Friday, October 14, 2005

What About The Islamic Saudi Academy?

"Senate Will Probe Saudi Distribution Of Hate Materials (in its entirety)

"WASHINGTON - The American government is demanding that Saudi Arabia account for its distribution of hate material to American mosques, as the State Department pressed Saudi officials for answers last week and as the Senate later this month plans to investigate the propagation of radical Wahhabism on American shores.

"The flurry of activity comes months after a report from the Center for Religious Freedom discovered that dozens of mosques in major cities across the country, including New York, Washington, and Los Angeles, were distributing documents, bearing the seal of the government of Saudi Arabia, that incite Muslims to acts of violence and promote hatred of Jews and Christians.

"A Washington-based group that is part of the human rights organization Freedom House, the Center for Religious Freedom also found during its yearlong study that the Saudi-produced materials describe democracy and America as un-Islamic. They instruct recent Muslim immigrants to consider Americans as enemies and the materials urge new arrivals to use their time here as preparation for jihad. The documents also promote the version of Islam officially embraced by Saudi government and several of the September 11, 2001, hijackers, Wahhabism, as the only authentic Islam.

"In response to the Freedom House report and as part of the Saudi Arabia Accountability Act of 2005 sponsored by Senator Specter, a Republican of Pennsylvania, the Judiciary Committee - of which Senator Specter is chairman - will be holding hearings into the hate materials on October 25, a spokesman for the senator, William Reynolds, said yesterday.

"The Accountability Act, introduced in June, says its purpose is 'to halt Saudi support for institutions that fund, train, incite, encourage, or in any other way aid and abet terrorism, and to secure fully Saudi cooperation in the investigation of terrorist incidents.' The legislation is highly critical of the House of Saud for its support of terrorist activity and cites the January Freedom House report as evidence of the kingdom's complicity in the spread of radical Islamist ideology.

"As part of the Accountability Act, Senator Specter has in the past held Judiciary Committee hearings into Saudi financing of terrorism and Saudi Arabia's role in injecting ideology into textbooks for Palestinian Arab schoolchildren.

"Many of the details of the Judiciary Committee hearing later this month, Mr. Reynolds said, are still being arranged, including a final witness list. In the meantime, the committee expects testimony from the State Department, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Freedom House, and terrorism experts. The committee will press to determine whether the Saudi government has taken steps to stop the distribution of the materials, and will cull from witnesses recommendations to prevent their future dissemination, Mr. Reynolds said.

"Also demanding answers about the hate materials is the State Department's undersecretary for public diplomacy and public affairs, Karen Hughes. During a high-profile trip to the Middle East last week, Ms. Hughes said American representatives had addressed the propagation of Saudi hate material in America during private meetings with government officials.

"In a State Department briefing held en route to Ankara, Turkey, from Saudi Arabia last Tuesday, Ms. Hughes was asked why she had raised the issue that day during a public meeting with Saudi journalists, becoming the first Am'rican official to do so publicly. 'We had been raising the issue privately,' Ms. Hughes said, 'and as part of raising difficult issues that we need to discuss, I felt it was appropriate.' The undersecretary did not elaborate on the results of the private meetings, but the degree to which Saudi Arabia is making efforts to stop the propaganda will be a subject of the Senate hearings, Mr. Reynolds said.

"Requests for comment from the Embassy of Saudi Arabia yesterday were not returned."
According to Daniel Pipes, the report from Freedom House, an organization which sent Muslim volunteers into fifteen prominent mosques throughout the United States and collected materials disseminated by Saudi Arabia, shows that the following points are expounded in the distributed materials:

"Reject Christianity as a valid faith: Any Muslim who believes 'that churches are houses of God and that God is worshiped therein is an infidel.'

"Insist that Islamic law be applied: On a range of issues, from women (who must be veiled) to apostates from Islam ('should be killed'), the Saudi publications insist on full enforcement of Shariah in America.

"See non-Muslims as the enemy: 'Be dissociated from the infidels, hate them for their religion, leave them, never rely on them for support, do not admire them, and always oppose them in every way according to Islamic law.'

