Tuesday, April 18, 2006

Profiting From Illegal Invasion

(All emphases by Always On Watch)

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When I saw the television coverage of immigration demonstrations throughout the United States, including the Heartland and areas with which I did not immediately associate a high population of immigrants, and the above graph, I wondered, “How did they get to be all over the United States?” An April 18, 2006 article in the Washington Times provides a clue in the following excerpt from "Illegal Aliens Recruit Workers":
“SASABE, Mexico -- A growing number of U.S. employers in need of cheap labor are turning to illegal workers to recruit friends and relatives back home, and to smugglers to find job seekers.

"’It continues to become clear who controls immigration: It's not governments, but rather the market,’ said Jorge Santibanez, director of the Tijuana think tank Colegio de la Frontera Norte.

“When Pedro Lopez Vazquez crossed illegally into the United States last week, he already had a job.

“His future employer even paid $1,000 for a smuggler to help Mr. Vazquez make his way from the central Mexican city of Puebla to Aspen, Colo….

“At the same time, it has become less risky for companies to recruit illegal aliens. Since the September 11, 2001, terror attacks, U.S. prosecution of employers who hire such workers has dwindled to a trickle as the government puts its resources toward national security.
“The few cases that are prosecuted, however, highlight how lucrative a business recruiting undocumented workers has become.

In one case, a single smuggler purportedly earned $900,000 over 15 months placing 6,000 migrants in jobs at Chinese restaurants across the upper Midwest….

Shan Wei Yu, a 51-year-old Chinese-American, was sentenced in December to nine years in federal prison on charges involving the transportation of 40 of those migrants. Investigations involving the others continue.

“Rick Hilzendager, special agent for Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Grand Forks, N.D., said Yu connected 6,000 migrants from Latin America with jobs in Chinese restaurants in Illinois, Michigan, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wisconsin.

Based in Yu's home in McKinney, Texas, the Great Texas Employment Agency placed ads in Chinese-language newspapers in the Chicago area offering cheap labor from Latin America, investigators said.

Yu sent a recruiter with Spanish interpreters to find illegal aliens in Dallas willing to be fry cooks and dishwashers, Mr. Hilzendager said. A team made up mostly of illegal Chinese aliens rented cars and drove them up.

Yu charged a $150 finder's fee for each illegal while the drivers earned $300 per worker. Restaurant owners deducted the $450 from workers' first-month paychecks of $1,000….

“To make a real dent in the network, the U.S. government would need to go after employers or make them pay the costs of legalizing workers, migration activists say.

“Investigators say fake documents make it difficult to prove an employer has knowingly hired an undocumented worker. Businesses argue that employers aren't equipped to spot fraud....”
“Employers aren’t equipped to spot fraud”? Those words smack of a lame excuse. At an impromptu day-laborers site near my house, I have seen for myself that various landscaping and construction companies cruise the parking lot and do not make any attempt to determine whether or not the fellows they are hiring are legal. And many private home-owners do the same when they hire maids or others to do various household chores.

Any employers of illegal immigrants should be prosecuted because as long as the market for cheap labor exists, the flood penetrating our porous borders will continue. Our Congress needs to pass legislation targeting businesses and individuals which hire illegals. Auditing the income-tax filings of employers who hire illegals is the starting point and might lead to shutting down activities such as those of Mr. Yu. Ignoring the employers of illegals will lead to even greater proliferation of illegal immigration.

Furthermore, our sieve of a border leaves us open to infiltration by terrorists. According to this page from the web site We Need A Fence:
“The problem is not merely the number of illegal immigrants. In addition to the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from Central and South America, there are several hundreds, perhaps thousands, of illegal aliens from countries that sponsor terrorism or harbor terrorists entering the United States each year across our border with Mexico. Thus, it is a national security issue as well as an immigration issue.”
And from this web page:
"'Other Than Mexican' illegal immigrants pose a national security risk to the U.S.

"The serious national security threat posed by 'Other Than Mexicans' is not widely understood. Approximately 100,000 illegal immigrants entering the United States from Mexico each year are not Mexicans. The Border Patrol refers to these persons as 'OTM's' - 'Other Than Mexicans':

Within the last year, over 450 OTM's have been apprehended illegally entering the United States from such officially-designated 'special interest' countries as:
o Afghanistan
o Angola
o Jordan
o Qatar
o Pakistan
o Yemen
Some of those countries listed are known funders of terrorist organizations and are known to harbor terrorists.

