C-Span Interview of Robert Spencer
On August 20, 2006, Brian Lamb conducted a lengthy interview of Robert Spencer. The emphasis of the interview is the documentary film Islam: What the West Needs to Know. My review of the movie is HERE. The C-Span broadcast contains clips from the film.Click HERE to watch the interview with Robert Spencer.
A transcript of the interview is HERE.
[Hat-tip to Mike's America for letting me know about the C-Span interview]
Addendum: According to commenter Eyes All Around, CAIR is expressing disapproval to C-Span for airing the interview with Robert Spencer. You can express your support of C-Span's interviewing Robert Spencer by contacting C-Span at this email address: viewer@c-span.org
posted by Always On Watch @ 9/11/2006 12:45:00 AM
126 comments
126 Comments:
Spencer did a great job. He is a calm and reasonable speaker who has clearly mastered his subject. Thanks for the heads-up (and thanks to Mike, also.)
I rarelly watch C-Span, so if not for Mike, I wouldn't have been able to post the links here.
Robert Spencer has a new book coming out this fall. The topic is MTP.
I don't watch C-Spann either, great catch on Mike's part. I think Robert Spencer is a hero. I off to watch now. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks AOW..I will come back after work to check this out!..:)
I wasn't able to get those links to work. I didn't even hear about this movie unfortunately. That's what I get for taking too much time off this summer. Truth is though...most people don't even want to know the truth about Islam.
I don't understand this type of thinking.
I don't suppose you caught the piece by Gabriel Weimann, too? It was very informative.
I don't watch C-Span myself; thanks for the heads-up, AOW!
Robert Spencer is in a calm and fascinating speaker who knows his subject matter inside and out! This was a lengthy interview, but well worth the time invested to watch it!
Farmer John,
Thanks for those links. I hadn't previously seen the material.
Duck,
The quote from Spencer, from that link you left:
"The only thing we can know is that the date was not chosen by accident," said Robert Spencer, Director of Jihadwatch.org and an adjunct fellow at the Free Congress Foundation, a conservative think tank. "It does seem very likely, very probable, that he has something major in mind, whether only a major announcement or a major attack, we will soon see."
He didn't exactly proclaim that the sky is falling.
I've also heard a bit about August 22 on mainstream news--ABC, I think.
FYI, I'm not sheltering in place tomorrow.
I know that you don't have any use for Robert Spencer, but maybe you took the time to watch the interview on C-Span?
As to knowledge about explosives....not my area. Maybe Mr. Beamish and/or Warren would know?
Crusader,
The links were working for me--last time I checked. I'll check again.
Okay, try THIS LINK or THIS ONE. Sometimes the page is unavailable. Maybe the site is getting lots of hits?
If you use the first of the two links in the above comment, you'll have to scroll down to the lower left-side of the web page.
That was a really interesting interview.
Little Che Sucky the Lying MORON listens to the LEFTY appeasers again.
If you remember the OKC coverup, the FBI first claimed that he used a fertilizer bomb (ANFO. After rough calculations it was realised that there wasn't enough fertilizer and fuel in the truck to cause even the beginnings of the damage. The FBI then hypothesized that he used NITROMETHANE (a binary chemical explosive) to multiply the effects of the fertilizer/fuel. (Based on experts computations that still wouldn't have caused the damage to the building but that is another conspiracy theory)
Head down to your local dragstrip and ask the Top Fuel mechanics and drivers about nitromethane!!!
As far as mixing, throwing out BINARY EXPLOSIVE is a no-brainer for the press. What is to prevent the ISLAMONAZI from using a tri or quad explosive??
Binary explosives are not necessarily made of 2 chemicals. They are called BINARY because the final mix is from two relatively STABLE components.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_explosive
http://www.mrel.com/FIXOR.html
There are probably numerous other BINARY explosives.
Damn Che Sucky, can't you even GOOGLE stuff before proving your ignorance and the ignorance of your sources????
Oh, and CHUMP Che Sucky, you don't need to blow the aircraft apart to bring it down like TWA800. All you need to do is break open the skin in the correct place at altitude for the decompression to assist in stripping the skin back, making the aircraft unflyable.
You may have forgotten about the Bombs left on the German trains. These were well designed, but, the maker apparently screwed the pooch in the actual assembly so they couldn't go off.
If he wasn't caught, next time he might have gotten it right. Same with these idiots. What they were planning may or may not have worked, but, how many chances do you want to give them??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You Little CHUMP Che Sucky Lying Coward!!!
Interesting comment thread to say the least, AOW. :)
I didn't watch it but then I was on the road. Too late now, because of my dial-up. However, I already understand what Islam really stands for. We need to convince the liberals, if that's at all possible. From what I've seen here, reasoning isn't one of their strong points.
Crusader,
You must have Real Player installed for the links to work.
Missing Link,
I have Real Player, but sometimes the link(s) won't work. Other times, I can make the connection.
Some Q&A on liquid explosives:
Q What are liquid explosives?
A The most common is nitroglycerin, a key ingredient in dynamite. Another is triacetone triperoxide, or TATP, the explosive used by would-be "shoe bomber" Richard Reid on a flight from Paris to Miami in December 2001. Nitric acid, which can be bought at any Home Depot, and glycerin, another common household item, can also be combined to create an explosive.
Planes flying at high altitude use pressurized cabins. A relatively small hole in such a cabin can cause a plane to essentially blow apart at high altitude because of the difference in pressure inside and outside the cabin.
Q How much liquid explosive would be needed to bring down an airliner?
A Very little. The bottles used to hold contact lens solution, for example, would hold enough nitroglycerin to open a plane's fuselage. "You're talking a few ounces," said Mike Barrett, a counter-terrorism expert with the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, a New York think tank. "All you have to do is blow a hole in it."
Q How hard is it to acquire?
A Nitroglycerin is dangerous to make, but it isn't hard to acquire the ingredients and it requires limited expertise and no special equipment to produce. "It's what's called kitchen demolitions," Barrett said. "The ingredients are not particularly exotic. They're not hard to come by." TATP is made from two liquids: acetone, the primary ingredient of most nail polish removers, and hydrogen peroxide, commonly used as an antiseptic when diluted. The highly concentrated versions necessary to create an explosion can be obtained commercially.
Q How is it detonated?