"See America as hostile territory: 'It is forbidden for a Muslim to become a citizen of a country governed by infidels because this is a means of acquiescing to their infidelity and accepting all their erroneous ways.'

"Prepare for war against America: 'To be true Muslims, we must prepare and be ready for jihad in Allah's way. It is the duty of the citizen and the government.'"
And while the Senate is taking a look at Saudi-funded materials distributed to mosques in the United States, perhaps scrutiny of certain Muslim schools should also be undertaken, starting with the nearby Islamic Saudi Academy, from which valedictiorian Ahmed Abu Ali, accused of conspiring with Al Qaeda to assassinate President Bush, graduated. According to this site:
"A few miles outside of Washington and a stone's throw from Mt. Vernon Plantation - George Washington's home - the Saudi government is teaching Wahhab Islam to hundreds of Muslim-American children. The school, called the Islamic Saudi Academy, is one of an estimated 200-600 in the U.S. that indoctrinate 30,000 students in the teachings of Koran...."
On February 25, 2005, the Washington Post published the following information in an article entitled "Where Two Worlds Collide":

"Eleventh-graders at the elite Islamic Saudi Academy in Northern Virginia study energy and matter in physics, write out differential equations in precalculus and read stories about slavery and the Puritans in English.

"Then they file into their Islamic studies class, where the textbooks tell them the Day of Judgment can't come until Jesus Christ returns to Earth, breaks the cross and converts everyone to Islam, and until Muslims start attacking Jews....

'With two lavish campuses in suburban Virginia, dozens of highly qualified teachers and accreditation from two respected organizations, the Islamic Saudi Academy stands out among Muslim schools in the Washington area.

"The academy educates the children of Arabic-speaking diplomats along with other children of differing heritages -- about 1,300 students altogether. But the financial support from the Saudi government brings with it a curriculum that reflects the particularly rigid strain of Islam practiced there, Muslim educators say.

"'One of the things the community has been concerned about for years is the Saudi influence and Saudi money,' said Amir Hussain, a California professor who has researched Muslim communities in North America. 'You have people who come in and say, "Hey, I'll build you a school." Then people begin to realize, if that school gets built with Saudi money, do we want that kind of curriculum?'

"The Islamic Saudi Academy does not require that U.S. history or government be taught, offering Arabic social studies as an alternative. Officials there said that only Saudis who intend to return home do not take U.S. history, though a handful of U.S.-born students who plan to stay in this country said they opted against it, too.

"School officials would not allow reporters to attend classes. But a number of students described the classroom instruction and provided copies of textbooks.

"Ali Al-Ahmed, whose Virginia-based Saudi Institute promotes religious tolerance in Saudi Arabia, has reviewed numerous textbooks used at the academy and said many passages promote hatred of non-Muslims and Shiite Muslims.

"The 11th-grade textbook, for example, says one sign of the Day of Judgment will be that Muslims will fight and kill Jews, who will hide behind trees that say: "Oh Muslim, Oh servant of God, here is a Jew hiding behind me. Come here and kill him."
Several students of different ages, all of whom asked not to be identified, said that in Islamic studies, they are taught that it is better to shun and even to dislike Christians, Jews and Shiite Muslims.

"Some teachers 'focus more on hatred,' said one teenager, who recited by memory the signs of the coming of the Day of Judgment. 'They teach students that whatever is kuffar [non-Muslim], it is okay for you' to hurt or steal from that person...

"None of the academy's officials would publicly address the students' statements. One, who spoke anonymously, said he had no knowledge of intolerant passages being assigned or intolerant views being taught. He said textbooks with such passages would be replaced soon....

"The schools are legally allowed to teach whatever they want -- as long as they meet state requirements -- but have a responsibility to be accurate, scholars say.

"'As a matter of educational policy, no, it's not a good idea to cross a nation off the map or to in any way misrepresent history,' said Charles Haynes, of the First Amendment Center in Arlington. 'It is a civic responsibility of all schools, religious and secular, to do the best job of educating students to a variety of perspectives...."
Additional information about Islamic schools in North American can be found here and here, both of which have links to explore.