Furthermore, the hidden costs of so-called cheap labor are not inexpensive. California serves as a documented example, which applies or will soon apply to states all over our nation:

“In California alone, the annual estimated cost burden of providing education, health care and incarceration for illegal immigrants is over $10 billion:

Education. Californians spend approximately $7.7 billion annually on education for illegal immigrant children. Nearly 15 percent of the K-12 public school students in California are children of illegal aliens.

Health care. Uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to the state's illegal alien population amount to about $1.4 billion a year.

Incarceration. The cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in California's prisons and jails amounts to about $1.4 billion a year (not including related law enforcement and judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes that led to their incarceration).
We cannot afford to wait any longer to secure our borders! And it is also past time to call illegal immigrants by the proper name: “ILLEGAL INVADERS,” as Right Truth recently stated.

And here are the highlights of Cubed's plan for controlling the invasion:
1) Build a barrier.
2) Get the IRS in on it.
3) Make English the official language of the U.S.
4) Withdraw all welfare benefits to illegal aliens.
5) Amend the Constitution to disallow 'anchor babies.'
6) Deport illegal aliens.
7) Deputize citizen volunteers to work with the Border Patrol.


(Additional details here)
Will the above plan work? I don't know, but I favor trying it. The United States could hardly do worse than the excuse-of-a-plan which is in place right now.

[Hattip: Sixth Column for the link We Need A Fence]

59 Comments:

At 4/18/2006 12:13 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

AOW, I don't quite get your drift. Does this news of U.S. employers looking for cheap labor surprise you?

A lot of folks such as the guy who runs the "Liberty and Culture" blog and assorted Bush splooge monkeys on the one hand are busting down the gates screaming for laissez-faire and on the other hand we have you posting this and appearing to be upset when you get the full Ayn Rand.

Which is it? You have a culture that has one economic objective -- Taxpayers pay the expenses, owners take the profits. Simple. So why are you surprised when every effort is made to sop up as much cheap labor as possible and screw everyone else? I'm baffled.

 
At 4/18/2006 1:03 PM, Anonymous themerrywidow said...

It's called right or wrong, obey the law or break it, true or false,respect or despise!

tmw

 
At 4/18/2006 1:19 PM, Anonymous Mustang said...

The fact that Ducky is baffled should not surprise anyone; it is a lifetime constant for him.

Illegal immigration is bad for our country, on a number of levels. It is hurtful for the human beings who are oppressed by their illegal status. It rewards those who profit from the suffering of others.

Illegal immigrants are disenfranchised from the instant they enter the USA illegally. They are never assimilated into our culture. They are, by definition, outlaws. They remain, for the most part, on the under-belly of our economic system. Do we want to see this happen to anyone? No, of course not.

Do Americans have the right to be at peace and secure in their homes? Do Americans have the right to demand protected borders? I think that they do, and shame on them if they don't begin demanding exactly that.

What is there to be confused about?

 
At 4/18/2006 1:43 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Let's help themerrywidow and mustang. Cheap labor is good for employers. Would either of you care to challenge that statement?
Now, capital owns both of your punk asses(well, not yours mustang, you couldn't cut it in the private sector). Capital is in charge of Washington and capital does as it pleases. Would either of you care to challenge that?

Now we go back to the fundamental thesis:
Under the current far right administration, taxpayers pick up the expenses and ownership picks up the profits. You have both probably assisted this by calling for union breaking, resisting any health care reform that blocks the insurance industry blood sucking and generally being anti labor.
You are then surprised when the creature you have helped create sucks up as much cheap labor as possible.

That's an economic law "themerrywidow". It trumps your immigration laws. You aren't in control of this process and surely it has been going on long enough for you to have figured out that powerful interests WANT IT THIS WAY. Interests that you will vote into office, if you indeed vote.

As far as assimilation goes, mustang has never assimilated into my culture and I'm sure he doesn't care...I have never assimilated into his jingoistic club and don't give two farts in hell that I ever do. If he ever understood that the current administration is built on using illegals for profit he might have a chance of stepping back and realizing that isolation is impossible in the contemporary world .

