symptomatic of the right wing's short sightedness.

Please note that ever since Chucklenuts' Most Excellent Iraqi adventure there has been an increase in extremist Islamic representation in Kuwait, Iran, Egypt, Syria and pretty much everywhere. If your plan is to encourage a more widescale war with Islam it's probably working.

Bit please stop this hand wringing about the poor Israelis. They have the largest standing army and they have suffered the fewest casualties by an enormous difference.

At 7/18/2006 2:57 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Truly, I'm not hand wringing.

I've thought of the possibility of the pretense you mentioned; history is filled with such pretenses, as you well know.

I'm not as naive as you might think.

It seems to me that the ceded "Palestinian" territories have provided a good vantage point for Hamas and Hezbollah to work their deeds. And the government of Lebanon hasn't done its part to stop the doings of H/H.

At 7/18/2006 3:12 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

THIS is interesting:

Hizballah Wants Israel to Free Child-Killer
By Patrick Goodenough International Editor
July 18, 2006

( - The Arab prisoner that Hizballah wants Israel to release in exchange for two abducted Israeli soldiers, is serving multiple life sentences for killing a four-year-old girl with a rifle butt.

Samir Kuntar is one of only two or three Lebanese prisoners still held by Israel, and Hizballah said its July 12 assault is aimed at winning his freedom....

The full article is at the above link.

At 7/18/2006 3:17 PM, Blogger Mad Zionist said...

Actually, concessionist Israel's cowardly refusal to kill more moslems than they have is the only reason this war has gone on this far. Dead vermin = surrender = peace.

I realize that equation is far too complex for the inferior minded leftists to grasp, but hopefully a few will get help from a good conservative that can explain it to them slowly. AOW, you're a teacher, right? Maybe offer a lesson to the "politically challenged" liberals out there.

At 7/18/2006 3:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So MR Sucky Ducky, you imply that because the Islamofascists are a bunch of racist MORONS that can't put together a decent military and use civilians for human shields, that Israel doesn't deserve any sympathy for being regularly attacked in their Historical Homeland from Time Immemorial???


Every day you prove what a MORON you are!!!

At 7/18/2006 3:33 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

AOW, you should post some material on the Turkish visits to Washington recently to get Chucklenuts to commit to stopping Kurdish attacks from northern Iraq into southern Turkey.

Naturally Chucklenuts is trying to convince the Turks not to enter iraq (they evidently don't have the riht to defend themselves, double standard).

Should we allow the Turks to be attacked in their historic homeland?

I'm curious, AOW, where do you stand on the idea of God as real estate agent?

At 7/18/2006 4:02 PM, Anonymous Seth said...

Duck --
Still, it was an operation against a military target...

Right, and that military target was on sovereign Israeli soil. Sounds like an act of WAR to me.

Hezbollah started it -- the Israelis are under no obligation, morally or otherwise, to do anything other than finish it as they see fit.

When you start a fight, you automatically license the defender to go as far as he feels like going. If his response is far more extreme than you'd expected, oh, well. Like the Brits would say, "You shouldn't have joined."

At 7/18/2006 4:21 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Well seth, we'll see where this goes.

If I might remind you of the last time the Israelis tried this stunt in Lebanon they got a plank as far up the butt as we are taking one in Iraq.

At 7/18/2006 4:21 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Ducky, do you think that casualties are so low on the Israeli side because they have the sense to evacuate hostile areas?

Just a thought.

And why is it that Israel is encouraged to "use restraint," and Hezbollah receives no such admonitions from the Arab League, or the like.

As for God as a real estate agent... That's just preposterous. He's not asking for a percentage, Ducky.

At 7/18/2006 4:27 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...


Please go fuck yourself with your barely concealed old school hatred of Jews.

The bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946 by the Irgun took out the British Mandate military headquarters. A military target. The Irgun even delivered a message to the British, and the French before the attack - "I am speaking on behalf of the Hebrew underground. We have placed an explosive device in the hotel. Evacuate it at once - you have been warned."

