Friday, June 02, 2006

Educating Hamas

In her presentation at the April 29, 2006 America's Truth Forum Symposium, Brigitte Gabriel mentioned that Hamas has cells right here in the United States, in forty of our fifty states. She rattled off a list so rapidly that I couldn't take down every U.S. city mentioned.

The very next day, an article about some of Hamas's members having received higher education here in our universities appeared in the Washington Post. The article is reproduced below in its entirety (emphases mine):
Distance Learning: Hamas's U.S. Education

"In an effort to pressure the Islamic Resistance Movement, or Hamas, to renounce terrorism and recognize Israel, the United States has suspended hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to the Palestinian Authority. But fortunately for the new Hamas-led government, its cabinet boasts well-trained economists, engineers and planners ready to tackle the fiscal straits. Where did they get that training? Start with Iowa.

"Of the 24 cabinet members, four attended college or graduate school — or both — at U.S. institutions, and a fifth had a postgraduate fellowship here. Two other senior Hamas political leaders also earned advanced degrees in the United States.

"They were among the hundreds of Arab students drawn to U.S. campuses in the late 1970s and 1980s, a time when the United States was trying to prevent the spread of the Iranian revolution in the Middle East. Some received subsidies through the U.S. Agency for International Development, and others won scholarships through the largely Saudi-funded Arab Student Aid International.

"Finance Minister Omar Abdel Razek spent eight years in Iowa, first at Coe College in Cedar Rapids, where he graduated magna cum laude, and then at Iowa State University. Despite his continued opposition to the Bush administration's policies, Razek has fond memories of Iowa and of his Jewish first-year roommate. 'They were the best four years in my life, actually,' he said."

-- Mark Matthews
Former Middle East correspondent,
Baltimore Sun
The following provides additional specifics, from the same Washington Post article:
Abdul Rahman Zeidan
Minister of Transportation
BA, civil engineering
University of Alabama at Birmingham (1985)

Sameer Abu Eisheh
Minister of Planning
MS (1984) and PhD (1987)
Civil engineering
Pennsylvania State University

Aziz Duwaik
Speaker, Palestinian Legislative Council (parliament)
MA, geography
State University of New York at Binghamton (1983)
PhD, regional science
University of Pennsylvania (1988)

Wasfi Kabaha
Minister of Prisoners and Released Prisoners' Affairs
BS, civil engineering
University of Detroit (now University of Detroit at Mercy) (1984)

Omar Abdel Razek
Minister of Finance
BA, with majors in mathematics, economics and computer science
Coe College, Cedar Rapids, Iowa (1982)
PhD, economics
Iowa State University (1986)

Naser al-Shaer
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Education
Institute Fellow, Multinational Institute of American Studies
New York University
Studied religion in American history (1998)

Mousa Abu Marzook
Deputy chief of Hamas political bureau (Damascus, Syria)
MA, industrial science
Colorado State University (1984)
Studied engineering
Louisiana Tech University

NOTE: Omar Abdel Razek and Sameer Abu Eisheh do not identify themselves as members of Hamas.
At least some of the outreach to Arab students didn't quite work out as the United States planned. Are we still making that same mistake — training the enemy in strategies to use against us?


At 6/02/2006 11:33 PM, Blogger Timothy Birdnow said...

A capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with --
Vladimir Lenin

Right idea, wrong executioners!

Great post; I`m going to link it up.

At 6/03/2006 2:07 AM, Blogger MissingLink said...

Oh, this is so sad.
And of course the universities confirm their opinion about the US (Evil Satan).

Funny they still value your education.

At 6/03/2006 6:56 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

This is not surprising as Universities rationalize and are the spinmiesters for Islamomarxism

At 6/03/2006 7:57 AM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

It is sad, All because we threw G*D out! With nothing to check our evil impulses we tend to go from bad to worse. When you feed the sharks they tend to congregate and start eyeing you! Pure, short sighted stupidity!

P.S. Excellent article, AoW, as usual!

At 6/03/2006 9:38 AM, Blogger nanc said...

it is said that we teach others how to treat us. right under our noses. God will win. be assured of that.

At 6/03/2006 9:53 AM, Anonymous Mustang said...

It is right, and proper, that when military personnel are accused of perpetrating heinous crimes against foreign civilians, the matter should be thoroughly investigated and disciplinary action taken in cases where crimes were in fact committed.

Now, when government officials allow known terrorists to enter this country and murder 3,000 citizens, and there is an investigation, why is NO ONE held accountable? It isn’t just Madeline Albrecht, or Colon Powell, either . . . Connie Rice has allowed scores of terrorists to enter our country too.

