Friday, April 28, 2006

Who Is "Lover of Angels"?

Who Is “Lover of Angels”?

From the above web site:
About: Behind this mask lies not a man but an idea. An idea is bullet-proof. Lover of Angels is a Knight under the Prophet's Banner and Son of the Sword of Saladin.

Interests: "Remember when you sought help of your Lord and He answered you, saying: I will help you with a thousand of the angels each behind the other in succession. This was a message of hope from your Lord to reassure and comfort your hearts, since victory comes only through the help of Allah, the Mighty, the Wise."

Expertise: Research and Writing, Public Speaking

Occupation: Artist

Industry: Education/Research
Two comments left by Lover of Angels at “Ohio Islamic Leader To Be Deported”:
Yes, My doctorate has done enormous damage to the Zionists in America, so much so that the Head Priestess at Hillel once whined, "It's a disgrace that Jewish money is going to pay for this man's salary." BTW, why has LOA never been deported? If ye only knew...
Comment by Lover of Angels— 2005/11/26 @ 01:55 PM

Yes, but think of all those "sleepers", like LOA, who are left behind, live and dangerous. Who knows when the next martyrdom operation might be coming to your town? I do.
Comment by Lover of Angels— 2005/11/28 @ 10:13 AM
The site-meter trail for the above comments appears to lead to Dr. Julio Cèsar Pino of Kent State University. Dr. Pino is “an outspoken apologist for Palestinian terrorism.”

Should such an individual be teaching at one of the leading universities in the United States?

The petition protesting Dr. Pino's employment is here.

Other sites with this petition, and each of them has a unique write-up:

Conservative Central, A Conservative Realist, Democracy Frontline, Elmer's Brother, Infidel Bloggers Alliance, Moving Out Moving On, NeoCon Command Center, Sixth Column, Soccer Mom Unplugged.

168 Comments:

At 4/24/2006 3:18 PM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...

Let's get him, AOW.

 
At 4/24/2006 3:47 PM, Blogger Timothy Birdnow said...

How long will America tolerate spies and traitors while we are engaged in a war to the death?

When are we going to get serious about this?

 
At 4/24/2006 3:55 PM, Blogger nanc said...

i believe it will come to IT getting serious about u.s. before the sleeping giant fully awakens - we're on the fringe, people - hate to say it, but the majority of people out there are uneducated to the ways of propaganda. try talking to another ordinary, everyday christian about islam and do you know what they say? "well, we're supposed to be tolerant of other religions - turn the other cheek - don't gossip." blah, blah, blah...

 
At 4/24/2006 4:41 PM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...

nanc, how right you are. over at my blog provider there was a fellow christian who said that very same thing yesterday. arrgghhhh!

 
At 4/24/2006 5:14 PM, Blogger Cubed © said...

Folks,

Our day is coming. Hang in there!

Still one of my favorite expressions:

"At some point, our collective heads will come up out of the sand, probably propelled by the force of an explosion, and we'll stand, mouths agape like so many fish out of water, trying to comprehend a situation we've done our best to ignore."

 
At 4/24/2006 6:31 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

Same ole same ole rhetoric..Christian and Jew haters have rights as do homosexuals and transgenders..but not religious pple ..heaven forfend u offend a Muzzzzzzzzlim ..then its open season on u..great research AOW!

 
At 4/24/2006 6:31 PM, Anonymous religion of pieces said...

Alsao posted at IBA

"Knight under the Prophet's Banner", translation: rampaging child-rapist.

Compare with a Knight under Christ's banner - Saint George who is so offensive to Muslims.

Muzzies hate Saint George. He's the symbol of Christian chivalry - protection of innocence, defence of the weak against the strong, and respect for women. Not the kind of guy who would violate a nine-year-old.

He's also the patron saint of many countries and cities throughout Christendom and could become a symbol of resistance to Islamisation.

If Saint George were to be adopted as the patron Saint of Islamoskeptic bloggers, then April 23rd might become one of the most offensive dates in the Christian calendar, along with Easter and Christmas.

See
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011163.php

and make a note in next year's diary for the run up to 4/23.

P.S. What do you think the dragon might symbolise?

 
At 4/24/2006 6:50 PM, Blogger nanc said...

china?

 
At 4/24/2006 8:00 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

I'd say FPM should be informed as well.

 
At 4/24/2006 8:07 PM, Blogger Gayle said...

Good job exposing this pos!

I gave up trying to understand idiots like that. It gives me a headache. They aren't going to wake up and smell the coffee until there is nothing left but grounds.

 
At 4/24/2006 9:17 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Religion of Pieces,
What does the dragon symbolize? Evil embodied as I interpret art with St. George depicted.

Legend has it that St. George appeared at Antioch during the Crusades, right before the Muslims were defeated.

BTW, that article just posted at JW is about four years old. But I have no doubt that Muslims in the UK would object to St. George, and particularly the cross.

Saint George. He's the symbol of Christian chivalry - protection of innocence, defence of the weak against the strong, and respect for women.

Just like Sir Walter Scott's character Ivanhoe, the embodiment of what a TRUE knight should be.

BTW, when I was a little girl, my aunt gave me a reproduction of St. George and the Dragon, a small reproduction from the National Gallery of Art. I think it's time to dig our that frame reproduction and hang it on my living-room wall.

 
At 4/24/2006 10:41 PM, Blogger Esther said...

GREAT post, AOW!! Thanks for bringing this hidious excuse of a public educator to our attention.

"Head Priestess at Hillel once whined"

Head Priestess??? Hillel have high priestesses? Since the heck when?? Freak.

 
At 4/24/2006 11:56 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

When the government can't protect us from the enemy within, the government can't protect the enemy within from us.

 
At 4/25/2006 12:27 AM, Blogger City Troll said...

our campuses have become the breading ground for our colapse

 
At 4/25/2006 1:43 AM, Blogger MonicaR said...

Oh. Beamish - I like that one.

 
At 4/25/2006 7:55 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

I prefer the leader behind the gasmask Beamish in 08.

Would our Universities tolerate a person advocating KKK or killing of gays of course not. It is time to realize that the far left is ahem morally flexible. Yesterday the Duck was praising Capital punishment in Iran because he saw an excellent film.

The left are the real rednecks.

 
At 4/25/2006 8:29 AM, Blogger nanc said...

good morning all - this is "holocaust remembrance day" - never again. madze has a great tribute to this day today.

 
At 4/25/2006 9:12 AM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

great exposé AOW...I was trying to find a place to comment at that site. Obviously, they aren't looking for feedback.

 
At 4/25/2006 9:15 AM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

I found this recent post:
http://movingoutmovingon.bloghi.com/2006/04/15/lgf-site-calls-kent-state-university-dr-julio-pino-yet-another-nutty-professor.html

 
At 4/25/2006 9:18 AM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

Here is his email address: edowd@kent.edu

 
At 4/25/2006 9:58 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Iran Watch,
Lover of Angels used to allow comments, but recently discontinued them. Maybe he got challenged too often?