Also see the detailed article, "How a Public School in Scottsdale, Arizona,Subjected Students to Islamic Indoctrination," from The Textbook League. The article begins like this:
"At the Mohave Middle School in Scottsdale, Arizona, students who took a 7th-grade social-studies course during the 2004-2005 school year were subjected to gross, prolonged indoctrination in Islam.

"Much of the indoctrination was delivered in a corrupt schoolbook titled History Alive! The Medieval World and Beyond, produced by a commercial publishing company that calls itself the Teachers' Curriculum Institute (TCI). The writers of History Alive! The Medieval World and Beyond, by relentlessly presenting Muslim religious tales and religious beliefs as matters of historical fact, have striven hard to induce students to embrace Islam."
Apparently, mosques aren't the only locations for promoting Islamification.

49 Comments:

At 10/14/2005 6:23 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Not only does the Saudi Arabian government help fund the school, so does our own...the United States. Children who qualify, receive vouchers from the government to help defray the costs of the school. Also, since they are a religious school, they receive special tax exempt status.

 
At 10/14/2005 6:42 PM, Blogger gandalf said...

What's new, this has been happening in the UK for years
many have protested only to be pillaried as Islamophobic, racist
or xenophobes.

 
At 10/14/2005 6:51 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

The second one points out that Sharia creates distinctions similar to 3/5 the far left screams Islamophobe. Are they going to excuse Islamo Aparthied in the PA or Saudi Arabia. I doubt it.

 
At 10/14/2005 8:05 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

American Crusader,
You are exactly correct about that tax-exempt status.

In the case of the ISA, the school got another break. The Alexandria branch of the school sits in old Mount Vernon High School, which is on prime real-estate-tax property in Fairfax County. As a religious school, ISA doesn't pay real-estate taxes, estimated to be about $250,000 per year at that location. Furthermore, many private schools attempted to lease Mt. Vernon High from Fairfax County--no go! Then along comes ISA, and they get the property for a nominal lease with an agreement to renovate the building. Well, they renovated something all right: the place is walled, complete with a gatehouse for a guard, and looks more like a military installation than a guard. I believe that ISA's "lease" for the Alexandria location should expire in 2007. Will it be "renewed"?

ISA did similar modifications to their location on Popes Head Road in southern Fairfax County. The Popes Head location was purchased outright and belongs to the government of Saudi Arabia.

 
At 10/14/2005 8:06 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Gandalf,
Yes, the same in the UK. And a price is paid for it.

 
At 10/14/2005 8:11 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak,
The left's ignoring of the 3/5 status amazes me. I guess such "cultural variance" is okay with the left.

 
At 10/14/2005 8:46 PM, Anonymous Mustang said...

Not to deviate from the topic, but I am getting sick to death of this "give peace a chance" BS constantly propagated by the left. We didn't start this mess, Arabs did — not all, but some who are determined to ruin it for everyone. Given what we know about ISA and other madrassahs, I cannot help but wonder about the motivations of Muslim parents who send their kids to such institutions. Remember, these young people will affect our future generations. If the ISA (et.al.) is intent upon filling the heads of these kids with hate, they would be well advised — for the sake of balance, to instruct them on how peaceful it was in Fallujah once the Army and Marines were finished with the radicals. Corpses, if anything, tend to be “peaceful.”

 
At 10/14/2005 11:05 PM, Blogger samwich said...

If I encourage someone to commit a criminal act the law calls that "Soliciting a Felony".

If I encourage someone to kill another person the law calls that
"Solicitation of Murder".

If I cheer them on while in commission of the crime the law calls that "Being an Accessory"

If I help the perpetrator get away the added charge is "Rendering Criminal assistance".

Ok Government we the people are waiting for goverment to enforce the law.
S...Soliciting Enforcement

 
At 10/15/2005 1:07 AM, Blogger Bassizzzt said...