I guess I’m not really surprised by this . . . but I am amazed by the absence of cries of outrage by American citizens because WE ARE THEIR TARGETS. Are all Middle Eastern people attending college here terrorists? No, of course not. But given the fact that we are at war, I think they should be attending schools somewhere else. After all, I don’t recall our government allowing anyone from Japan to attend school in the USA during World War II.

At 6/03/2006 11:57 AM, Blogger nanc said...

but most of them swear they just want peace, mustang. gee whiz wally, do you think?

i know one thing - i'm not allowing them to love me to death.

At 6/03/2006 12:06 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

What strategies are they learning in civil engineering classes?

If they need engineering info they can just go to the iraqis anyhow. Very good civil engineers.

At 6/03/2006 12:58 PM, Anonymous Monica-Philadelphia said...

This makes me sick.

At 6/03/2006 1:03 PM, Blogger gandalf said...

The Islamic education system is not good, most Universities produce Dr's in Islamic studies.

These universities themselves agree that they have neglected the sciences in favour of Islamic based courses.

The vast majority of the Science knowledge base is western, nearly all of Medicine is western, technology is totally western, and that includes Japan, I am not speaking geographically here.

These people who come to study in our universities do so with the intent of using the knowledge gained for the furtherment of Allah
in whatever way they can.

Universities should stop such secondments and any distance learning is folly to educate your enemy

At 6/03/2006 2:33 PM, Blogger skye said...

Penn State University


University of Pennsylvania

Oh, this bodes well for the state nicknamed the 'Birthplace of the Nation'.

At 6/03/2006 3:54 PM, Blogger OSONSFORLIBERTY said...


At 6/03/2006 7:06 PM, Blogger Truth-Pain said...

very interesting article... i may link to this in a future related posting of my own. Kudos!

At 6/03/2006 7:52 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

As Spok would say with his eyebrow arched: Fascinating...

At 6/03/2006 7:53 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Spock. Sorry; I'm typing while holding a bottle & baby.

At 6/04/2006 12:38 AM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

Are we still making that same mistake — training the enemy in strategies to use against us?..No Doubt AOW!

At 6/04/2006 10:56 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

The recent arrests in Toronto put a new spin on this story I saved from early May. And it also seems that those fellows in Toronto might have a connection with a few arrested in Georgia. You know about that, right? The Georgia Tech jihad which the media have done their best to ignore. And what about that fellow in Oklahoma at the university stadium?

Time to read Paul Sperry's Infiltration again, though that book deals primarily with the Washington, D.C. area.

At 6/04/2006 10:59 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Excerpt fromAlleged Canadian terror plot has worldwide links:

Published: Sunday, June 04, 2006
TORONTO - A Canadian counter-terrorism investigation that led to the arrests of 17 people accused of plotting bombings in Ontario is linked to probes in a half-dozen countries, the National Post has learned.

Well before police tactical teams began their sweeps around Toronto on Friday, at least 18 related arrests had already taken place in Canada, the United States, Britain, Bosnia, Denmark, Sweden, and Bangladesh.

The six-month RCMP investigation, called Project OSage, is one of several overlapping probes that include an FBI case called Operation Northern Exposure and a British probe known as Operation Mazhar....

The FBI confirmed Saturday the arrests were related to the recent indictments in the U.S. of Ehsanul Sadequee and Syed Ahmed, who are accused of meeting with extremists in Toronto last March to discuss terrorist training and plots.

“There is preliminary indication that some of the Canadian subjects may have had limited contact with the two people recently arrested from Georgia,” Special Agent Richard Kolko, the FBI spokesman, said in an e-mail to the National Post.

The intricate web of connections between Toronto, London, Atlanta, Sarajevo, Dhaka, and elsewhere illustrates the challenge confronting counter-terrorism investigators almost five years after 9/11.

Linking the international probes are online communications, phone calls and in particular videotapes that authorities allege show some of the targets the young extremists considered blowing up.

At 6/04/2006 11:04 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

From Dr. Walid Phares, a few months ago, from this source:

One more time Al Jazeera pomotes an Usama Bin Laden speech. After airing portions of the Bin Laden audiotape al Jazeera posted large fragments of the “speech” on its web site. This was the longest version possible we were able to have access to. After careful reading, my assessment of the “piece” got reinforced: This is not just another audiotape or videotape of a renegade in some cave. Regardless of who is the speaker and his whereabouts, the 30 minutes long read statement is a declaration, probably as important as the February 1998 declaration of war against America, the Crusaders and their allies.