 
At 4/18/2006 2:31 PM, Blogger nanc said...

although i do not agree with the doctrine of this church AT ALL, they put out some of the very best articles on the economy i've read. here's one on cheap labor and the falling dollar:

http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=article&id=2120

and another from the telegraph:

http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=article&id=2120

 
At 4/18/2006 2:43 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

I've voted every year since 1972, I use mostly natural remedies since I have no insurance. And what is right, is right no matter what the circumstances. I am also libertarian because both parties have sold themselves out. So I do what is right no matter at what cost, because I do not want to stand before G*D and whine that it cost to much to go against the flow! Maybe I don't control anything, but I will stand and speak truth to the best of my ability, and try not to whine about life. The only responsibility I have is to obey G*D and glorify HIM! The outcome is HIS responsibility, not mine! Paul said to respect authority, because it derives from G*D, so I obey the laws of the land because I respect G*D. Who do you respect?

tmw

 
At 4/18/2006 3:41 PM, Blogger The Truth Hurts said...

Employers want cheap labor and their business does better because of it...until the social, health, and law enforcement infrastructure comes calling for more taxes because of the burden of these 'cheap' laborers. The taxes have to come from the businesses because the illegal workers don't pay taxes. Capitalism wants sucessful businesses so they have sucessful employees who spend money and thus start the economic cycle over again. Illegal workers short circuit the process. Solution? Deport the illegals and fine the employers. Funny how Democrats are all for workers rights and calling Wal-Mart "slave labor camps" until they realized those folks may vote one day...now let's get as many underpaid immigrants over here as we can, and give them voting rightS1

 
At 4/18/2006 3:54 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

merrywidow, let me see if it's possible to sort out your post. You are a libertarian (my condolences) and aren't surprised that with a gross oversupply of labor in the world it will move were it can find a job and that employers will prefer the cheap labor.

When Christ preached the Sermon on the Mount, he was not a "libertarian".

As for America's laws being in any way connected to divine law...that's the belief of a fool

 
At 4/18/2006 4:05 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

thetruthhurts should pay attention. The current regime is hell bent on destroying all labor representation. Unions have been crushed, pensions are being eliminated and health coverage is available from the insurance industry loan sharks.

You talk about the health infrastructure. i would solve the problem of drug pricing by taking a few company executives with their hands zipped stripped behind them, walk them out to the curb and pull out a Louisville Slugger. Then i would nationalize the industry.
The research is already done by universities and the NIH so we lose little. I'm sure you'll say high drug prices are needed to fund drug company research when they are spending 15% of their revenue on research and 20% on marketing. Figure it out.

Law enforcement? That is expensive because the right wing diaper pissers live scared and like incarceration as a solution. Get real about drugs and drop that cost through the floor. You damn suckers pay prison guards more than teachers and wonder why things are a mess. Funny about libertarians and thumpers...they love cops and soldiers.

Social? Illegals often pay Social Security tax (and they pay sales tax). But the federal budget for social programs is nothing like the useless military budget.

Notice how the campaign against Walmart has been effective? Notice how the thumper campaign against gay rights has been a bust? The right couldn't organize a block party. Over and over you get used by corporate interests (just as you are with immigration) and you learn nothing.

You just parrot back some libertarian, capitalist bromides and watch the middle class in America get torn apart. Fools.

 
At 4/18/2006 4:33 PM, Anonymous Mustang said...

Terms such as “good” or “bad” have very little relevance in discussions of this kind because they are too subjective. The definition of good may be entirely different between one person and another. But if Duck is suggesting cheap labor benefits employers, then I do agree.

Capitalist societies do use money to create greater wealth, yes. This is really a no-brainer. Profit is one’s reward to taking the RISKS associated with business investment. So it is true that a sane investor expects to gain a profit from the risk of making an investment. (It is okay that you make certain assumptions about my success in the private sector Ducky, even though you are talking out of your ass, but everyone here expects no less of you. Please continue to be a butt head if you wish.)

Capital is another word for money, Ducky. Money (a thing) cannot be in charge of something. It is an inanimate object. If you mean to say that capitalists are in charge in Washington, as opposed to communists or socialists, then yes I would tend to agree with you.

Your follow on statements, however, appear to be irrational. Under the current administration (which is not altogether far right), just like every administration since that of George Washington, capitalists do indeed expect to profit from the risk of their investments. It has been thus since the development of joint-stock companies. Taxation has been a recent development, and a not altogether welcome one except among socialists who are somehow convinced that they are entitled to a portion of my paycheck. People who are opposed to paying taxes or who favor capitalism are not necessarily against unions, and so your claims are silly. Most of us believe that unions are necessary because corporate structures (greed being a constant human tendency) lack a proper sense of leadership, but also that unions have poisoned the well of credibility due to their own corruption and greed. Of course, don’t ask me . . . ask Jimmy Hoffa if you can find him.

