"A Clash Between Two Opposites"
Doctor of psychiatry Wafa Sultan, named this year as Time Magazine's one of the 100 most influential people of the world in "A Daring Voice Calls For a New Islam," sharply criticized President Bush, according to the November 18, 2006 WorldNetDaily article "Bush empowering terrorists, charges vocal Islam critic":
President Bush is undermining criticism vital to the survival of Western civilization and empowering terrorist leaders by proclaiming Islam a "religion of peace," says one of the most outspoken critics to emerge from the Muslim world in recent years....In a February 21, 2006 interview on Al-Jazeera Television, Dr. Sultan stated the following:
She understands Bush's position as president and believes he is only trying to be diplomatic, but insists, nevertheless, his words are "empowering" Muslim leaders whose ultimate aim is for Islamic law to govern the world.
"I believe he undermines our credibility by saying that," said Sultan....
[She] told WND she would urge Bush to take a closer look at Islamic culture and its general embrace of violence as a means of establishment and expansion.
"Facts are very stubborn things. Facts are facts," she said. "If you are not familiar with Islamic culture, how can you claim Islam is a peaceful religion?"
The White House declined WND's request to respond to Sultan's comments....
"The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations....It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete....Read the entire WND article HERE, and watch the video of Dr. Sultan's interview on Al-Jazeera Television. According to the New York Times, this video has already been viewed at least one million times. If you've never seen this clip, you owe it to yourself to check it out.
"The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: 'I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger.' When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war...."
[Hat-tip to Nanc for alerting me this article in WorldNetDaily]
posted by Always On Watch @ 11/20/2006 08:14:00 PM
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32 Comments:
Terrorists want to go back to the "good old days" but I'm not going on that ride. Keep up the good work. Get the information out, because this is a great word-challene, not an Iraq problem nor a Middle East problem -- it's a world-wide problem.
I don't care if Bush says Islam tastes good with a beer as long as we're killing terrorists.
(Beamishism # 3,294,071 - collect them all!)
i don't believe bush will be the president to withstand this gwot, and there's nobody on the horizon...except perhaps rudy and then i have my doubts.
we have our own borders we cannot control. i'm with brooke - TANCREDO for potus...that is if beamish doesn't soon throw his gasmask into the ring. he does have an answer to everything perplexing our great country.
Wafa Sultan is beyond amazing!..not sure what happened to our President as of late but we need voices like hers to critique him!..ty AOW!
our president equates islam with peace. he should have stopped while he was even.
Roxie America,
Wafa Sultan's interview with Al-Jazeera made the news a lot last spring. I waited to post on it because we need the reminder again to counter some of the platitudes about Islam.
Nanc,
our president equates islam with peace.
I think that GWB believes that all religions speak to what is good in mankind. But does he know that Islam is the only religion not to have The Golden Rule?
IMO, GWB took to heart too much of what he heard in comparative religion and/or social studies classes at Yale. He and I went to college around the same time, and I think we heard similar fallacies. Those touchy-feely ideas sound appealing but have no basis in reality.
Islam has never been a religion of peace. Sure, there are Muslims who practice a peaceful form of Islam. But Dr. Sultan maintains that such is not the "true" Islam.
And since we all know that Islam is NOT a religion of peace, then all that is left in the word's meaning is SUBMISSION: ours.
The Duck will defer to people who do not speak Arabic like Fanon, Chomsky and Marx.
"Facts are very stubborn things. Facts are facts"
Still, some people seem to like to bang their heads against the wall. It took many a long time to see the evil of communism … from the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 to Churchill’s “Iron Curtain speech” in 1947. Some of our fellow citizens are still in denial about Islam. As Mustang points out it’s all about submission … conquering and bring others into submission … mental, spiritual, and physical submission.
Ms. Sultan is great. Not only what she says is right on the money but she’s an example of human hope – someone using her own mind and conscience to free herself from the dominant influence of her culture.
We are also being pushed aside in Somalia.
and the big yellow smear belongs to??????? Beuller? Beuller?
Clinton
So recommend a course change ducky... one that'll get us to our destination. Silence and under the breath muttering ain't gonna stop the push. All you'll be able to say is "I told you so", that is, if'n you want to say it in Arabic.
Waffa Sultan is one helluva lady!
She's seen both sides of the fence, and knows where the grass is greener.
She also knows exactly how the Muslims operate. The President would do well to quit mollycoddling the Islamo-fascists and start using more ordinance!
How this for victory... Osama dead. And nobody lookin' to fly airplanes into the Sears Tower or blow up cars in mid-town traffic NYC. As few deaths as possible to achieve 1 & 2 above. And on the want list... oil at $14 barrel.
...and leavin Iraq isn't a very good option to get you "as few deaths neccessary to achieve 1&2"
1) Prove it
2)...appeasement. That's your policy? You don't work for International A.N.S.W.E.R., do you?
3) I am. $14 oil means one hell of a supply.
4) Based upon you answer in 2, I simply point to WWII and my analysis proves itself.
...all we are saying.... is give appeasement a chance!
Idiot.
btw - Would you mind co-sponsoring a revived duck-and-cover program for primary and secondary schools? I've got a feelin' we'll soon be needing it with Democrats in charge.
