Saturday, November 05, 2005

"Imagine You're A Woman"

This article from the October 31, 2005 edition of Asharq Alawsat is published in its entirety:
Imagine You're a Woman
by Badriyya Al-Bishr

Imagine you're a woman. When your brother is born, people say 'It's a boy, how wonderful,' yet when you are born they say, 'A little girl, how wonderful!' Why do they use diminutive form? Your arrival is welcome if you are the first or second girl; it is best your mother has no more than two. On the other hand, the arrival of boys is always welcome! The more the merrier, the saying goes.

Imagine you're a woman. You will always need to seek permission from your guardian not only for your first marriage, according to Islamic legal scholars, but in every other matter. You cannot study without your guardian's permission, even at the level of PhD and you cannot get a job and earn a living either. Furthermore, many shamelessly argue that a woman must have permission to work even in the private sector.

Imagine you're a woman and picture your 15-year old son or your brother accompanying you on every journey. Your guardian might request a bribe in return for setting you free from his unwanted company but will not accept cash since his self-respect prevents him from touching a woman's money. Instead, he will ask for a car or the money to be paid in installments.

Imagine you're a woman, and you are subject physically abused and maybe even killed. When the press publishes your photograph and exposes the brutality of the beatings, the public will only care whether you were veiled. When the man who broke your ribs is your husband, people will believe there was a reason behind his actions.

Imagine you're a woman whose husband breaks your nose, arm, or leg. When you file a complaint, the judge responds reproachfully, 'Is that all?' He believes physical abuse to be a natural occurrence amongst all families as the saying goes 'Beating the beloved is like eating raisins.'

Imagine you're a woman who must be driven in a ‘limousine’ by your Indian or Sri Lankan driver because you yourself are not allowed behind the steering wheel.

Imagine you're a woman in the 21st century at a time when experts in Islamic law are issuing religious edicts on sexual intercourse with the enemy’s womenfolk, but you do not know to which enemy they refer to.

Imagine you're a woman who writes in a newspaper, and every time you write about women issues such as poverty, unemployment, and legal issues, they say: 'Never mind her, it is all women's talk.

Why don't the others commit Suicide?

Badriyya Al-Bishr is a lecturer in social sciences at King Saud University.

52 Comments:

At 11/05/2005 8:50 AM, Anonymous elmers brother said...

i find it difficult to do.

 
At 11/05/2005 9:35 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

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At 11/05/2005 9:49 AM, Anonymous elmers brother said...

Sad the value they place on women. I can't imagine, nor can I understand the mad left and their support for the jihadis. They are cutting their own throats and are blind to it.

Good post..I appreciate your site.

 
At 11/05/2005 12:12 PM, Blogger Pastorius said...

Women are slaves in the Muslim world. Slaves, literally.

For that reason alone, this is a just war.

 
At 11/05/2005 1:47 PM, Blogger Mark said...

Women are strangely silent about the woes of the Muslimah! They burnt their bras not so many years ago, yet today they are silent. Whatever happened to the vociferous women who fought for their liberty? It's as if enslaving them by Muslims is somehow acceptable, whereas the few restrictions on them that used to be placed in the Christian West were not!

Women had better keep looking over their shoulder, since with the growth of Islam here in the West, there's no telling what life will be like for them in the years to come.

Life has its many twists and turns.

 
At 11/05/2005 1:59 PM, Anonymous Felis said...

"They burnt their bras not so many years ago, yet today they are silent. "
In fact the feminist movement implies that reforming Islam is not a big deal, for the religion itself DOESN'T preevent gender equality.
It is only some conservative males who do not interpret the holy Quran correctly.
The are growing numbers of Muslim-Feminist web sites... in the Western countries of course.
This is just a part of of the radical-left movement/push to use Islam in dismantling the common evil - the Capitalist West.

 
At 11/05/2005 5:05 PM, Blogger Mark said...

How perverse, Felis!

 
At 11/05/2005 6:50 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

For the most part, the world is silent about the matters presented in the article I posted. Where are the feminist groups? Why aren't they howling their heads off?