A very small spark produced by a low-voltage battery can trigger a nitroglycerin explosion. In 1994, Al-Qaida operatives blew up a contact lens solution bottle filled with nitroglycerin tucked under the seat of a Japanese airliner bound from the Philippines to Tokyo. The explosion killed a passenger and forced an emergency landing. An inexpensive Casio wristwatch was the timer and light bulb filament attached to a 9-volt battery was the detonator.
Source: http://www.startribune.com/722/story/608091.html
AOW,
Overloaded server.
Video streaming consumes a lot of bandwidth.
When there are too many users and your connection isn’t exactly red hot fast it probably times out.
In any case make sure to have the latest Real Player installed.
Missing Link,
Overloaded server.
Then maybe lots of people are watching. I hope so!
Eyes,
I'll get right to it.
Eyes,
Done!
For around $500, and a trip to Wal-Mart, Home Depot, and Walgreens, I can rig you up a nice IED with a motion detector triggered detonator for your driveway. Keeps the neighbors dogs out of your trashcans, permanently.
Anonymous and MissingLink pretty much answered what kind of explosive force would be required to take out a high-altitude passenger jet. Just a hole through the fuselage, or worse, through a fuel tank.
What impressed me most about the interview is that Robert Spencer has all of these Koranic citations and other facts at the tip of his tongue and can pull it all together and express it in such a brilliant and succinct way. It's a real gift to be both a talented writer and effective speaker and presenter.
I hope C-Span will replay the interview and yes I did send an email praising the interview.
Mr Beamish,
The most effective and easiest to handle would be nitrogen triiodide.
I experimented with it when I was 16.
It's absolutely deadly. When in liquid (thick muddy substance) form it's completely safe (as long as it is in a bottle).
Spill it on a surface and give it a few minutes and it cannot be handled or removed at all. The slightest touch will make it explode. Very powerful, devastating blast.
Takes 2-5 minutes to make this coctail (ingredients available in all chemist stores over the counter).
I found the links...thanks. He had some very interesting comments.
ducky...despite your cynicism, isn't it obvious to you that something major was being planned?
Isn't CAIR always unhappy when the TRUTH is being told about their Religion of Peace?
Crusader,
Yes, CAIR is forever issuing a whine-o-gram.
I have to wonder if CAIR's power isn't one reason that Spencer doesn't get interviews on CBS, ABC, and NBC--in spite of the fact that his Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam was on the NYT bestseller list for some four months.
And let's not forget what happened to Michael Graham last summer. CAIR led the charge to get him fired.
We should also keep in mind that CAIR did NOT win the law suit against Anti-CAIR.
Nice airliner crash in Russian country again huh Ducky??
AOW,
Fake fascination of the MSM with Al-Qaida and 'organized' terrorism is leading people into a belief that indeed terrorism is a problem related to the existence of a small group of fringe dwellers, who can be easily dealt with if only the real baddies (Bush & Co.) started chasing them instead of waging war for oil and killing innocent pregnant Iraqi women.
This is why both the MSM and the pro Islamic radicals always want to know if this or another massacre was organized by Al- Qaida or just some disgruntled amateurish youth (deception).
Of course chasing Al-Qaida or any particular terrorist organization is like chasing proverbial wind (read - total waste of time).
There are following reasons for current problems:
- Islam
- Money available to Islamic movement to get organized and use terror as a strategy to wage war on the West
- large group of hostiles allowed to operate inside our territories and protected by our laws
- large group of Western supporters of the Islamic push against capitalist West, whose role is to confuse us and protect their new 'wretched of the world'.
To secure our rights to travel without being searched and harassed we need to concentrate on the four above targets.
This cannot be achieved without massive campaign to change (influence) idiotic government policies and established PC dogmas.
This was an excellent programme. Robert Spencer knew his subject; and it showed.
Thanks, Always, for alerting me to the video. Being this side of the Pond, I couldn't view the actual programme, of course.
Mark,
As you know, Robert Spencer has been studying Islam for some 20 years--well before 9/11. And he also explained his interest in the subject--Turkish ancestry, if I remember correctly; that information is early in the interview.
It was my pleasure to alert you to the interview.
Missing Link,
Those four reasons you mentioned are quite accurate, IMO.
Duck,
The reports are sketchy and hint at something that is quite likely much less than it appears.
Most here would disagree with that statement. I believe that investigators in England found a lot of material--maps, explosives, computers, etc. This group of plane bombers do not appear to be wannabes.
I don't accept the global jihad idea...
What to say? Over and over, jihadists speak of the global jihad. If you choose not to believe them when they state their goals, that's your choice.
From a few comments comments here, I see that explosives are easily concocted.
I've heard several times on the news that many web sites give instructions as to how to mix available materials so as to create IED's.
Mike,
I hope C-Span will replay the interview and yes I did send an email praising the interview.
I have my doubts about the former. Despite Spencer's emphasis on not hating Muslims and on the facts (quotes from the Koran and the Hadith), various Muslim groups are having conniptions.
What I'd like to see is a formal debate between a CAIR rep and Spencer. As Spencer mentioned, that kind of event is avoided by CAIR.
Of course, I sent C-Span an interview. And one of my techie friends is hoping to "capture" the video.
Kev,
As Duck has explained, he doesn't acknowledge the threat from Islam.
Eyes,
You know if CAIRs PO'd, it was a good show!
Yes!
I understand that there was an interview with a rep from CAIR, in answer to Spencer's interview. I will search C-Span to see if that interview is also available. Morbid curiosity.
Mr. Beamish,
Your concoction would also keep the foxes and raccoons out of my trash!
Jason,
Spencer doesn't rant and rave. His demeanor does indeed give credence to what he's saying.
Gayle & WHT,
I hope that you get a chance to view the video before it disappears from the C-Span site. I believe that the videos there are available for 30 days from the date of broadcast.
Little Che Sucky the Cowardly Liar has, as usual given us a detailed agenda as to what the administration SHOULD be doing instead of their catastrophically failed agenda.
Uhhh, Little Che Sucky, I can't seem to find it. You DID include your solutions in your condemnation this time didn't you??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Little Che Sucky the Cowardly Liar,
well which is it?? We pushed them into a proxy war or we held them back from wiping out Hizbully? Or we kept them on a tight leash and they did EXACTLY WHAT WE TOLD THEM?!?
Of course, if you go with the leash or held back myth then you have to admit that Israel MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DESTROY HIZBULLY ANY TIME THEY WERE ALLOWED TO!!!!
