Tuesday, February 07, 2006

How Far Along Are We?

Maybe it's time to revisit some December 2002 material from Dr. Anis Shorrosh. The following is reproduced in its entirety:

TWENTY-YEAR PLAN FOR USA
ISLAM TARGETS AMERICA


1. Terminate America’s freedom of speech by replacing it with hate crime bills state-wide and nation-wide.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities to promote Islam as the original African-American’s religion while Christianity is for the whites! Strange enough, no one tells the African-Americans that it was the Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves, neither the fact that in Arabic the word for black and slave is the same, “Abed.”

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office for favorable legislation to Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the internet by buying the corporations or a controlling stock.

6. Yield to the fear of imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – the black gold. America’s economy depends on oil, (1000 products are derived from oil), so does its personal and industrial transportation and manufacturing -41% comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell, “foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un-American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran” anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions, get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way. Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:
a. Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961)
b. No birth control whatsoever – every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.
c. Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years – since one cannot have the Muslim legal permission to marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America.
d. Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2000 released inmates have joined Al Qaida world-wide). Only a few have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil. So far – sleeping cells!

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are 300 exclusively Muslim schools with loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish “Centers for Islamic studies” with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher education institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have high-jacked Islam, not the truth, which is Islam high-jacked the terrorists. Furthermore in January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4500 packets of the Quran, videos, promoting Islam to America’s high schools--free. They would never allow us to reciprocate.

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards the Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America’s sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls. (We have experienced this too often since 9-11.)

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not American’s justice system.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S. but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America’s campuses by insisting that freshman take at least one course on Islam. Be sure that the writer is a bonafide American, Christian, scholarly and able to cover up the violence in the Quran and express the peaceful, spiritual and religious aspect only.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media of their visibility.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the US by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.
Dr. Shorrosh, D.Min, D.Phil, is the author of Islam Revealed, a bestseller which has been printed eight times. According to the book review at Amazon, "Dr. Anis Shorrosh explains the driving force behind the fanatical, as well as the moderate and conservative sects of Islam."

68 Comments:

At 2/07/2006 9:20 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Great post

However mostly Roman Cathlic Latinos, Chinese and Hindu Immigrants will out number Muslims by several multiples.

Black clergy will not roll over. Moreover the hate crime index shows blacks have a high rate of perpetrating anti Muslim hate crimes.

However the rest of the post is stellar.

 
At 2/07/2006 9:42 PM, Anonymous Skylark said...

A grim and timely reminder of Muslim plans for domination.

I wonder how the Muslims will cope with Chinese desire for hegemony in the world? The Chinese would walk all over them in terms of know-how and business acumen. And they ( the Chinese) certainly would want no part of what they would consider to be a primitive tribal belief.

 
At 2/07/2006 9:46 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

The Chinese might be the only saps on the planet with the balls to flaunt world opinion by murdering as many islamics as they could find.

They'd be doing us all a favor that we have no spine for.

 
At 2/07/2006 10:23 PM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

We've lost ground on almost every item on the list. It's not that we've seen any of those items completed but they've made a dent on each front.

It was time for a report card ... and review of those points.

BTW, I've written our leaders in Washington again telling them they've taken the wrong side by expressing sympathy for the Islamic critics of the Danish press. I've used phrases like "aiding and abetting" and emboldening those who use violence. I don’t expect much but I want them on notice that many of us are furious. Besides, it takes only 1% of Americans to match all the CAIR supporters (or SCAIR as Pim would put it). I think I'll send the same letters tomorrow ... they don't remember who wrote.

 
At 2/07/2006 10:54 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

"..flaunt world opinion by murdering as many islamics as they could find.."

Of course they are capable of doing it but for now they also sponsor the Islamist movements.
Make no mistake where the mujahadeen purchase their weapons.
Directly or not.
For the Chinese the US is the number one enemy and they will use any possible mean to destabilize her.
Just going bach to AOW's Muslim shopping list have a look at this idiot commenting here:
http://democracyfrontline.org/blog/?p=252#comment-3058
I think it is just what AOW writes about.

 
At 2/08/2006 3:44 AM, Blogger David Schantz said...

Just like the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto the 20 points listed here are in place or they will be soon.

God Bless America, God Save The Republic.