This is a “state of Jihad address” by a Terror-leader who projects himself as the supreme leader of all Salafi Jihadists in the world. The document provide guidelines and vision to the followers across the continents: A call for mega-terrorism and a fiery delivery of a bloody war in all directions. Not one single civilization and religion got away from Usama’s grapes of wrath: Muslim moderates, Shiites, Christian Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox; Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists as well. Europeans, Chinese, Indians, Semites, Africans and others were all deciphered as Kuffars, infidels....

Throughout the day I analyzed most of these "axis" on MSNBC, but I was able to observe the airing process on al Jazeera as well.

Imagine yourself as an Arab viewer: The speech was repeated endlessly throughout the day. Bin Laden didn't have his 20 minutes of shine, but 24 hours at least. The Bin Laden audiotape wasn't played one or two times but until every word was sinking deep in the minds of the attentive viewers. However the most powerful part of the speech wasn't restricted to its content: Al Jazeera lined up the best of its "experts on Islamist groups" to react instantly to the audiotape and throughout the day, and add "more details and substance."

More at the above link.

At 6/04/2006 1:18 PM, Blogger Mike's America said...

Don't know if you have been following the Canadian terror arrests this weekend.

But the usual suspects on the left are already lining up to cast doubt on the authorities and find some wiggle room for the suspected terrorists:

The attitude expressed in the above piece is the same that says that BUSH is the real terrorist.

Are we supposed to believe those 17 Muslim males were going to start a botanical garden with all that ammonium nitrate?

At 6/04/2006 2:12 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Stop pissing your diaper Mike. The good news here is that those guys clearly were not the "A" team. They didn't know how to go about acquiring the materials. Clearly they tried to grab too much nitrate.

Low level thugs and good policing will deal with that whether it's muslims or some thumper from South Carolina who wants to come up north and blow up an abortion clinic on Brookline Ave.

Now you should be concerned about the higher level operatives. As the London authorities learned, they had early leads on the bombers but wasted to much time on trivial data. That's in the London bombing report.

However, I am sure you will be more than happy to have our services combing through a list of every phone call made in America to get some dirt on Chucklenuts's political enemies.

At 6/04/2006 2:39 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I have followed the story just a bit, but not as much as usual. Personal life has intervened--my achin' back and car troubles. I haven't yet read today's newspaper. ARRRGGHH!

I'll check the links you left. I hadn't heard about that slant.

I know that you like to insult and provoke Mike. But could you be just a bit more civil about it? In no way is my request an invitation not to disagree.

At 6/04/2006 3:39 PM, Blogger Muslim Unity said...

Has anybody here heard of things like Sawab? Islam is much more than what most people think it is. I urge you to join a mosque and learn the turth about it.

At 6/04/2006 4:28 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Muslim Unity,
I went to an open-house at a local mosque a few years ago. Those sitting at the panel-discussion table got into a fight as to the meaning of "jihad." And one of the ranters in now in the penitentiary for money-laundering to terrorist groups.

And there is this little matter as well--the matter of divergent information at the mosques.

You're free to practice your personal faith as I am free to practice mine. But I don't know how you get around some of those infidel-hating verses in the Koran. Furthermore, the 1400-year history of Islam is one of warfare by the sword so that all the world might become Dar al-Islam.

I saw this at your site: All religons should be respected and loved as they are holy and sacred.

I don't believe that all religions are true. And as a Christian, I don't believe that deeds (sawab or otherwise) can earn a place in heaven.

But, hey, that's what I believe as based on my interpretation of the Bible. And if you're serious about trying to persuade by words others to follow Islam, such is your right. However, I've seen some of your condemning-us-to-hell comments at other sites, so I'm skeptical.

At 6/04/2006 5:33 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I'm not so much concerned about infiltrators or every other Muslim-American dentist running a bioweapons lab in his garage as much as I'm concerned with the one active threat to American freedom that has been destroying the foundations of our society since its inception. I'm talking about the Democratic Party. You want real life police state crackdowns in America? Put the jackasses in charge.

At 6/04/2006 5:39 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

However, I am sure you will be more than happy to have our services combing through a list of every phone call made in America to get some dirt on Chucklenuts's political enemies

Ducky, do you know something about Al Qaeda's ties to people recieving phone calls in America that you're not sharing with us?

At 6/04/2006 6:59 PM, Blogger Truth-Pain said...

oh jeez...i have to hang out here more often, this discourse is WAY to much fun.......... :)

At 6/04/2006 10:41 PM, Blogger F.B. Jones said...

