Monday, November 20, 2006

"A Clash Between Two Opposites"

Doctor of psychiatry Wafa Sultan, named this year as Time Magazine's one of the 100 most influential people of the world in "A Daring Voice Calls For a New Islam," sharply criticized President Bush, according to the November 18, 2006 WorldNetDaily article "Bush empowering terrorists, charges vocal Islam critic":
President Bush is undermining criticism vital to the survival of Western civilization and empowering terrorist leaders by proclaiming Islam a "religion of peace," says one of the most outspoken critics to emerge from the Muslim world in recent years....

She understands Bush's position as president and believes he is only trying to be diplomatic, but insists, nevertheless, his words are "empowering" Muslim leaders whose ultimate aim is for Islamic law to govern the world.

"I believe he undermines our credibility by saying that," said Sultan....

[She] told WND she would urge Bush to take a closer look at Islamic culture and its general embrace of violence as a means of establishment and expansion.


"Facts are very stubborn things. Facts are facts," she said. "If you are not familiar with Islamic culture, how can you claim Islam is a peaceful religion?"

The White House declined WND's request to respond to Sultan's comments....
In a February 21, 2006 interview on Al-Jazeera Television, Dr. Sultan stated the following:
"The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations....It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete....

"The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: 'I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger.' When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war...."
Read the entire WND article HERE, and watch the video of Dr. Sultan's interview on Al-Jazeera Television. According to the New York Times, this video has already been viewed at least one million times. If you've never seen this clip, you owe it to yourself to check it out.

[Hat-tip to Nanc for alerting me this article in WorldNetDaily]

44 Comments:

At 11/20/2006 9:08 PM, Blogger RoxieAmerica said...

Terrorists want to go back to the "good old days" but I'm not going on that ride. Keep up the good work. Get the information out, because this is a great word-challene, not an Iraq problem nor a Middle East problem -- it's a world-wide problem.

 
At 11/20/2006 9:53 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I don't care if Bush says Islam tastes good with a beer as long as we're killing terrorists.

(Beamishism # 3,294,071 - collect them all!)

 
At 11/20/2006 10:08 PM, Blogger nanc said...

i don't believe bush will be the president to withstand this gwot, and there's nobody on the horizon...except perhaps rudy and then i have my doubts.

we have our own borders we cannot control. i'm with brooke - TANCREDO for potus...that is if beamish doesn't soon throw his gasmask into the ring. he does have an answer to everything perplexing our great country.

 
At 11/20/2006 10:19 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

Wafa Sultan is beyond amazing!..not sure what happened to our President as of late but we need voices like hers to critique him!..ty AOW!

 
At 11/20/2006 10:55 PM, Blogger nanc said...

our president equates islam with peace. he should have stopped while he was even.

 
At 11/21/2006 8:15 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Roxie America,
Wafa Sultan's interview with Al-Jazeera made the news a lot last spring. I waited to post on it because we need the reminder again to counter some of the platitudes about Islam.

Nanc,
our president equates islam with peace.

I think that GWB believes that all religions speak to what is good in mankind. But does he know that Islam is the only religion not to have The Golden Rule?

IMO, GWB took to heart too much of what he heard in comparative religion and/or social studies classes at Yale. He and I went to college around the same time, and I think we heard similar fallacies. Those touchy-feely ideas sound appealing but have no basis in reality.

Islam has never been a religion of peace. Sure, there are Muslims who practice a peaceful form of Islam. But Dr. Sultan maintains that such is not the "true" Islam.

 
At 11/21/2006 10:07 AM, Anonymous Mustang said...

And since we all know that Islam is NOT a religion of peace, then all that is left in the word's meaning is SUBMISSION: ours.

 
At 11/21/2006 10:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Duck will defer to people who do not speak Arabic like Fanon, Chomsky and Marx.

 
At 11/21/2006 10:51 AM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

"Facts are very stubborn things. Facts are facts"

Still, some people seem to like to bang their heads against the wall. It took many a long time to see the evil of communism … from the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 to Churchill’s “Iron Curtain speech” in 1947. Some of our fellow citizens are still in denial about Islam. As Mustang points out it’s all about submission … conquering and bring others into submission … mental, spiritual, and physical submission.

Ms. Sultan is great. Not only what she says is right on the money but she’s an example of human hope – someone using her own mind and conscience to free herself from the dominant influence of her culture.

 
At 11/21/2006 11:04 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

The Guardian and BBC have some interesting stories about Oman stating that President Incompetent is delivering Iraq to al-Qaeda.

We are also being pushed aside in Somalia.

I can hardly disagree that this administration has strengthened the militant hand greatly. Must be because we didn't use enough ordnance.

"Neck deep in the big muddy,
and the damn fool says push on."