But to you, it was "terrorism."

Take your "hypocrisy sniffer" out of your ass.

At 7/18/2006 4:28 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...


Lets see anyone with half a brain knows the Israelis trade hundreds of vermin for one soldiers corpse.
Duncy feigns surprise at a predictable outcome and likens the episode to the fake Polish attack on a Radio station in WW2. The subtle hint by the dunce is Joos are Nazis. Then people wonder why I call duncy a Communist Anti semite. In reality communists in definition and practice are anti semitic and ignorant.

Yet Duncy sees a Nazi conspiracy to invade Lebanon. More proof positive the Duck is incoherent and an anti semite.

At 7/18/2006 4:29 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Brooke, there have been about 20 Israeli casualties and 13 of those have been military. Are you trying to tell me that Hezbollah is starting an operation designed to inflict massive civilian casualties? Bore me later.

I also believe that the ratio of Lebanese civilian to military casualties is far higher than the Israeli. It really tears the fabric of reason when you start implying that the "poor Israelis" crap chocolate ice cream and pee perfume.

So what type of Christian are you? It's tough to seperate out the ones who aren't endtimers concentrating on God as real estate agent getting ready for the final showdown. Myself, I find it a vulgar, violent, useless spiritual vision. But it's tough to know just which views are represented here.

At 7/18/2006 4:46 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...


Ducky's about as subtle as a page out of Mein Kampf.

At 7/18/2006 5:00 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

there have been about 20 Israeli casualties and 13 of those have been military. Are you trying to tell me that Hezbollah is starting an operation designed to inflict massive civilian casualties? Bore me later.

What Israeli "military" targets has Hezbollah's and Hamas' rockets and missiles hit?

Let's see:

a school in Ashkelon, residential areas in Safed, Haifa, Nazareth, Kiryat Shemona, Nahariya, Carmiel, Majd al Krum, Rosh Pinah... a train station in Haifa... an Egyptian cargo ship...

Again, Ducky, go fuck yourself, idiot.

At 7/18/2006 6:23 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I just got in from work. Looks as if I've misssed the discussion going on here.

Funny about that mention of Mein Kampf. Somewhere in my files, I have a comparison of Mein Kampf and the Koran. I should did out that info. I'll have to search for it.

Let's see. "Kampf" means struggle. And so does "jihad."

At 7/18/2006 6:33 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...


It's official.
Hezbollah is on Israeli payroll.
Must be since they officially admitted to the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers.

Hezbollah Leader Demands Prisoner Exchange for Captured Israeli Troops
By Challiss McDonough
12 July 2006

The leader of the Lebanon-based militant group Hezbollah says Israel will not be able to free two captured Israeli soldiers through military action, only through a prisoner exchange. Israeli troops entered Lebanon for the first time in six years after the soldiers were kidnapped by Hezbollah militants early Wednesday

And since we all know it was Israel behind those fake kidnappings you just need to draw the most basic conclusions.

It all makes perfect sense.
You see, Bush planted Osama (his business associate) and then exploded WTC so the Jewish insurance mafia could increasae insurance premiums worlwide.

Now they they want to increase travel insurance fees and need an excuse to attack Lebanon, which as we all know is the most popular destination place for holiday makers worlwide.

For example at this very moment there are 25K Aussie tourists stranded, 40K Canucks, 25K Yankees, 22K Poms.
All tourists collecting social security checks from their 'new' countries, while their young lions attend Hezbollah's summer camps.

I hope you'll see this 'defensive' action for what it is: Joooos did it again.

At 7/18/2006 6:39 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Here, from BBC News, is a bit of information about Turkey, though it's not what you requested (March 2005, with emphases as they appeared in the article, reproduced in its entirety below):

Hitler book bestseller in Turkey
Adolf Hitler's autobiography, Mein Kampf, has become a bestseller in Turkey - sparking fears of growing anti-Semitic feelings in the country.

The book has sold more than 50,000 copies since January.

Analysts fear that the Middle East conflict and the US-led war on Iraq might have fuelled extremist ideology.

