Tuesday, November 08, 2005

About Those Riots In France

Over at this site, an author in the United Kingdom today posted the following article (All emphases in this color are mine):
Napoleon died long ago!

Clearly, France is sliding into civil war. Last night saw mayhem all across France in the twelfth night of extreme violence. The best the French cabinet can come up with is the approval of the introduction of curfews, if the local authorities deem curfews necessary. The local authority can now declare a state of emergency, too. Can mark you! Wow! How Draconian these measures are! Further, Dominic de Villepin even went so far as to say that the government would take the necessary measures to re-establish order very quickly throughout France! Monsieur, you'll have to come up with a hell of lot more than this if you want La Belle France to survive!

A state of emergency should be declared across the whole of France - now, since the riots now stretch from North to South and from East to West. The country is in the grip of a civil war. Things are spiralling out of control. Where is the heavy hand of strong government? Where has that Napoleonic spirit disappeared to? Where is that French pride and determination to save the nation? Where is all that intellectuality - you know, what the French have always prided themselves on - to be able to think this thing through?

That this is an extremely grave situation is obvious to all. Now, there have been copycat outbreaks of violence in Belgium (5 cars have been set alight around the Gare du Midi, where Eurostar terminates) and Germany (5 cars have been destroyed in Berlin; six, in Bremen). Recent tensions in the Netherlands, after the murder of Theo van Gogh, will not help to make that country immune from the ire of the Muslim community, either. All this, and not a strong leader in sight!

Here in the United Kingdom we have a lame duck Prime Minister. Chirac in France is no better, especially since the vote on the European constitution, the USA has a President who has yet to convince me that he knows what Islam is all about and who is showing himself to be more of a little pussy at heart rather than that strong, assertive leader he seems to so wish to be!

I wouldn't give you a dime for the damn lot of them! They all want the power, the money and the glory that goes with high office, but none - I repeat, none - has the stomach to take the necessary measures to deal with the Islamization of the West. Islam is growing apace, growing in the West like a cancer in the stage of metastasis: it is metastasizing here and metastasizing there. And the West is in a feeble state, in a state of cachexia, with not a good surgeon for thousands of miles around!

The editor of The Telegraph this morning states that it would be tempting to draw historical comparisons with the events in France in May 1968 and with the revolutions of 1848, but adds that the events are distinguished more by their differences than their similarities. The reason, he states thus:The rioting in France this autumn has no clear political aim beyond an expression of disgust with the government and, in particular, the interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy. Really! He needs to think again! These riots are indeed politically motivated - motivated by the politics of Islam!

It beggars belief that educated men in the know have yet to get a grip on the reality of what is happening in Europe today. These riots are but the first salvo shot across the bow of Europe! There is evidence aplenty of the intentions of the Islamic communities to turn Europe into Eurabia.

Three books come to mind as I write this: Eurabia, by Bat Ye'or, who describes extremely well, and in erudite fashion, what is going on here; The Rage and the Pride by Oriana Fallaci - another excellent book, and pertinent, because we see the rage of the Muslim communities of France, and the pride they have in feeling superior to the indigenous, infidel population; and, if I might suggest my own book, The Dawning of a New Dark Age [by Mark Alexander] which is exactly what will come about if the force of darkness that is Islam overcomes the force of the enlightenment of the West. [This last book is available here]

We need to ensure that our powder kegs are dry for the long and arduous battles ahead. This conflagration has all the makings of dragging the world into war. This is why it is so necessary to take tough measures to stop the rot NOW! This is no time for mealy-mouthedness, no time for political correctness, no time for the multiculturalists, and certainly no time to be thinking of bringing Turkey into the heart of Europe!

We need to roll back the frontiers. We need to drop the iron veil, the veil of which I wrote in my book. We need to stem the flow of immigrants into Europe, that means we must put an end to the crescades,waves of Muslim immigrants which have been allowed to enter Europe over the past decades without even a serious attempt to stem the flow.

This is a battle for the soul of Europe. A battle which must be won if we are to secure our civilization. Make no mistake about it: What is going on in France right now will impact on us all: the UK, the US, all of Europe, and even Australia and beyond. This is the clash of civilizations of which Samuel P Huntington wrote, and it will be the re-making of the world order if we fail to act decisively. There is no time to waste. Our task is clear: We need to re-assert our authority in our own lands, and win back control. For now, France needs its Napoleon. Stand up! Your country needs YOU!

©Mark Alexander
Some friends of mine just a few days ago returned from their tour of Italy. On their way back to the United States, their airplane touched down for a brief layover at De Gaulle International Airport. According to my friends, the sight of smoke billowing over Paris brought back memories on 9/11.