...as you can see, I'm even willing to give you top billing!
...the Democrat's response to the terrorists...
"Please, please, don't hurt us!"
Dang.
Farmer John - 8.
Ducky - 0.
Back to topic: Bush needs to stop his declarations on Islam, period. I would hope he knows what he's doing, but then again, I woke up.
Bush is in a tough position. As president, he cannot say Islam is a backward religion of war but behind closed doors, I hope he understands Islam's true nature.
Clash of civilizations..religions or eras, it all comes to the same thing.
This is a life-and-death struggle. It might not fit the profile of past wars but the stakes are just as high if not higher.
Islam wants our freedoms..not for themselves but to take away from us.
Islam wants to impose a rigid seventh century doctrine in the form of an Islamic caliphate.
They will use our freedom against us. They have no morals..they willingly kill their own people if it helps their agenda.
Their own words say it best:
At the Battle of Qadisiyya in the year 636, when the commander of the Muslim forces, Khalid ibn Al-Walid, sent an emissary with a message from Caliph Abu Bakr to the Persian commander, Khosru. The message stated: "You [Khosru and his people] should convert to Islam, and then you will be safe, for if you don't, you should know that I have come to you with an army of men that love death, as you love life."
Just innocent fun, eh ducky?
Don't you even care about your Russian friends, mr. ducky?
So much for mr. ducky's prediction for decreased bloodshed should the US exit the region (last paragraph)
What I am saying is that Bush has screwed up so badly that we now have more angry muslims
Prior to 9/11 you had about 90% of Muslims in many a locale who’d say they hate America. The Pew Research Center in its yearly surveys puts bin Laden at the top of most admire in most Islamic nations after 9/11. So by invading Iraq we alienated that last 10% … oh, boy, now we’re in trouble!
C’mon. This is an old Monty Python routine: “now they hate you … now they HATE you … they hate you NOW … they NOW hate you …”
It’s getting stale Ducky, very stale. Let’s face it, they hate everyone: Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, etc. They problem isn’t that they hate us; it’s that they don’t fear us. Fifty years of appeasement and that’s what you get. After in initial incursion into Afghanistan and Iraq, they took notice. But then Bush went on an appeasement campaign to “win hearts and minds.” All the hard work was thrown down the drain. The only way to win respect in the Arab/Muslim world is to show no mercy. Neither Party has the guts. Nor is there a Patton among the top ranks. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Ducky,
What, all this time you leftists have been going on about how the Bush administration took away your Constitutional right to have private phone sex with Osama Bin Laden without being monitored was just an elaborate ruse to persuade the unconvinced that leftists will not stop until every single human being in the world knows the left is intellectually bankrupt?
Who am I to stop you?
Of course, this posting is not about the War in Iraq. Don't get me wrong--I don't mind tangents. But debating the merits of the War in Iraq is tangential to what Dr. Sultan had to say.
Focusing on the war as the root or the source of the troubles with Islam is ignoring the gist of what Dr. Sultan said. The "clash of opposites" predates the War in Iraq.
Jason said, They problem isn’t that they hate us; it’s that they don’t fear us.
I agree in part, though I'd say that with a coordinating conjunction: They problem is that they hate us and, at the same time, don’t fear us.
IMO, like it or not, fear of consequences is one major factor in keeping hate at bay.
From this article, which I spotted over at CUANAS:
...Khader insists that Islam and the West are not grappling with a clash of civilizations.
"It is clash between ideologies, democracy and not democracy," he says. "Between those who want democracy, modernity, respect for human rights, equality between gender, and the others who want the opposite."
Khader says it will be a long battle and won't be won during his lifetime....
And who is Khader?
Syrian-born Naser Khader is one of the Danish parliament's most vocal opponents of Islamic radicals.
Yes, that's more exact: "They problem is that they hate us and, at the same time, don’t fear us."
Besides wanting to take your Latin class, I could benefit from your English composition lessons.
By the way, in the Thanksgiving spirit, here’s a delightful lesson that Caroline Baum publishes each year. Happy Thanksgiving AOW & everyone!
Jason,
Besides wanting to take your Latin class, I could benefit from your English composition lessons.
Thank you for the compliments. But, you know, you're an excellent writer--good style and well-sourced. I don't have any complaints. ;)
I transferred some info from the link you left. Both Jamestown and Plymouth found out that the communal approach led to laziness and starvation.
Crusader,
Bush is in a tough position. As president, he cannot say Islam is a backward religion of war but behind closed doors, I hope he understands Islam's true nature.
Well, I'm not convinced that he truly understands. He wants to believe that there is "good Islam" and "bad Islam," IMO. And he invited some "good Muslims" to speak; a few of these "good Muslims" turned out not to be so good after all.
Steve,
Bush needs to stop his declarations on Islam, period.
I agree! He's only muddying the waters, as Dr. Sultan pointed out.
Cowards aren't even the half of it. G_d save us from the children of Weimar who today march to the 60s beat of progressivism!
We all know had that little episode ended the 1st time around. All we lack for a similar performance today is a few more economic pushes like Katrina from the Left (this time).
Yet their velite ducks from the New School for Social Research continue to march ahead of their phalanx... I've got to give them credit. They do know their history!
...and the Beat goes on!
La de da de dee, la de da de da!
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