The fact Hizbully wasn't destroyed and little was actually accomplished gives the lie to the idea of a proxy war. Why have Israel fight it if we plan on giving Hizbully a big propaganda victory??? We could do that without all the dead bodies and expended munitions (read spent millions).
Now, your excuse is that the Israeli military promptly LOST.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
About 10 to 1 kills isn't a loss unless the military you are fighting is OVER 10 times larger than yours and can replace the lost equipment SHORT TERM!!!
As Hizbully is smaller than the IDF and can not replace ANY of their equipment without supplies form their sponsors, which were largely being interdicted (read blown up MORON), there is a clear loss by Hizbully who was RESCUED by the US and Eurotrash forcing Israel to the Cease Fire table with an agreement that had nothing for either Hizbully or Israel.
Now, Olmert, admittedly being a LEFTY like you, didn't take much dragging cause he is a spineless pile of duck crap, just like you. Without the LEFTIES of your persuasion running Israel, I IMAGINE they would be reducing Damascus right now!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Lordy Cowardly, you are a HOOT today!!!
Been snortin' somethin' good??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You Patently STUPID Little Che Sucky Cowardly Liar!!!
His article in FrontPage Magazine today was most excellent. I just love that man. Not in a man/woman sort of way, in a hero-worship sort of way, heh
Debbie,
I haven't yet had time to check today's FPM, though email notification informed me that Spencer has a new article today.
Duck,
As this country
magically turned into a nation of muslim scholars in a few short years I'm surprised folks
aren't figuring out that the emporor has no clothes.
No magic involved, but a lot of research instead.
Kev,
Had algore or traitor john been elected, we'd have had a few more 9-11's, and then apologized for causing them.
It's the apologist attitude which is the problem with the West. I don't see that same attitude from Muslims, and therein lies their strength.
You saw how just policing took care of the first WTC bombing. It put a temporary band-aid on the ultimate threat.
In fact, didn't the 9/11 Commission address that problem? Not that the 9/11 Commission was of a great deal of use.
Anonymous,
Israel didn't finish the job. We can thank the appeasers and the "just-war" theorists for that.
Anonymous,
From that article in NRO:
As is already becoming clear, the ceasefire will be only partially implemented. Hezbollah will not be disarmed. The U.N. arms embargo on weapons from Iran and Syria will not be enforced. And the new UNIFIL force will have neither the numbers nor the material to enforce the ceasefire on unwilling warriors — especially if the Lebanese government begins to take its orders from the more powerful Hezbollah in its midst.
I note some similarities to the Munich Pact. Of course, there was no U.N. back then, but there were appeasers aplenty.
Anonymous,
Uhhh, Little Che Sucky, I can't seem to find it. You DID include your solutions in your condemnation this time didn't you??
Pim's Ghost and I have tried to encourage Duck to start his own blog. Alas! We've had no success (as far as I know).
AOW:
OT, but more like some good news that the LEFTIES will choke on!!
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6629
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yes, Israel did not finish the job. Now we will see if there are enough people still connected to reality there to throw Olmert and criminal friends into the trash bin and elect LEADERS who WILL!!!
Anonymous,
Great link! Excerpt:
On August 22, 1996, President Clinton signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, a bill that despite its obscure title represented the most extensive revision of federal welfare policy in more than 30 years. Among other things, the bill ended the legal entitlement to welfare benefits, established time limits and work requirements for participation in the program, and gave states much more authority to establish other requirements and restrictions.
At the time, most American liberals predicted disaster. As Katha Pollitt wrote in The New Republic, “wages will go down, families will fracture, millions of children will be made more miserable than ever.” One frequently cited study predicted that more than a million children would be thrown into poverty. Welfare advocates painted vivid pictures of families sleeping on sidewalks, widespread starvation, and worse. The New York Times opined, “the effect on our cities will be devastating.” Senator Frank Lautenberg, a Democrat of New Jersey, predicted “hungry and homeless children” would be walking our streets “begging for money, begging for food, even…engaging in prostitution.” The Nation prophesied that “people will die, businesses will close, infant mortality will soar.” You would have expected to step over bodies in the streets.
Ten years on, we see that these claims were about as correct as intelligence estimates on Iraq. Welfare rolls are down. As Health and Human Services statistics show, roughly 2.5 million families have left the program, a 57 percent decline. Some of this undoubtedly resulted from the growing economy, especially in the late 1990s, but today, welfare rolls remain down despite the post-9/11 economic slowdown.
At the same time, poverty rates remain well below those before welfare reform was enacted....
I remember the flap over welfare reform.
IMO, now we need something just as drastic for immigration reform.
The real pity about Israel's not finishing the job this time around is that the next time around (And there WILL be a next round!) will be more difficult. Hezbollah will be even better supplied by Iran and Syria.
The next election in Israel will be absolutely critical.
Anonymous,
Oh, and there's nothing I like better than watching Lefties choke. LOL.
Excerpt from CNN:
...The latest alleged plot to blow up trans-Atlantic airliners en route from London to the United States is said to bear all the hallmarks of al Qaeda. Those who track these events point out the plot was similar to one that was disrupted back in the 1990s. The bottom line: al Qaeda will keep trying an array of lethal plots.
That is why the movement and the man who inspires it remain so deadly relevant. Many will claim that hidden, bin Laden is not such a commanding figure, his power and aura vastly diminished. Yet that's not what his followers and admirers say. They believe that he leads a war between Islam and the West.
Michael Scheuer, who once headed the CIA's bin Laden unit, says bin Laden has been given permission by a young cleric in Saudi Arabia authorizing al Qaeda to "use nuclear weapons against the United States ... capping the casualties at 10 million."
"He's had an approval, a religious approval for 10 million deaths?" I asked him.
"Yes," Scheuer responded....
AOW,
Please answer the following questions (I know you know):
Is there anything wrong with learning about thee enemy?
Or do you have to have a university degree signed by Noam Chomsky to have a seal of approval from The Left Academy of Lies, Mass Murder and Deception?
How would you describe a person who spends his life time trying to understand a very large group of people (called humanity) without success? (I 'd call him: thick - very thick but I want your opinion). ;-)
Missing Link,
AOW,
Please answer the following questions (I know you know):
Is there anything wrong with learning about thee enemy?
No! Duh! Of course, learning about the enemy should not extend to understanding the enemy to the point of appeasement.
Didn't General Patton spend quite a bit of time analyzing the enemy's previous strategies? And if I recall correctly, Rommel did the same.