Are we--Mark Alexander, my friends who just returned from Europe, and I--worrying about nothing? Or is something more insidious afoot, with France as the newest flashpoint? Has Eurabia arrived, in flames and violence? Have the Islamic chickens come home to roost?

Note: Readers are also advised to have a look at many of the articles posted about the riots in France at this web site, where Gindy has been keeping a running account. See Gindy's right sidebar to pull up several pieces to consider. Gindy is one of several doing an excellent job of keeping the account and of analizying the deeper meaning. Also see this site, this site, and this site, to name three more.


At 11/08/2005 9:42 AM, Blogger Mark said...

Are we--Mark Alexander, my friends who just returned from Europe, and I--worrying about nothing? Or is something more insidious afoot, with France as the newest flashpoint? Has Eurabia arrived, in flames and violence?

I certainly do not think that you and your friends are worrying about nothing. This is an extremely serious situation. Grave, in fact. Alas, our leaders do not seem to realize it, which makes things even more serious, even graver! They fail to understand the nature of Islam; and this failure will be our downfall! But, as they say: There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see!

At 11/08/2005 9:45 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

A little early to get your knickers in aknot, AOW. Whether France can proceed from here to deal with issues of an underclass that isn't well integrated remains to be seen. As we saw in New Orleans, the U.S. can offer little in the way of ideas or solutions.

I think that French law enforcement may have taken the best strategy. Make arrests, don't start killing people and let it wind down when people in the poor neighborhoods getting trashed gain control of the teenagers.

Wsn't nothing like Watts or Detroit though, was it.

At 11/08/2005 10:08 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

knickers in a knot? Such a quaint expression! Brought a smile to my day.

let it wind down That's what I thought would happen after just a few days, but on goes the violence. I tell you, I'd be mighty angry if my Mustang convertible got torched--it's the closest thing to a new car I've ever bought (I bought it slightly used). And I did once have a car a six-year-old VW Bug) stolen and burned, three days after the engine-rebuild. The thieves were members of a car-theft ring, not some bunch of anarchists or Islamists on the loose. Oops! I forgot that you see the violence in Europe as not something perpetrated by Islamists. Just some disenchanted second- and third-generation, oppressed immigrants, right? And never mind that many Muslims choose not to assimilate into the society to which they've immigrated.

What about the spread to other countries in Europe?

Will the tourist industry crash in Europe?

Refresh my memory as to how long the troubles lasted in Watts and in Detroit. In D.C., I don't recall 12 days.

You once asked me if I ever read anything not "predigested"? Have you read Bat Ye'or and Fallaci? Any of the many online articles as to the root cause of these riots? I'm not being sarcastic in this paragraph--just asking.

At 11/08/2005 10:26 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Have I read Bat Ye'or. A little.

Have you read Frantz Fanon? The wretched of the earth aren't going to be shut out forever.

Now the "wretched" - to paraphrase Franz Fanon's classic Algerian war of independence study, The Wretched of the Earth - of contemporary France have turned to violence in order to claim what should be theirs to begin with, a dignified existence in their homeland.

But they are not treated as if they are in the country of their birth. The French police are behaving like American cops before we gave those thugs an education and taught them to show a modicum of respect.

The youngsters of North African origin are referred to by French police as "bougnoules", which is a verbal equivalent of the American racist slur for Arabs, "rag heads".

As one report states, they (the youngsters of North African origin) are told to "Lower your eyes! Lower your eyes! - as if they had no right to look a police officer in the face.

It's utterly dehumanizing. No wonder these kids feel so divorced from authority."

Comes a time when there is just some shit a person will not eat.

I think it's foolish to look at this a religious matter. These kids are secular...they just want to go to the mall and get laid like any contemporary teenager in this sick western culture. This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the remnants of the Algerian war. Rent a copy of the Battle of Algiers.

At 11/08/2005 10:53 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I'm not convinced that what's happening has nothing to do with religion. I'm sure you already knew that.

I'm concerned that other countries are now seeing a bit of the same violence. North Africans, most of whom happen to be Muslim, are all over Europe now--Germnany, Italy, England. And I recently read something about a fire bomb factory in Paris. Furthermore, Islam Online has published what amounts to a disclaimer that Muslims could be doing the violence and claimed "Jewish plot," which is ludicrous. I believe that Islam Online was one of those sites which denied the authorship of 9/11, BTW; and those denials greatly reduce any site's credibility, at least for me.

The youngsters of North African origin are referred to by French police as "bougnoules", which is a verbal equivalent of the American racist slur for Arabs, "rag heads".

As one report states, they (the youngsters of North African origin) are told to "Lower your eyes! Lower your eyes! - as if they had no right to look a police officer in the face...."
Duck, you know me well enough to recognize that I do not condone such oppression. But neither do I condone the self-destruction which these riots are producing. Notwithstanding racism on the part of the French police, Muslims often voluntarily sequester themselves inside their own communities, on the grounds of avoiding "Westoxification." I've noticed the same here in the United States, but not to the same extent, particularly with regard to the real-estate business.