Your suggestion that capitalists are by their nature “anti-labor” may have some historic merit, but your argument lacks lucidity. The cost of labor is passed along to the consumer, until one reaches a breaking point. Study the case of White Trucking, once an employer of several hundred workers who, when White went out of business, traded in their $25.00 per hour jobs for positions at Burger King under $3.00 per hour. What good did labor unions do for those employees? What did greed and federal regulation do for this particular manufacturer of quality trucks?

Employers should not be hiring illegal aliens because it isn’t LEGAL to do so. Just like it is ILLEGAL to hire children under a certain age. So then if it is illegal to hire unlawful immigrants, like it is illegal to hire children, then those laws ought to be respected by employers. Now, it so happens that law-makers and chief executives from both political parties are to blame for our current immigration problems. Democrats are at fault because they want a multi-cultural society, even if we have to give way to illegal aliens to achieve it. Republicans are at fault because they lack the intestinal fortitude to do the right thing during an election year.

Now Ducky, given your lack of knowledge and understanding and your commie totalitarian ideologies, should you even be working in public education in a "free" society?

 
At 4/18/2006 5:03 PM, Blogger nanc said...

just when you think the left cannot sink lower - here's a reach up to touch bottom moment:

http://www.suntimes.com/post-trib/04-18-06_z1_news_15.html

 
At 4/18/2006 5:04 PM, Blogger nanc said...

relativism?

 
At 4/18/2006 5:13 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Very good Mustang! Obeying the law is "good", so I don't think my view of the situation is that off. I don't think Ducky understands libertarians, but then I don't fit "thumper" either! But since the kind lady who owns this blog is a Christian, I am less inhibited about that subject, here. Oh, and Ducky, I am not afraid, all I want is for the laws on the books to be enforced. See, that wasn't so hard, was it?

tmw

 
At 4/18/2006 5:20 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

I agree completely with your position. It's a shame that more people don't "get your drift". This is why that before we worry about any new legislation we start enforcing the laws already in place. Even most Hispanic Americans, legally in the United States, want immigration laws to be fairly prosecuted. First and last this country is a country of laws and wanting the laws to be prosecuted doesn't make you some far right fascist.

 
At 4/18/2006 5:24 PM, Blogger nanc said...

i believe there are grand differences between good and bad.

 
At 4/18/2006 5:24 PM, Blogger nanc said...

p.s. tmw - for a minute there i thought this was a plucky blog!

 
At 4/18/2006 5:25 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

"You are a libertarian (my condolences)"

I've got to admit that ducky's wit has more than once given me a good laugh.
I don't understand deriding a man's service to his country though.

 
At 4/18/2006 5:35 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

Cheap labor is the least of our problems...terrorists are crawling across the border even as we speak ...so hmmm the economy will go to pot while they live off the fat or OUR land plotting to kill us...good deal eh..

 
At 4/18/2006 5:45 PM, Blogger nanc said...

yeah woman - it seems they're getting the best of all worlds. and to think there are some here who are welcoming them with open arms. think i'll go hug a rattlesnake.

 
At 4/18/2006 5:59 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Nanc- That is because I didn't want it to turn into a Ducky blog! My, my that man is something else. Ah well, I am content with who I am and who I serve. Ducky is rather amusing, so I don't mind him. WHT-That is the crux of the matter, we have terrorists of several varieties already here, why are we feeding, clothing, giving medical attention and educating our enemies. It shows a criminal lack of sense! Of course sense is not very common anymore!

tmw

 
At 4/18/2006 6:37 PM, Blogger nanc said...

neither does it appear to be good at times.

 
At 4/18/2006 7:06 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Ducky

Military people are exemplarary people and your disdain for our best and brightest shows how out of touch you are. I would sooner be governed by Mustang and his peers then your academic Commie finkola demigods like Dorn, Chomsky or Angela Davis. Commies do not belong in America and should be denaturalized and deported to Cuba. Communism is a treasonous ideaology antithetical to every concept of Americanism .