 
At 11/21/2006 11:21 AM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...

We are also being pushed aside in Somalia.

and the big yellow smear belongs to??????? Beuller? Beuller?




Clinton

 
At 11/21/2006 11:25 AM, Blogger Farmer John said...

So recommend a course change ducky... one that'll get us to our destination. Silence and under the breath muttering ain't gonna stop the push. All you'll be able to say is "I told you so", that is, if'n you want to say it in Arabic.

 
At 11/21/2006 12:13 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Waffa Sultan is one helluva lady!

She's seen both sides of the fence, and knows where the grass is greener.

She also knows exactly how the Muslims operate. The President would do well to quit mollycoddling the Islamo-fascists and start using more ordinance!

 
At 11/21/2006 12:36 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Well Farmer, first thing I'd do is leave Iraq. Unfortunately to satisfy most there would have to be something done which convinced the right that we won.

Well, that probably means negotiating with Syria and iran. I notice that Syria now has diplomatic relations with iraq so that seems to be starting up.

Second I would get a grip and ask people like yourself to stop pissing their diapers. "Saying it in Arabic"? Are you completely loony?
We're going to be saying it in Spanish or Brazilian Portoguese anyhow but that's another topic.
The xenophobia needs to end.

Next I would remind you that you can stop with nonsense like "our destination" or "victory" unless you are willing to state just what the hell you are talking about.

That code can maen anything from "keeping the towel heads subservient" to "facilitiating the rapture". The right has managed to let its crazies do the talking so you have to rephrase things.

Will it mean that Israel makes accomodations and delays the rapture? Absolutely, if we are to solve this.

 
At 11/21/2006 12:48 PM, Blogger Farmer John said...

How this for victory... Osama dead. And nobody lookin' to fly airplanes into the Sears Tower or blow up cars in mid-town traffic NYC. As few deaths as possible to achieve 1 & 2 above. And on the want list... oil at $14 barrel.

 
At 11/21/2006 12:53 PM, Blogger Farmer John said...

...and leavin Iraq isn't a very good option to get you "as few deaths neccessary to achieve 1&2"

 
At 11/21/2006 1:09 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

1. Osama is dead. Go after the others.

2. You will never eliminate the desire to attack and if it were me I wouldn't encourage policies that increase the number of people who want to attack.
Remeber, 9-11 was very low tech and done for very short money. There are probably a hundred Afghani opium farmers today who could finance an attack.

3. $14 a barrel oil. I thought you were a free market guy.

4. You have no more idea than a freakin' stone what would happen when we leave. You make your best analysis and mine says that there may be blood for a while but over a period of time the bloodshed is less. Prove I'm wrong or keep spouting the rightard aphorisms .

 
At 11/21/2006 1:27 PM, Blogger Farmer John said...

1) Prove it

2)...appeasement. That's your policy? You don't work for International A.N.S.W.E.R., do you?

3) I am. $14 oil means one hell of a supply.

4) Based upon you answer in 2, I simply point to WWII and my analysis proves itself.

...all we are saying.... is give appeasement a chance!

Idiot.

 
At 11/21/2006 1:31 PM, Blogger Farmer John said...

btw - Would you mind co-sponsoring a revived duck-and-cover program for primary and secondary schools? I've got a feelin' we'll soon be needing it with Democrats in charge.

 
At 11/21/2006 1:32 PM, Blogger Farmer John said...

...as you can see, I'm even willing to give you top billing!

 
At 11/21/2006 1:59 PM, Blogger Farmer John said...

...the Democrat's response to the terrorists...

"Please, please, don't hurt us!"

 
At 11/21/2006 2:19 PM, Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

Dang.

Farmer John - 8.

Ducky - 0.

Back to topic: Bush needs to stop his declarations on Islam, period. I would hope he knows what he's doing, but then again, I woke up.

 
At 11/21/2006 2:38 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Bush is in a tough position. As president, he cannot say Islam is a backward religion of war but behind closed doors, I hope he understands Islam's true nature.
Clash of civilizations..religions or eras, it all comes to the same thing.
This is a life-and-death struggle. It might not fit the profile of past wars but the stakes are just as high if not higher.
Islam wants our freedoms..not for themselves but to take away from us.
Islam wants to impose a rigid seventh century doctrine in the form of an Islamic caliphate.
They will use our freedom against us. They have no morals..they willingly kill their own people if it helps their agenda.
Their own words say it best:
At the Battle of Qadisiyya in the year 636, when the commander of the Muslim forces, Khalid ibn Al-Walid, sent an emissary with a message from Caliph Abu Bakr to the Persian commander, Khosru. The message stated: "You [Khosru and his people] should convert to Islam, and then you will be safe, for if you don't, you should know that I have come to you with an army of men that love death, as you love life."