How many immigrants can a nation absorb and still maintain the nation's culture? Many immigrants today simply will not assimilate, and if they are immigrants of shari'a law persuasion, there will be hell to pay when the percentage reaches a certain proportion of the population. I don't believe that other, previous waves of immigrants had the same problem--or at least not to the same degree. Multiculturalism will result in the loss of a nation's core culture, IMO.

You've read Bat Ye'or a little. Might now be the time to read some more? Do you completely discount Oriana Fallaci? What about The Clash of Civilizations? I found that book, published a few years ago, quite insightful. IMO, it never hurts to get divergent points of view, then draw one's own conclusions.

Wish I had more time to post a longer comment. Time to get ready to go to work!

At 11/08/2005 12:12 PM, Blogger A Christian Prophet said...

Surely religious underpinnings are a factor. But what if the French government got out of the way of business types who with new liberty would create millions of jobs and opportunities?

At 11/08/2005 1:30 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

AOW, I put up another post about this today. First and foremost in my mind:

1. The violence is escalating and getting more orginized. Riots tend to degrade into complete anarchy and chaos.

2. The rioters are calling this a war, but the French authorities are still insisting it is a civil disturbance.

3. France is a Socialist Utopia? How is anyone economically oppressed or disenfranchised?

4. It is spreading to Germany. Is the UK next?

5. If religion has nothing to do with it, why are 99% of the rabble Arabic and North African. Are the poor and oppressed people in France all Muslim?

I will remain on my hill. This wont burn out. Either the situation will consume more (spread further), or it will explode (drastic action by French authorities). But I think we are witnessing a new intifada.

When it is over, look to the Islamist websites for news about the "martyrs" of the French uprising. That is when you will see what I am talking about.

At 11/08/2005 1:31 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

And Duck. Go to my site, and read the post I did about it. It has several refere articles for the "fact" check you may want to do.

At 11/08/2005 1:43 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

G, what is the name of your site? You have the facts?

A situation as complicated as this and you have all the facts. Yeah, right....but what's the link anyway.

"Marryrs"? Only one death. I'd say this is pretty well contained.

At 11/08/2005 1:56 PM, Blogger Bassizzzt said...


Your blog nicely complements mine, and hopefully mine compliments yours.

It's high time that everyone comes to know the real enemy and thanks to bloggers like you for helping to show them the way.

My daughter lives in Belgium and now reports to me that a car was set on fire by Moroccan Muslims.

Not good at all. Muslim extremists murdered 8 of my former co-workers and friends at the Pentagon. If they harm my daughter I will personally fly to Belgium and will declare open season on any Muslim that crosses paths with me.

Angry? You better believe it I am.

At 11/08/2005 2:10 PM, Blogger gandalf said...

Looking at the situation in Europe especially in France, I feel that this part of the great mans speech entitled "Be Ye Men of Valour" is highly appropriate


Winston Churchill May 1940

Our task is not only to win the battle - but to win the war. After this battle in France abates its force, there will come the battle for our Island -- for all that Britain is, and all the Britain means. That will be the struggle. In that supreme emergency we shall not hesitate to take every step, even the most drastic, to call forth from our people the last ounce and the last inch of effort of which they are capable. The interests of property, the hours of labor, are nothing compared with the struggle of life and honor, for right and freedom, to which we have vowed ourselves.

At 11/08/2005 4:34 PM, Anonymous Felis said...

The Western radical left loves the French riots.
This is something they would like to do themselves but simply do not have the guts.
They (Western Marxists) have this delusion - they will control Islam after the Muslims bring "the establishment" to its knees. (Please read this criminal moron’s words of wisdom http://rwor.org/a/v19/910-19/916/barel3.htm)
This is normal and fortunate as there are thousands of Chomskys and Ramsey Clarks but only a few Stalins and Hitlers born every hour.

French government is already waving the usual white flag offering more money to the "disadvantaged" and the French socialists scream about "social justice".
Bad news I am afraid.
Check out this blog: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/

At 11/08/2005 4:45 PM, Blogger Pastorius said...

This may very well burn out AOW. My opinion is these riots were started by Jihadi agitators trained by Al Qaeda or Iran to instigating riots. There is a technique to starting riots. So, why wouldn't Al Qaeda or the like make such a technique part of their arsenal.

But, the thing is, just because they can instigate a riot, and even organize it's forces to some degree, and even teach kids to organize themselves, by encouraging them to use the internet, they can not indefinately sustain a riot without the will of the people who do the rioting. I don't agree with Ducky on much, but I do agree with his that these kids are not hardcore Jihadis. However, they are Muslims, and they do hate the infidel. But, they also like to party and get layed. Even rioting can get old.