 
At 2/08/2006 6:25 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Mussolini

Hold on a second China has a rather unusual system for dealing with the situation. China pays generous doweries for Muslims to marry Han ( Chinese Women) . The children are considered out casts and not Muslim and the men are branded traitors.

I wonder how many of these marriages lasted.

 
At 2/08/2006 8:45 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak,
Black clergy will not roll over. Moreover the hate crime index shows blacks have a high rate of perpetrating anti Muslim hate crimes.

The black clergy may not be rolling over, but there is a disturbing movement afoot among the black community as Islam gains more converts among the prison population.

Have you read about Jamaat al Fuqra? The material is on the left sidebar at that link. Also, there is lot of proselytizing on the part of Muslim priests in the prison system; some cases are under investigation in California on that one.

 
At 2/08/2006 8:48 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Jason,
Yes, We've lost ground on almost every item on the list. Of course, because of the furor over the Danish cartoons, what caught my eye a few days ago was the first point.

That list was published over three years ago. I haven't read Dr. Shorrosh's latest book. Guess that I should get a copy to see if he addresses any of the points in "The Twenty Year Plan."

 
At 2/08/2006 8:53 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Skylark,
Sometimes looking back over some old material helps to give a perspective. Some time back, a fellow blogger encouraged me to post "The Twenty Year Plan," but I didn't get around to posting the points until the cartoon jihad.

Much of what Dr. Shorrosh has spoken of applies in spades to Europe. Or should I say "Eurabia"?

And, of course, Saudi is now funding Islamic centers at both Harvard and Georgetown Universities.

Paul Sperry's book Infiltration came out well after Dr. Shorrosh's list was published.

 
At 2/08/2006 8:56 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Felis,
Later today, I'll go back to the link you gave and check the comment. Work calls!

 
At 2/08/2006 8:57 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Never underestimate China!

 
At 2/08/2006 8:59 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Jason,
One thing matters to politicians--garnering votes. If they see that large numbers of voters are uniting, those politicians will, of necessity, change their positions. Therefore, the power of letter-writing can be quite great. Thanks for reminding us not to just type in comments at blogs.

 
At 2/08/2006 8:59 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

David,
Nothing happens spontaneously in the Muslim world. This is the same principle the free world faced in the Cold War.

 
At 2/08/2006 9:02 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak,
Why would China pay such dowries for Muslims to marry Han? Maybe I'm being dense, but I don't follow.

 
At 2/08/2006 9:03 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
China is not standing in opposition to Iran. Right?

 
At 2/08/2006 10:17 AM, Blogger Shah Alexander said...

China is getting an increasingly gas-guzzling economy. Also, they pursue a multi-polar world. They have some reasons for trying to penetrate their influence into Islamic nations.

On the other hand, they are afraid of ethnic insurgence in Xinjian.

 
At 2/08/2006 10:34 AM, Blogger Mark said...

Excellent blog, AOW.

We shouldn't overlook all that money they earn from "black gold" coming into the US and the rest of the West to buy up our businesses. That way, they will turn themselves into our masters, and us into their slaves. Never forget: He who pays the piper calls the tune!

Why do once proud nations like the US and the UK stoop so low as to prostitute themselves like this? We are fools to ourselves!

 
At 2/08/2006 11:59 AM, Blogger John Sobieski said...

Jason, you make a good point. Everyone should have the email address of their Senators and their district Representative in their address list. And everyone, everyweek, should send a brief email to their congressman about some subject, immigration, free speech, muslim infiltration of education, urge them to study islam, taqiyya, jihad (Bostom's Legacy of Jihad) - hundreds of subjects.

It is an easy and important task. Email your congressman today. Go look up your Senator's or Rep's website and find out how you can talk to your Congressman! The Muslims are doing it to blind your Congressman, help prevent that.

 
At 2/08/2006 1:10 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

China is standing with Iran.

But when Chinese citizens start being converted or murdered in the typical Islamic fashion, China will react in ways we won't sanction (though us private citizens may applaud).

 
At 2/08/2006 1:51 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

"I didn't know there were so many Muslims in Denmark who are supporting Western values," said Soren Espersen, an MP for the populist Danish People's Party."