 
At 11/21/2006 2:44 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

"This is a life and death struggle. Stop right now, AC. Really, stop now.

Then you quote from a battle in 636?

Really, get a grip.

Why can't the right live without a bogey man? What is it about your psyches. I can't figure that out. And why is it that the ex-military are the foremost diaper pissers? is it because they must have armed conflict to give their lives meaning. That's very sad but I think its correctable.

 
At 11/21/2006 2:55 PM, Blogger Farmer John said...

Just innocent fun, eh ducky?

 
At 11/21/2006 2:58 PM, Blogger Farmer John said...

Don't you even care about your Russian friends, mr. ducky?

 
At 11/21/2006 3:20 PM, Blogger Farmer John said...

So much for mr. ducky's prediction for decreased bloodshed should the US exit the region (last paragraph)

 
At 11/21/2006 3:30 PM, Blogger Storm said...

Ducky Ducky Ducky

This is one of those rare instances where I am truly sorry for you.

Islamic Terrorism has been on the rise for decades. It was growing in Afghannistan throughout the Senior Pant load Admin. And in Africa and in South East Asia. A hundred years before it was in Saudi Arabia as Wahabism fanned the fires and swept the land. It only spreads and some of us may choose to ignore the signs now but make no mistake the goals are the same now as they were in 636. The Koran is fairly clear believe or die.

As for your NYT belief that Bush has caused terrorism, you could not be more wrong. Only by poking the nest does one realize how many bees are really in the hive.

Osama is dead? really where did you get that info from?

Farmer John is right on when we leave the region will likely pull apart. The only reason Iran is even interested is because a new Kurdish country would likely want a portion of both Irag and Iran and maybe even a little Turkey.

 
At 11/21/2006 3:58 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

That Bush has caused terrorism? Please, don't put words in my mouth or be silly.

I don't know how far back it goes. I think the earliest significant occurrence in American history may be the Molly McGuires. Then there were the Chicago anarchists.

Then the state of Israel perfected terror as a tool when bringing itself into existence.

Our terror bombing in Vietnam under Eisenhower when we chose to take over from the French.

It's nothing new in history. al-Qaeda was able to take advantage of our miserably lax cockpit security even though there had been warnings about cockpit access long before. Wouldn't want to burden the airlines with an expense. That would steam the Randoids. Free market will deal with it and all.


What I am saying is that Bush has screwed up so badly that we now have more angry muslims and with the oil and heroin money, lots of rich ones.

Farmer John is right, huh? When we leave the region will fall apart. here's a flash...it already has.

MAYBE an independent Kurdistan would try to move into Turkey? MAYBE?

 
At 11/21/2006 3:59 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

That Bush has caused terrorism? Please, don't put words in my mouth or be silly.

I don't know how far back it goes. I think the earliest significant occurrence in American history may be the Molly McGuires. Then there were the Chicago anarchists.

Then the state of Israel perfected terror as a tool when bringing itself into existence.

Our terror bombing in Vietnam under Eisenhower when we chose to take over from the French.

It's nothing new in history. al-Qaeda was able to take advantage of our miserably lax cockpit security even though there had been warnings about cockpit access long before. Wouldn't want to burden the airlines with an expense. That would steam the Randoids. Free market will deal with it and all.


What I am saying is that Bush has screwed up so badly that we now have more angry muslims and with the oil and heroin money, lots of rich ones.

Farmer John is right, huh? When we leave the region will fall apart. here's a flash...it already has.

MAYBE an independent Kurdistan would try to move into Turkey? MAYBE?

 
At 11/21/2006 4:01 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Ducky,

Would you like to take the time to review all the trembling by the left over the last 5 years about mythological civil rights violations due to the war on terrorism?

I do believe even you got in on the paranoia about phones being tapped.

Shut your "diaper pisser" rant down before I check out what books you look at in the library, you quivering pussy.

 
At 11/21/2006 4:36 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Why Beamish, I do believe i struck a nerve.

Informative as always however. You are my favorite one trick pony.

 
At 11/21/2006 4:49 PM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

What I am saying is that Bush has screwed up so badly that we now have more angry muslims

Prior to 9/11 you had about 90% of Muslims in many a locale who’d say they hate America. The Pew Research Center in its yearly surveys puts bin Laden at the top of most admire in most Islamic nations after 9/11. So by invading Iraq we alienated that last 10% … oh, boy, now we’re in trouble!