Beamish is right. 911 was nothing compared to what will happen to this country if the enemies we have within our borders get what they want. They have already achieved a great deal of power by using government education to dumb up the masses. The average American cannot name two members of the senate that represent them.
How will they know what is being taken away from them if they don't know what the have? What's the name of the Cinderella song from the 80's.

At 6/04/2006 11:29 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...


Mark my words when the autopsy for our formerly great nation is read the cause of death will be Ducky's minnions. There is something wrong when apologists for a genociadal way of life can set up virtual gulags in Universities and get a free pass in the media.

If we as Americans do not take the fight to the enemy we are doomed.

Rules to remember

1 Calling a Communist like Ducky a communist is factual.
2 Remind Communists we know their history of subversion, genocide and failure.
3 Communists have zero grip on history because they are constantly inventing new excuses for genocide and failure.

At 6/04/2006 11:58 PM, Blogger Mike's America said...

AOW: I saw Ducky Donkey up there and just ignored the twit. Obviously he's a legend in his own mind and a waste of space in everyone elses.

I see Muslim Unity dropped by too.

No offer to help you convert "before it's too late" as he warned Razor Sharp Claws?

At 6/05/2006 7:08 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mr. Beamish, F.B. Jones, & Beak,
Before 9/11, I paid little attention to politics; one reason is probably that my mother was much interested in politics, so I left the "watching" up to her. After she died in 1987, I had my hands full, as an only child caregiving my father until 1998.

Here we are and approaching the fifth anniversary of 9/11, and I'm still catching up on lost years when I didn't know much of anything about current events.

The love affair between the left and the Islamists never ceases to amaze me. And the education system today reflects the left's constant advocacy of revisionist history; therein--revisionism--is another common bond which furthers the love affair between the two utopian and totalitarian ideologies.

F.B. Jones said, The average American cannot name two members of the senate that represent them.

I was never that ignorant because I took my responsibilities as a voter very seriously.

At 6/05/2006 7:16 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Sometimes the interchange here becomes quite interesting. I predict some interesting interchanges when I post Beamish's type-sketch "The Leftist."

You seem to have a handle as to how to react to insulting comments. Beak once said that I'm the "polite type," and I guess that's true--most of the time. I have no problem with cogent disagreement as long as ad hominem attacks are kept to a minimum.

Yes, Muslim Unity is making rounds. Ah well, it's a public forum. Maybe the invitation to visit a mosque was a call to convert (Muslims call it "revert," which has other connotations).

At 6/05/2006 7:38 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Americans think, "We can convince those sworn to our destruction as to how wonderful Western freedoms are if only these enemies live amongst us and see 'the good life.'" But it hasn't worked out that way for at least some we've tried to convince.

What I cannot abide is that the media revel in "our crimes," but give a pass to others.

At 6/05/2006 7:51 AM, Blogger Storm said...

Mike not to worry

What folks like Ducky can not possibly admit is that thanks to the midset started by the Bush administration another terrorist plot was stopped.

At the end of the day the scorecard is clear we were routinely attacked while Clinton fiddled but since Bush started working the problem--None.

At 6/05/2006 9:33 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Actually storm you are incorrect. The RCMP were interviewed on PBS this morning and stated what is obvious to sentient beings.

They received tips from muslims. Their relationship with muslims in Canada is solid and they don't go stomping on people's rights.

So first you have to get some help or hope that your dealing with some inexperienced clowns. Both were true in the Canadian matter. Then you can get a warrant and requisition phone records.

Or you can do it the Beamish way and just pore over billions of calls hoping to get lucky because you like to talk tough and cut your profitable communication with muslims.

Choice is yours but you should be able to see why hate sessions like the littel fest in Northern Virginia are extremely counterproductive.

At 6/05/2006 10:36 AM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

btw, Duck, if you wanted to know how to cause the most impact with a specific weapon (say chemical or bilogical) in a urban center... what better knowledge than civil enginieering to help you figure out the best way to employ your limited resource?

I reall think you just try to find some way to argue, and dont think what you're saying through very well.

At 6/05/2006 10:47 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

No g, completely wrong. Let's try real slow. The Canadian Mounted Police are on record saying that assistance from muslims in Canada was critical in spotting these. guys.

In other words, they have a good relationship with local muslims. We are in a position to gain tha kind of relationship through university students or we may gain excellent intelligence or counter-intelligence.

Otherwise we just let them get their education somewhere else and lose either opportunity.

The hard nose method is a complete failure.

Is that old general store (I forget the name) still open in downtown Huntsville. That was always a nifty place.

At 6/05/2006 1:57 PM, Blogger kev said...