Turkey has been a Jewish-friendly place since the times of the Ottoman empire, when a sultan offered protection to Jews fleeing from 15th century Spain.

A cheap paperback version selling at the equivalent of $4.50 (£2.30) is currently among Turkey's top bestsellers.

Ogus Tektas, the owner of Mephisto, one of the publishers which re-issued the 500-page book, told AFP news agency Mein Kampf had always been "a sleeper, a secret bestseller".

Some feel there is an international conspiracy led by what they call the crusaders - meaning the US and maybe the West in general and the Zionists
Dogu Ergil, political scientist

"We took it out of the closet for purely commercial reasons," he said, adding his company was only interested in making money.
But the owner of another publishing house, Sami Kilic, acknowledged the book was being bought primarily by young people influenced by international politics.

Conspiracy theories

Dogu Ergil, a political scientist at Ankara University, told the BBC he believed recent developments in Iraq and the Middle East might have fomented anti-Semitic and anti-American feelings among right-wing ultranationalists and extremist Islamists.

"There has been no objective reason for anti-Semitic feelings to crop up in Turkey," he said, adding that Hitler has always been considered "a criminal" and "a maniac" in his country.

"However, some feel there is an international conspiracy led by what they call the crusaders - meaning the US and maybe the West in general and the Zionists."

He said people from different backgrounds, such as left- and right-wingers and Islamists, had found common ground - "not on a common agenda for the future, but on their anxieties, fears and hate".

Mein Kampf was written by Hitler in 1925 and first published in Turkey in 1939.

Turkey has a 22,000-strong Jewish population, mostly living in Istanbul.

Bavaria, the German state that holds the rights of Hitler's work, has fought to prevent publishing houses around the world from publishing it.

"Mein Kampf," or "My Struggle," is banned from sale in Germany, where it can only be found in libraries for research purposes.

BTW, God is not a real-estate agent. I know what you're referring to, of course. That's a theological matter as far as I'm concerned, and theology is not the slant of this discussion--so far, anyway.

At 7/18/2006 6:42 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Missing Link,
I see that you're in a satiric mood.

At 7/18/2006 7:09 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Point: AOW! ;)

At 7/18/2006 7:26 PM, Blogger Old Soldier said...

AOW, my apologies in advance for departing from the subject matter…

”The 101st airborne can kill a dozen civilians on a single patrol(with a few rapes thrown in).”

Ducky, are you that hopelessly bigoted or just plain stupid? The 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) is comprised of 15,000 Soldiers; not 4 or 5. Your false assignation of murder and rape to the entire 15,000 Soldiers, once again, shows you utter contempt for those who defend and ensure your freedom; the freedom you exercise by demeaning those very defenders. However, after our last exchange, I am not the slightest bit surprised by your total lack of consideration or compassion for the members of our armed forces.

On topic: Israel has just as much right to exist as a people and nation as any other people and nation. Because they fully understood the environment within which they found themselves and prepared accordingly, does not make them the bad guy in this confrontation. Personally, I hope Israel knocks Syria and Lebanon to their knees. I almost hope Iran would openly enter the conflict so as to drag us into it. That way we could assure the disarmament of Iran. It is time to stop pussy footing around and make Islamofascist aggression too costly to pursue.

At 7/18/2006 7:42 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Old Soldier,
No need to apologize! Some things need to be said when a red herring is introduced.

It is time to stop pussy footing around and make Islamofascist aggression too costly to pursue.

It's the only way, isn't it? Yapping and appeasement aren't getting the job done.

At 7/18/2006 8:12 PM, Anonymous Seth said...

Here, here!

At 7/18/2006 8:18 PM, Blogger Old Soldier said...