That's from a BBC article. Interesting that the "Islamofascists" in Europe aren't too agitated?

There's been quite a bit of assimilitation despite what stooges like Pipes and B'at Shite maintain.

So in the meantime we'll have to be satisfied with flyover country whitebread talking about "typical islamic fashion" as if they had a clue.

 
At 2/08/2006 2:33 PM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

Yes, we need to write. If one thinks realistically, no one letter changes the opinion of a politician. But a simple letter (perhaps by e-mail) with a clear paragraph or two, adds to the pressure of public opinion. As I say, they may not agree but they might decide to skip on this issue; and that's better than taking the Islamic side. Besides, we have to start with a few people. And we have to counter balance CAIR (and sympathizers that quack!)

Bush: comments@whitehouse.gov
Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
House: http://www.house.gov/writerep/

 
At 2/08/2006 2:44 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

I have read articles that in the Uigihr province local custom of children of mixed marriage are not considered Muslim. Moreover the men are shunned by their community.
This is an apparent local custom that does not apply elsewhere.

 
At 2/08/2006 5:31 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

But when Chinese citizens start being converted or murdered in the typical Islamic fashion, China will react in ways we won't sanction (though us private citizens may applaud).

General Tso's Chicken anyone?

 
At 2/08/2006 6:12 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Oh, Mr Ducky, you aren't one of those that are still holding your breath waiting for "moderate" and "noble" Islam to rise up and condemn the murder of infidels, are you?

Aren't you dizzy, yet?

Not a peep is raised over the murder of the catholic priest 3 days ago in Turkey where the murder screamed at the top of his lungs "allahu akbar!"

Guarandamntee you, if a crazed christian shot an imam, the entire left wing of the US would claim christians were jack-booted nazi thugs.

Where's the outrage, Ducky? Or are you still too busy holding your breath?

Touche, Boston Bay.

 
At 2/08/2006 6:40 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
Guarandamntee you, if a crazed christian shot an imam, the entire left wing of the US would claim christians were jack-booted nazi thugs.

No doubt about that, IMO.

 
At 2/08/2006 7:00 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam...

Isn't that some of what's happening with the cartoon furor? Trying to squelch freedom of speech/press?

The calls have come to cut off the hands of the cartoons and to behead those who insult Islam. Remember Salman Rushdie? Theo van Gogh?

I don't see anyone calling for the execution of Middle Eastern newspaper-editors who publish anti-Semitic cartoons.

Not a peep is raised over the murder of the catholic priest 3 days ago in Turkey where the murder screamed at the top of his lungs "allahu akbar!"

I heard a brief item on that, but not much. Wasn't that priest an old man?

I heard on tonight's news that some Muslims are objecting to the portrayal of MTP on the U.S. Supreme Court Building because the representation shows MTP holding a sword. That picture has been there--I don't know how long. See the picture here.

 
At 2/08/2006 7:27 PM, Blogger Bassizzzt said...

Here's my synopsis of some of the points:

1. Terminate America’s freedom of speech by replacing it with hate crime bills state-wide and nation-wide.

This relates to CAIR's lawsuit against Andrew Whitehead of Anti-CAIR.

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR is all about this, as well as his butt-buddy, Nihad Awad. To think these oafs get a spot on O'Reilly while Andy Whitehead of ACAIR cannot, is totally beyond logic.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office for favorable legislation to Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

This is when CAIR first said that they weren't sponsoring any political candidates for the last election, but they were slobbing all over Dennis Kucinich's tiny knob when he announced that he was on the side of the Muslim.

This one also applies to Kamal Nawash of the so-called Free Muslim.org group. He's about as two faced as they become, and he is also very noted as one of the thugs that lives over in the Wahhabi Corridor in Falls Church. I once interviewed Nawash and asked him "Do you identify the state of Israel and believe it to be a legitimate state" and he avoided my question like a soccer goalie on tab acid.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the internet by buying the corporations or a controlling stock.

Just a few months ago, word got out that a rich Saudi purchased a huge chunk of FOX News stock - but the opinion on Islamofascism never left FOX and this is at least some good news.

6. Yield to the fear of imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – the black gold. America’s economy depends on oil, (1000 products are derived from oil), so does its personal and industrial transportation and manufacturing -41% comes from the Middle East.