 
At 4/18/2006 7:24 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

AOW,
Yes, of course that when given the opportunity people will try to better themselves.
Anyway and always.
Mugging can be profitable as well but it doesn't mean it should be tolerated.
This is why we have the lawmakers to make laws and police forces to enforce those laws.

A country which cannot enforce its own laws turns into anarchy and can be easily taken over by some willing and able forces.

A.N.S.W.E.R helped to organize most of your recent "immigrant" demonstrations.

 
At 4/18/2006 7:47 PM, Blogger George Mason said...

For a while, I had a blog commentor assailing me for my "irrational" opposition to "open borders." Let me say that America is MY country, not THEIRS. If they want to come in, do so legally so we can account for who is here and why. Open borders is a g.d. suicide pact. I am in no way anti-immigrant, but I am in EVERY WAY anti-illegal immigrant.

Let me toss in for the same price as the foregoing comments: You want to reduce the bulk of illegals? Start enforcing the law. Start in Maine, Washington State, and Michigan. Put the overflow in detention camps in Nevada until they can be shipped south. But, you know what? You won't have to put many in camps, if any. Enforcement will catalyze a HUMAN TSUNAMI of illegals flowing south and back across the border as fast as their little legs can carry them. We will have to use the military to take out the Federales who will be resisting the human tsunami, but our folks need the practice... What we will be left with in short order will be a manageable number of recalcitrant illegals needing persuasion to go south.

 
At 4/18/2006 8:25 PM, Blogger City Troll said...

lock up the employers seize their businesses (let the IRS auction them off) Build a wall post a 50 cal every hundred yards and shoot anyone that aproaches from the Mexican side!!

By the way I just posted a press release from Raytheon about a virtual fence they just tested.

 
At 4/19/2006 12:26 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Bah...

Some rapid fire responses:

Ducky,

Hungry? Eat your union card.

Everyone else,

ANNEX MEXICO!

 
At 4/19/2006 7:31 AM, Blogger nanc said...

well, it's good to see he's alive and apparently well.

 
At 4/19/2006 7:42 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

From an April 19 commentary by Thomas Sowell:

...There is another aspect of the immigration issue that has received little or no attention but can have a serious impact anyway. Amnesty would mean, for many illegal immigrants, that they would not merely have the same rights as American citizens, but special privileges as well.
Affirmative action laws and policies already apply to some immigrants. Members of a multimillionaire Cuban family have already received government contracts set aside for minority businesses. During one period, an absolute majority of the money paid to construction companies in Washington, D.C., went to Portuguese businessmen under the same preferences.

Immigrant members of Latino, Asian, or other minority groups are legally entitled to the same preferential benefits accorded native-born members of minority groups.

The moment they set foot on American soil, they are entitled to receive benefits created originally with the rationale that these benefits were to compensate for the injustices minorities had suffered in this country.

The illegal status of many "undocumented workers" can at least make them reluctant to claim these privileges. But, take away the illegality and they become not only equal to American citizens, but more than equal.

Preferential access to jobs, government contracts, and college admissions are among the many welfare state benefits that add to the costs of immigrants which are not paid by employers of "cheap labor" but which fall on the general public in taxes and in other ways.

Even when illegal immigrants do not claim preferential treatment, employers are still under pressure to hire according to the demographic composition of the local labor force, which includes these "undocumented workers." Employers are subject to legal penalties if the ethnic composition of their employees deviates much from the ethnic composition of the population.

"Cheap labor" can turn out to be the most expensive labor this country has ever had.

 
At 4/19/2006 7:44 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
I see that Mr. Beamish still has blogger block. But as you pointed out, he's still alive, so I have every confidence that he'll have something new up soon.

Perhaps spring fever has taken hold of Mr. Beamish. I'm feeling a bit lackadaisical myself.

 
At 4/19/2006 7:58 AM, Anonymous GM Roper said...

I'm absolutely PRO-Immigration. Our country is a country of Immigrants. However, those were Legal Immigrants, either because there were no national laws (the Amer-Ind over the Berring land bridge), early english/spanish/dutch settlers and several waves of immigrants over decades until laws were passed to control the numbers. Then, we were a melting pot. Now we are asked to be a cafeteria trey, each serving (read culture) on it's own little plate, sharing nothing, accountable to no one.

And that will cost us!

 
At 4/19/2006 9:45 AM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

I've been hearing a lot of talk lately about virtual borders and virtual fences. Since when did boarder security become a videogame? We need 'real' fences and agents patrolling our borders and we need to enforce the laws ALREADY in place.