C’mon. This is an old Monty Python routine: “now they hate you … now they HATE you … they hate you NOW … they NOW hate you …”

It’s getting stale Ducky, very stale. Let’s face it, they hate everyone: Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, etc. They problem isn’t that they hate us; it’s that they don’t fear us. Fifty years of appeasement and that’s what you get. After in initial incursion into Afghanistan and Iraq, they took notice. But then Bush went on an appeasement campaign to “win hearts and minds.” All the hard work was thrown down the drain. The only way to win respect in the Arab/Muslim world is to show no mercy. Neither Party has the guts. Nor is there a Patton among the top ranks. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

 
At 11/21/2006 4:57 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

hi The Dear Leader here... i have got a messige for all the dick taters and teroirists out there... i am ready to exsept your un con dishinal surrender. be cause they are all real scared that i have got fredom on the march under my real good leader ship... it is marchin in iraq and in isreal too... and the dick taters is all real scared of all the sucsess my polisies are havin... so they better surender or i will liberate them real good.

now they say that wars kill peopl and stuff... and that makes it bad. well... it is real hard to make demo crasy.. and wen a contry gets it there is bombs goin off and stuff... and peopl die but it is real good be cause that is wat makes freedom... we are gona keep fitin the war until all the tirrany is gone... that is just the birth pains of fredom... and i give birth to freedom real good.

bye for now

 
At 11/21/2006 5:32 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Ducky,

What, all this time you leftists have been going on about how the Bush administration took away your Constitutional right to have private phone sex with Osama Bin Laden without being monitored was just an elaborate ruse to persuade the unconvinced that leftists will not stop until every single human being in the world knows the left is intellectually bankrupt?

Who am I to stop you?

 
At 11/21/2006 5:34 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

The NSA is rifling through your shitty Netflix receipts as we speak, Ducky!

Your rights are totaly demolished! Gone! The only thing left for you to do is rebel! Revolt! Take down this heinous tyranny in America!

What? You're not moved to action?

Pussy.

 
At 11/22/2006 6:47 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Of course, this posting is not about the War in Iraq. Don't get me wrong--I don't mind tangents. But debating the merits of the War in Iraq is tangential to what Dr. Sultan had to say.

Focusing on the war as the root or the source of the troubles with Islam is ignoring the gist of what Dr. Sultan said. The "clash of opposites" predates the War in Iraq.

Jason said, They problem isn’t that they hate us; it’s that they don’t fear us.

I agree in part, though I'd say that with a coordinating conjunction: They problem is that they hate us and, at the same time, don’t fear us.

IMO, like it or not, fear of consequences is one major factor in keeping hate at bay.

 
At 11/22/2006 7:33 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

From this article, which I spotted over at CUANAS:

...Khader insists that Islam and the West are not grappling with a clash of civilizations.

"It is clash between ideologies, democracy and not democracy," he says. "Between those who want democracy, modernity, respect for human rights, equality between gender, and the others who want the opposite."

Khader says it will be a long battle and won't be won during his lifetime....


And who is Khader?

Syrian-born Naser Khader is one of the Danish parliament's most vocal opponents of Islamic radicals.

 
At 11/22/2006 8:49 AM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

Yes, that's more exact: "They problem is that they hate us and, at the same time, don’t fear us."

Besides wanting to take your Latin class, I could benefit from your English composition lessons.

By the way, in the Thanksgiving spirit, here’s a delightful lesson that Caroline Baum publishes each year. Happy Thanksgiving AOW & everyone!

 
At 11/22/2006 1:15 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Jason,
Besides wanting to take your Latin class, I could benefit from your English composition lessons.

Thank you for the compliments. But, you know, you're an excellent writer--good style and well-sourced. I don't have any complaints. ;)

I transferred some info from the link you left. Both Jamestown and Plymouth found out that the communal approach led to laziness and starvation.

 
At 11/22/2006 1:22 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Crusader,
Bush is in a tough position. As president, he cannot say Islam is a backward religion of war but behind closed doors, I hope he understands Islam's true nature.

Well, I'm not convinced that he truly understands. He wants to believe that there is "good Islam" and "bad Islam," IMO. And he invited some "good Muslims" to speak; a few of these "good Muslims" turned out not to be so good after all.

 
At 11/22/2006 1:24 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Steve,
Bush needs to stop his declarations on Islam, period.

I agree! He's only muddying the waters, as Dr. Sultan pointed out.

 
At 11/22/2006 1:25 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Farmer,
the Democrat's response to the terrorists...

"Please, please, don't hurt us!"


Cowards!

 
At 11/22/2006 2:09 PM, Blogger Farmer John said...

Cowards aren't even the half of it. G_d save us from the children of Weimar who today march to the 60s beat of progressivism!

We all know had that little episode ended the 1st time around. All we lack for a similar performance today is a few more economic pushes like Katrina from the Left (this time).

Yet their velite ducks from the New School for Social Research continue to march ahead of their phalanx... I've got to give them credit. They do know their history!

...and the Beat goes on!
La de da de dee, la de da de da!

 

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