America badly needs a serious initiative to investigate hydrogen fuel technology and get it out the door quicker than they did with the latest imperfect technology - mobile phones.

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth

We should force them into camps and sterilize all of the males.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have high-jacked Islam, not the truth, which is Islam high-jacked the terrorists. Furthermore in January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4500 packets of the Quran, videos, promoting Islam to America’s high schools--free. They would never allow us to reciprocate.

Speaking of free Quran distribution - if anyone is interested in helping me market my idea to create a Quran in two ply toilet paper, get with me asap. This item will sell like hotcakes and we would profit immensely from this cool idea. Email me if interested - I am dead serious about this.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S. but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

..aka the Holy Land Foundation. Boy, talk about false advertising, and CAIR knew where THAT money was going.

 
At 2/08/2006 8:42 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Bassizzzt,
You rightly point out what CAIR is up to.

 
At 2/08/2006 9:33 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Father Andrea Santoro, 60, murdered.

Turkey came out this morning and said it had nothing to do with islam. They said it was probably the Russian mafia.

I didn't know the Russian mafia screams "allahu akbar" when they shoot people?

 
At 2/08/2006 10:04 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

That's quite a list and if you look, you can see that they are implementing many of those plans.
The only problem with having 20 different steps is that most Muslims can't count much more than four or five. I guess if they use both hands and both feet though...

 
At 2/09/2006 1:08 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Oh, Mr Ducky, you aren't one of those that are still holding your breath waiting for "moderate" and "noble" Islam to rise up and condemn the murder of infidels, are you?

Don't kid yourself, Mussolini. Ducky is a leftist. He'll continue to subscribe to the mythological existence of moderate Muslims while simultaneously calling for a war upon Saudi Arabia where the "Jews" that control American foreign policy live, because they support the terrorism that Ducky believes isn't a threat.

No, that level of mindlessness doesn't make sense to me either. But, it wouldn't be leftist otherwise.

 
At 2/09/2006 10:37 AM, Blogger Cubed © said...

Between AOW's post and Bassizzzt's comment, you can see the points that inspired the authorship by Glen Reinsford, over at www.thereligionofpeace.com, of a novel entitled "Age of Tolerance" that is the story of what would have happened had Al Gore won instead of George Bush. Spooky,
to say the very least.

Another very interesting novel is called "Tea With Terrorists" by Craig Winn (of "Prophet of Doom fame) and Ken Power. It answers the questions "Who they are" and "Why they kill." A lot of the material in this book really happened. Last I knew, it's still available for free from Winn's site, prophetofdoom.com.

Yet a third novel, being published chapter at a time on 6thcolumnagainstjihad.com, is set in fully Islamized Europe about 100 years in the future. The author really knows Islam well.

Given the points made by AOW and Bassizzzt, these works are no exaggeration--they are just the logical extrapolation into the future, and leave no doubt about why we have to win this one.

I'm really happy to see works of fiction begin to appear. It's another form by which the general population can be reached. We need all the help we can get!

 
At 2/09/2006 11:45 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Come on Mussolini, give it a rest. How much outrage did you feel when Ronny Raygun was bankrolling the killing of nuns and prriests in Salvador?

Maybe I should hold Christians like AOW responsible for the killings by The Lord's Army in Congo in their attempt to get the ten commandments made the law of the land.

Maybe we will get legitimate reporting about the demonstrations in Afghanistan. Were they about the six month old cartoons or the fact that installations are refusing to hire Afghani's? Sahll I look to Jason Pappas
for the truth?

Over a hundred casualties in iraq today as Iraqis still pay for flyover country whitebread's pissing their diapers.

You seem like a bright guy. You really want to hook up with the No Nothings?

 
At 2/09/2006 12:25 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Give it a rest? Sure - when the muslims do.

I'm all for peace.

Call me a 1-trick pony if you like but I see a clash of civilizations here... something that has never ended from the time it began.

Where are we as humans, Ducky, if we fail to defend the innocent? What have we done for society (to appeal to your socialist leanings) if we allow that which would kill society to kill it?

In raw terms, I hate rhetorical politics of all kinds. I hate this 2-party system we have. I hate the politicians that all sound alike.

Of necessity, I find myself on the right because the left has apparently lost its grip on reality.