I am going to forward this blog on to Paul Sperry; he will be deeply interested in what is being said here.

 
At 10/15/2005 1:12 AM, Blogger samwich said...

Give Peace a Chance:

"One sure method of conciliating a tiger is to allow oneself to be devoured".

Conrad Adenauer of Benjamin Disraeli, I'd have to dig through notes from thirty years ago to ponpoint it but I'm pretty sure it was Adenauer

 
At 10/15/2005 1:27 AM, Blogger samwich said...

CORRECTION:

"An infallible method of conciliatinig a tiger is to allow oneself to be devoured".
Konrad Adenauer.

Hey I got his last name right!!!!

 
At 10/15/2005 3:48 AM, Blogger samwich said...

More on Reader's Digest:
The cover is orange background, an unusual attention grabing color.
The photo of the early Beatles is the main story and targets the baby boomer market. The market which has opposed gun control laws most effectively.

The orange grabs your "attention",
the first rule of selling.
The Beatles maintains your "interest", the second rule of selling.
The red state blue state story plays on your "need" for peace, the third rule of selling.
The warm and fuzzy semiotics and subliminal lie about guns are a part of "Clinton Culture" mingles with the democrats are the party of peace lie and help instill the "desire" for a unified America.
1-ATTENTION
2-INTEREST
3-NEED
4-DESIRE...4 out of 5 in one story
5-CLOSE (get your vote for Hillary Clinton)

The 5th rule, get the "close" will come in some form in Reader's Digest soon.

Clionton's unconstitutional gun control laws are still on the books and still being enforced.
More will come.

More strategies and campaigns for Hillary will appear in other media.

S

 
At 10/15/2005 12:24 PM, Blogger Shah Alexander said...

It is dangerous to leave these schools as they are. Another Islamic revolution like Iran may happen. Saudi politicians are well aware of this?

 
At 10/15/2005 9:48 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Bassizzzt,
Thank you for sending this information on to Mr. Sperry. I have more observations of which I have personal knowledge.

 
At 10/15/2005 9:53 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Samwich,
Have you seen the November, 2005 issue of Ladies' Home Journal? Bill Clinton is on the cover, and the cover blurb says "President Bill Clinton Opens up about marriage, Chelsea, his health, the war and his new passion to save kids from obesity."

Clinton also was recently on the cover of Sunday newspaper insert Parade.

Thanks for the Adenaur quote. Appropo, isn't it?

 
At 10/15/2005 9:54 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Samwich,
Also, LHJ has an orange cover.

 
At 10/15/2005 9:58 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Shah,
Thank you for taking the time to stop by.

Certainly the Wahhabists know, and the House of Saud has relied on the Wahhabists to keep the House in power.

CAIR defends the ISA, by the way. No surprise there--CAIR receives funds from Saudi.

 
At 10/16/2005 12:53 AM, Blogger samwich said...

Wanna learn how to produce effective advertising???
You are looking in the right palce.

Attention
Interest
Need
Desire
Close

How warm and fuzzy the former First Fornicator is.....
Just like PeeWee Herman and Dinah Shore!!!!!!!

The Comeback Kid is coming back and bringing his loving faithful "Stand By Your Man" wife with him.

The BIG money is backing Hillary, who ever is the opponent is no real opponent.
S

 
At 10/16/2005 2:27 AM, Blogger samwich said...

CORRECTION: PeeWee Herman and Doris Day.
After PeeWee was convicted of indecently exposing himself in an xxx rated movie theater and laid low for a couple of years, Doris Day and a few other "clean" celebrities were used to resurect PeeWee's career.
S

 
At 10/16/2005 4:33 AM, Blogger David Schantz said...

Great post and interesting links. Or what I've seen of them so far have been, I'll have to finish checking them out later.

God Bless America, God Save The Republic.

 
At 10/16/2005 8:03 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Always and the others.