Everyone ought to note that when Fatwa's are issued they usually mean almost the opposite of what they seem to mean. When they say, for instance, do not kill "innocents", they mean kill anyone who is not innocent.

Yesterdays Fatwa stated do not "blindly strike" public or private property, or hurt others. In other words, the kids ought to carefully decide what to attack, but don't hurt anyone. So, they are under orders not to attack people, but to attack churches, synagogues, or automobiles belonging to the infidel is ok.

Lo and behold, that is exactly what they are doing.

I believe the organizers of these riots are trying to cause the police to kill some of the rioters. At that point, the rioters will be unleashed with another Fatwa declaring, "Don't kill innocents" which will mean, kill the infidel wherever you find him."

Will they be successful in instigating such a situation? I don't know.

I hope not.

At 11/08/2005 5:30 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

Click my name to go to my site Duck.

I use widely reported news articles, usually double checked (hard to do since so many of them copy eachother), and try to get 2-3 different views on each post I do.

and there are no martyrs yet... but there will be when the French have to kill some folks to calm this down.

At 11/08/2005 5:38 PM, Blogger David Schantz said...

I was listening to the end of Jerry Hughes program at http://www.accentradionetwork.com/while your site was coming up.He said that someone (I wouldn't try to spell the name)had said that we might have riots in the United States soon. He said Los Angles, California would be the starting place. Lets hope it doesn't come to that. If it does the rioters might find out that there are some people in the United States that don't dial 911 and wait for the police to arrive if you go through their neighborhood burning cars.

God Bless America, God Save The Republic

At 11/08/2005 6:15 PM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

Great post AOW and Mark. I only had time to write a quickie this morning - thanks for linking to it.

Of course the Islamic violence is not spontaneous; it is driven by ideology. Let’s see now, Ducky. Muslims riot in France, Belgium, and Germany. Last week they bombed shoppers in markets in New Delhi. They’ve been killing Buddhists in Thailand and Christians in the Philippines and Nigeria. Are these spontaneous uprisings by poor picked-upon Muslims, Ducky?

At 11/08/2005 7:59 PM, Anonymous Felis said...

About fatwas - you're 100% right.

do not kill "innocents"

Infidels are NOT innocent by definition - regardless of what they did or didn't do.

"blindly strike"
Yes, it's true, there were a few cars burnt which were owned by the local Muslims.
Now, that's bad.

At 11/08/2005 8:06 PM, Blogger LASunsett said...

AOW, another great post. Thanks for the links.


Didn't Denmark have a scuffle or two, right after this broke out?

At 11/08/2005 8:24 PM, Blogger The Exile said...

Monsieur, you'll have to come up with a hell of lot more than this if you want La Belle France to survive!

With all due respect to Mr. Alexander, France will survive, if only because, when it gets too bad over there, we here in America will have to go over there and bail them out again.

Like all Lefties, they never learn from history or their own mistakes. Appeasing fascist ideologies got Europe swamped in two world wars in the last century. Now they are doing the same thing and the results will be the same.

These may be disgruntled Muslim youths, but there has been a concerted effort to inculcate them with a sense of "superiority" over the "infidels". They have been told that it's their destiny to restore the Caliphate and rule the world.

Until we tell the Leftist appeasers to sit down and shut up, just as we did during WWII, there will be endless chaos worldwide.

At 11/08/2005 8:58 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

From this source:
Phares on France's intifada: "The Jihadists, who are in control and command of the spreading insurgency wants to test the resistance of France's national security to the rise of the enclaves. The war preparations are old, Paris mistakes were tremendous and the conflict is now open."

Learn more about Dr. Phares from his web site; see the link earlier in this comment. Dr. Phares is fluent in Arabic and monitors various Arabic-speaking web sites.

At 11/08/2005 9:03 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Erratum! The link for my previous comment is this.

At 11/08/2005 9:18 PM, Blogger Gindy said...

"A state of emergency should be declared across the whole of France - now, "

Can you beleive they waited as long as they did? I just commented on another site that the French left is complaining to Chirac for imposing a curfew.

"For now, France needs its Napoleon. Stand up! Your country needs YOU!"

Good luck.

At 11/08/2005 9:59 PM, Blogger The Exile said...

This is much more than a bunch of kids rioting.

Check out my last post if you're interested, C.

At 11/08/2005 10:28 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

France will not survive. They will Islamify.

Understand that Chirac did exactly what I thought he would do. He is trying to bribe the muslims into peace. Typical socialist tactic, and it's the only one they know.

Further monetary offerings will be made.