A leftist stands for abortion!
A leftist stands for letting criminals go!
A leftist stands for moral equivocation!
A leftist stands for banning speech!
A leftist stands for controlling the masses!
A leftist stands for taxing people as punishment!
A leftist stands for class warfare!

What is there for me to get excited about? Why would I vote left? There is nothing there to demonstrate the potential in people. There is nothing there that encourages optimism.

I believe in the good of mankind - not what we can blame man for.

I keep hearing Gore shriek about how global warming is more dangerous right now than Al Queda. But just the other day I read the the next ice age is in the next 2 decades.

Well, which the hell is it?

If the left hates mankind so much because we kill animals, then why the hysteria over global warming? Man is supposed to die in it, and that means no more man to kill the animals. Isn't that great? But it's presented as a bad thing. Well, is it good or bad or what?

I can't deal with the psychosis. So, I vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

The political right? Only interested in money. Only interested in spending it for power. Only interested in getting re-elected. Only interested in apologizing for Islam. Only interested in playing for the media cameras.

How inspiring. But at least it isn't as psychotic.

I believe in God. I believe in peace. I believe in Milton Friedman economics. I believe in legalizing drugs (so the government can tax it). I believe in limiting abortions to life of mother issues. I believe in a strong death penalty for murderers. I believe in freedom of speech. I believe in the ideals of a socialist system that doesn't devalue the individual for the good of the whole, but rather celebrates the individual for the betterment of the whole.

I have no choice, right now, except to vote against the left. I'm still waiting for a party and leader to appeal to my own values. Not a jack-booted nazi thug, but someone interested in returning this country to the original constitution that made this country great.

I can't help but vote my conscience. If that makes me "flyover whitebread" then I wear the label with pride.

 
At 2/09/2006 1:55 PM, Blogger Esther said...

Great one, AOW. Absolutely great.

 
At 2/09/2006 2:13 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/09/news/mecca.php

Terrific article about the Cartoon flap.

The idea that moderate muslims are stymied between radical islamists and an ignorant, indeifferent west holds up fairly well.

 
At 2/09/2006 2:25 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Mussolini, sounds like you believe in an Old testament god of anger and retribution. Kind of wahabist, no?

I don't think you're American Taliban (but that crowd is real) but your rant is curious.

Leftists stand for banning speech?

Friedman? Marginal figure.

The left stands for letting criminals go? That statement is absolutely asinine.

Taxing people as punishment? Please, you are probably talking about progressive taxation and if you can give me a reason why people shouldn't be taxed in relative proportion to the percentage of the nation's total assets that they control then go to it. Don't give me some half ass cliches.

Abortions were down along with teenage pregnancy under Clinton. The current administration should take a bow. Thanks for supporting them.

Truly confuses me. You still sound like a democratic socialist who has lost his way. This irrational muslim bogey man ain't working for you.

 
At 2/09/2006 2:54 PM, Blogger Mark said...

Mr. Ducky:

Taxing people as punishment? Please, you are probably talking about progressive taxation and if you can give me a reason why people shouldn't be taxed in relative proportion to the percentage of the nation's total assets that they control then go to it.

"Taxing people as punishment"? You said it! Taxation should not be a form of punishment for hard work and effort. Progressive taxation does just that: It punishes people for hard work and effort!

Mrs. Thatcher showed, nay proved, in the UK that by lowering taxation, government coffers actually filled up more quickly! Why? Because by not punishing hard work and effort, people were actually willing to work longer and harder. It appeals to man's acquisitive nature, d'you see?

The reason why peope shouldn't be taxed in relative proportion to their means is simple: It acts as a disincentive to effort.

The government of the day, be it American or British, or any other for that matter, should act responsibly, and allow people to take home as much of what they earn as possible, whilst still collecting enough taxes to fund the needs of government and its services (which those are is another question to be answered at another time) to the public.

Unfortunately, once one goes down the socialist route - and let's make no mistake about it, progressive taxation is a socialist idea (whose time has past) - one encourages a sluggish economy with sluggish growth.

The new idea, by the way, the idea of the progressive thinkers, is 'the flat tax'. It's the idea of the moment. All progressives are latching on to it. You might have heard of it. And do you know which countries are taking up this idea with vigour? The ex-communist countries of the old Soviet bloc! That should tell you something!