 
At 4/25/2006 10:12 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Dr. Pino was mentioned as early as 2002. From this source:

Kent State University, Ohio: Julio César Pino of the history department published an ode to a Palestinian suicide bomber, lauding her courage and calling on Allah to "elevate your place in paradise."

And published today, April 25, is this:

...So just how profound is the jihadist presence on Western university campuses? Anthony Glees, director of Brunel University's center for intelligence and security studies in West London, issued a report last year stating that "extremists and/or terror groups" have been operating in more than 30 universities in Britain, the Guardian reports.

You would think that with a record like this Muslim university students would be closely monitored. After all, many of the 9/11 terrorists were traveling freely around the West on student visas. More importantly university students are at that tender age when Muslims tend to blow themselves (and others) up. American universities, however, have been extremely reluctant to monitor Muslim students, and, as we've seen in the case of Hashemi, actually compete amongst themselves to bring former terrorists to their campuses. The irony is that students like Hashemi, Ahmed and Taheri-azar are likely to get even more radicalized on U.S. campuses with their steady drumbeat about how racist, sexist, and immoral the U.S. is....

 
At 4/25/2006 10:33 AM, Blogger Brooke said...

You won't find Ducky on this subject; it is indefensible!

This man needs to be publicly humiliated and ran out of Kent on a rail!

There needs to be a referendum on traitors in this country!

SEDITION!!!

 
At 4/25/2006 1:22 PM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...

the edowd email address is for his boss not the professor himself

 
At 4/25/2006 1:38 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

I'm sure his boss will get tired of people sending him e-mails. I'm sure that they will get forwarded to the right person.

 
At 4/25/2006 2:14 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Waaa, waaa !!!!! Please fire Dr. Pino.

he scares us and he says things we don't like.

Please make the world safe for insipid American right wing diaper pissers.

Waaa !!!! Waaa !!!!

 
At 4/25/2006 3:06 PM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...

JB, Ducky,

Yeah imagine if Josef Goebbels had been publishing a newspaper during WWII? Would you chalk that up to free speech too? Even if it meant your liberal arse would be beheaded, shot or gassed?

 
At 4/25/2006 3:57 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Goebbels is the designer of the Chucklenuts administration's media unit. They have the big lie down, cold. Over and over and over and ...

 
At 4/25/2006 5:22 PM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...

I guess I should stop giving to that muslim charity then? and to people who are helping Pakistan rebuild after the quake?

 
At 4/25/2006 5:34 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

John Brownose

I will speak slowly as you are a dimwit. The Mooooooslim cartoons were a freedom of the press issue. This is a Professor being subsidized with taxpayer funds. There is zero relationship in this issue.

I want to also see legislation that will denaturalize all members of the CPT and ISM . If you want to break the lae that is fine but you will be barred from ever returning to the USA.

 
At 4/25/2006 5:40 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

John Brown..too bad that report of you hanging I read at Harpers Ferry must have been untrue.

Isn't it amazing how some people totally miss out on the point.
This isn't a question of free speech, this is a question about who is teaching at our universities and what their real motivations are.

I haven't heard one person say that he doesn't have the right to speak freely, but if he is an enemy of this country than why is he teaching at Kent State?

 
At 4/25/2006 5:42 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

'Goebbels is the designer of the Chucklenuts administration's media unit.'

Well Stalin and Marx were busy helping Hillary plan her presidential run so he was left with Herman.

 
At 4/25/2006 5:45 PM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...

not to mention using university resources to post his hate.

 
At 4/25/2006 5:48 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

White supremacist meltdown over Mo cartoons? I must have missed that. Was that when those freedom loving followers of Allah were burning the Danish flag and threatening to beheaded anyone who insulted Islam?
John Brown, I suggest actually reading the stories and not just the headlines. Supposedly it only takes a sixth-grade education to handle reading the newspaper so you should be fine.

 
At 4/25/2006 5:58 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

lmao@this tool
What rock did you climb out from under.
Bloviate...you're the pompous ass.

"I read what I need to read to get the facts."

Sure you do JB, as long as they fit in with your limited world view.

 
At 4/25/2006 6:06 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

Well it's pretty clear that I know more about Marx than you do about Alan Dershowitz.
Stop sucking at the Noam Chomsky well of foreign affairs and come up with something original on your own.

 
At 4/25/2006 6:30 PM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...

how long were you in Iraq JB?

 
At 4/25/2006 7:06 PM, Blogger nanc said...

liar.

 
At 4/25/2006 7:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

this coming from the guy who won't even let anybody comment on his blog, that's rich! HAHAHAHAHA

 
At 4/25/2006 7:15 PM, Blogger nanc said...

i don't have to post ANY pictures - because i'm sure everybody here gets the photo op you're giving brownieboy. turn around - your hiney's talkin' crappe about you!

 
At 4/25/2006 7:36 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Interesting that evil and insanity are both banal. Humm, wonder if there is a lesson there?

tmw

 
At 4/25/2006 7:40 PM, Blogger nanc said...

i don't know why beamish insists he admit he's a moron before posting when it is all too apparent!

 
At 4/25/2006 8:01 PM, Blogger nanc said...

adhd. need i say more?

 
At 4/25/2006 8:09 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

John Brownnose

Kindly report for beheading unlike the others you have never used your head anyway.

Why not emulate Tom Fox so look for the 19 Pseudostinians that sold him like a cheap call girl, Maybe they can make a bloopers reel of your beheading. Time to go and I do not want one finger lifted to save your commie behind either.

 
At 4/25/2006 8:10 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

from JB's juvenile blog...
Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone;
but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.

Malcolm X

Now I understand where this tool is coming from.
Why are you afraid of comments JB? Can't back up your rants?
Intellectually challenged?
It's cool bro...God really didn't make all men equal.

 
At 4/25/2006 8:12 PM, Blogger nanc said...

at least da weazl let's you comment at his blog...what does that say about brownie boy?

 
At 4/25/2006 8:55 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Well you know the joke about brain transplants, you pay more for a man's because it's never been used. In J.B.'s case, you'll get a refund!

tmw

 
At 4/25/2006 9:14 PM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...

more like winning the lotter!

 
At 4/25/2006 9:20 PM, Blogger nanc said...

O.T. - TONY SNOW NEW W.H. PRESS SECRETARY!

God bless him and keep him.

 
At 4/25/2006 9:42 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
Tony Snow? Off to read a news update right now.

 
At 4/25/2006 9:47 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

AC

You may have been Brownnose's only reader. He has never been reality based . He talks about white supremacy while championing an Colonial slavebased culture with 1400 years of history.

A simple look at the demographics of any Moooooooslim country shows what societies practice aparthied.

 
At 4/25/2006 10:15 PM, Blogger nanc said...

beak - hank snow is claiming tony snow is his brother at fpm first article - bwaaahhhhhhh!!!