It is absolutely idiotic to twist oneself into a pretzel in an attempt to avoid offending the sensibilities of the enemy. In history, we see that demonizing the enemy is an important step in rallying the people's support against the enemy.
Or do you have to have a university degree signed by Noam Chomsky to have a seal of approval from The Left Academy of Lies, Mass Murder and Deception?
Universities today have moved far beyond what they used to be. By "far beyond" I don't mean a good quality. When I was in college, we studied ideas and facts, and when a professor decided to editorialize, he/she prefaced that remark with an alert (such as "The following is my opinion or my position"). The classes I attended had a wide range of students, ranging from far right to far left, and everything in between; the profs were the same, though those on the far left were very few and often didn't last long at the institution.
Research skills do not require a university degree, although I do, of course, have a degree. As a Spanish major, I learned very well how to do research using both English and Spanish sources.
IMO, the public library (and now the Internet) is the poor man's university--as the old adage says.
How would you describe a person who spends his life time trying to understand a very large group of people (called humanity) without success? (I 'd call him: thick - very thick but I want your opinion).
On overload? Garbage in and garbage out? An ostrich who just can't face the truth?
"Thick" is good too.
Duck,
I'm certainly no chemist. In fact, I've never taken a chemistry course.
This thread may not get much viewing right now. We'll see if anyone else comes along. But wasn't there a discussion about explosives at another threat on this site? As I have no knowledge of explosives, I didn't participate in that discussion.
As this countrymagically turned into a nation of muslim scholars in a few short years I'm surprised folksaren't figuring out that the emporor has no clothes. - Ducky
Ducky, Ducky, Ducky, in the five years since 9/11 one can go from freshman physics to quantum mechanics. Islam is much easier, trust me. Islam is easier than Christianity. I’m still not clear on the Trinity. Islam doesn’t have that problem. Islam is Monotheism for Dummies. It was made for camel-herders who became racist conquers and plunders, who needed to rationalize their crimes.
One doesn’t have to be a chemist to understand what jihadists want to do. One doesn’t have to have advanced degrees to understand a Hitler or Ahmadinajad. If you can’t see the similarity just because Mad Jad doesn’t speak German, you need help.
AOW,
yes Little Che Sucky was answered in detail on another thread. He simply has to attempt to leave duck crap all over the e-world in accordance with his dietary habits.
Little Che Sucky MORON,
the fact that what a terrorist is PLANNING may or may not work in no way invalidates the need to investigate them, track their information, monetary, and personnel sources, and LOCK THEM UP BEFORE THEY FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK!!!!
What you are missing is the fact that mixing the ingredients could cause the very explosion, penetrating the fuselage, that the terrorist WANTS!!
You freaking lefties are soooooo ignorant that you imply that a SUCCESSFUL NON-Explosive mix and dry is REQUIRED. That the dried mix is then the only thing that will work.
Bubbah, screwing up the mixing and becoming a martyr a few seconds before everyone else is a perfectly acceptable outcome!!! They want to destroy the WHOLE plane and ALL the passengers including themselves.
If you haven't noticed, there has been no reports of the loons taking parachutes, so, they would appear to be planning on it being a SUICIDE ATTACK.
HAS THIS GOTTEN THROUGH YET YOU MORON?????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good to see your name Kuhnkat.
;-)
Ha! Nanc was right, again! Hello Kuhnkat! Long time no MBC! Is that a trophy for running? What did you get? I don't(can't)rheumatoid arthritis prevents a lot, when I can, I walk!
good to "see" you again!
tmw
KuhnKat,
You are the laughing Anonymous, huh? Good to have your name now instead of "Anonymous."
As you've probably guessed, I never commented at MBC or even at FPM. I came into the blogosphere in April of 2005, found Mustang, Beak, and others. I think my springboard was Jason, who had left a comment at Jihad Watch. Then, after being laid up for the summer of 2005 because of a car accident, I blogged my fingers off.
Anywaaaay, glad to be able to call you "by name" now!
KuhnKat,
If you can swim or bicycle they are also very good to keep the circulatory and endocrine systems healthy!!
I love to bike, but the doc has restricted me to walking and swimming. But the walking hurts! Not arthritis, though I have a touch of it. My problem is this miserable back-pain, which has yet to be diagnosed--not for lack of trying on my part. But the wheels of an HMO grind so very slowly.
So...I swim, every day this summer (as the doc ordered). And what a difference it has made in how I feel! Plus, I sleep soundly after all those laps.
And thank you for the compliment on this site. Warren helped me quite a bit. He's my avatar guy and my blog-guru.
yup - that's him!
welcome back, kuhnkat. at the risk of sounding like a sissy-girl (blech!) - i've missed you. ODG - somebody shut me up!
Congrats on the 2nd place! When my late was still alive, we lived in Santa Cruz and San Jose and hiked in the Santa Cruz mountains, beautiful country! Ever been to the Pinnacles? That is a neat place! Ano Nuevo was great for elephant seals!
tmw
Nanc,
You're gushing! LOL.
no i'm not...
Kuhnkat,
It is sooo sad that we seem to produce more than our share of LEFTARDS.
Somehow they follow prosperity. I don't fully understand it but they are very scarse in Cuba.
I mean wouldn't that be a nice gesture if Danny Glover asked for political asylum in Cuba?
I am sute his mate Fidel would embrace him and other Left Coast sages like Nicholson with a happy smile.
The first attempt on the WTC wasn't as bad as it might have been, but it caused a lot of the kind of chaos terrorists bank on.
A friend of mine was corporate security director at the time for a major brokerage firm headquartered there and he gave me a blow-by-blow account of his own experiences, like smoke pouring out of the stairwells high up in the building and a complete lack of communications -- evidently whoever designed the building had the primary and back-up power sources in the same place, and that's where the explosion occurred as well.
He had to expedite moving hundreds of trading floor personnel to a secondary location for the opening of the trading day at the other end of the weekend.
Terrorism is more about the effect it has on the living than it is about those it murders, which only goes to show how sick these folks are -- death of innocent people, to them, is what a screwdriver is to a carpenter.
I find it very difficult to differentiate between terrorists and the Mr. Duck types that vouch for them.
I don’t know if you remember David Forte, the guy who sold Bush on Islam after 9/11 but he’s at it again. Now he’s pushing the Mohammad-was-spiritual but in the next few hundred years the Capliphs bastardized Islam for political purposes. TigerHawk is falling for it but we’re warning him that his is bunk. Some people want to dream ...