 
At 4/19/2006 9:50 AM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

I don't like either ducky's comments about anyone who has served his country, but I'm not sure I like Mustangs comments about public education either. I had plenty of public school teachers who really excelled at their job and a couple who have made a difference in my life.

 
At 4/19/2006 10:08 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

American Crusader, the digs at mustang occur primarily because he banned me on his site and takes shots elsewhere. A real man's man.

 
At 4/19/2006 11:57 AM, Blogger Brooke said...

If we're not going to get serious about securing the boarder, then let's go Mr.Beamish's route and annex Mexico.

It's been a long time since the U.S. has conquered any land. Time to expand the evil empire!

 
At 4/19/2006 12:26 PM, Blogger nanc said...

we can't even keep this guy out of the country, how are we going to secure the border?:

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20060419-120250-9400r.htm

 
At 4/19/2006 12:29 PM, Blogger nanc said...

besides, i think beamish is feeling a mite bit under the weather:

Napoleon XIV - They're coming to take me away, ha ha


"Remember when you ran away and
I got on my knees and begged you
Not to leave because I'd go berserk?
Well,You left me anyhow and then the
Days got worse and worse and now you
See I've gone completely out of my mind.
And,

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
They're coming to take me away, ho ho, he he, ha ha,
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young
Men in their clean white coats and
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!

You thought it was a joke and so you
Laughed, you laughed!
When I had said that
Losing you would make me flip my lid - right?
You know you laughed, I heard you laugh,
You laughed, you laughed and laughed, and then you
Left, but now you know I'm utterly mad.
And,

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
They're coming to take me away, ho ho, he he , ha ha,
To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toesAnd they're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!

I cooked your food, I cleaned your house
And this is how you pay me back
For all my kind, unselfish loving deeds? Huh?
Well, you just wait--they'll find you yet
And when they do they'll put you in the
RSPCA you mangy mutt!
And,

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
They're coming to take me away, ho ho, he he, ha ha,
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young
Men in their clean white coats and

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young
Men in their clean white coats and
They're coming to take me away!"

 
At 4/19/2006 2:01 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Shouldn't be long before we figure out that we just have to let Mexico annex texas. They're happy and America gets rid of nutlog central.

 
At 4/19/2006 3:00 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Make our country great again deport the Duck and all other Marxists. Marx is a treasonous seditious ideaology that has zero place in the USA.

Teaching Marx in College is akin to the flat earth society.

 
At 4/19/2006 4:52 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Now you're unnecessarily insulting Flat Earthers, Beak.

Annexing Mexico would create an economic boom in the United States that probably wouldn't begin to taper off until the mid-22nd Century.

As much as I would feel bad about overtaking one of the couple of dozen nations on Earth that actually has a right to exist, it doesn't have to be a military takeover.

We just have to persuade the Mexican people that they'd be better off in the United States, without leaving home, and petition our Congress for statehood.

 
At 4/19/2006 4:58 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I'm not under the weather, Nanc. Just uninspired. Good ol' reliable leftist stupidity hasn't produced anything meriting a blog post lately.

 
At 4/19/2006 5:21 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

Why stop at Mexico? Why not continue down to the Panamá Canal?

 
At 4/19/2006 5:22 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

Thanks for that link nanc...it's amazing how he came into this country and through customs without being noticed. Somebody is losing their job.

 
At 4/19/2006 5:57 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Just think of all the jobs created by annexing Mexico. We'd have to completely rebuild their infrastructure!

 
At 4/19/2006 8:16 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Brooke: Just think of all the jobs created by annexing Mexico. We'd have to completely rebuild their infrastructure!

Would the cost be worth it?

 
At 4/19/2006 8:16 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
Thanks for that excellent link. But it has me wondering how many more like him there are.

 
At 4/19/2006 8:17 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Missing Link,
A.N.S.W.E.R helped to organize most of your recent "immigrant" demonstrations.

You're correct, of course. There was nothing spontaneous or loose about the recent demonstrations.

 
At 4/19/2006 8:20 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Crusader,
Duck and Mustang have a bit of history.

Yes, Mustang takes some shots at Duck, but Duck sometimes does the same on other blogs.

 
At 4/19/2006 8:32 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Iran Watch,
I had plenty of public school teachers who really excelled at their job and a couple who have made a difference in my life.