AOW, the only thing the Islamofascists will understand is a dogged resolve to hunt them down and kill them. I’m almost to the point of advocating that we tell Dar al Islam (the House of Submission or the ‘moderate’ Muslims) to change their prayer direction from Mecca to Medina; because in 72 hours Mecca will cease to exist. Inform them that they can ‘save’ Mecca by reigning in Dar al Harb (the House or War or the Islamofascists). If the demand is not met in 72 hours take out Mecca with a nuclear blast. Repeat the demand using Medina. After Medina, target Riyadh. On and on until Islam gets the message loud and clear that they are a religion with a rapidly diminishing population.

At 7/18/2006 8:22 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Old Soldier,
That action might put a crimp in their "will of allah" mantra.

Is a nuke really needed? What about a bomb filled with pork renderings and dog hair? ;)

At 7/18/2006 8:32 PM, Blogger Gayle said...

Absolutely, Old Soldier! You go! And Ducky is not an idiot. No, I'm not defending Ducky. Ducky is worse than an idiot; he's a socialist Moonbat with Communist ideals. It's rather obvious. He cares nothing for this country or our way of life. An idiot doesn't know what he's doing; Ducky knows absolutely!

At 7/18/2006 8:36 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

"The Muslim understands two postures: Your boot on his neck, or his hands around your throat" - Napoleon Bonaparte

At 7/18/2006 8:51 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mr. Beamish,
And, of course, John Adams and Winston Churchhill had a few things to say as well about Muslims (Mohammedans).

Captain James T. Riley's travelogue, published in the 18th or 19th century, also addresses another aspect of Islam--enslavement. Riley's book had a profound effect on Abraham Lincoln.

At 7/18/2006 9:00 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

From a blog post I made July 24th, 2005:

"The Muslims in Persia are wicked and treacherous. The law which their prophet Mohamet[Muhammad] has given them lays down that any harm they may do to one who does not accept their law, and any appropriation of his goods, is no sin at all.. And if they suffer death at the hands of Christians, they are accounted martyrs. For this reason they would be great wrongdoers, if it were not for the government. And all the other Muslims in the world act on the same principle. When they are on the point of death up comes their priest[Mullah] and asks whether they believe that Mahomet was the true messenger of God; if they answer "Yes" then he tells them that they are saved." - From Marco Polo's Diary (The Travels of Marco Polo, pp57-58 Penguin Books 1958)


"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.” —Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).


"Field reports to the U.S. Government, countless eye-witness journalistic accounts, reports of International agencies such as World Bank and additional information available to the subcommittee document the reign of terror which grips East Bengal (East Pakistan). Hardest hit have been members of the Hindu community who have been robbed of their lands and shops, systematically slaughtered, and in some places, painted with yellow patches marked "H". All of this has been officially sanctioned, ordered and implemented under martial law from Islamabad." - Crisis in South Asia - A report by Senator Edward Kennedy to the Subcommittee investigating the Problem of Refugees and Their Settlement, Submitted to U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, November 1, 1971, U.S. Govt. Press, pp.6-7.


"I covered the war and witnessed first the population's joyous welcome of the Indian soldiers as liberators .. Later I toured the country by road to see the Pakistani legacy firsthand. In town after town there was an execution area where people had been killed by bayonet, bullet and bludgeon. In some towns, executions were held on a daily basis .. This was a month after the war's end (i.e. January 1972), ... human bones were still scattered along many roadsides. Blood stained clothing and tufts of human hair clung to the brush at these killing grounds. Children too young to understand were playing grotesque games with skulls. Other reminders were the yellow "H"s the Pakistanis had painted on the homes of the Hindus, particular targets of the Muslim army." - The Pakistani Slaughter That Nixon Ignored , Syndicated Column by Sydney Schanberg, New York Times, May 3, 1994.

At 7/18/2006 9:15 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mr. Beamish,
So much for the recent development of "extremism." ;)

Beamish in '08.

At 7/18/2006 9:46 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

It scares me that people want me to be President more than I want to be President, LOL.

At 7/18/2006 11:10 PM, Blogger Pim's Ghost said...