 
At 4/26/2006 12:12 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

LoBrow,

Even in the odd chance that you might have something intelligent to say, it is doubtful that the mind-decaying pathogens that cause you to willfully identify yourself as a leftist would allow you to say it.

 
At 4/26/2006 12:25 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Goebbels is the designer of the Chucklenuts administration's media unit. They have the big lie down, cold. Over and over and over and ...

Ducky,

I understand that as a leftist you are ideologically beholden to make sure that everyone you encounter in life realizes that you're somewhat less intelligent than the most average of sweat socks, but having to correct you on Nazi references over and over is overkill. You're an idiot. We get it.

Hitler was a leftist. The Nazis were leftists.

Sit with your own kind, leftist.

 
At 4/26/2006 1:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and we should care what JB says because why?

 
At 4/26/2006 8:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't think of any reasons. For the first time in my entire blogging career, I am completely stumped. If he had any redeeming qualities, I might be upset. But I'm not.

-FJ

 
At 4/26/2006 8:48 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

FJ,
I know what you mean. Deleting comments is an option, I suppose. Goes against my grain, however.

Maybe you and other regular commenters here would give me some input on that option.

I don't even bother reading what JB has to say--a waste of my time. I will not respond to JB either--more waste of time.

 
At 4/26/2006 9:33 AM, Blogger nanc said...

if he would at least weigh in on the issue at hand, that would be a start, but he goes into tirades and gets EVERYBODY off subject. i'd be willing to wager he's what warren says he is. he wears himself out and then disappears for a week or so. a pitiful character, probably needs mental health care. maybe he'll reach out to someone. sure hope they have a loaded gun on hand!

morning everybody!

 
At 4/26/2006 9:56 AM, Blogger nanc said...

O.T.

aow - check your mail please.

AND CONGRATULATIONS TO TONY SNOW!

j.bargholz has an article at autonomist regarding this event.

 
At 4/26/2006 10:20 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Iran watch...can you explain the Marxist position on the gold standard? Thank you in advance although I'm sure you don't have a freakin' clue.

 
At 4/26/2006 10:23 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Nice try beanish, I notice that you try to frame anything destructive as leftist.

This demonstrates that you have no grasp of the strengths and weaknesses of your own positon.

The last time you had a creative thought was when you selected your FreeRepublic screen name.

Run off now, child.

 
At 4/26/2006 10:40 AM, Blogger Mark said...

Hi Mr Ducky! I see you're still peddling your leftist agenda on this excellent blog. How does Always put up with it, I wonder?

Come join us, Mr Ducky? We need people like you on our side! :-)

 
At 4/26/2006 10:44 AM, Blogger nanc said...

not to butt into plucky's and i.w. spat, but there is a wealth of info on google regarding marx. i googled "marxism position on gold standard" and you'd not believe the sites.

http://www.friesian.com/smith.htm

if you scroll down to the notes, it gets very interesting.

soooo happy to be a capitalist pig!

 
At 4/26/2006 10:45 AM, Blogger nanc said...

he does have passion, mark.

 
At 4/26/2006 10:57 AM, Blogger nanc said...

and now to brownieboy, i know how you hate stuff like this:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22203

 
At 4/26/2006 11:12 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

See nanc, that wasn't difficult.

I have tried to encourage the understanding of Marx as a political economist. He was a lousy revolutionary. Came at a time when he was a rather bitter old man, but he was a very good economist.

Read some of his work with an open mind and it will help you find a productive middle ground.

 
At 4/26/2006 11:29 AM, Blogger nanc said...

aow - being a homeschool teacher, have you ever visited this wondy site?:

http://educationwonk.blogspot.com/2006/04/carnival-of-education-week-64.html

 
At 4/26/2006 11:50 AM, Blogger nanc said...

you censor yourself brownie. nobody here would blame aow for helping you along.

 
At 4/26/2006 11:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No earthly rule can ever be absolute.

-FJ

 
At 4/26/2006 12:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

...even those thought to be of divine origin.

-FJ

 
At 4/26/2006 12:18 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

I will never understand you Marxists. You whine and carry on about the superiority of communism, yet you would NEVER take up permanent residence with Castro or Chavez.

Probably because you know what total crapholes those places are. You just cannot admit when you are wrong.

And JB, you begging AOW to censor you when she has already said she won't just makes you look like a platitudinous zombie.

And, since you obviously need direction to remain focused, the subject matter of this post is Professor Terror, Julio Pino.

So, do you support the use of our tax dollars to fund the support of Islamic terror and death to our armed men and women?

 
At 4/26/2006 12:34 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Brooke,
"So, do you support the use of our tax dollars to fund the support of Islamic terror and death to our armed men and women?"

What are you talking about? I believe it was people like yourself and the Chucklenuts administration who supported the invasion of a nation that represented no threat to the U.S. Our tax dollars have certainly supported a lot of destruction there.

Now as for Professor Pino and tax dollars and "supporting terrorism". I support free speech. I am a patriotic American and believe that positive ideas will win in an arena of free speech.

You, on the other hand, appear to be an 85 I.Q. fascist couch potato who wants the police state to destroy anything that makes you upset.

I don't believe that Colombia is a "total craphole" as you call it although that does give insight into your thought process. You are quite likely a stinking little racist, but so be it. I think that Chavez has probably done some good for Colombia. I also fear that he is going to do mischief in the Nicaraugan election to get his buddy Ortega elected over an excellent leftist candidate.

Now one thing we could do to help the situation would be to stop all the spear shaking. You right wing pussies tried a coup against Chavez and that failed, worsening life for Colombians. You clearly can't get Castro out of Cuba so why not shut your useless mouths?

Meanwhile I would like to ask you to point to areas of the Caribbean and Central America which have thrived under the tender ministrations of our sponsored fascism. Seems it's a tough problem, eh?

 
At 4/26/2006 12:45 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Yeah, I don't know why I said Colombia. I believe it's because in the back of my mind I'm aware that is the one South American state at war and curiously the one we are bankrolling.

Funny how that works.

 
At 4/26/2006 12:58 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Ducky and JB, your appeasement of Islamic terror perpetuates it. Because Clinton let the Cole and WTC go the first time, we saw the towers fall later. These folks will do whatever we allow them to get away with, including Pino.

Did I say that Pino should be "burned at the stake" or even procecuted? No. I want him fired for posting his terroist comments at the state's expense. That's not hypocrasy. (And I'd have to do some reading up before I comment on the MSU thing.)

JB and Ducky, the only racists here are you. You have attacked the "white supremecist" over and over. No one here has made any racial comments but YOU. You don't even know what race I am, but let's not let that stop you...

 
At 4/26/2006 1:01 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

You're all for funding terrorism, Brooke. When Ronnie the Crip was bankrolling Saddam and alCIAda, the fascist white supremacist wingnut crew was all for it.

And when it comes to training terrorists, Uncle Sam's Brownshirts - at their death camp in Fort Benning - has trained Posada and many others to wage a terror war.