Yes, the public system has lots of dedicated teachers. But not all are so dedicated. Today, I had a lengthy discussion with one of my piano students who is very disenchanted with the teachers at his school. This young man is a dedicated student and seems to have some legitimate gripes.

Of course, many teachers begin their careers with total dedication, but get bogged down in various trivial matters which undermine their calling. Also, often the best teachers are promoted right out of the classroom and into administration.

If you go back through the archives of Mustang's blog, you'll find some of his articles on education. He did some teaching in the public system and wrote some articles about his experiences behind the teacher's desk.

In any event, the ins and outs of the public-education system are quite complex.

I believe that Duck teaches videography--as a volunteer in public education for adults. He has mentioned that he sees videography as a tool for change, along socialistic lines, I believe. But his comment about that matter was some time ago, so I don't recall all the specifics.

PS: I'm glad that you had teachers who made a difference in your life. Have you told them so? Dedicated teachers love to hear praise from their former students!

 
At 4/19/2006 8:34 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
AOW, I don't quite get your drift. Does this news of U.S. employers looking for cheap labor surprise you?

Of course not! But making a profit should take second place to abiding by the law--not to mention the morality of exploiting others and others' desire to make a better life.

 
At 4/19/2006 10:00 PM, Blogger nanc said...

the law is the law and should be followed or why have them. the book i'm currently reading, G-d and caesar, discusses some of these issues at length and some succinctly. a very good read.

 
At 4/19/2006 10:02 PM, Blogger nanc said...

and you're welcome i.w. and aow for the link. there is something good in the washtimes EVERY day. it does make you wonder who's floating about in our midst. spoooookaaaay!

 
At 4/19/2006 10:39 PM, Blogger David Schantz said...

We have a new pork plant in town and a lot of new Hispanic faces. If you drive by the plant at shift change you see them waiting for a bus. I assume they are legal or the authorities would arrest them. Did I just prove that old saying about assuming is true?

God Bless America, God Save The Republic.

 
At 4/19/2006 11:10 PM, Blogger nanc said...

david - about half my husband's crew are hispanic - all appears well on the paperwork they are required to give, but a few weeks ago we picked up on a couple of their i.d.s that the fingerprints and i.d. numbers were the same, but different names and photos. my husband HAD to fire them. he didn't like it because they were two of his best workers.

if caught knowingly hiring illegals, his company could face $20,000 fine for each occurrence. in the first place - the rules say you cannot ask about citizenship or otherwise until AFTER you hire someone and you CANNOT assume beforehand they are legal or illegal. where's the justice in that?

i'm partly with beamish in this matter, but i think they should just give the ENTIRE left coast to the hispanics and call it good. at least they WILL work hard for their money. i don't appreciate seeing it go back to mexico.

i got this recently from tazz who got it from news with views:

"MR. PRESIDENT, I'M HEADED TO MEXICO

David M. Bresnahan
April 1, 2006
NewsWithViews.com

Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I know you can help with this.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here.

So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak English.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail hunting with your V.P.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Sincerely,

David M. Bresnahan"

i thought it was quite funny and had all the makings for a great tooshay!

 
At 4/19/2006 11:41 PM, Blogger nanc said...

completely O.T., but with citizens like this in our country, who needs enemas:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/4/19/135840.shtml?s=ic

 
At 4/20/2006 11:29 AM, Blogger Cubed © said...

"'Cheap labor' can turn out to be the most expensive labor this country has ever had." (Thomas Sowell)

I think I'm in love with that man!

I still think that criminalizing employers is not the right thing to do, although removing any benefit they gain from hiring illegals should be part of the solution.

My reasoning is this: First, it is the GOVERNMENT that created the problem (Ronald Reagon was right when he noted that government is not the solution, it's the problem) in the first place.

When the minimum wage law was passed, it began a process of squeezing the weakest potential earners out of the market.

By miscasting these low-level jobs as needing to pay enough to support an entire family, huge numbers of people without the skills, experience, or education to qualify for higher-paying jobs are left without any opportunity to gain them.

Students off for the summer; after-school workers; unskilled and/or uneducated workers who need entry-level jobs to gain skills, some experience that will look good on their resumes, and a reputation for reliability; part-time workers who need to supplement their incomes and/or want the social benefits of working with other people; these are all the kinds of workers than many employers can no longer afford to hire with artificially elevated wages.