Here is mistake number one Islam is not a religion like Christianity. It seeks global domination and I am begining to wonder if freedom of religion applies. Should a religion that advocates destruction of our society be permited the same freedoms as Baptists. Our freedoms were not meant to be a noose.

A call to Jihad domestically is sedition and sedition is not protected free speech.

 
At 10/16/2005 3:30 PM, Anonymous Felis said...

"but the degree to which Saudi Arabia is making efforts to stop the propaganda will be a subject of the Senate hearings, Mr. Reynolds said."
Well, not the highest degree of efferts I must say.
Spreading their death cult in countries like US or OZ is only part of the problem.
SO called "schools" all over Asia and Africa would be another matter.
Does anybody really know to what extend these HOLY propaganda took hold of countries like Indonesia?
And it spreads very quickly.
30 years ago you could hardly see any hijabs on the streets of Jakarta.
Islam in this country was only skin deep but not anymore.

 
At 10/16/2005 8:57 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak,
When you wrote Here is mistake number one Islam is not a religion like Christianity. It seeks global domination and I am begining to wonder if freedom of religion applies.
As Jason has pointed out several times, Islam is first and foremost a geopolitical ideology. On many occasions, I have felt that Islam is an ideology in religious trappings, as opposed to a personal faith. If--and I am saying IF--the faith cannot be separated from entwinement with a system of governance, Islam has gone beyond being a personal faith. One thing is certain: Shari'a law isn't compatible with American ideals.

You are correct to question if religious freedom applies to Islam; certainly that freedom doesn't apply to any "religion" bent on destroying our nation. A very serious question, isn't it?

First Amendment rights were never intended to be a suicide pact!

 
At 10/16/2005 9:36 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Felis,
Western tolerance is a tool used by Islamists. At first, the Islamification is quiet and gradual, but it's also insidious. Once the pace picks up, the whole tone of the society has changed.

 
At 10/17/2005 2:15 AM, Anonymous Bozwell said...

"First Amendment rights were never intended to be a suicide pact!"

I couldn't agree more.

This makes for disturbing reading, excellent post!

 
At 10/17/2005 10:20 AM, Blogger Cubed © said...

Beakerkin,

"Here is mistake number one Islam is not a religion like Christianity."

You hit the nail on the head, and in fact, your assessment has wider applications than you were probably thinking of when you said it.

Funny, but our enemies have never concealed their intents, it is we who have refused to acknowledge them. "Anonymous" was right when he/she said something to the effect that one day we will take our heads out of the sand, probably propelled by an explosion.

Anyway, here is what one guy said about the difference between Christianity and Islam--I think you'll enjoy it: "Islam is not Christianity...Islam is the religion of agitation, revolution, blood, liberation and martyrdom." The author of this pearl was Sheikh Morteza Motahari, quoted in "Islamic Movements in the Last One Hundred Years," in Teharan in 1979.

The "wider application" I spoke of is that Islam is different from virtually every other religion on earth. Far too many people believe that the most important unifying factor is the shared belief in the divine. They believe that because of this, we are all essentially alike, and that one of these days, we will all get along because of this shared belief.

This belief creates a HUGE "blind spot" for an awful lot of people, and that's because while about 94% of the world's population shares a belief in the divine in one form or the other, that isn't the primary unifying factor.

The prime unifying factor is a shared MORAL CODE. A moral code is a set of values chosen to guide our thoughts and behavior.

In most religions, the fundamental value by which all others are measured is more or less based on human life; those thoughts and behaviors which tend to promote human life are considered "good," while those thoughts and behaviors which tend to threaten human life are considered "bad" (that human life as the "standard of the good" can be objectively derived from reality is correct, but far too complicated to go into here).

OK, that's most of the world, more or less. What about Islam?

The fundamental value by which all others are measured is the spread of Islam. All thoughts and behaviors which tend to support the spread of Islam are considered "good," even when they consist of murder and mayhem, while all thoughts and behaviors which tend to threaten the spread of Islam are considered "bad."

A lot of people wonder how it is that terrorists can sleep at night, look at themselves in a mirror, etc. The assumption is that because they have blown up school children, killed nearly 3000 innocents, stoned a woman to death, etc., they should feel guilty.