 
At 4/26/2006 1:06 PM, Blogger nanc said...

what the hell is a white supremacist, anyway? i'm a native american/irish and have a black brother-in-law and think the world of both of us. it is self-inflicted stupidity i abhor. brownieboy has a buttload of it.

 
At 4/26/2006 1:10 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Clinton and the Cole? That attack came at the very end of Clinton's administration. Now take a lesson Brooke.

A response is left to the next administration. That is customary. You don't stick the next administration with something you might not be able to finish.

Chucklenuts chose not to respond. He and Condominium Rice were probably to0 busy "meeting" to form an effective response.

Now run along back to Free Republic Brooke and don't box outside your weight, child.

 
At 4/26/2006 1:13 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Hey John Brown....are you making book that the marks are going to get wise to who sent the tapes from Osama and al-Zaqawi in the same week?

 
At 4/26/2006 1:21 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Ducky, your juvenile,condescending attitude speaks volumes about who is really oustide of their weight class.

You are a tiresome stereotype of the left. When you have nothing better to say, (which is most of the time) you resort to what I'm sure you consider to be 'clever' name-calling, and attempt to make yourself sound intellegent by insulting the acumen of others.

*sigh* Why is the only liberal I can have a decent conversation with JTL, over at my blog?

 
At 4/26/2006 1:28 PM, Blogger nanc said...

brooke - there are some decent liberals, although few and far between.

as for the poopstain - i'm going to pray to the G-d of israel that his comments start disappearing with the help of the administrator of this fine establishment. he's worn out his unwelcome every place he's been; you cannot comment at his blog; he's stuck on stupid and somebody needs to put a penny on his head!

 
At 4/26/2006 1:29 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Thanks Brooke, I knew that the point about Chucklenuts ignoring the Cole briefing and failing to respond would shut you up.

Just another Fascist who walked into a straight right.

 
At 4/26/2006 1:39 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

nanc, you don't seem to get it.

The conversation becomes circular because everyone simply rehashes their personal dogma. The right wing (extreme right wing) is no better than any other and actually far worse.

I do not believe that dialogue is possible any longer. To much parroting of talking points and the right MUST take heavy responsibility for thei part in this sad state of affairs.

Brooke took a few lines from the play book, started mumbling something about "terrorism" and thought that should be received uncritically. He was spanked and deserved it.

 
At 4/26/2006 1:40 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

No, actually. The refusal of Clinton to imprison OBL when he had the chance, combined with his appeasement attitude resulted in, as you said, the bombing of the Cole at the end of his administration. Considering that he was a two-termer, I don't see anyone else he could possibly blame. How is it possible that Bush caused that before his administation was in place? (I assume that you refer to Bush when you say chucklenuts. I didn't bring my Duck decoder ring today.)

How brave of you to troll when you will not allow discourse at your own blog.I'm sure its a shining bastion of liberal nonsense, unmarred by the comments of those who just can't stomach your tommyrot.

 
At 4/26/2006 1:41 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

BTW, Ducky, I'm a she, and you have most certainly not spanked me!

 
At 4/26/2006 1:57 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Hey Beak, I'm betting j.b. is NOI? Ducky just needs his meds. Get 'em together and what do you have? A perpetual motion machine! To bad we can't parent it!

tmw

 
At 4/26/2006 1:58 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

Yeah, Ducky... ironic about the videos, isn't it. The Sinai bombing, too. You'd almost start to think that these bombings are orchestrated by someone other than crazy, cave-dwelling evil Mooslem goblins.

Isn't it funny how these recordings always show up at the most opportune times for 32% and the Gang?

'nanc': when this white supremacist clown censors me, you'll just follow me to the next site. You're better off posting pictures of shit. You look less foolish.

 
At 4/26/2006 1:58 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Excuse meeee! That was supposed to be patented!

tmw

 
At 4/26/2006 1:59 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

Not NOI. I wouldn't join a group who helped the FBI kill Malcolm.

 
At 4/26/2006 2:17 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Malcom lived by the sword, and he died by it. I would suggest that you read a little MLK.

 
At 4/26/2006 2:32 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

No thanks. The FBI killed him, too.

 
At 4/26/2006 2:50 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

al-CIAda. That's kinda funy. I like that.

 
At 4/26/2006 2:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

funy, now that's fony!

-FJ

 
At 4/26/2006 2:57 PM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

The Ducky John/Brown tag-team seems more intend on hurling insults that providing anything substantial to consider. But then again, they are still talking about Marx. What year is this? I have long ago thrown out most of my books on communism and Marxism. They're in the trash heap next to the “Manual of the Flat Earth Society” and “Ptolemy’s Guide to Astronomy” and right behind “Blood Letting: Path to Health and Wealth.”

 
At 4/26/2006 3:02 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

If you want substance, Jason, go elsewhere. You're not going to find it on the Rummy-worshiping neo-fascist blogosphere. Try the Financial Times, perhaps.

Here you find nothing but hypocritical windbags who hate free speech, advocate apartheid, vilify teachers for saying troubling words, and post photos of feces.

 
At 4/26/2006 3:03 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

And don't try to fool us into thinking you had books, either, funny guy.

 
At 4/26/2006 3:26 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Sorry JB, I know for a fact that Jason has the complete Daniel Pipes library.

Now when all is said and done, Marx will still be an instructive political economist and Pipes will still be a Kahanist butt munch.

I don't know where that leaves Jason.

 
At 4/26/2006 3:30 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

I think Ducky would find a site I spend most of my time on to be refreshing: www.trollwars.com Most of the posters there are older and bitter with the current political system. None of the posts are censored, either.

However, I don't think John Brown would last there beyond a day's worth of his spewage.

For the rest of you, I wouldn't recommend it; too vicious for those here.
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As to the topic here... while I disappoint Ducky with my adversity to Islam as the evil bogeyman, I am certainly no fan now of Bush - and I voted for him! He might have been the best choice over John F-ing Kerry, but Bush and his globalist garbage and ties to the CFR have me rejecting the kool-aid the republicans are offering.

Open borders? The CFR was laughing off the job losses of millions of Americans as "a few paltry weeks of job gains in other areas." These people do NOT serve the American interest and I am angry that BOTH parties of this ridiculously corrupt two-party system ascribe to the CFR.

Our constitution is long dead and it makes me sick.

 
At 4/26/2006 3:42 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Might add, too - Tony Snow is a sharp guy. But let's be realistic. Snow isn't taking Bush's place; he's taking a job as a paid mouthpiece.

None of Snow's policy views are going to matter. H is paid to repeat what he's told.

Net effect: no change in the administration, but an obvious attempt to shore up Bush's crumbling conservative base.

 
At 4/26/2006 3:50 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

I think you have to be more granular, Mussolini, when you say "these people do not serve America's interest". Clearly they serve someone's interest or it wouldn't be happening.

Myself, I see this current administration putting the final nail in the coffin of American social mobility. It's being done in a variety of ways and I think you agree.

You piss me off only because I figure you to be smart enough to see through this "muslim threat" diversion.