There for you: I've gone for it, Mr. Ducky! What have you got to say to that?

 
At 2/09/2006 3:18 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

I think that if this is their plan then they are already off to a good start. You can see inroads made in everyone of the 20 initiatives. Personally I believe that our culture is much more appealing and that most Muslims would prefer living in freedom than in their repressive societies. Recent events though may show that I am overly optimistic. Maybe freedom isn't for everyone.

 
At 2/09/2006 3:31 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Leftists on speech: supports enacting "hate" laws based on perceived offenses. Religious sermons are constantly considered hate. All this does is give the "victim" class a way to silence whoever they don't like - even if not religious.

Leftists on criminals: release murderers and definitely don't put them to death. How many "Free Tookie" campaigns have there been? How many more "Free Mumia" campaigns do we need?

Leftists on taxes: Taxes discourage the activity they are applied to. In America, for a long time, being married gave a tax break. During the 90s, I found I paid $1400 more in taxes on a $40K income being married. I seriously considered divorce.

ON THAT NOTE: taxes discourage what they apply to. Why are we taxing INCOME? We should be taxing consumption. That would discourage waste, debt, and greed.

Abortions may have been down under Clinton, but due to what? The abstinence program ridiculed by the left that just got going when Clinton won? Perhaps.

Ducky, I'm not fantasizing this. Call it bogeyman all you want but ignoring it doesn't make it a myth.

I have other things to give me direction and focus. This Islamic thing is not something I'm "using" for some nefarious gain.

Lost my way? Yeah. And thankfully avoided the destruction of ideas that the left now embodies.

 
At 2/09/2006 3:38 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

sorry mark, we had a crash and things didn't get going again until Clinton raised upper marginal rates and convinced Wall Street he was serious about deficits.

I'd say we are cruising for some problems also and today's "30" auction seems to bear me out. Absolutely no domestic interest in long term bonds.

 
At 2/09/2006 3:43 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Free Tookie? Who wanted Tookie Williams freed? Many simply didn't want him executed...or do you think commutation means "go free"?

Wouldn't be the first time right wing jingoism got someone totally confused.

Please point to any mainstream effort to "Free Mumia". Please, mussolini, stop embarassing yourself.



Talk radio junkies aren't this far off the page.

Consumption tax? You may be correct. It doesn't strike me as bizarre as Laffer Curve followers.

Sorry mussolini, you will find few who can demonstrate any "abstinence only" benefits (especially in texas where it has been shown to fail. Lying to kids (who spot phonies easily) and telling them that condoms fail more often than the human will is simply insane.

 
At 2/09/2006 4:33 PM, Blogger Toni said...

Think about the pro-abortion movement, took them less than 40 years to get partial birth abortions committed and then under 16 yo girls not to need a parental signature for an abortion. It's called a creeping agenda and when you have political correctness already in place to use as a hedge, won't take long. Is California that has the teaching of Islam in their middle schools? It's for the "culture" of course, not the religion.

 
At 2/09/2006 7:03 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Iran Watch,
Personally I believe that our culture is much more appealing and that most Muslims would prefer living in freedom than in their repressive societies. Recent events though may show that I am overly optimistic. Maybe freedom isn't for everyone.

If living in a free society goes against one's religious teachings, to the point of jeopardizing one's eternal life, will followers of that particular religion still choose to accept the way of life of that free society?

Islam is a controlling ideology which doesn't leave much--if any--room for free will and free choice. If I recall correctly, one of the Saudi princes said after the Haj (paraphrase): "There was nothing we could have done to prevent the stampede at the Haj. It was the will of Allah."

It comes to me just now that the concept of the fatalistic will of Allah may be the root of CAIR's attack on Bill Handel, the radio commentator who joked about the stampede at the Haj. Perhaps that is why Handel's statement was so "offensive to Muslims"--his comment flies in the face of Allah's will, and to defy the will of Allah is to deny Islam.

And then there's this: some of the most vociferous and radical Muslims have been well exposed to Western society and reject the ideals therein. In fact, according to a WSJ journalist, those post-9/11 jubilant chanters of "Death to America!" were among the most educated of Muslims.