Well, they DON'T feel guilty; the reason they can sleep at night is because when they blow up some kids in a pizza parlor, they think, according to their moral code, that they have done something GOOD.

The failure to recognize this crucial difference between Islam and nearly every other religion in the world is our most significant "blind spot." Believers too often feel a warm fuzzy because of the shared belief in God; they fail to recognize that it is how we think and behave, as guided by our various moral codes, is the defining feature of the belief system.

 
At 10/17/2005 10:25 AM, Blogger Cubed © said...

P.S.

In light of the Iraqi election, even though the constitution is seriously flawed, I thought a comment by Komeini might be of interest to everyone: "If we...allow our rulers to be chosen by the ordinary people from among ordinary politicians, we will not have to wait long before we see the end of Islam."

This constitution doesn't "measure up," but it's the beginning of a process that might very well be the beginning of the end of Islam. Komeini was pretty astute when it came to what was necessary to keep Islam alive and well.

 
At 10/17/2005 11:42 AM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

Religion of Peace....

 
At 10/17/2005 5:38 PM, Anonymous Felis said...

"we will not have to wait long before we see the end of Islam."
And what's wrong with this idea?

 
At 10/17/2005 11:46 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Felis

There is another trend on the horizon . As more Muslims live in the decadent West (Europe)they will absorb the moral rot. It remains to be seen if Pop culture may not be the silver bullet that defuses Jihad.

 
At 10/18/2005 12:17 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

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At 10/18/2005 7:47 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Cubed,
You are so correct that comparing Islam with any other religions creates a blind spot. In fact, Islam is more a geopolitical ideology than it is a religion. As you know, Jason @

www.libertyandculture.blogspot.com

has posted on this topic numerous times.

And as you pointed out, In most religions, the fundamental value by which all others are measured is more or less based on human life. In many aways, Islam celebrates a culture of death as opposed to a culture of life: agitation, revolution, blood, liberation and martyrdom. I see some similarities with Marxism there.

I worry about that constitution in Iraq (Shari'a law is oppressive), but the widespread voting is indeed something new for a Muslim nation. That Khomeini quote you provided is very revealing.

 
At 10/18/2005 7:48 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Felis,
"The end of Islam"? You won't be boo-hooing either, right?

 
At 10/18/2005 7:50 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak,
As more Muslims live in the decadent West (Europe)they will absorb the moral rot. It remains to be seen if Pop culture may not be the silver bullet that defuses Jihad.
What an interesting thought! And it seems that Islamists may feel the same way. I've heard the term "Westoxification" used, to describe both culture and democracy.

 
At 10/18/2005 7:50 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

G,
Feel free to invite me to your blog any time. You can also email me, but I don't frequently check the account for this blog.

 
At 10/19/2005 8:14 AM, Blogger Cubed © said...

Beakerkin,

Across time, I think--I hope--your're right (re: the absorption of "moral rot" in the West), but it may take a while, and we will have to stand firm with our values in the meantime.

I wish I could remember where I saw it--maybe someone here saw it too--but there has been at least one study indicating that many first-generation Muslims born in Western countries become sort of "Super Muslims," practicing an exaggerated form of Islam even when their immigrant parents could be classified as "moderates." These characters are among those who get caught up in the mosques run by hysterical imams etc., and then go join groups figuring out ways to destroy the infidels.

Certainly some cases are different; certainly we've all heard about children--especially girls--of immigrant Muslims who were punished with death for adopting "moral rot"--things like dating, marrying without permission, etc.

Let's all keep our fingers crossed that by the third or fourth generation many of these kids will have (first choice) abandoned Islam altogether, or (second choice) have adopted a "compartmentalized" version, where they reject the religious obligation to aid in the establishment of a world-wide caliphate, along with the principle that it's OK to kill the infidel as part of that process.

 
At 10/19/2005 12:39 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

new topic, same genre:

I actually found myself on the other side of a discussion yesterday with my local radio talk show guy.