 
At 4/26/2006 4:04 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

"You piss me off only because I figure you to be smart enough to see through this "muslim threat" diversion."

Ducky... I think you are simply making an assumption about my thinking based on what 90% of what other "conservatives" might think. You, yourself, understand the vitriol and hatred being preached and funded by Saudi Arabia.

That a threat exists due to this vitriol, no one can deny.

As to what Bush has said... I find it amazingly hard to imagine the HYPER-power of the world still not being "able" after 5 years to assassinate enemy #1, OBL.

We know where the faggot is. Does any thinking American think it is credible that we "can't" send in a team to waste this guy's ass?

I don't buy the excuses.

So, Ducky, while I believe the threat is real, I also believe we're being snowed.

No, I've never explained that before here, so there was no reason for you to assume I thought otherwise.

 
At 4/26/2006 4:11 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Lets divide and conquer . We have the sane opposition Ducky and the illucid cartoon John Brownose.

Their history of Marx seems to leave out relevant facts roughly 100,000,000 of them. This history also leaves out a lengthy pattern of subversion, treason and espoinage all over the globe. Brown quotes Trotsky who believed in exporting revolution and fails to mention how his wasteful life ended in Mexico City. Brownnose also fails to mention who was allied with the Nazis. Nor does he mention the brutal rule of the Communist also created a plethora of Hiwis. 25% of Paulus's army was comprised of Hiwis. The oft cited 20 million casualty figure includes 1.5 million Jews and assorted Soviet citizens killed in Purges or local Commie whims. In other words Stalin liquidates a series of people and the figure gets added into the war tally. This must be Grouchomarxist math of some type.

The Duck is coherent and should be answered . Brown has no grasp of basic facts and should be treated as a bumbling simpleton.

 
At 4/26/2006 4:12 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

More granular? The CFR and the Rothschilds and the European incarnation of the old Illuminati had positive goals.

The formation of a one-world government structure in a world of wars and death?

I believe that is a noble goal.

However, I do not agree with it. Their interest? To use America as a global welfare provider to not only reduce America's stature, but to raise those of the third world for the welfare of those citizens.

In the latest news issue on the CFR site, I found it refreshing that France - of all nations! - is bucking the globalist trend. The CFR spoke of this in condescending tones as if France were an errant child!

France? Freedom?

The article mentions that despite the engineered mixing of millions of muslims, the French peoples retained an unexpected identity and nationalism that was frustrating their integration into the EU. This was not making the CFR people happy.

There's more to America than the silly media outlets are giving us. All the news is the same five stories? Always about a stupid car chase or some spouse that gets killed? This is what we are fed in a world of danger?

I can't believe so many people swallow what's given them.

 
At 4/26/2006 4:21 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

No, mussolini, I don't think it's credible that we can't waste Osama's butt, assuming he is alive and I'm dubious there.

As for Saudi, preaching hate. Sure they down but we have thrown in with the devil there and allowed the royal family to "maintain order" at the expense of letting that crap loose in the world.

So yes, I think we do agree that there is maybe not so much a threat, but a cancer that grows. We also agree that Chucklenuts is doing nothing about it and this Iraq fiasco was undertaken for reasons we may never entirely know.

 
At 4/26/2006 4:30 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

I wouldn't try to get Beak to admit our complicity in the Guatemalan slaughter. That gives him a headache.

 
At 4/26/2006 4:58 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

A cancer, exactly, and I think you are right: we may never know the truth about why we went to Iraq.

I suspect we went for reasons that are unseen, even by Bush himself.

But I am a religious person and those reasons have nothing to do with politics.

 
At 4/26/2006 5:04 PM, Blogger nanc said...

the very best part of this thread is aow's students get to see just how radical and idiotic the other side is and hopefully will not follow "lockstep" as brownieboy so often likes to point out. why on earth anybody would like to be affiliated with any party he's a party to is beyond me. certifiable i tell you.

to aow students: do not suffer fools gladly. of course, from bantering with one of you - i know you're much smarter than that. i'd like to know how aow students feel about the brown one.

 
At 4/26/2006 5:15 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Note how JB "tops" the supposedly "false" record of communist deaths with one a little higher for America.

He doesn't bother to address the figures for communism in total: over 100 million deaths to communism in the 20th century.

I'd sure like to know how America killed even a million, anywhere. Our bloodiest war was the civil war and we killed... just a little over 500,000 of each other.

JB: Yeah, I'm not real fond of the relationship we have with Suad. It is NOT in America's interests.

 
At 4/26/2006 5:27 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Ducky

The mayhem in Guatemala was started by Communsts. To blame the USA for deaths in a Civil War started by Communists is false and a bad joke. Your number includes casualties on both sides in a fight started by Communists. Funny wherever Commies go bodies follow.

Brown you have failed history 101. Even the furthest left Commie critics do not make your absurd claims. The majority of the deaths in Cuba and the Philipnnes took place in the Spanish American War.
The insurection in the Philipinnes
should seem familiar to you more people from the religion of Peace
failing to get along with others.

In short Brown you are a cartoon charchter and Ducky is just wrong as usual. As for your depictions of my relationship with AOW. AOW , Warren, Jason and Mr Beamish are friends of mine. Funny, I can't seem to recall a single one of yours even the Duck barely tolerates your ignorance.

 
At 4/26/2006 5:45 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

"John Brown said...At least Cuba and Venezuela don't attack other countries on the basis of lies, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people while training death squads"

Probably one of the most ignorant statements I've seen at any post. Death squads are hard at work in Venezuel eradicating anyone suspected in a previous coup attempt and Castro's paradise didn't stop hundreds of thousands to migrate to southern Florida.
I think we have a love connection here..

 
At 4/26/2006 5:55 PM, Blogger nanc said...

a.c. - you definitely do not see people DYING to get INTO those places!!!

 
At 4/26/2006 6:16 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

CENSORMAN's little toady, Benito: listen.

I'll take the bait and talk about the past rather than the present, your chosen tactic to avoid discussing Uncle Sam's role in the ongoing Arabian genocide.

Your 100,000,000 figure is just nonsene. There's not one source that substantiates it. You're just a liar. The debate is really between 20 million and 1 million.

The 20,000,000 people are the Cheney's and Pipes's of academia - pure liars given nice endowments from the Ford Foundation to make stuff up. They say things like 2 million in Korea, 1 million in Vietnam. Pure nonsense, considering that Uncle Sam was direcly responsible - with Truman's dam bombing runs, Kennedy's concentration camps, and Nixon's napalm - for millions and millions and millions of Koreans and Vietnamese.

A more accurate historical number is about 1.5 million people. I suppose, for a group of wretched bandits who killed Trotsky and destroyed Lenin's political philosophy, that's understandable. It's not 200 or 300 years of slavery or the genocide of 25,000,000 Native Americans, but it's rotten. I sure wouldn't have suppported them. But I wouldn't have supported the Nazis, either, which makes me at least 1 "Trading With the Enemy" convition better than the Bush family.