For France to break out the troops, they would have to pull a total reversal of political ideaology. Socialism tells them that the rioters are actually innocent and that the guilty are the victims of the rioters. Or Bush, if they want to indulge their liberal fantasies.

Sending in the troops would be making victims of innocent rioters. Further, the rioters cannot be classified by religion, because that would be politically incorrect. The socialist just cannot admit religion plays an issue without totally abandoning everything he believes.

France will Islamify, and the US will not bail them out. Their internal problems are exactly that. The best we would do is send humanitarian aid. Besides, if we saved them, France would blame us for making victims of muslims.

France is gone. The rioting will continue (they're still going on, aren't they - even though money has been promised) and more oney will be promised.

This paying of the "jizya" does nothing but feed the Islamic fantasies straight out of the Qur'an.

At 11/08/2005 10:34 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I have something from Bassizzzt for you. Contact me via email.

At 11/09/2005 8:02 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

From an AP report quoted in the November 9 Washington Times:

France declared a state of emergency yesterday in a bid to quell the country's worst unrest since the student uprisings of 1968 that toppled a government,.

Despite his conciliatory tone, Mr. de Villepin said riot police faced "determined individuals, structured gangs, organized criminality," and that restoring order "will take time."

Rioters have been using mobile phone text messages and the Internet to organize arson attacks, said police, who arrested two teenage bloggers accused of inciting other youths to riot....

Mr. de Villepin said France must make a priority of working against the discrimination that feeds the frustration of youths made to feel that they do not belong in France....

The state-of-emergency law that President Jacques Chirac invoked was drawn up 50 years ago to quell unrest in Algeria during its war of independence from France and was last used in December 1984 by the socialist government of President Francois Mitterrand against rioting in the French Pacific Ocean territory of New Caledonia....

The main opposition Socialists, through their parliamentary leader Jean-Marc Ayrault, said they did not oppose the use of curfews, but also warned that they should not be used to hide suburban "misery" or become "a new mark of segregation."

Communist Party leader Marie-George Buffet warned that the decree could enflame rioters. "It could be taken anew as a sort of challenge to carry out more violence," she said.

French historians say the rioting is more widespread and destructive in material terms than the riots of 1968, when university students erected barricades in Paris' Latin Quarter and across France. That unrest led to a general strike by 10 million workers and forced then-President Charles De Gaulle to dissolve parliament and fire Premier Georges Pompidou

The socialist approach has different faces. No utopia, huh?

At 11/09/2005 8:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 11/09/2005 1:15 PM, Blogger jakejacobsen said...

Excellent article AOW, I have something similar up and I couldn't agree with you more.

What really scares me is the willful blindness that seems to strike every responsible person regarding Islam (ROP).

What will it take to see the enemy in our midst? I don't know and that scares me too.

Thanks again,

At 11/09/2005 1:18 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

sent you the email AOW, let me know.

Btw, now that france has suspended some "liberties", the riots seem to be less furiocious (spelling?)

Maybe there is something to that whole "sacrafice some liberties so that you may protect the rest" thing after all?

Wish someone would tell the ACLU

At 11/09/2005 4:23 PM, Blogger Esther said...

GREAT job, AOW! This is frightening and if we think it can't happen here, then we're blind and in denial.

At 11/10/2005 1:33 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Napoleon was a Corsican but lets leave that aside. France is finnished today or tommorow once police have allowed no go zones it is over.

Socialism is paternalism and directly to blame for this fiasco.

At 11/10/2005 2:01 AM, Blogger samwich said...

Hi AOW when gold breaks above $469 look for it to head to $482-$491.
This recent decline was a corrective selloff.


At 11/10/2005 10:10 AM, Blogger Cubed © said...

I have to disagree that France needs its Napolean; Napolean became such an admirer and practitioner of totalitarian thought that Beethoven, who originally wrote his famous "V for Victory" fifth symphony in honor of Napolean, later changed his mind about that dedication, having recognized that Napolean was undeserving.

It was later used by the Brits during WWII as a bit of a theme for the war effort.

At 11/10/2005 10:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Plato, "Republic"

And democracy has her own good, of which the insatiable desire brings her to dissolution?

What good?

Freedom, I replied; which, as they tell you in a democracy, is the glory of the State--and that therefore in a democracy alone will the freeman of nature deign to dwell.

Yes; the saying is in every body's mouth.

I was going to observe, that the insatiable desire of this and the neglect of other things introduces the change in democracy, which occasions a demand for tyranny.

How so?

When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil cup-bearers presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are cursed oligarchs.

Yes, he replied, a very common occurrence.

Yes, I said; and loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like rulers, and rulers who are like subjects: these are men after her own heart, whom she praises and honours both in private and public. Now, in such a State, can liberty have any limit?