Someone was complaining about the Rhamadhan (spelling?) stamp comming out. They thought that it was wrong for the US government to "be producing a stamp that celebrated a holiday of people that we are at war with."

My view on it was that as long as this nation has Muslim tax payers, we cannot ignore their holidays, yet still observe Christian and Jewish holidays.

While you know my views on the subject matter of the Islamo-Creep into your society... I just cannot find any way (while keeping my integraty) to say that the government should not be making Ali-stamps.

My suggestion to the talk show host was that to deny the Rhamadhan stamp would be to invite the ACLU in to then shut down every Christmas, Easter, Hajuanka (how ever you spell that thing), Pass-Over, etc...

I dont think that we have the liberty nor the privledge to pick which religions that make up our national body to observe....

Any takers?

P.S. thanks AOW. By the way, Pia says she is plenty happy with her age, and she actually enjoys it.

 
At 10/19/2005 2:22 PM, Blogger Bassizzzt said...

"I dont think that we have the liberty nor the privledge to pick which religions that make up our national body to observe...."

I agree.

This is the big problem where we're shooting ourselves in the foot. Our policies on religious freedom are what drives the fanatics from the left and all the nutcases like the guy who wants to ban the "under God" part of the Pledge of Allegiance.

In my own personal opinion, we need to review our freedoms and start restricting them if we are to remain safe. I would prefer giving up some civil liberties and even freedoms if it meant that my family and I could be safer from Muslim terror.

 
At 10/19/2005 2:24 PM, Blogger Bassizzzt said...

...on the same note, however, the overwhelming majority of Americans come under Christianity. It's our predominant religion. The naysayers from the left and the unGodly type will disagree, however.

Those disagreements and the ability for both sides to argue and defend one another are what makes America so great.

 
At 10/19/2005 9:30 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak and Cubed,
I believe that, over time, the "moral rot" might be absorbed. But time is an important factor. Do we have generations to wait for this modification to occur?

The definition of the silver bullet of "moral rot" might not be agreed upon by Westerners and Muslims--at least not in totality. And it's possible that some "moral rot" as antidote might not actually result in abandonment of the Islamist ideal as to the establishment of the worldwide caliphate. Furthermore, jihadists' plans to accomplish the establishment of the caliphate may eliminate the time to secularize or modernize Islamism, particularly if WMD's or nukes are used.

I also quote Cubed here: there has been at least one study indicating that many first-generation Muslims born in Western countries become sort of "Super Muslims," practicing an exaggerated form of Islam even when their immigrant parents could be classified as "moderates."
Maybe only one formal study, but I've read several anecdotal accounts which substantiate the above quote from Cubed. One source of similar information is the book Faith At War, written by a journalist from the WSJ. He was in Egypt on 9/11 and noted that the most Western-education Muslims were more militant than the Arab street; he found the same true in every Muslim country to which he traveled post-9/11. These militants saw "moral rot" (Democracy itself viewed as "moral rot") rejected it, and became, if not jihadists, strong supporters of jihad. I worry that we Westerners often overlook this phenomenon which flies in the face of our logic that once Western values and freedoms are experienced, all will want to join in. In this regard, what is going on now in Iraq is suprememly important.

Of interest here is the following link, which presents steps in the Islamification of America:
http://www.islam-in-focus.com/Press%20
Release%20Christmas%202002.htm

I really should post the salient points from the above link and allow for discussion. Perhaps I can get to that in a blog article soon.

 
At 10/19/2005 9:56 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

G and Bassizzzt,
I don't like that Eid stamp, but legally speaking, I see no way to forbid it--unless we examine what Ramadan stands for.

in 2003, Osama bin Laden gave a sermon on the first day of Eid; of course, that speech extolled the revelations of Allah to MTP (which Ramadan celebrates) as tacit persuasion for jihad.

What I'm saying here, G, is that I can see both sides of the argument regarding the Eid stamp. But as I think about it, I see no legal way to prevent the issuance of the stamp. And as long as I have the freedom not to use an Eid stamp, I guess that I am satisfied that issuing the stamp is legal.