Jason,
I do indeed remember David Forte. I believe that I saw information on him over at Pedestrian Infidel. I'll take a look at the link you left. I'll also check Paul Sperry's Infiltration to see if Forte is mentioned therein; Grover Norquist is mentioned in Sperry's book, of course.
Thanks for leaving the info.
Seth,
I find it very difficult to differentiate between terrorists and the Mr. Duck types that vouch for them.
Very true. But ..both types are just foot soldiers for their ideologies.
If you kill (eliminate one) there will be another lobotomized idiot tomorrow, happy to die for the cause (whether it is Islam or Marxism makes no difference).
Addressing legitimacy of both Islam and Marxism becomes the most important issue, which has to be addressed sooner rather than later.
Until this is addressed (and this is just the beginning) our security measures will penalize the victim – us.
All that just to prove a bogus premise that we should support the rights of every child molester, potential mass murderer, and criminal to have a say (education, media) and tax deductions for running various NGO’s, ‘charities and even our education system.
Thanks for helping out. TigerHawk gets over 2000 hits a day, more than IBA. I thought his readers should have one or two calmly reasoned posts that encourage them to look further. TH is still up in the air about this. His knowledge is more in the political and military areas.
I didn’t remember the details about Forte, I’m glad you remember the Sperry book. Maybe he’ll take a look; he read quite a few books. Given his background, that’s the right book for him.
Jason,
I checked Sperry's book because I thought I recalled mention of David Forte in the first few pages. I have a pretty good memory as to where something or someone has been mentioned, but I can't always recall the details. No wonder I have so many books in my house!
Glad to help out. Thanks for alerting me.
Seth,
Those of us concerned about terrorism are labeled as either bigoted or paranoid. But the fact remains that the jihadomaniacs are persistent, much more persistent that many Americans want to think about.
Missing Link,
If you kill (eliminate one) there will be another lobotomized idiot tomorrow, happy to die for the cause (whether it is Islam or Marxism makes no difference).
Addressing legitimacy of both Islam and Marxism becomes the most important issue, which has to be addressed sooner rather than later.
Islamic utopians and leftist utopians--cut from the same cloth.
KuhnKat,
Sucky, My avatar can outrun YOUR avatar!!
Hehehe.
What is it with Duck's recent changes in avatars? Perhaps he wants to disguise his comments? Nah!
Missing Link --
I don't like the way things are shaping up at all, re both the marxists within and the Muslims without, so to speak. I believe that in the not too distant future, some really tough choices will need to be made that will completely change this country in a way we (assuming we'll all still be around) aren't going to like.
AOW --
As long as they don't call me late for dinner.
I think the Duck is into an image thing. First he was trying (and failing) to look like a secret agent, now he's being the rough individualist.
That's not working well either, at least not the rough part, LOL.
KuhnKat,
Cinematic types are into symbolism and metaphor--much more so than those of us closely attuned to the printed word.
We know that Duck is a left-winger, but is he left-handed too? I suspect that he's "the right-brained type." And I don't mean "right" in the sense of "conservative." LOL.
Just a thought here becasue I've been working on lesson plans for the past two days...Have you, by chance, taken a look at any of the SAT essay-prompts? I see those prompts as getting weirder and weirder, as well as moving noticeably left.
Seth,
The outlook is so depressing. I fear that the tough decisions will be postponed as those same types of decisions were postponed in the 1930s by means of appeasement.
KuhnKat,
I schedule timed-essay sessions for my groups of homeschoolers. Because they have good writing skills, they can organize a coherent and cogent essay. But the slant of the essay-prompts is now giving these students a bit of difficulty in responding to the prompts.
Here is an example of a prompt used in June, 2006:
People are often told to obey the rules. In reality, these rules are not permanent: what is right at a given point in time may be declared wrong at another time and vice versa. The world changes so rapidly that rules are out-of-date almost as soon as they are created. People cannot rely on established guidelines to determine what they should and should not do.
Adapted from Gregory D. Foster, "Ethics: Time to Revisit the Basics"
Assignment:
Are established rules too limited to guide people in real-life situations? Plan and write an essay in which you develop your point of view on this issue. Support your position with reasoning and examples taken from your reading, studies, experience, or observations.
I haven't as yet given my students this particular prompt. [Heads up, any of my students reading this blog!] But you can see that the very tone of it undermines what many homeschool parents are trying to avoid by leaving public education.
The students often complain about certain reading selections too. "Too weird!" some of them have said.
I didn't do as well on my College Boards as you did with regard to the math section (My verbal section was 40 points off perfect, and I've had done better had I not made mistakes coordinating the bubble sheet with the test booklet), but then again, I took my test in 10th grade. UVA accepted my test results as it was already established that I wouldn't be a math major.
Kuhnkat- So you were one of those that used to irritate the heehaw outta me! Go to the mountains to get away from cheek by jowl living, then either get run off the trail by power walkers, blared off by ghetto blaster strollers or blown off the mountain by somebody on a bike! Yeesh, that's one of the problems with Californiastan, TOO MANY PEOPLE! You can't get away from them! we used to go to Rancho San Antonio and we'd be watching some neat wildlife and invariably some unconscious idjit would come around the corner and scare it off! If I told you what happened to us out there you would understand why we'd never set foot in that state again!
But I'm glad you did see the Pinnacles, climbing around was fun1
tmw
P.S. Plucky- Anyone tell you lately that your namesake has more sense?
KuhnKat,
Thank you for the compliment.
All my maternal ancestors were "math people." I took after my father's side, almost exclusively inclined to language arts and music. I've always been an avid reader, and I love words. My early exposure to Latin is partly responsible for my interest in words.
If I use the above SAT prompt with my class this year, they'll "trash" it. The homeschool group with which I work is of Christian orientation.
KuhnKat,
I've thought about staying away from troublesome prompts, and I most often do. But the problem with that method is that the students might be broadsided when they actually take the SAT. So I guess that we'll have to work on dissecting and disagreeing with a prompt.
When the essay portion was first added to "The New SAT," the prompts were more or less neutral as were the prompts for the SAT II Writing Test. The June SAT test, however, marked a change--not a good one. It's becoming more and more difficult for Christian highschoolers to get into the prestigious universities. I just don't see any way for the essay evaluators to keep their personal feelings out of grading those essays. Sure, the official guide for the evaluators stresses objectivity. But look at how the above prompt was worded!