Right now, we see rioters objecting to the "blasphemy" of MTP. Are these people ignorant masses? Or are they fundamentalists who want to see anti-blasphemy laws in place throughout the world?

 
At 2/09/2006 7:08 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Cubed,
Of late, I haven't had much time to read fiction. But, as you have pointed out, fiction can effectively read a readership which would otherwise not be reached. This tradition runs deep in Western literature--for example, Dickens and his novels of social reform.

 
At 2/09/2006 7:31 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
Maybe I should hold Christians like AOW responsible for the killings by The Lord's Army in Congo in their attempt to get the ten commandments made the law of the land.

Making religious law the law of the land is what the cartoon riots are all about. In fact, shari'a law is exactly the codifying of Koranic law into civil law. And I don't see that shari'a law and democratic ideals are compatible.

At stake right now is whether or not anti-blasphemy laws should become civil law. Down what road would anti-blasphemy laws lead?

Any ideology or religion--NO MATTER WHAT IT IS--should be open to scrutiny and criticism. That's part of the application of freedom of speech as it relates to civil law.

Do I think that Christians should kill those who don't follow Christianity? Absolutely not! "Behead those who insult Christianity" would bring down cries of "Imperialism!" and "Theocracy!"--and rightly so.

I confess my ignorance as to your reference, "The Lord's Army" in the Congo.

 
At 2/09/2006 8:08 PM, Blogger Papa Ray said...

Hey,

Well, you guys can all relax, things will be good from now on.

Allah just sent down his new 10 Commandments .

They look like they might work.

Papa Ray
West Texas
USA

 
At 2/09/2006 8:50 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Papa Ray,
Thank you for that link. Now, will Muslims adopt those commandments? Nope. Not Islamic.

Big Pharoah better be careful. I detect some blasphemy in his posting.

 
At 2/09/2006 8:52 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Esther,
Long time! Thanks for finding time to stop by.

 
At 2/09/2006 8:55 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
Neither the Right nor the Left "gets it" about Islam. But I think that the Right is more likely to "get it," but some on the Right won't "get it" until the economics impacts them.

 
At 2/09/2006 9:00 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Toni,
[C]reeping agenda is the perfect term! Little by little...

In CA, the school curriculum is significantly impacted by the Council on Islamic Education (CIE); the CIE has a guide which has been used to promote the teaching of Islam in the public-school system. Among the items therein is an emphasis on not letting classes see Not Without My Daughter because that film presents Islam in a bad light. Well, the story which that movie presents is fact. Since when should facts not be taught?

The CIE Guide is available in many public libraries.

 
At 2/09/2006 9:11 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky... excuse me, I'm still laughing about your insinuation that I'm "out there"...

You know nothing of Free Mumia? Oh good grief. Either you're lying or you're farther out there than you think I am.

Here are some of the domestic and international main sites:

Free Mumia
Free Mumia
Free Mumia
Free Mumia

And I guess if you're waaaay out there you haven't heard of the Free Tookie movements on your side of the aisle:

Free Tookie Petition

Most of the Tookie sites are gone, but plenty of mention is still made in reference to the campaigns to free Tookie by mainstream Hollywood and the NY elite. See here. Or just ype in "free tookie" in a search engine and note the scads of references to the former "Free Tookie" movements.

Really, Ducky, that was almost no effort to dig that up... you need to stop shaming yourself.

On abstinence? The issue is so politically charged that certain elements of society deliberately ignore data that don't agree with them. Several sources, including congress seem to think that abstinence has been shown to work with measurable results: Policy Review among others.

Ducky, really. You're flapping around quacking with that last post.

 
At 2/09/2006 11:22 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

Sheesh I actually saw that movie..Not without my daughter eons ago..and yes it does portray the reality most wish to hide themselves from...this post is so "on spot" its almost like a prophecy.

 
At 2/10/2006 7:06 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Woman Honor Thyself,
What is interesting about that movie is the Dr. Mahmoudy was so Westerized while he was in the States, but when he and his family "visited" Iran, his family brought him back to fundamentalist teachings. His American wife, whom he previously regarded as his partner, now became his prisoner; his family in Iran persuaded him to stay in Iran. Betty Mahmoudi escaped, of course, with her daughter (He'd have let his wife go home without the child, but she refused to leave without taking her daughter).