Certainly not.

By degrees the anarchy finds a way into private houses, and ends by getting among the animals and infecting them.

How do you mean?

I mean that the father grows accustomed to descend to the level of his sons and to fear them, and the son is on a level with his father, he having no respect or reverence for either of his parents; and this is his freedom, and the metic is equal with the citizen and the citizen with the metic, and the stranger is quite as good as either.

Yes, he said, that is the way.

And these are not the only evils, I said--there are several lesser ones: In such a state of society the master fears and flatters his scholars, and the scholars despise their masters and tutors; young and old are all alike; and the young man is on a level with the old, and is ready to compete with him in word or deed; and old men condescend to the young and are full of pleasantry and gaiety; they are loth to be thought morose and authoritative, and therefore they adopt the manners of the young.

Quite true, he said.

The last extreme of popular liberty is when the slave bought with money, whether male or female, is just as free as his or her purchaser; nor must I forget to tell of the liberty and equality of the two sexes in relation to each other.

Why not, as Aeschylus says, utter the word which rises to our lips?

That is what I am doing, I replied; and I must add that no one who does not know would believe, how much greater is the liberty which the animals who are under the dominion of man have in a democracy than in any other State: for truly, the she-dogs, as the proverb says, are as good as their she-mistresses, and the horses and asses have a way of marching along with all the rights and dignities of freemen; and they will run at any body who comes in their way if he does not leave the road clear for them: and all things are just ready to burst with liberty.

When I take a country walk, he said, I often experience what you describe. You and I have dreamed the same thing.

And above all, I said, and as the result of all, see how sensitive the citizens become; they chafe impatiently at the least touch of authority, and at length, as you know, they cease to care even for the laws, written or unwritten; they will have no one over them.

Yes, he said, I know it too well.

Such, my friend, I said, is the fair and glorious beginning out of which springs tyranny.

Glorious indeed, he said. But what is the next step?

The ruin of oligarchy is the ruin of democracy; the same disease magnified and intensified by liberty overmasters democracy--the truth being that the excessive increase of anything often causes a reaction in the opposite direction; and this is the case not only in the seasons and in vegetable and animal life, but above all in forms of government.


The excess of liberty, whether in States or individuals, seems only to pass into excess of slavery.

Yes, the natural order.

And so tyranny naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of liberty?

As we might expect.

That, however, was not, as I believe, your question--you rather desired to know what is that disorder which is generated alike in oligarchy and democracy, and is the ruin of both?

Just so, he replied.

Well, I said, I meant to refer to the class of idle spendthrifts, of whom the more courageous are the leaders and the more timid the followers, the same whom we were comparing to drones, some stingless, and others having stings.

A very just comparison.

These two classes are the plagues of every city in which they are generated, being what phlegm and bile are to the body. And the good physician and lawgiver of the State ought, like the wise bee-master, to keep them at a distance and prevent, if possible, their ever coming in; and if they have anyhow found a way in, then he should have them and their cells cut out as speedily as possible.

Yes, by all means, he said.

Then, in order that we may see clearly what we are doing, let us imagine democracy to be divided, as indeed it is, into three classes; for in the first place freedom creates rather more drones in the democratic than there were in the oligarchical State.

That is true.

And in the democracy they are certainly more intensified.

How so?

Because in the oligarchical State they are disqualified and driven from office, and therefore they cannot train or gather strength; whereas in a democracy they are almost the entire ruling power, and while the keener sort speak and act, the rest keep buzzing about the bema and do not suffer a word to be said on the other side; hence in democracies almost everything is managed by the drones.

Very true, he said.


At 11/10/2005 10:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joseph de Maistre is often called the "father of fascism". He was an infamous apologist for Napoleon at court, although he remained loyal to his own soveriegn throughout his career.

A brief bio can be found here:


During his lifetime he made many predictions, some which came true, others which proved false (ie that America would NEVER name her capitol city after George Washington... he WAS right in this sense, they added DC to the name).

The crisis of the West is a crisis of leadership. The drones (worshippers of the weak) are in charge and incapable of suppressing invading forces, and incapable of taking necessary, but "unpopular" action.

Napoleon CRUSHED the French Revolution with his artillery in the streets of Paris. And unfortunately, THAT is what it usually takes to take the "wind" out of the heady sails of the rebellious.

It remains to be seen whether France has the stomach to survive as a free and independent nation, or will continue down the path of civilizational suicide. For only the blond beasts can save them now. And eventually THAT is what it WILL come down to.

At 11/10/2005 10:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our drones began to establish their cells in America in the 60's. They must be "cut-out" if we are to survive as a free and independent nation. Before an American "Chavez" is able to sieze control.

Not all "goods" are compatible.