Then we come back to the issue of Islam itself. Is it a geopolitical ideology (with which we are indeed at war) or is it a religion? I realize that the answer to this question is a controversial one.

Another related thought: Should a stamp be issued to honor the Church of Satan? Some state legislatures have recently dealt with the issue of Wiccan prayer in state-capitol buildings. To my knowledge, no state allows for Wiccan prayers to open legislative sessions.

Enough for tonight.

 
At 10/20/2005 6:32 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

G,
Found this information about Ramadan...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/
archives/008610.php :

"some of Muhammad's most celebrated battles took place during Ramadan, and exhorts Muslims to follow his example:
Combining fasting, the unique act of worship, with Jihad which is the Highest Intuition (Thurwat al-Sanam) of Islam, gave believing men and women of earlier generations an unbeatable combination that characterized Ramadan by battles of glory and victories over the unbelievers.
At least eight major battles took place in Ramadan, some, such as the Battle of the Ditch, the Battle of Tabuk, and the Battle of Hittin, were more significant than others, and one, the Battle of Badr, was a turning point for Islam as a religion."

Something to think about with regard to that Eid stamp.

 
At 10/20/2005 5:10 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

I fully understand not liking the stamp, but you cannot forbade it without opening the doors to the ACLU.

it's quite the moral quandary we find ourselves in... but thats why they call us the Good Guys.

 
At 10/22/2005 8:31 AM, Blogger Mark said...

Through our own folly, ignorance of Islam, and extreme tolerance of all religions, it seems that we have boxed ourselves into a corner. We continue to define Islam as a religion whereas, in actual fact, it is a political ideology first and foremost, but clothed in a deity. Had Nazism been clothed in a deity, it would seem that we'd have had no chance of stopping its advance. The same goes for communism. People are too timid to criticize another's religion. So the advance of Islam is gathering speed. The big question now is: Has its advance become unstoppable? Now that's a depressing thought!

 
At 10/23/2005 8:50 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mark,
You said Has its advance become unstoppable?

I think such might be the case, but I'm not the surrender type. You probably already guessed that!

Thanks for stopping by. You have an excellent site, and I have recommended it to some of my friends. They're not the commenting types, though

 
At 10/23/2005 8:51 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

G,
Good Guys have a tougher fight on their hands this time. Lots of other forces are subtly promoting Islamification.

 
At 10/25/2005 11:46 AM, Blogger Mark said...

AlwaysOnWatch:

Thanks for the compliment! Do stop by again soon. Your site is also excellent, by the way.

I realize that you are not the type to give in easily. For that matter, nor am I! We have a great struggle ahead: too many people are playing dhimmi. My own countrymen sometimes scare me: they seem to be so ill-informed about the threat Islam poses the free world. My Prime Minister frightens me even more! He panders to the Muslims; and that's unforgivable.

He especially frightens me with his soon-to-be introduced legislation - The Race and Religious Hatred Bill. This will effectively take away our freedom of speech, something the UK has long been famed for. And all to appease the Muslims! This is like the 1930s all over again!

Churchill must surely be turning in his grave!

 
At 10/25/2005 6:02 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mark,
The Race and Religious Hatred Bill. This will effectively take away our freedom of speech, something the UK has long been famed for. And all to appease the Muslims! This is like the 1930s all over again!
I can't believe that the world is going to stand by again until a certain line is crossed as a tyrannical ideology sweeps over Europe, and elsewhere too. But such appears to be the scenario.

Here in the United States, CAIR is pushing very hard to see that a hate-crimes law takes force. The bill in Congress right now is similar to the UK one you mentioned.

As you've probably noticed, I occasionally take a break from posting about this most serious of subjects. These diversions are my way of coping with the stress I feel as I look at the world situation. My mother's last words to me were "Take care of your health," and I'm trying to do so by taking a respite now and again.

 
At 10/31/2005 10:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Bill Adams

 

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