I never realized how much Ducky reminded me of this moron at YouTube who pesters everyone about 9/11 being an "inside job". Ducky, now this is a bit off:
"Should we allow the Turks to be attacked in their historic homeland?" Sorry, I'm biased when it comes to Asia Minor.
Also, why would Israel not be capable of a more open war with Iran? Their military might is legend (and necessary, being but a small island in a sea of countries that want it wiped off the planet), and there have been rumors for decades that they have nukes. The response to the question of whether they have nukes when I have asked those who've served in the Israeli military is, "Oh, yeah". This may all be BS on the part of Israelis who claim that their nation has nukes, but maybe not. Either way, I think we would be dragged (the world, not just the US) into the conflict if it went to that level.

Duck, it's truly sick to see you bashing the Israelis. As I wrote and as it is now appearing throughout the world, there's a new excuse to hate Jews! Israel! The Palestinians! And don't think it stops in that region, this is spreading as an attitude amongst the very types of people who claim to be anathema to bigotry. What a crock.

Brooke--absolutely right. Evacuations work wonders. And "disproportionate response"?? With Hezbollah threatening more? What, they want a tie?

I'm just scared half to death because I know people with family and some who've moved back both in Israel and Lebanon. And yes, I did stop watching David Bowie videos on YouTube to start writing again, and thanks and big hugs to AOW for liking what I did write and posting it here! XOXOXOXO!

OK, how long until we see lefty white kids protesting against Israel on US college campuses? Or have I just missed a few already?

At 7/18/2006 11:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

pim's ghost:

I am extremely ashamed to say that Islamic Fundamentalism along with diatribes against Israel are quite highly thought of on the Berkley Campus and some others in the so called Golden State.

It is the typical bit where they can make any kind of inflammatory remarks against Israel, but, conservatives and others can say nothing about Islamofascism.

At 7/19/2006 5:51 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mr. Beamish,
It scares me that people want me to be President more than I want to be President, LOL.

Well, we're desperate for a candidate who isn't politically correct.

At 7/19/2006 6:10 AM, Blogger Pim's Ghost said...

Anon--this is one of the reasons that I lasted only 11 months in the Bay Area, even after buying a house. I was OUTTA THERE, BABY!!

Not to mention the obsession with "equality for all" there, especially at Berkeley and in Marin Co., though living in one of the most economically stratified metro areas in the country. Yet they don't and won't admit that they contribute to this system by living in certain suburbs that most cannot even afford to live in, yet they claim that the military recruiting in schools (in SF) preys on the poor. Where, pray tell, are these poor being forced to live in that artificially inflated housing market?

OK, end California rant....

At 7/19/2006 6:23 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Pim's Ghost,
Congratulations on geting this essay published at Faith Freedom!

Remember that I published it first! :)

At 7/19/2006 8:46 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Let we think that all the trouble is "over there": FBI eyes Hizbollah in US as tensions with Iran rise.

At 7/19/2006 3:15 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Israel's military might is legend?
Do you visit the planet often?

Look, if they had the muscle to deal with iran they would probably have knocked out the reactors.

As it is they seem intent on repeating the embarrasmnet of their first Lebanon invasion.

Now remember, when israel pulls these little stunts the organizations that come in to replace the ones they attack are more aggressive and more militant. Look for Hamas and ezbollah to morph into larger problems.

Don't assume that once again israel hasn't screwed up big time (and you WILL be paying the bills).

At 7/19/2006 3:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

MR Sucky Ducky:

Keep goading, even those deeply buried and hardened sites will be rendered unreachable and uninhabitable by surface nukes. Same reason the US hasn't jumped in to take out Iran's Nuclear sites. It would require land invasion without the use of nukes. Of course, if Iran DOES follow through on their threats to use WMD...

And what embarrasment did the Israelis suffer from the first Lebanese invasion? Where, if I remember right, the BIG BAD JIHADIS couldn't keep the Lebanese from slaughtering their allies in one of the refugee camps. (Sharon is still blamed for this). Where it took the intervention of the US and other western countries to save Arafat and allies from capture or destruction. Where the Israelis settled comfortably in until the nations of the world harassed them into leaving.