At 11/10/2005 12:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ooops, the above two comments were both posted by Farmer John.

Islamic traditions have, up until recent times, been largely upheld through the application of Draconian measures. Peoples cultivated in the traditional Islamic environment and under the daily whip of Sharia are having difficulty in accepting the "velvet glove" methods upon which Western Civilization is based. It is time they are shown the steel armor that lies beneath the velvet glove... to the extent it hasn't "rusted away".

Failure to reveal it will likely result in the need to apply even greater and more unjust forces in the future. Perhaps punishment and exile of the innocents, and not merely the malefactors.


At 11/10/2005 12:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If an authoritarian figure can emerge in France (like Petain) and crush the rebellion and expell the bureauocratic drones and replace them with capable and independent realists, unless he is a veritable "Cincinnatus" as Washington was, and can step aside after Romes' days of peril and need for dictatorship are past, he must be assassinated. For he will have drunken too deeply from the fountains of Lycurgian Zeus for France to ever recover her freedom. It remains to be seen, however, whether this Frenchman can be found... for Chirac appears too "weak" to do what is necessary before it escalates completely out of his control.


At 11/10/2005 12:58 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

It is worth pointing out that Marseille is quiet. Huge immigrant population and nothing happening? Why?

It's certainly worth answering before the authoritarians do their bull in a china shop act and make things worth. Now with a little research even the most militant militarists among you can figure this one out.

At least the French were smart and took an arrest and deport strantegy rather than just firing at anything that moves.

It may also be worthwhile to point out that our typical American whitebread isn't a good source for tactical advice. They are grossly uninformed and can't focus on a basic truth. The moderate muslim has shed more blood and lost more in this so called "war" than has American whitebread. The Jordanian bombings are an example. Muslims are primarily the dead but we are so rabid in our hatred that we can't see it.

So now the muslim countries stay in the same bind. Take Morocco. They have been trying to generate more democratic freedoms and making progress. Now the crazy ass fundamentalists and a few nutcakes start agitating and the government is in a bind. How do they supress this without giving up democratic advances? Are we helping? Of course not...we simply lump everything under the "terrorist" label just as some "critical thinkers" will lump all left economics with North Korea.

So what do we have them do? Crack down viciously like Egypt did on the Muslim Brotherhood? Open up and lose many thousands in a civil war like Algeria or keep giving useless bromides that help noone and continue living the ignorant life of American whitebread?

At 11/10/2005 1:35 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

If you feel the need to deport them, are you sure they are rioting becuase of social or economic oppression?

There are poor non-immegrants too.

At 11/10/2005 5:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What you fail to notice in the Jordanian bombing attacks was that ALL the targets were all western hotel chains and the victims deliberately Jordanian so as to drive a wedge between the two civilizations and scare the Jordanians Arabs away. Hence the Islamic authoritarians continue to dominate/ predominate and set the de-liber(free)-ately "slow" pace of the war on terror, for western "resolve" is a weak and womanly thing and so "time" works in their favor. And so democracies must be prepared to meet manly force with titanic counterforce, especially when it rears its' ugly head in the heart of the west (Where of course, the decadence runs deepest and so it is most vulnerable).

At least in the west, if the people focus on living their own lives and NOT trying to control the lives of others (AHEM), their government will eventually leave them alone to pusue their own definitions of happiness. The same is NOT true of Islamic authoritarians. For their urban hoi polloi are too weakly built to take strong measures and fight for their own liberties. They are too used to having others make decisions for them.

But democracies must NOT hestitate to meet strength with superior force. These people rioting in France have NOT become incultured with or assimilated Western values and standards of behavior. In this respect, they must be treated using the cultural standard they are most acquainted with. Brutal and complete repression to "still the will" with Eastern FEAR, and not Western LOVE. For it is only through FEAR than man was ever given a "conscience". (Nietzsche, "Genealogy of Morals") Only once he is given a conscience can LOVE take over. In other words, they need their punishing Daddy right now, and not their loving Mommy. Once the punishment is over, they can run to their Mommies for loving support (but not in Islamic countries). But if you don't let Daddy beat them, they'll keep running back to Momma for more and more loving. Is this ringing any bells?


At 11/10/2005 8:45 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

About that poll you mentioned...I voted immediately after you put up the notice here.

Just now, I checked the results:
65% yes, 35% no to the question "In your opinion, are Western values fundamentally at odds with those of Islam?"

Thanks for posting the link.

At 11/10/2005 8:47 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Thanks for the info about the gold quote. Not a huge jump projected, though?

At 11/10/2005 9:06 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Glad to see your extensive comments above.

By degrees the anarchy finds a way into private houses, and ends by getting among the animals and infecting them.
How do you mean?
I mean that the father grows accustomed to descend to the level of his sons and to fear them, and the son is on a level with his father, he having no respect or reverence for either of his parents...