This coming term, my SAT-Prep classes will be concentrating on the essay and on the reading portion. The latter has issues as well, but because the questions are in multiple-choice format, sound test-taking strategies help the students to overcome the blatant slant of some of the material.
"People are often told to obey the rules. In reality, these rules are not permanent: what is right at a given point in time may be declared wrong at another time and vice versa. The world changes so rapidly that rules are out-of-date almost as soon as they are created. People cannot rely on established guidelines to determine what they should and should not do.
Adapted from Gregory D. Foster, "Ethics: Time to Revisit the Basics"
Assignment:
Are established rules too limited to guide people in real-life situations? Plan and write an essay in which you develop your point of view on this issue. Support your position with reasoning and examples taken from your reading, studies, experience, or observations"
As I sit here, in the real-life situation of taking the SAT, I find that the assignment of planning and writing an essay on the limitations of established rules to be too limited.
Obstensibly, the assignment is to showcase my scholastic aptitude in writing to an allegedly objective judge, but who wrote the rules on that?
Screw it. I'm going to write about the effects of sarcasm on political discourse.
Mr. Beamish,
LOL. But I'd hate to tell you the grade I'd give you if you submitted that essay in my class. ;^)
I think that I've chosen a good prompt with which to begin the year. Not the above prompt, of course! Maybe a few students will write something worthy of posting here at AOW.
At least a C, I hope.
I probably would have gotten the full F-minus when the 2nd page of the essay blurred the lines between written communication and visual media, using the 3rd page folded into an origami water buffalo as an example.
Mr. Beamish,
At least a C, I hope.
I'm sorry to tell you that the evaluation guidelines for the essay evaluators specifies that your strategy for tackling the topic forbid such a creative approach. The writer is not allowed to "attack" the prompt. The length of the essay is restricted to two pages, so the origami would have to be the second page.
Now, the above is information about the official guidelines. The grade I'd give for your essay as a teacher would diverge substantially from the official guidelines--especially if I considered satire.
This portion is worth an A+ in MY gradebook: I will write about that which I feel is interesting. That is, the ignorance of LEFTARD educators that couldn't survive in the world without conservatives doing the work to feed them.
KuhnKat,
As you know, Mr. Beamish is capable of acerbic satire. Have you seen his guide for handling the Koran? It is HERE.
It's okay, AOW. I wouldn't want to attend a college or university that would admit me for passing that SAT prompt.
Mr. Beamish,
I wouldn't want to attend a college or university that would admit me for passing that SAT prompt.
My prediction of what we'll see in the next few years...Certain colleges will decide that the essay for the SAT is inappropriate and will have students write their essays during a supervised session at the college itself. Unfortunately, most of the larger colleges and public universities won't be able to take that step because of logistics problems.
I'm seeing the SAT essays now as a screening device--one used to keep conservatives out of particular schools. So much for the free exchange of ideas and the very concept of a university.
Now, here's something quite serious to think about....West Point and other military academies (as well as all the Ivy Leagues) require taking those SAT's. The essay score is lumped in with the math and verbal scores, and most colleges require a minimum combined-score.
As to why College Board originally went to the timed essay under the watchful eyes of proctors, there was too much cheating on the usual college-apps, the ones which require the writing of an essay. Also, in the zealotry of not discriminating against those with learning differences (often referred to as "learning disabilities"), colleges have been swamped with students who could complete successfully anything but multiple-choice or true-false tests. A little known fact: Colleges can request a copy of the SAT essay; penmanship problems and certain types of spelling errors are dead give-aways that a student has learning issues.
Another of my predictions...Litigation over those essays!
I could go on and on, but my fingers are tired.
One of the deciding factors in my dropping out of college (apart from personal problems) was that I was being loaned money from the federal government to attend classes that instilled an unhealthy disrespect for America. Jumping through the hoops to get the "A" in a liberal arts program at the expense of my conscience and soul was bad enough without having to pay for it financially for a decade plus interest. That's how I felt somewhat fresh out of high school.
Now that I'm older, wiser, and more cynical, going "back to school" has an appeal. (I'm planning on completing my degree next year) The instructor / student dynamic will be altered by the age gap being shrunk or non-existent.
Mr. Beamish,
When I was attending college, leftism was present but neither pervasive nor dominant. Therefore, I had a minimum of jumping through the hoops--some, but not a lot. And not having to pay back a loan helps one's outlook, I think.
Stick to your determination to get that degree! I wonder if you'll notice a lowering of educational standards?
The lack of age gap between instructor and student could work for you or against you.
KuhnKat,
Yes, I saw that video. Is there a law suit pending? I've heard rumors.
KuhnKat,
How about those who WROTE the prompt and ASSIGNED it to the educators??? Can the writer attack them??
The prompt is available on the web. As College Board designed that prompt, any of us could object.
The lack of age gap between instructor and student could work for you or against you.
I'm more confident to cry "bullshit" in an academic setting than I was in youth ;)
I think it's a great essay prompt. I doubt that many high school students will answer the question without being unduly influenced by the prompt, but it does force one to consider the counterargument before drafting a response.
...and that should slow down and screen out anyone with half a brain... and the remainder should make great journalists for the NY Times!
It must be time to play Stump the Geek!
Farmer,
From that link you left (emphases mine):
The high school class of 2006 recorded the sharpest drop in SAT scores in 31 years...
The results come several months after numerous colleges reported surprisingly low SAT scores for this year's incoming college freshmen....
The average critical reading score fell from 508 to 503, while math dropped from 520 to 518. On the new SAT writing section, the class scored 497 on average, with girls scoring 11 points higher than boys....
In addition to the new writing section, the exam taken by the class of 2006 had other new features, including higher-level math and the elimination of analogies.
The College Board noted the drop in math scores amounts to one-fifth of one test question, and the reading to one-half of one question. But over about 1.5 million test-takers such drops are significant, and this was the biggest year-to-year decline since the class of 1975.
The results come two weeks after it was announced the class of 2006 had posted the biggest score increase in 20 years on the rival ACT exam. The ACT, which is also accepted by almost all colleges that require standardized tests, is generally more focused on material covered in high school classes than the SAT, which is more of a measure of general ability....
Instead, the College Board explained the drop by saying fewer students were taking the exam a second time, which typically boosts scores 30 points. The price of the test has risen from $28.50 to $41.50, though fees are sometimes waived....
Something to keep in mind here: more students prepped for the New SAT than in the past. Still, the scores were down?
Also, some inaccuracies in scoring the New SAT have been reported over the past several months.