 
At 4/26/2006 6:35 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

1.5 million? Really? Gosh ... I'm just such a liar.

Wow... I guess all those dead Ukrainians don't count? Communist-engineered famine. Conservative estimates put the dead 9 million over your 1.5 million figure.

Hell, Cambodia alone take your entire amount. Over a mill.

The chinese genocide against the Mongols is 1.5 million alone - as a conservative estimate! from here.

The historical record is against you JB.

Tell me, do you hate all America, or just the hypocrite government?

One thing I've learned over the decades: the first person who calls the other a liar is almost always a liar themselves. Are you comfortable with your own lies?

 
At 4/26/2006 6:36 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

Venezuelan death sqauds, eh?

Idiotic nonsense. You're a liar. Not one source substantiates this. It's just wind from a fool's mouth.

The death squads are the renenegade traitors who collaboarted with President 32% in their failed kidnapping and coup d'etat against their democratically elected President (unlike President 32%). The first declaration of the coup government, until the Venezuelan people took power back, was to disband the supreme court, dissolve the legislature, and arrest the cabinet.

That's what you represent, Beak: pure, unbridled fascism. You're what Trostky talked about needing to fight.

And regarding Cuba, people like Posada Carilles - a CIA spook who blew up a Cuban airplane, killing 73 civillians = and Kennedy's little Bay of Pigs are the terrorists. And Uncle Sam won't even extradite him. He's a terrorist according to your little Patriot Act, but you don't care. In fact, you want to make him a CITIZEN. I thought you hated "Illegal Immigration"?

Even still, while the CIA has been trying to kill Castro for decades, Castro's Cuba has never set foot on Uncle Sam's Plantation.

You're dumber than any poor soul taught by the operator of this site. When they read what you write, they actually unlearn!

And "Communists" did Guatemala! Christ Almighty, bro. What are you? 5 Years Old? A John Bircher?

Read a book.

 
At 4/26/2006 6:50 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

"Read a book." The common refrain for uneducated people to make themselves look better than others...

The very ones who should do their own reading, instead of parroting some hysterical conspiracy crap.

 
At 4/26/2006 6:52 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

You can tell a lot from who people support.

In Ukraine, you side with Ukranaians supported Hitler and were responsible for many of the 25,000,000 Soviet deaths during World War II, when Stalin was Uncle Sam's ally.

I don't know anything about the source or the event you cite anything regarding China, but the capitalist Opium Wars and capitalist engineered famine in the 19th century (Mike Davis, Late Victorian Holocausts were worse than anything the Chinese ever did to anyone else.

And Uncle Sam's attack on Cambodians that enabled Pol Pot killed more people than any "communism" present there. To call the Khymer Rouge a communist is not much different than calling Hillary Clinton a communist. An inability to describe with accuracy is not grounds to lie.

Then again, I guess that's how you get to 20,000,000 - lying, 5-Deferment-Cheney style.

 
At 4/26/2006 6:54 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

"Burn a book." That's your refrain, right Benito?

 
At 4/26/2006 7:04 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Don't mistake my avatar for my political ideology....

 
At 4/26/2006 7:14 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

If anything, I am a libertarian who disagrees with the open border bullshit. Otherwise I agree with the rest of the platform.

 
At 4/26/2006 7:20 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
to aow students: do not suffer fools gladly. of course, from bantering with one of you - i know you're much smarter than that. i'd like to know how aow students feel about the brown one.

Some of my students and their parents read my blog, and I've already heard their opinions as to certain comments on other threads. Many of these students and parents have come to an evaluation which certain comments don't promote. A bit of reverse psychology going on, if you get my meaning: "We have seen the enemy and get the picture."

Often, my student and parent visitors don't comment, and this time of the term is especially busy. But I'll be seeing many of the highschoolers tomorrow and will find out what they have noticed. I suspect that I already know what they'll say.

Right now, in the history textbook, we're studying some of the humanistic ideologies which thrived during The Roaring Twenties. The book is from the conservative viewpoint and makes points about the irrationality and futility of certain ideologies. What's been going on at this thread just confirms the textbook's editorializing--no mistake about that. Hehehe.

Just another observation here...The topic of this particular blog-article is the virulent hatred of Dr. Pino. Is there now any question that such virulent hatred can have impact in our society? I have to wonder if Dr. Pino has a twin brother who is commenting here--or perhaps a brainwashed student of his. The latter makes it all the more imperative to sign the petition, to which the link is in the blog article.

 
At 4/26/2006 7:24 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak,
We have the sane opposition Ducky...

And when the illucid one's comments pop into my inbox, I delete them without bothering to read any of it. No point really, and the one-note tune is boring, something Duck is not (at least, most of the time, though lately he's obsessed with the diaper metaphor).

 
At 4/26/2006 7:26 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
So, Ducky, while I believe the threat is real, I also believe we're being snowed.

Diversions from the diversions?

The threat is real, but there's plenty of snowing going on as well.

 
At 4/26/2006 7:32 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Brooke,
BTW, Ducky, I'm a she, and you have most certainly not spanked me!

Duck often assumes that commenters are men and rarely checks profiles as far as I can tell. Maybe he's pressed for time.

 
At 4/26/2006 7:33 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

AOW,
I am about to contact Ohio papers. ;-)

 
At 4/26/2006 8:01 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Yes, we're being snowed - and not just on the terrorism issue - credible threat that it is.

Today on Fox News I listened to Ed Gillespie (former RNC chair) explain that the American public supports the president in overwhelming numbers to give all illegals amnesty. He substantiated this by sayinf you could get any answer you want if you phrase the question differently.

Well, duh.

Further, when quoted the actual figures of the % of Americans that don;t want amnesty yet the president is bucking the country on this, Ed trotted out the somber: "the president cares very deeply about this issue..."

Wow. Stop everything. It doesn;t matter that 99% of the American populace does not want to reward ILLEGAL behavior with amnesty, the president "cares very deeply about this issue!"

Well... hell. I guess I'll sleep better at night knowing that he cares deeply and that he's going to screw America by pushing for complete amnesty. Well, that makes it all better!

I'm tired of drinking the kool-aid. I really am.

 
At 4/26/2006 8:18 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Lost in all Browstains rants is another comic gen. He cites 25,000,000 Native Americans slaughtered. Well the vast majority of those deaths occurred from diseases for which Native Americans had no immunity.

Now Brownstain chooses to ignore the plight of Jews and Christians invaded by Muslim hordes. The moral is that indigenous people have rights except when the colonialist carry a Koran.

Slavery is wrong when done by the West but even greater slavery is peachy as long as it is done by the sons of Allah or by Commies in Gulags.

Never fault Mussolini on history you are lost without a clue.

Vote Beamish in 08.

 
At 4/26/2006 8:41 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
GWB's position on the immigration issue is one of the biggest blizzards in this administration. His verbal song-and-dance, in the name of "compassion," is surreal. I've become a bitter cynic now, as far as politics goes.