Are you saying that the rioters have no respect for their roots or for their adopted/naturalized culture?

The excess of liberty, whether in States or individuals, seems only to pass into excess of slavery.
Yes, the natural order.
And so tyranny naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of liberty...

The pendulum swings from one extreme to the other. No winners, IMO.

But democracies must NOT hestitate to meet strength with superior force. These people rioting in France have NOT become incultured with or assimilated Western values and standards of behavior.
It remains to be seen whether France has the stomach to survive as a free and independent nation, or will continue down the path of civilizational suicide.

Some ideologies are so antithetical that compromise which will satisfy each side is impossible. Furthermore, Islamism does not allow for compromise. How long before the West understands that concept? If not in time, "civilizational suicide" will indeed be the result!

At 11/10/2005 9:20 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I've heard that things are starting to quiet down in France. Good! But at what cost? And I don't mean exclusively in a financial sense. A nation cannot buy assimilation if the ideologies are antithetical.

Now the crazy ass fundamentalists and a few nutcakes start agitating and the government is in a bind. How do they supress this without giving up democratic advances?
A vicious circle, there. I see no easy answers.
But if no stand is taken, any advances will be lost because lack of a strong stand is perceived as weakness.
It takes only a few "nutcakes" to control a majority.

The moderate muslim has shed more blood and lost more in this so called "war" than has American whitebread. The Jordanian bombings are an example.
Agreed! But the matter of extremism within any ideology requires that the moderates be willing to face the situation head-on. Any historical reform movement has faced and will always face jeopardy. Jordan's dealings with this atrocity is of the utmost importance, and the Jordanians indeed should not look to a "whitebread" solution because such a solution does not hold the answer to the problems within Islamic culture.

At 11/11/2005 10:41 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Funny, I remember leftists saying Iraq had no ties to Al Qaeda back in 2002, when Saddam was refusing Jordan's requests to arrest and extradite Zarqawi, who was operating an Al Qaeda terrorist cell in Baghda with Saddam's blessing at the time.

Why listen to the Ducky's now, when listening to the Ducky's then only made you stupid?

At 11/11/2005 11:18 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

From the November 11 edition of the Washington Post:

Parents' Tears Calm Youth Rage:
Rampaging Subsides in Paris Suburb Where Riots Began

In the Paris suburbs and across the country, the incendiary rage of gangs of youths appears to be slowly subsiding. Using one barometer, police said 487 cars were set alight Wednesday night, a significant decrease from the 1,408 vehicles burned at the height of the frenzy Sunday night.

Throughout the poor immigrant suburbs of Paris, residents have led efforts to restore calm. In many communities, parents established night patrols on the streets and residents stood guard on doorsteps of housing projects, schools and sports facilities in an effort to dissuade attacks.

Even though the Paris suburbs have quieted significantly, the rampages are continuing in other towns. In France's second-largest city, Lyon, in the southeast, vandals attacked two power stations and caused blackouts Wednesday night, according to police. Schools were set ablaze in several places.

Several cities along the Mediterranean coast imposed curfews for unaccompanied minors under a state-of-emergency law activated for the first time since it was promulgated in 1955 during the Algerian war. Government officials have credited the curfews and police, who made 2,000 arrests, with subduing the rioting that spread to 300 cities and communities....

President Jacques Chirac, who has avoided appearing in public during much of the crisis, made only his second public comments in as many weeks Thursday. The message he offered was more conciliatory than his previous demand for law and order.

"We need to respond strongly and quickly to the undeniable problems which many inhabitants of the deprived neighborhoods surrounding our cities are facing," he told reporters. But Chirac was vague on how the government would respond.

Nadaud, who said he negotiated between town officials and angry gangs, echoed the warning of many residents of Clichy-sous-Bois: "If things do not change, if promises are not kept, violence may start again."

At 11/11/2005 11:23 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I remember leftists saying Iraq had no ties to Al Qaeda back in 2002, when Saddam was refusing Jordan's requests to arrest and extradite Zarqawi...
I seem to recall that, now that you mention it. Thanks for the reminder!

Saddam was a master of deception and pulled out all stops to hold onto his power. I also recall his trotting out the Islamic flag when the mood suited him.

At 11/11/2005 4:58 PM, Blogger Mark said...

Cubed, I think that you're taking my words about France needing another Napoleon a little bit too literally! What is meant by these words is that France is in dire need of a strong leader. Napoleon, by anyone's definition, was a strong leader. That's all! Just thought I'd clear this point up.

At 11/12/2005 6:00 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I'm glad that you stopped back by for the clarification.

I see that this particular article of yours got many comments here and at your own blog. Well done!


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