Two books (not particularly recent) present personal anecdotes about the situation with women in Muslim nations: Not without My Daughter and Princess. The Council on Islamic Education urges teachers in public schools not to show the movie version of the first book--all the more reason to have another look at that film, I think.

 
At 11/05/2005 7:21 PM, Blogger Toni said...

Why aren't the American Muslim Women screaming their heads off? You'd think they'd be 100% in favor of the liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan instead of trying to thwart the US at every turn. The same goes for American Muslim men, why aren't they joining the US Military in droves to aid in the liberating of their ancestry? The duplicity of the American Muslim in aiding and abetting Islamic terrorists is disgusting to me. One of the reasons why I have no respect for the religion of Islam. What an Un-PC thing for me to say.

 
At 11/05/2005 8:04 PM, Blogger Esther said...

Great article...sad times. Sometimes the silence is deafening.

 
At 11/05/2005 8:49 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Where are all the gung-ho gay men ready to join the Army and put a stop to this?

Oh wait, there's a war on.

 
At 11/05/2005 11:12 PM, Blogger samwich said...

You know if a man gets in touch with his feminin side, another man finding it out is the last thing on earth he wants to happen.

My own life's experiences have taught me how much God loves his daughters. As a red blooded dumpy old fart, I have many years training about how much God loves His only Begotten Son, just like every other Christian is taught. Unusual that I was chosen to be taught just how much He loves His daughters. Even Jane and Hillary. This is not to say He approves of bad conduct and behaviors.
He loves each and every one of His daughters every bit as much as He loves His only Begotten Son.

I have no sympathy for abusive men when they reap what they have sown.

There was a law irrevokably decreed in the heavens before the world was; that all of the pain and suffering you cause, you will suffer.

Beware the consequences of the offense to one of His princesses, you will be held accountable. The unjust will be subjected to justice.

S

 
At 11/06/2005 7:29 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

The left rails against theocracy but says nothing about it when practiced under the name of Allah.
France is a good example of the failure of the multicultural myth.

 
At 11/06/2005 8:10 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Just a little housekeeping...

I have deleted my first comment here because it is a duplicate of the article I posted. At first, I had to post the article in the comments section because I was having problems posting the text to this site. I switched computers and finally got the article where it belonged--on the home page.

Also, because there was a delay in getting the article up (only the title showed), Elmer's Brother made his wry comment, totally appropriate at the time.

 
At 11/06/2005 2:28 PM, Blogger David Schantz said...

Some old John Lennon music about a perfect Socialist world keeps running through my head when I read this post. I can't imagine any good coming from a Socialist world and I can't imagine any of the women I have ever met allowing anyone to treat them like they were some sub-human form of life.

God Bless America, God Save The Republic.

 
At 11/06/2005 3:46 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

What the hell does socialism have to do with wahabism?
You right wingers need to focus.

Someone tell toni that the burqa has returned to Iraq and women's rights have deteriorated. Also would someone please tell her the burqa never left Afghanistan.

Our recent shenanigans in the Middle East aren't advancing anyone's cause except for some Iraqi National Congress officials who are raping the treasury.

 
At 11/06/2005 3:58 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Afghan poet dies after battering

Nadia Anjuman had a cut to her head
A well-known Afghan poet and journalist has died from her injuries after being beaten, police say.
Officers found the body of Nadia Anjuman, 25, at her home in the western city of Herat.
............................................................
A reminder to folks who think women's liberation has advanced in Afghanistan since our "liberation". To think that we are going to transform a landlocked tribal nation merely by stationing a few troops when that nation has never had a centralized government in recorded history is sheer folly.

Better to stop the chest thumping and decide if we are in fact going to try to develop agriculture, industry and health in that country. That may be of value. Right now we have done nothing more than turn it into a large heroin lab.

 
At 11/06/2005 4:16 PM, Anonymous Felis said...

Mark,
"How perverse, Felis!"
I know.
Check this one out.
(Just a tiny sample of what's going on).
And of course Saudi charities cover the expenses.

http://www.redflag.org.uk/frontline/16/16islam.html

 
At 11/06/2005 4:48 PM, Blogger Mustang said...