Now Sucky, don't forget that the organisations that replace the previous ones are financed by the same idiots worldwide and do exactly the same cowardly sneak attacks on primarily civilian tactics as the last group. You are making noises about how BAD and aggressive these little Hitlers are, but, what have they actually done??

Have they managed to hold even a square mile of Israel for a minute?

Have they managed to cause ANY casualities not attributed to rocket attacks from ambush, or MINES?? In fact, they demonstrated their capabilities today by hitting Nazareth, a majority Arab city considered a Holy City by several sects. WOW, how brave and important to the Jihad!!! Oh, and lets not forget the hospitals that the big bad Jihadis have managed to hit with their highly accurate missiles.

What your tiny lack of a brain is totally rejecting is that these pimples on Israel's A$$ wouldn't even be able to do this without Iran, Syria, and numerous other financial supporters. Not to mention the propaganda spread by Imams, Al Jazeera, Al NYT, Al LAT...

As usual, the only mistake that Israel might make will be to stop before the job is done due to pressure from the International Community.

Any other ignorance for us today MR??


You MORON!!!

PS: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Egypt have all condemned these ignorant barbarians actions against Israel. Seems the Arab/Muslim world is no longer collectively arrayed against them!!! You are so brilliant Sucky, why don't you explain this apparent break up??

At 7/19/2006 4:34 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

My my ananymous. Such a glowing portrait of a country with over 20% of its population under the poverty level and an economy that would sink with weapons exports and welfare checks from America.

Myself, I'd make Israel pay for its own defence and maybe it would cut the nonsense. They've already admitted that it cost too much to occupy Gaza so if we cut off the welfare checks then Golan and the West Bank should be next.

At 7/19/2006 6:02 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...


Since when do you worry about welfare and call it a bad thing. This is more of your anti semitism at work.

Speaking about Welfare how about all the student loans for worthless social science research and study. The victims studies department seems to be a jobs program for lazy Marxists.

At 7/19/2006 7:42 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...


Since when do you worry about welfare and call it a bad thing. This is more of your anti semitism at work.

I had that same thought when I saw Duck's comment, but I was pressed for time and didn't post the barb.

At 7/19/2006 8:46 PM, Blogger Pim's Ghost said...

Beak and Anon, Right on target! Bravo!

Ducky, shouldn't you be commenting over at DailyKos or something? Or fulfilling one of my Blogger wishes : creating a blog of your OWN to announce your strange notions to the world? It would probably take less time than making the rounds of sites to spread your brand of hatred.

At 7/19/2006 9:11 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Under the Ducky plan, would we cut the 1978 Camp David Accords "welfare checks" to Egypt?

(Psst, Ducky, to answer this requires you to know what the hell you're talking about)

At 7/19/2006 9:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahhh yes, MR Sucky Ducky must be an EXPERT on Welfare Checks from the US. My limited intelligence just can't picture him actually being PAID to do anything, except possibly for organ donations. He apparently already donated the brain.

As for Israel, I would consider the money we pay them as a good investment. I mean, who else in the world kills Islamofascists like Israel?? Not to mention the huge contributions the Israeli scientists make to our Missile, anti-missile and Electronic Warfare capabilities, which, I will add, are the best in the world!!!

Russia built MIGs that could outfly our jets, BUT, they could not shoot our aircraft down as easily as we shoot theirs!! Why? Sensors, targeting computers, radars, jamming... We sell our fighters to countries and what do they get?? Large, expensive, toys to play I got a big one with. Without the electronics packages Israel helps us with the MIGs would blow them out of the sky even with our best trained pilots in them!!!

Next on the list is agricultural research. Israel has pioneered numerous technologies to make arid land useable. Remember the greenhouses sold to Charities to be given to Palis?? The ones the filthy Palis didn't destroy still couldn't be used because they did not have the KNOWLEDGE!!!!! Satellite pictures of the ME show a distinct difference in the land under Israeli control. Under Arab control the land is stripped and poor. In Israel it is coming alive again!!!