BTW, very few of the major universities will admit a student who scores less than 500 on any given section. Often, the essay score pulls down the overall score for that section.
KuhnKat,
What a time for a live microphone! Bwhahahahaha!
KuhnKat,
Have you ever heard any of the "Bloopers" albums? The oldest recorded blooper is "And now the President of the United States--"Herboot Heever!" Or something like that.
On the new SAT writing section, the class scored 497 on average, with girls scoring 11 points higher than boys...
All that gossipy note-passing pays off I guess ;)
Mr. Beamish,
I keep my students very busy in class, so there's not much note-passing.
Females TEND to be more verbal than males.
KuhnKat,
Somewhere in my collections of vinyls, I have Bloopers albums. I should dig those out because I howl with laughter every time I hear certain tracks.
Females TEND to be more verbal than males.
Especially with cell phones. ;)
Mr. Beamish,
When I'm driving, especially during rush hour (!!!), I see just as many men yapping on cell phones as I do women. Maybe their wives or girlfriends called them first.
When it comes to the landline phone, women definitely are more skilled. LOL.
Farmer,
I think it's a great essay prompt. I doubt that many high school students will answer the question without being unduly influenced by the prompt, but it does force one to consider the counterargument before drafting a response.
The time limit is 25 minutes. I don't think that's enough time for that particular prompt.
I holde a slightly more cynical view. The test writers are simply ignorant and don't know what they are doing!
KuhnKat,
The quality and consistency of the prompts continue to undergo change. Also, the prompts have changed significantly since the essay was added to the SAT in March 2005.
At first, the prompts were very similar to those used for the SAT II Writing Test (a separate test from the old SAT). Go HERE to see a list of prompts from March 2005 through June 2006. The early prompts were identical or similar to the prompts used for the SAT II Writing Test and were "neutral," allowing students of any political persuasion equal advantage--in other words, a level playing field.
In the early days of prepping for the New-SAT essay, just as with the SAT II Writing Test, emphasis was placed on standard, three-part organization (introduction with a thesis statement narrowing down the topic, development, conclusion); five paragraphs were recommended, and four the absolute minimum. Learning this method of writing requires time, not merely a few weeks' preparation.
I now note a difference in the prompts; some are obviously of leftist slant, others of the touchie-feelie type. I suspect that the essays submitted were not very good for the New-SAT in the early days of the test. Prior to March 2005, when only the SAT II Writing test required the writing of a timed essay, only truly competent students had to compose an essay, and students taking the SAT II Writing Test were expected to follow the standard three-part organization for expository essays.
Now various SAT-prep services now tell students something like the following: "Forget the thesis statement. Just jump right into the development. Stick to one example, probably a personal anecdote." Looking for creativity? Covering up for poor teaching in our nation's high schools? You decide. LOL.
See THIS PDF FILE for actual samples of essays written. The site also provides the score for each essay--maximum of 6 from an evaluator for each individual essay. The latter is the basic info about scoring; I won't go into a lot of detail unless you need me to do so.
AOW,
I almost got fired from a "customer service representative" job once. A woman with a cell phone held to her face stepped up to my counter and was gab-gab-gab-gab-gab on the phone, absolutely no freaking breaks or pauses for breath whatsoever. If there was anyone on the other side of the phone conversation, they weren't getting in a word edgewise. Anyway, she walks up and instead of putting the phone away she stands there grunting and pointing while carrying on this incessantly unimportant (to me) conversation. Not only is she not acknowledging my existence in her little chatty world, she's holding up my line.
So, I reached up, took the phone away from her, turned the phone off, and set it on the counter.
This apparently upset her because she then begins screaming and raising hell. I responded with grunts and points, which seemed to infuriate her even more. Seeking to defuse the situation, I wrote down the phone number of the store, so she could use her cell phone to speak to me.
She stormed out in a huff. I still don't know what she wanted.
Kuhnkat,
Well, the longer she stood there gabbing on her cell phone, the longer she held up my line of customers, which in turn reduced the amount of time I could be getting paid to smoke a cigarette.
Priorities, man, priorities.
Hmmmm
No Duck sightings today. I will have to check if the boys at Gitmo have him.
So remember, next time you're in one of those walk up to the counter kinds of situations, the person behind the counter just wants you to shut the hell up and have a nice day somewhere the #$%^ else.
At least, until they've had their coffee.
I'm so glad I don't deal with "da public" that much anymore.
Mr. Beamish,
So you took her phone away from her? Good job! Reminds me of how I handle note-writing in class: I confiscate the note and, unless it's particularly foul, read it to the entire class. I've been accused of humiliating students and when I worked in public schools, was accused of "violating students' privacy" when I employed my note-handling technique. Oh, well. I've never had problems with note-writing in my classes.
Seeking to defuse the situation, I wrote down the phone number of the store, so she could use her cell phone to speak to me.
What a great touch! I don't doubt that she stormed out, and that was of benefit to the garage, too. Why? Because (1) she apparently didn't much care about getting her car fixed in the first place; (2) she thought that the world was hers and that everyone should step to her tune; (3) she would have been hard to reach when the job was done--her phone line would have been busy; and (4) you got to have a smoke sooner. Finally, she was such a MORON that she probably would have been a customer no self-respecting garage would want to deal with, anyway.
Beak,
Duck made a few comments to a different thread here today. I've seen less of him lately.
Hopefully, he is preparing for a new life in Gitmo.
Beak,
Hopefully, he is preparing for a new life in Gitmo.
Gitmo would be overflowing if we sent all our leftists there. LOL--sort of.
kuhnkat,
The ignorance I was talking about comes from thinking you know something that you don't. Such as the nature of reality...
In reality... People cannot rely on established guidelines to determine what they should and should not do.
It is a very sophisticated form of ignorance... of not knowing what you don't know.
that means the color red is red because someone told us it is! i knew it all along - why didn't we all think to question it before it got out of hand...we'll never make anybody believe it's really yellow in disguise...
AOW,
Oh this was before I was a grease monkey. This was a liquor store, hehehe.
Mr. Beamish,
I realized later that you might not have meant auto service-manager. But I got busy discussing "brain stuff" with Farmer and never got back here.
The cell-phone moron was even more disrespectful by yapping in a liquor store. And she left without her purchase(s)? A true MORON!
Farmer,
It is a very sophisticated form of ignorance... of not knowing what you don't know.