No one is thumping their chest about massive changes in Middle Eastern countries, Duck (you idiot). The post illustrates that Muslims are barbaric in a number of ways in their treatment toward women. Strangely, this seems to be okay with the leftist mindset. Where is the outcry against these kinds of human rights abuses?

To be fair, though, Muslims are not the only people who routinely abuse women. A few years ago, a televised report indicated that a Hindu man set his wife on fire because she had the audacity to deliver a female child as her first-born. Of course, there were no charges ever filed against the husband.

I am appalled that the UN has not attempted to ban the practice of female circumcision. I wonder why an organization dedicated to the rights of mankind hasn't taken up this topic as a matter of priority.

 
At 11/06/2005 5:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you all are emphasizing the negative a little too strongly. In certain environments (natural and cultural) the Islamic practice of shielding their women in "harems" and providing "escorts" for them in public is the only viable way of life and protecting them. To believe otherwise is, in my opinion, simply naive. It is only in the last century that civil society has been "safe enough" to allow women the same freedoms man have always enjoyed. For we now take the safety of our civilization and the protections offered by our society and government for granted.

However, when Muslims come into OUR environment, or "westernize" their own, they cannot expect to hold onto their ancient practices and traditions. They must assimilate into our culture or adapt, or not suffer surprise if they are discriminated against or essentially reviled for their "barbaric" practices. They must be prepared to "let their women go" and join the mainstream of American life. If they cannot, they should return to their homelands.

-FJ

ps - I'm not condoning wife beating or abuse... I just don't think that a blanket condemnation of Islam is in order... for the hills of Afghanistan is like stepping into America's wild wild west. Lots of bandits and indians to worry about, not to mention all the wild critters about. Perhaps mom ought to stay "indoors" and let pa handle the "outside" work.

-FJ

 
At 11/06/2005 8:17 PM, Blogger LASunsett said...

AOW,

Where are all of the radical, feminist types that use every opportunity to bash all men, when you need them? Why is NOW, Barbara Boxer, and even Hillary absent on this? They can sure show up for a Bush Bash Fest, and accuse him of setting back the cause of women's rights 30 years, but where are they when the rights of women are really being abused in other countries, especially those that follow Islam?

Duck, do you ever really read the entire article or do you scan for one part you can take out of context, blow it out of proportion, and turn it around to Bush and the evil corporations? Talk about tunnel vision.

 
At 11/06/2005 8:47 PM, Blogger The Exile said...

The reason that Muslim men want to control "their" women is because of nothing more than insecurity. They need that control to affirm their "manliness". It's the same thing that Libearls accuse Conservative men of, but in this case it's true.

Muslim men are, basically, cowards. It's part of their culture that if anyone projects more power than they do, they back down. That's why negotiating with them is useless: it's seen as a weakness. If it weren't for the promise of "martyrdom" and 72 virgins (read "little girls"), none of them would put up a fight.

I've had a couple of confrontations with Muslim men (one was about to take a swing at my mother-in-law...I was torn). In each case, the second that I got in their face and asserted myself, they turned into craven, whining embarrasments.

If you're willing to fold that quickly in the face of a threat, you can't feel too good about your manhood, which explains why they love to oppress their women so much.

 
At 11/06/2005 9:17 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Exile,
Your comment just popped into my inbox, and I laughed out loud when I read that part about your mother-in-law: (one was about to take a swing at my mother-in-law...I was torn)

But the rest of your comment is serious indeed, and I think you're analysis is correct: insecurity, efforts to affirm manliness, the power trip, sexual relations with children (those 72 virgins), etc.

Generally speaking, those who try very hard to exert their power over other individuals are masking their own feelings of weakness.

Furthermore, Muslim men see women as evil and as evil temptresses.

And this part of the posted article bothers me a great deal: Imagine you're a woman whose husband breaks your nose, arm, or leg. When you file a complaint, the judge responds reproachfully, 'Is that all?' He believes physical abuse to be a natural occurrence amongst all families as the saying goes 'Beating the beloved is like eating raisins.' To me, that is barbaric!

Thanks, Exile, for stopping by.