There is a book of the same title: Not Without My Daughter. The book doesn't emphasize what some call "the clash of civilizations"; rather, it's more of a human-interest story. In the 1980's I think, the book appeared in condensed form in Ladies' Home Journal or in Readers Digest. Many public libraries have a copy of the book, and I reread it in the summer of 2004. Also, premium cable-TV channels occasionally run the film, which stars Sally Field.

I wonder how many women like Betty Mahmoudi are in Middle Eastern nations right now.

I hope that "The Twenty-Year Plan" isn't a prophecy!

 
At 2/10/2006 10:00 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

AOW, I was being ironic with my statement about the Lord's Liberation Army (an actual, very dangerous group). I no more would hold you to account for their actions than I would hold moderate muslims to account for extremists.

What we are seeing now is partly extremists being whipped up and party moderates caught between extremists and the stupidity of the West and they are coming to the point where they aren't going to eat what we put on the plate.

 
At 2/10/2006 10:02 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Mussoilini, of course I've heard of Mumia.

Bunch of frindge nuts. To say they are representative of "the left" (whatever that is) is silly. Absolutely silly and I'm surprised you would want to appear that foolish.

 
At 2/10/2006 11:44 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

AOW, a film you might find interesting is Inch'Allah Dimanche. It's a french film directed by a muslim women concerning the experiences of an Algerian who joins her husband in Marseille.
In the end she asserts herself. Another very good film is Le Grand Voyage about an elderly man and his very secular son on haj.

They are both Filmmovement offerings so they might not be available for rental. There is a body of film out there that contradicts the monotone portrait of Islam that "scholars" like Jason and Beak want to paint.

 
At 2/10/2006 12:19 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky: foolish?

Aren't we all fools?

My wife wants to know if that's your picture. It looks like one of my uncles. She thinks your pic is from the 70s or 80s?

I'm comforted to know you believe the Free Mumia garbage is fringe. There's hope for the Duck, yet.

 
At 2/10/2006 12:48 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Mussolini,

The picture Ducky uses is a wallet photo of Jack Kerouac. Which is a good reason to wear an NBC warfare suit when reading his posts.

 
At 2/10/2006 5:45 PM, Blogger City Troll said...

ANOTHER GREAT POST AS USUAL

 
At 2/10/2006 8:28 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Kerouac sure is an interesting character... the father of the hippie movement who later disavows the hippies in a move to the right to support the Vietnam War.

I wonder which avatar is stranger, mine or his?

 
At 2/11/2006 3:26 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I think Ducky likes the drugged-out, decadent Allen Ginsburg salad tossing glory hole Kerouac rather than the disillusioned hangover with hemorrhoids Kerouac. It's sort of a classic Elvis vs. fat Elvis thing.

 
At 2/11/2006 7:21 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
I've been wanting to ask. Why did you choose your avatar?

 
At 2/11/2006 9:15 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Benito Mussolini was a man I can respect. He dueled with broadswords in his youth and skied bare-chested down the Alps.

He wandered into communism at a young age but veered away later, in disgust. He was the father of fascism (strong rule in one individual) and hated the communists.

On assumption to power, he rounded up the communist leaders and had them all shot - the ONLY civilians he killed as dictator.

When the Italian communists would start murdering civilians as a terror tactic, he would send the army to kill them.

When the muslims started killing Serbian christians in Yugoslavia, and Hitler waffled not knowing who to support, Mussolini sent in General Mario Roatta who systematically destroyed the muslim forces that were murdering innocents. For this, Roatta was charged for war crimes.

Mussolini was a man of pithy words and sensible political action. He tried several times in the early 30s to approach Britain for an alliance against Germany, but the Brits ignored him.

Mussolini was a centrist fascist who led Italy into the modern age.

For his anti-communist stance and his harsh reprisals against Islamic atrocities, I admire the man.

 
At 2/12/2006 7:04 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
Thanks for filling me in. Your avatar makes more sense to me now.

 
At 2/13/2006 9:45 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

For allying with the idiot Hitler and leading Italy to destruction, I don't admire the man.

Ha.

 
At 2/13/2006 10:35 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
Franco didn't make that mistake.

 

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