 
At 4/26/2006 8:46 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Missing Link,
I am about to contact Ohio papers. ;-)

Keep us informed on the response, please.

 
At 4/26/2006 9:05 PM, Blogger nanc said...

aow - i hope that you'll share some of the comments of your students AND parents with us!

if i showed one of my kids a brownieboy statement, they'd wonder if it was indeed their demented leftwing grandmother! yeah, i have conservative children (3) and grandchildren (2) and two up and coming conservative grandchildren! thank God for good parenting - kids who believe in consequences.

 
At 4/26/2006 9:05 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Where did this 100 million figure come from. Myself think he Black Book is full of crap and I'm someone whose family lost people in the Ukrainian famine, which was an ethnic genocide, not political.

Probably 10 million there. Roughly 2 to 3 million died in the Gulag, well under the number we killed in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

I believe the Black Book hacks include Russian deaths in World War II which is silly.

Anyway, the regime was brutal but the dead were probably around 15 million and most of those were due to the worst ethnic genocide in human history.

Throwing around the 100 million number is dishonest because it is done so that you can convince yourself that America, the nation of God(LMAO) shits chocolate ice cream and pisses perfume. Highly dishonest.

 
At 4/26/2006 10:49 PM, Blogger nanc said...

i'd ban you just based on your foul language and racial slurs and not lose a moment's sleep.

foul language is a feebleminded attempt at communication.

 
At 4/26/2006 10:51 PM, Blogger nanc said...

p.s. - where'd you say you attended university, brownie? i want to make sure my children go nowhere near it if it turns out people - and i use that term loosely - like you.

 
At 4/26/2006 11:08 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

I thought I was clear. Communism is responsible for 100 million deaths in the 20th century. I didn't say the Soviets.

Communism includes ALL communist countries.

Soviet communism ranges from the starvation of Ukrainians to the pogroms and gulags of the 50s and 60s. Estimates for that period range from 25 to 40 mill. Just quoting what I've read. I don't quote upper or lower estimates - just the average.

There are many who claim only 600,000 Jews died in Germany and that the Jews were involved. I don't quote bullshit like that. The best accepted number is 6 mill.

 
At 4/26/2006 11:20 PM, Blogger nanc said...

oh, you were clear, mussolini and that happens to be the left's favorite color.

i'll go with the 6.5 million number of God's people who died in the holocaust.

 
At 4/26/2006 11:29 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

LoBrow,

You have been informed several times that you are not "censored" on my blog. I have merely used my discretion to prevent your postings from being published on my blog until they come with an honest admission that you're a moron.

I think this is entirely fair, particularly in the sense that it has been my experience that idiocy and leftism are like smoke and fire. You see idiocy, you'll find a leftist behind it.

But I don't "censor" people for stupidity. Otherwise no leftists at all would post on my site. Even Ducky, whenever he feels the need to be pimp-slapped around by his betters, finds the stones to be comfortable with his stupidity and post leftist crap on my blog.

But even Ducky, who wouldn't even begin to know how to outsmart a milk crate, knows when he's been bested and shuts the hell up on his own accord.

 
At 4/26/2006 11:36 PM, Blogger nanc said...

i'll attest to the fact that he's a moron, beamish. please?

 
At 4/27/2006 12:28 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Nice try beanish, I notice that you try to frame anything destructive as leftist.

Wanna play dueling military history references?

This demonstrates that you have no grasp of the strengths and weaknesses of your own positon.

Cute. In an actual logical demonstration, the premise isn't supposed to be the conclusion. Don't rush yourself in over your head Ducky. We'll get to that after you master the whole learning the difference between hankerchieves and your shirtsleeves thing.

But for now, can you walk me through the alleged weakness in my position, which has steadfastly been that leftists are idiots?

 
At 4/27/2006 12:59 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

i'll attest to the fact that he's a moron, beamish. please?

Nanc,

You are but one among many credible witnesses of LoBrow's stupidity in this consensus perception construct we affectionately call reality.

LoBrow needs to acknowledge this. If no other fact passes from him hence or forth and all points in betwixt, he should at least accept something he is constantly told by a wide cross section of people as verifiably true.

It's not like a Sisyphean challenge has been issues to LoBrow. He just admits to being a moron, and presto, he's in like Flynn.

 
At 4/27/2006 5:47 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

My patience has run out. 'Nuff said.

 
At 4/27/2006 5:58 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Ducky

The figure 100,000,000 does not include the deaths of WW2. The numbers include 11,000,000 starved in the Ukraine. The book attributes around 60,000,000 deaths
to Mao.

Do notice the silence of Brownstain
to the hypocrisy of condeming America for slavery and brutal treatment of indigenous people while endorsing those practices in Islamic Civ.

 
At 4/27/2006 7:27 AM, Blogger nanc said...

aow! woman of the year! praise God, pour the whine and cut the cheese!

 
At 4/27/2006 7:28 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't suppose there's a river or two around here that can be diverted. It sure made Hercules 5th labor easier.

-FJ

 
At 4/27/2006 7:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess it goes to show that when Marx set out to eliminate class differences, he ended up eliminating all class as well.

-FJ

 
At 4/27/2006 7:38 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I also figure that no more "engagement" is the way to go. But that is not the only remedy.

 
At 4/27/2006 7:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I keep saying that teaching can be an exercise in futility, especially if the student already thinks he knows the answers.

Such students require the Torpedoes touch (Plato, "Meno") and someone who cares enough to administer it.

-FJ

 
At 4/27/2006 8:38 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
If you see TMW around, let her know that I answered her email.

 
At 4/27/2006 9:46 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

mussolini, I suggest you pick up Ann Applebaum's book "Gulag: A History".

She's an excellent writer and the first to produce a book from research of the recently opened Soviet archives. Really an outstanding book.

Claiming that Soviet deaths from executions or imprisonment were 25 - 60 million during the 50's and 60's at a time when Khrushchev was trying to undo the madness is at odds with any scholarly work on the subject. Pick up the book ... it's probably the best out there.

There will be a few reactionary buttcracks who interpret this as some defense of Papa Joe's insane forced labor system. So be it. I present it only because you seem interested in scholarship.

 
At 4/27/2006 10:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

...and, of course, you can't beat Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's "Gulag Archipelago" for a first-hand account of what it was like to sit-it-out under conditions of "internal exile" during the Kruschev years, either.

-FJ

 
At 4/27/2006 10:28 AM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Pol Pot and the Khmer Roug came to power as a communist government trying to establish a utopian society that ended up killing well over 2 million Cambodians. Blaming that on the US is ridiculous. Pol Pot was originally a member of the French Communist Party. He started a Communist led revolt in 1953 in Cambodia, long before United States was even in Southeast Asia.
JB..what a to complete tool you are.

 
At 4/27/2006 10:30 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky, the book sounds interesting. I'll look for it.