 
At 11/06/2005 9:39 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
Your comments are coming out of left field (pun not intended, but it fits). The article posted here was written by a Saudi, I believe. And the focus of it is in line with Mustang's comment.

Are you not at all concerned with the poignant text of the posted article? From birth, females are relegated to the lower class just by virtue of their gender--a permanent trap.

I see no mention of the burqa in Toni's comment.

Get a grip, Duck. Not every single thought which crosses your mind pertains to the thread here.

 
At 11/06/2005 10:08 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

FJ,
I think you all are emphasizing the negative a little too strongly. In certain environments (natural and cultural) the Islamic practice of shielding their women in "harems" and providing "escorts" for them in public is the only viable way of life and protecting them.

The posted article is itself a condemnation, and from a Saudi, at that.

As to protecting their women, I don't think some of the escorting is all about protection from harm, though that might be an element in some cases, particularly in the wilderness. But the same type of escorting occurs in areas not in the wilds, so to speak. I think the escorting in metropolitan areas has more to do with protecting property, which women as regarded as.

Of course, we totally agree on this: However, when Muslims come into OUR environment, or "westernize" their own, they cannot expect to hold onto their ancient practices and traditions.

Did you notice the article's reference to the 21st Century? Important, I think, at least in the eyes of that writer.

In some cases I've read, fundamentalist Muslims aren't willing to do so, even here in the United States. I've read that in Canada some Muslims want shari'a law applied to their cultural variant of wife-beating.

 
At 11/06/2005 10:16 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

LA,
Duck doesn't care about the articles. He cares only about his own pontificating. Everything in Duck's world has to lead back to the failings of the current administration.

As to the feminists, they just aren't saying much. I guess the issue of this post doesn't fit their agenda.

 
At 11/06/2005 10:44 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak,
I thought theocracy went out of style long ago, but apparently I was wrong.

 
At 11/06/2005 10:46 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

David,
Utopias have never succeeded. Lennon's dream was only that--a dream, and an impossible one.

 
At 11/06/2005 10:53 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Samwich,
There was a law irrevokably decreed in the heavens before the world was; that all of the pain and suffering you cause, you will suffer.

Beware the consequences of the offense to one of His princesses, you will be held accountable. The unjust will be subjected to justice.


Justice can be a long time in coming, however. And for some, the interim suffering seems interminable. In this life, we should do everything we can to alleviate that suffering. I think that last might be the unspoken words in the article I posted.

 
At 11/06/2005 10:55 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beamish,
gung-ho gay men

Don't ask, don't tell--but mostly in peacetime.

 
At 11/06/2005 10:57 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Toni and Esther,
The silence you've both mentioned is what disturbs me the most.

 
At 11/07/2005 4:22 AM, Blogger samwich said...

Hi AOW, What you say is true. I've been there and waited.

BUT IT DOES COME!!!

Shakespear observed, "The wheels of justice grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine".

Think for a moment that you are Yasser Arafat, now dead. Where are you and how do you feel?

S

 
At 11/07/2005 10:08 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Mustang, get a grip. The U.N. has actively tried to stop female circumcision. Surely you know that cultural norms die hard. Take the American problem of ex-military strutting around mumbling "freedom isn't free" when they haven't done anything useful in 60 years.

I defy you to prove that it is in fact Islam that is the issue or whether it is tribal norms. If you can tell me how encouraging economic growth will further repress women I am ready to listen but here's the fact. Your dopey hero President Chimpy with his pathetic "Bring 'Em On" has managed to harden the feeling that the west is at war with all of Islam and has caused a decline in women's rights.

As far as battering goes...we should look closer to home and stop the high occurrence among police. It's a problem all through the western world as well as Islam. Spain needed a socialist government to really start getting tough on it recently.

Your cliched ignorance of the U.N. commision on women's rights is not surprising, but things move despite you. A woman may be elected head of Nigeria. A major advance. Things have regressed in Iraq but we always have to pay for the missteps of the cliched "freedom isn't free" crowd and their mischief.

 
At 11/07/2005 10:58 AM, Blogger Cubed © said...

Some of you may already have a copy of a book titled "Princess," the autobiography of a Saudi woman brought up in an upper crust family.