Sophisticated? I'd use another adjective, but I won't type it in here. LOL. Family site and all that.
Nanc,
How do we know strawberries don't taste like pork chops to someone else's tongue?
Mr. Beamish,
How do we know strawberries don't taste like pork chops to someone else's tongue?
We don't! And that might account for the term "different tastes"--literally.
MZ,
I don't always agree with Spencer on certain matters. But he does a lot to educate others about the Islamic threat. Can't have everything, I guess.
How do you deal with those who are on a "holy" mission to kill you? You don't threaten to cut their benefits or give them homework, you kill them before they kill you.
What Spencer does is try to get people to recognize that the "holy war" exists. Some he'll never convince, of course.
Spencer has admitted many times that Islam and Western ideals are incompatible. And what is the West going to do about that? Ignore the incompatibility? That what the media attempt to do.
i think watermelon rinds taste like cucumbers.
Nanc,
If those rinds are pickled?
that way and unpickled - i like the rind better than the watermelon itself. it's like getting to the heart of an artichoke.
Nanc,
Raw watermelon rind? Isn't that tough on the digestive system?
i'm happy to say i've never had digestive problems - i don't eat the outside green part! just the white before the green - with salt - yummy! but i like grilled jalapenos and serrano peppers also.
Ooh, I love spicy burritos.
Watermelon, not so much. HEHEHE!
Beamish, that story was TOO GOOD!
Brooke,
Nobody can tell a story like Mr. Beamish.
Nanc & Brooke,
I do better with Thai spices than I do with Mexican ones. My husband is the reverse.
Shakespeare, "Romeo & Juliet"...
JULIET
O Romeo, Romeo! wherefore art thou Romeo?
Deny thy father and refuse thy name;
Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love,
And I'll no longer be a Capulet.
ROMEO
[Aside] Shall I hear more, or shall I speak at this?
JULIET
'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.
ROMEO
I take thee at thy word:
Call me but love, and I'll be new baptized;
Henceforth I never will be Romeo.
JULIET
What man art thou that thus bescreen'd in night
So stumblest on my counsel?
ROMEO
By a name
I know not how to tell thee who I am:
My name, dear saint, is hateful to myself,
Because it is an enemy to thee;
Had I it written, I would tear the word.
JULIET
My ears have not yet drunk a hundred words
Of that tongue's utterance, yet I know the sound:
Art thou not Romeo and a Montague?
ROMEO
Neither, fair saint, if either thee dislike.
If a strawberry tasted like a pork chop...then a pork chop must taste sweet!
Even Ochkam's Razor wasn't built upon nominalism. It wouldn't have a consistent ontology or epistemology otherwise.
Kill them before they kill you?
There's a very insightful comment by 'Columba' about why it's impossible to reason with Muslims, at
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/012989.php#comments
"It's significant that most other belief systems (including secular ones) base their truth claims on ... well, truth. Someone converting to the belief system would do so on the grounds that the system had somehow proven itself to be a valid way of looking at everything.
Islam's call to conversion is entirely different; it's based on power. Not just the threat "convert or die," but even the claim that "Islam is stronger," a claim we've been hearing more frequently these days. Not that it's true, but that it holds power.
There's little attempt to convince intellectually, but rather a call to join the winning army: might makes right. And that's a powerful appeal to people already inclined toward arrogance and violence."
In other words, Islam is a cult for mindless thugs.
What the West Needs to Know
Really only two things -- target coordinates, and yield settings.
ROP,
Don't forget the original gig of Islam was Muhammad ransacking the idols out of the Kaaba in favor of his tribe's idol.
Look at what Islam has done wherever it has spread.
Islam is about monopolizing other people's holy sites and making them their own. The brute force, well, that's the charm of the racket once they can charge admission.
Ducky, oh stupid one.
You are totally incapable of learning. You only accept the drivel that agrees with your outmoded world view.
You are a flat-earther, a dead-ender. Most of what you claim to know is just outright wrong and you prove it every time you try to make a point.
When you are proven wrong, you just slink off and act like it never happened.
I have a question. Are you so full of yourself that you are incapable of believing you are wrong or is it cognative disonance?
Whatever, the effect is the same.
Anglicans with attitude???
The Church of England has quite a history of moonbats in the belfry. The worldwide Anglican/Episcopalian Church has long been a home for appeasers, Marxoids, fellow-travellers, Grauniad-readers, useful idiots, BBC-viewers and people too PC to become social workers. So I was amazed to find this anti-dhimmi Anglican organisation:
http://www.anglicansforisrael.com/aims
"Our Aims
1. To resist the call for a boycott of Israel.
2. To support the people of Israel and to secure defensible borders for the State of Israel.
3. To promote bonds of fellowship and interfaith understanding between Anglicans and the Jewish people.
4. To recall the Church to G-d’s Covenant with the Jewish people and to call the Church to affirm the centrality of Israel to the Jewish faith.
5. To call Anglicans to repentance for the wrongs-of both word and deed- inflicted by Christians on the Jewish people and the nation of Israel.
6. To fight all libels against Israel and the Jewish people and their State.
7. To promote reconciliation and ties of friendship between the people of Israel and the righteous Arabs who oppose terrorism and wish to have peaceful relations with Israel.
8. To protect the Christian communities threatened by Islamic extremism in the Middle East.
9. To bring the Church back to an understanding of the Jewish roots of our faith. "
These guys will obviously have their work cut out if they want to prevent the Anglicans going the same way as the dhimmi Presbyterians, who are boycotting Israel because: “…the occupation is the sole cause of the conflict. If the Israelis would return to the pre-June 1967 (1949 armistice) lines, there would be no Palestinian grievance and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would end along with the Muslim resentment of the West that it engenders.” From http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05089/479535.stm
The Anglican church matters far more than Presbyterians, because its worldwide membership is around 80 million, making it the second largest Christian denomination. It’s also active in front-line civilizational clash areas like Nigeria. The Muzzies would regard it as a major victory if they could subvert or subjugate the C of E.
So, all you bloggers out there – give http://www.anglicansforisrael.com a link. They’ll need all the support they can get!
ROP,
Anglican and Episcopalian aren't necessarily identical. In fact, here in the D.C. area, there is an Anglican branch (I don't recall the exact terminology for that particular branch, but I know that it's known for its study of the Old Testament) which uses the "old" prayerbook as opposed to the more interfaith one.
I noticed several Scottish names at the link you left, so I suspect that this particular branch is more orthodox. I don't know for sure, however.
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