But ... I thought I was clear. Maybe I'm getting to old for this shit. Soviet communism - responsible for up to 40 million deaths in the 20th century... from the following methods:

starvation of Ukrainians (as one of the methods)
to the pogroms (as another of the methods)
and gulags of the 50s and 60s (as another of the methods)

I never claimed any ONE of those methods was responsible for all 40 million deaths.

 
At 4/27/2006 10:31 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

You certainly can beat it Farmer. It has value in it's description of life in some camps but it does not have the historical accuracy of Applebaum's work.

Solzhenitsyn was a funny guy. He wanted a return of czarist government and really bought into the idea that the Russian nation would only come into ascension through the suffering of the Russian people. The theme is consistent in Russian thought even before Dostoevsky.

I am suggesting you don't try to go toe to toe with a Ukrainian whose living relatives tunneled off the Gulag on this one farmer.

Solzhenitsyn is instructive and certainly of more value than the laughable Black Book but you demonstrate how easily he leads to a shallow interpretation of a complex history.

You dissapoint me. I know you aren't one of the Beamish types who watches military clips on the History Channel while he plesures himself. I expect more depth from you.

 
At 4/27/2006 10:45 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

I should add that my method list for the deaths is far from complete.

 
At 4/27/2006 11:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry duck,

But I've no dog in the fight, other than to say, AS's depictions in "Cancer Ward" were spot-on.... and his "A Day in the Life" was mesmerizing. I found "Gulag" a little too long for may taste, but then, AS had to keep his notes hidden for many years in a place where he wouldn't be searched.... so I am rather surprised at its' length.

Where did Applebaum get her material? The Soviet archive? I guess there is room for a little more papaer in THAT storage facility. LOL!

-FJ

 
At 4/27/2006 11:39 AM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

AoW- Got it, replied! Thank you, maybe someone can explain in simple language why my computer doesn't let me post with word verification?

tmw

 
At 4/27/2006 11:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would appear to users of the Internet that to avoid irrelevancy and extinction, the modern Marxist has adopted the survival tactics of the family Culicidae, only the buzzing noise they emit serves to distract, rather than attract the attention of higher species. One often wonders how long their host will be capable of suffering their proliferation. But as history has proven, attempts at erradication can have unintended consequences.

But such is life.

-FJ

 
At 4/27/2006 12:28 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Farmer, don't try to deflect the fact that you were uncritical when you bought into Solzhenitsyn's discredited figure.
The buzzing you complain about is no worse than diletanttes posting an excerpt from Plato at every juncture.

 
At 4/27/2006 12:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who has discredited AS? YOU? LOL! And I'm glad that my posting of Plato annoys you, mr. ducky.

And as for my being a dilettante, you pay me the highest compliment a philosopher could ever aspire to. My heart-felt thanks.

It could have been much worse. You could have called me a professor.

-FJ

 
At 4/27/2006 1:21 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

American Crusader, I am afraid that out incursions into Cambodia, destabilization of the Sihanouk government and bombings all played their part in that sorry incident.

The old Foggy Bottom Bombardier has to take some responsibility for generating that chaos.

 
At 4/27/2006 2:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The crime for which Solzhenitsyn spent 8 years in the Gulag and 10 years of internal exile in Siberia...

He wrote a letter that said the Germans had better equipment...

The crimes for which most "politicals" were sent to the gulag....

...


...


...

Oooops. There aren't any.

-FJ

 
At 4/27/2006 2:19 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Farmer, politicals were about 15% of the Gulag population.

 
At 4/27/2006 2:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, since the criminals were the trustees, who made up the other 80%? LOL!


Ever see "Enemy at the Gate"? Now you know what it means to be a member of a "penal battalion"... or a Soviet "Guard" division. Gee, I wonder why Soviet "guard" divisions always "backed up" Soviet "Penal" battalions....

Here's a rifle (empty) Ivan. Sergie, here's a clip w/five bullets. Now follow Ivan. As soon as he gets killed, pick up his weapon and load it...

-FJ

 
At 4/27/2006 4:26 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

ducky...A lot of people will agree with you but I think America actually kept Pol Pot out of power.
He came in 1953 and wasn't able to come into power until we were disengaging from Vietnam.
He took control of Cambodia in 1975. I will give you the fact that America's incursions cost Prince Sihanouk his popularity and helped destabilize the country.
Still, America and the French before them at least slowed his rise to power.

 
At 4/27/2006 9:51 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

It's been a long time, but I've read all the Solzhenitsyn books aforementioned. All were riveting reads.

As to Applebaum's book, if I recall correctly, it is in the historical format but not nearly as engrossing.

I hardly think that Soviet files can be relied upon for accuracy.

 
At 4/28/2006 12:56 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Ducky,

Do you always whimper like a little bitch and run away from lost arguments, or just those you've lost to me?

 
At 4/28/2006 1:18 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

FJ,

Marxist mosquitoes?

A lil' soap in the puddle suffocates them.

And you wondered why hippies smell.

 
At 4/28/2006 6:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

beamish,

They don't smell, they reek!

-FJ

 
At 4/28/2006 7:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Southpark, "Die Hippie, Die!"

Cartman: I'm talking about the end of all life as we know it. [some surprise is seen among the council members] For the past several days I've been... noticing a steep rise in the number of hippies coming to town. [puts a laptop on the table and turns it on] At first I thought maybe it was just a coincidence. [pulls a projector towards the laptop] Then I saw this... [connects the projector to the laptop, and the projector turns on. Everyone then looks at the screen. Cartman goes to it and points a few things out] Three new drum circles have sprouted up here, here, and here. They're all growing in diameter, at a rate of two hippies per hour. What this means... is that the hippies are conglomerating. They'er thriving, if you will. I think that they're setting up for a... [close-up]. hippie music festival.

Linda: A what?

Cartman: Ti's, it's simple science. Look: When hippies start to nest in a new area, it draws other hippies in. With the right weather conditions and topography, it can lead to a music festival. One that last for days, even weeks. Reggae on the River, Woodstock, Burning Man, they will all pale in comparison to what we're looking at now. In my professional opinion... I think we're looking at a full-blown hippie jam festival the size of which we've never seen. [the adults don't get it, Cartman sighs heavily]

Mayor McDaniels: Kid, what the hell are you talking about?

Cartman: I know hippies. I've hated them all my life. I've kept this town free of hippies on my own since I was five and a half. But I can't contain them on my own anymore. We have to do something, fast!

Mr. Mackey: Uh, Eric, we're, we're talkin' about potholes right now, m'kay.

Cartman: It's not potholes you need to worry about. It's potheads. I know what these people are capable of.

Mayor McDaniels: Johnson, get him out of here. [Johnson rises and goes for Cartman]


-FJ

 
At 4/28/2006 9:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Note for American Crusader...

Loved your last webpost (not here). Reminded me of something...

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/brian/brian-08.htm

-FJ

 
At 4/28/2006 11:02 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Ah, those cases in Latin. Funny link, Farmer! Reminds me of the tedium of my Latin classes. Hehehe.

 

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