It makes interesting reading, especially since it is about the personal, real-life experiences of a woman living in this society.

I am re-doing the floor of the room the computer is in, so a lot of my books have been boxed up and moved out, so I can't give you anything more than the title, but I just wanted to throw the title out there in case someone has a use for such material.

 
At 11/07/2005 11:48 AM, Blogger Bassizzzt said...

I have witnessed first-hand on how women are mistreated in Saudi Arabia.

Once in Riyadh, I watched a crowd gather around a woman who was placed in a small hole waist-deep. She was bound with a sheet tied around her head and waist. I could not watch as they began to stone her to death.

Here in America, Muslim women adorn their chador or hijab, which in reality are nothing more than symbols of oppression. I have yet to see a burqa here in America.

 
At 11/07/2005 12:40 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Ah yes, our friends the Saudis. Well, that's one oil regime Bush loves. He's been pressing them hard on human rights issues.

 
At 11/07/2005 12:47 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

Duck is great!
Lets take this one a paragraph at a time:

Mustang, get a grip. The U.N. has actively tried to stop female circumcision. Surely you know that cultural norms die hard. Take the American problem of ex-military strutting around mumbling "freedom isn't free" when they haven't done anything useful in 60 years.
Never mind that whole Cold War thing. Or the countless skirmishes that have kept a great deal of nations free, reguardless of their thanks. Oh, and the extreme liberty with which we have been able to expand our economy because we fear no nation’s reprival. Other than keeping America number friggin 1 in the world… your right. By the way, you enjoy the Stars and Stripes over the Hammer and Sickle?

I defy you to prove that it is in fact Islam that is the issue or whether it is tribal norms. If you can tell me how encouraging economic growth will further repress women I am ready to listen but here's the fact. Your dopey hero President Chimpy with his pathetic "Bring 'Em On" has managed to harden the feeling that the west is at war with all of Islam and has caused a decline in women's rights.
Tribal norms over the entire Muslim world? Pakistan, Saudi, Iran, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Syria, etc… They are all part of the same tribe with the same tradition of beating their woman? Did you ever read my post “Peaceful Islam” (http://americacentered.blogspot.com/2005/11/shining-example-of-peaceful-islam.html)? If not, I suggest you read about other neat tribal customs we are supposed to accept under your idiot boy mentality. Woman’s Rights… but only if it doesn’t offend anyone? Don’t be a tool

As far as battering goes...we should look closer to home and stop the high occurrence among police. It's a problem all through the western world as well as Islam. Spain needed a socialist government to really start getting tough on it recently.
Again, you want everyone to forget the common, everyday practice of feminen brutality in the Muslim world, and shift focus onto the very isolated events of law enforcement taking things too far. Your mind works so partisan, and so warped, it is amazing you can make Chicken Noodle Soup without going on a protest march to promote the rights of Chickens (and noodles?). How about we let the law take it’s course, as it does 90% of the time in those cases, and we will keep the focus on this issue, where the law doesn’t take the right course (it protects the abusers). Spain has a socialist government because Islamo-fascists had success there. That is what they would like to do everywhere: influence governments, and force voters to change things to meet the radical’s agenda. You really think that the current government in Spain will be good for the Spanish, check back in 5 years when their entire economy is on the verge of collapse.

Your cliched ignorance of the U.N. commision on women's rights is not surprising, but things move despite you. A woman may be elected head of Nigeria. A major advance. Things have regressed in Iraq but we always have to pay for the missteps of the cliched "freedom isn't free" crowd and their mischief.
Things have regressed in Iraq to the point that now those crazy women are “choosing” to wear their veils. I still venture to say it’s better than when Saddam’s sons would roll up, kidnap them, rape, murder, and then deliver the head to the father. And you are going to proclaim the success of the UN over Nigeria allowing woman to be elected head of the government? How about we stack that one with Darfur, and the millions of cases of woman’s rights abuses they ignore? They still loose. By this logic, hell, Bush should be a smashing success in your book. He has told everyone repeatedly that Islam is a “religion of peace”, so, as you do with the UN, ignore everything else he says or does, and point to that… call him a success.