"In other words, they have a good relationship with local muslims."
Not necessarily true, oh feathered one, and I'll try to go real slow for YOU. Even though you like so much to do so, you cannot invent your own interpretations into everything. More than likely, the RCMP have a system of "snitches" within their muslim community, and this is where the information began. If you don't know, snitches do what they do for a variety of reasons, including money and consideration of criminal charges. Perhaps the RCMP used their own undercover operative, an officer of arab descent. Or, here's a thought, they picked up this information from a wiretap and this is their way of protecting this very important tool. Sorry to rain on your misinformation parade, but I'm willing to bet, if the truth ever comes out, this is how it happened.

At 6/05/2006 1:57 PM, Blogger kev said...

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At 6/05/2006 2:14 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

I actually live out in Madison, so not really downtown Huntsville, but you'd have to name the place. I think you'd be amazed at how much this place has grown... it's a budding metropolis now.

And as for the hard nosed approach not working??? well the last 15 years we tried giving them free education, and that just got us attacked... so what plan C?

At 6/05/2006 5:45 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I certainly hope that Muslims are "snitching" on the terrorist element in their midst. But if so, the terrorist element will find a way around that safety valve. It takes only a few terrorists to control a much larger group.

I suspect that the RCMP will not reveal all their modes of obtaining intelligence.

At 6/05/2006 9:23 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Or you can do it the Beamish way and just pore over billions of calls hoping to get lucky because you like to talk tough and cut your profitable communication with muslims.

There you go again, Ducky. You just can't help leaving a room without assuring everyone you're a moron, can you?

I realize that the preposterous idea that a government agency like the NSA listens in on every single one of the billions of phone calls placed to and from phones within the United States presents an irresistible opportunity for a leftist such as yourself to provide undiable proof of your own stupidity, but come on, be serious.

You don't really believe that crap, do you?

At 6/05/2006 9:24 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

"undeniable" proof... damn typos

At 6/05/2006 10:46 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

Are we still making that same mistake — training the enemy in strategies to use against us?..Hamassssssssssss was and will always be our Mortal Enemy!..great post!

At 6/06/2006 11:49 AM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

There goes Ducky again. With another unjustified insinuation. This time he points out how wonderful Canada treats its Muslims and the US could learn from them, as if we were stomping on American-Muslims and feeding their flesh to lions.

How come there are no Muslim riots in the US? The Detriot area has a large enough concentration of Muslims to host such a spectacle.

Yet France and several other European countries have been rocked by riots by Muslims due to their mistreatment at the hands of their quasi-Socialist countries.

When America arrests Islamic terrorists it is viewed as the oppression of our Muslim minority, but when Canada arrests Islamic terrorists it is good police work. That is what is known as a double standard.

My landlord is a Muslim and I would describe him as a patriotic American who supports the US effort in Iraq. He comes from a country (Iran) where there is real oppression and he knows what it looks like.

At 6/06/2006 3:50 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Freedomnow, settle down .... the thesis is obvious. In nations were there has been social integration there is less of an internal threat.

Germany would be an example. The muslim population isn't constantly on edge.

I notice you have to bring "quasi-socialist" into it as if the experience of Algerians in France is symptomatic of all Europe.

"France and several other European contries"? No, it's been pretty much concentrated in france and it isn't any coincidence that the French have done the least to establish a decent relationship with the muslim population.

So let's recap...good police work keeps you safe. In this case that means good relations with muslim communities.Now, dumb crap like invading iraq, torture and incaceration without habeus corpus dose not promote good relationships and yields no security benefits.

Good police work ====> safety
Torture and other shenanigans by the Our Gang Administration ====> Danger

At 6/06/2006 6:28 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Germany would be an example. The muslim population isn't constantly on edge.

You haven't read about some of the incidents in some of the schools? There's been some pretty significant trouble in Berlin.

At 6/07/2006 12:17 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Wherever the stink of Islam, sharia behavior lurks close behind.

At 6/07/2006 2:16 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...


A leftist screaming for cops.


At 6/07/2006 7:51 AM, Blogger kev said...

My God, daffy, is there no end to your idiocy? The muslims will be nice as long as they're getting what they want. And to say good police work keeps you safe is, as usual, oversimplification on your part. Because (as you claim)I'm largely anecdotal, I'll give you an example. The wall that existed between CIA, FBI, state and local law enforcement. Much depends on who's running the country, and what their intent is.

At 6/09/2006 9:52 AM, Blogger K T Cat said...

I think there is a danger of grouping Moslems as if they're a monolithic entity. When you try to evangelize them through interaction and education, you're going to have to accept that you'll win some and lose some.

I did a much longer post linking to this on my blog.


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