There are many products/services which are "priced out of the market" with minimum wage; the employer cannot afford to offer them for a price that will cover the cost of production. Consumers make a calculus every time a purchase is made - "Can I afford this? Do I want it at this price?" and many, seeing the price required by employers to cover the costs of production that are increased because of minimum wage, say "No."

As a result, either fewer of the items/services are sold, and fewer people are hired. Some businesses even fold.

In an effort to offer products/services at a price that will attract consumers, employers will often hire "off the books," so that they can pay wages that are more in line with what consumers are willing/able to pay.

Since illegal aliens are often not "in the system," they can be paid a wage that is market driven, and not artificially raised according to some bureaucrat's or politician's view of what it "ought" to be.

Legals and American citizens cannot be hired for market driven wages because it is forbidden by law; being legal or citizens, they are "in the system" and if they try to work for a wage that the employer can afford, both they and the employer will suffer legal consequences.

This, and not laziness, is why illegals have jobs that might otherwise be held by Americans; the government has driven them away.

At the same time, the government promotes the hiring of illegals by looking the other way.

The government, therefore, is complicit in this problem, and the employers should not be criminalized.

There is a two-pronged approach to the solution; abolish the minimum wage and do not permit employers to claim the salaries of illegals as tax-deductable business expenses. Illegals would be defined as those employees whose SSNs do not match the names at the Social Security Administration.

 
At 4/22/2006 12:03 AM, Blogger Mike's America said...

Hey Ducky wucky:

Nobody is opposed to a labor market that allows competition to set the price.

Nobody but socialists that is.

The problem is we want the laborers to BE HERE LEGALLY!!!

Is that too difficult to understand or should I repeat myself?

 
At 4/23/2006 2:53 PM, Blogger The Truth Hurts said...

"thetruthhurts should pay attention. The current regime is hell bent on destroying all labor representation. Unions have been crushed, pensions are being eliminated and health coverage is available from the insurance industry loan sharks."

- -As it should be. Unions had a noble goal once, but they have turned into the same self-serving organizations as the companies they despise. The union in its current form is directly responsible for the collapse of pensions and the search for cheap labor due to the huge wages and benefits they demand for thier members.


"You talk about the health infrastructure. i would solve the problem of drug pricing by taking a few company executives with their hands zipped stripped behind them, walk them out to the curb and pull out a Louisville Slugger. Then i would nationalize the industry.
The research is already done by universities and the NIH so we lose little. "

- - ..and the resultant shortage of drugs would be beneficial how?

"Law enforcement? That is expensive because the right wing diaper pissers live scared and like incarceration as a solution. Get real about drugs and drop that cost through the floor. You damn suckers pay prison guards more than teachers and wonder why things are a mess. Funny about libertarians and thumpers...they love cops and soldiers."

- - Oops! less than 3 paragraphs and you're name calling again. So predictable. I AM real about drugs. I've seen more ruined lives from drugs than you can possibly imagine. Jail was a deterrent until you liberals made it just about as comfortable as a social club. If you're so right about curing social ills then explain to me why, as more liberal social and 'rehabilitation' programs are instituted, crime skyrockets?

Funny thing about liberals. They hate cops and soldiers...but I can tell you from experience they are the first ones to scream for our help when they need us. The weakest usually are.



"Notice how the campaign against Walmart has been effective?"

- - Uh, no.

"Notice how the thumper campaign against gay rights has been a bust?"

- - Uh, no.


"You just parrot back some libertarian, capitalist bromides and watch the middle class in America get torn apart. Fools."

- -It has to be unhealthy to be carrying around that much anger and bile.

 
At 4/23/2006 11:20 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Truth Hurts,
Unions had a noble goal once, but they have turned into the same self-serving organizations as the companies they despise.

Even early on, Dickens warned about the negatives of unions.

Duck claims to be healthy, but I agree that all that anger can't be good.

 
At 4/24/2006 8:11 AM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

I must be doing something right if Ducky is insulting me twice in one phrase! That makes my Monday much better! Course if he wants a "thumper" he should have met Ben! heehee, Ben would have had him for breakfast and asked for toast! I'd be surprised if Ducky didn't have ulcers or arthritis by now. Do you suffer from depression,Ducky? I'll bet your blood pressure is 30-50 pts. higher than mine! A calm, joyful outlook with a sense of humor are essential to good health and long life. ...laughter doth good like medicine...

tmw
Good morning all!

 

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