I love it when you and John Brown Stain talk about Apartheid Israel. Remember the Gay Day that is going off in Jerusalem??? Exactly how many apartheid countries would allow this to happen when their majority believes in a religion that thinks this activity is a sin?? There will be more VIOLENT reaction to this from the Palis then the Jews!!!! That's right Ducky, you would be a LOT safer in Israel!!

And speaking of Apartheid, what country in the world, outside of the US, has accepted so many different nationalities into their home as equal citizens with full rights??? Which also brings us back to the 20% figure. Unemployment is 8.9% which rivals France and beats Germany. The fact that Israel has a large number of immigrants compared to their size means it is gonna be damned hard to keep everything together. Exacerbating this is the fact that there is a welfare line ALSO rivalling the socialist countries of Europe. Yes, without the money from the US things would be harder. Of course, without the US they would be able to sell their advanced technology to Russia, China, Korea and others at top dollar easily making up for the loss in WELFARE CHECKS.

Back to the welfare line. The Israelis have been sliding in the Socialist direction for years and would be much healthier economically if they had not gone in that direction. So, your LEFTY policies get another black eye.

Any other good ideas from you MR?


You MORON!!!

PS: Now compare the figures on Israel to the figures for the MUSLIM countries that have OIL!!! Israel looks a hell of a lot healthier with virtually NO natural resources!!


Ducky is an MR, Ducky is an MR!!!!

At 7/20/2006 9:14 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

All your points are well taken, especially this one:

My limited intelligence just can't picture him actually being PAID to do anything, except possibly for organ donations. He [Mr. Ducky] apparently already donated the brain.

Pim's Ghost,
Time and again, I've told Duck that he should start his own blog. I've promised to visit if he does.

At 7/20/2006 9:15 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mr. Beamish,
(Psst, Ducky, to answer this requires you to know what the hell you're talking about)

Might you be asking too much? ;)

At 7/20/2006 11:13 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...


Might you be asking too much? ;)

I refer you to Beamish's Hypothesis:

1.) All leftists are either
a) physically incapable of rational thought, or
b) categorically opposed to engaging in rational thought in front of witnesses.

2.) All examples of rationality found within leftist discourse are either
a) derived in a quote from a conservative, or
b) demonstrably deviant from the leftist's own core views, thus calling their status as a leftist into question.

At 7/20/2006 12:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. BTIP said:

"2.) All examples of rationality found within leftist discourse are either
a) derived in a quote from a conservative, or
b) demonstrably deviant from the leftist's own core views, thus calling their status as a leftist into question."


c) totally accidental and governed by Chaos Theory.

At 7/20/2006 3:58 PM, Blogger Mark said...

Excellent, Pim's Ghost! Excellent!

At 7/20/2006 4:00 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I'm glad that I get email notification of comments, or I might have missed your visit here. Things have been jumping at my blod.

Pim's Ghost is an outstanding writer. And this article was also picked up by Faith Freedom.

At 7/20/2006 7:58 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mr. Beamish,
I've filed your hypothesis for later reference. Thanks!

At 7/22/2006 5:02 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...


c) totally accidental and governed by Chaos Theory.

Heh. I'd need some of those eternally elusive examples of leftist rationality to test for this.

At 7/22/2006 1:21 PM, Blogger Pim's Ghost said...

Thanks very much, Mark! And thanks yet again AOW. I'm starting to think that you are my Fairy Godmother.....

I REALLY wish I had rechecked for errors before I submitted it at looks REALLY bad. But oh well, at least I got my point across.

Thanks again!

At 7/22/2006 3:45 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Pim's Ghost,
I am delighted to serve as your fairy godmother.

As to any errors you might have made...No big deal. You got the point across.

At 7/23/2006 10:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


according to Chaos Theory Al Bore could be right about the POSSIBILITY of a butterfly flapping its wings in a Brazilian rain forest starting a causality chain ending in a tornado in the US.

Of course, we'll have to wait for those with the time machine to come back and tell us about it happening on some other planet!!!


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