Oh wait, that violates your party lines… sorry.

 
At 11/07/2005 1:38 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Yup, you got me g, JFK did do something of substance when Th Cuban Missile Crisis ended the Cold War. Make no mistake, it was over at that oint. Just a tragic denoument that followed as a number of countries were destroyed.

Africa will probably never recover from what was done as the West and then Russia threw money at cheap dictators and didn't much care what followed. Not much in the way of freedom followed. But it was JFK who ended it, despite your probably longing for Ronnie Raygun as he cut and ran in lebanon and invaded Grenada to give you something to do.

So all Islamic countries are the same? Really, g, reconsider. That's to foolish a statement to merit a retort...Shia's and wahabis and sunnis and sufis and druze and kariji. All the same.

When you can drop your little "religion of peace" cliche and try to enter discussion it might be fruitful. Certainly neither of us is a muslim scholar but I seem to have a start on you.

As for what is preferable in Iraq...how did that become your choice? If you think an Iraq joined with Iran is going to promote women's rights then you are going to have to have the world move in pretty mysterious ways.

And who is ignoring Darfur? What is it with you jarheads? We don't take military action and we are ignoring things. Now just how are we to proceed in Sudan? I don't know and nither do you.

I do know that America has been in the forefront of blocking any family planning education in Africa and has helped gut the Ugandan AIDS progtam which is falling apart after making large gains. Now I would say that health is probably part of "women's rights" and since it goes towards improved development it would eventually have an effect, but we crippled the U.N. there and then we have you and mustang crowing like roosters at the U.N.s supposed failures.

While we are at it....did you notice the French Interior Minister talking trash...scum, we'll clean them out with a firehose". That's pretty much your strategy...another fool yelling Bring 'Em On and they did just that.....but if we clamp down on Islam all will be well. That strategy fails, better we find a way to help develo the world. Let's face it...in the last twenty years, China has done as much to eliminate poverty as anyone. Hard to accept but that's the facts on the ground.

I enjoyed, mustangs latest rant about Chavez(he is a zany, isn't he). Mustang thinks that South America is all agriculture and raw materials...doesn't mention Cuba's world class biomedical industry(wha=y han't any other Carribean nation developed one) or Brazil's world class aircraft industry...well I don't look to you guys for erudition.

 
At 11/07/2005 2:13 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

g, pick up a copy of Yasmina Khadra's "The Swallows odf Kabul". A novel of Taliban controlled Kabul written by an Algerian muslim....it might give your perception of Islam some granularity. Or a copy of "Readin Lolita in Tehran". Also recent Iranian cinema, which was among the best in the world until the crackdown recently due to Bush strengthening the hard liners.

 
At 11/07/2005 2:57 PM, Blogger samwich said...

Duck and G, have either of you looked into the countries decimated by war since JFK sold us out at the Bay of Pigs.

Look for a goverment owned banking system which was eliminated in favor of a privately owned banking system.

Libya's Daffy Kadafy capitulated and Libya is no longer one of the seven rogue nations (one of the last seven nations on earth to have a government owned bank). Iraq no longer has a government owned bank now also.

Bush is employed by the New York/London banking cartel, and is owned by the Rothschilds and Rockefellers just like his grand daddy in World War II.

Terrorism is the "war of the poor".
War is the "terrorism of the rich".

Short the US Dollar

S

 
At 11/07/2005 3:16 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Come on samwich, "short the dollar"? Of course.

I've been in international equities. Are you saying move to gold?

 
At 11/07/2005 3:32 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

In Pakistan, an estimated 75% of the woman in prison are woman who claimed to have been raped. Sharia law states that there must be 4 men present who actually witnessed the penetration to convict the rapist. Wouldn't it be obvious that if they are 4 man present that they would stop it? In Nigeria a pregnant woman was sentenced to be stoned because of infidelity. The woman claimed her neighbor raped her but he said he didn't know her even though there were witnesses who did say he knew who she was. At present, her sentence has been stayed by Nigeria. In many Muslim societies, a woman needs permission just to leave her house on an errand. By law one man's word is equal to the word of 2 women. Sharia law also allows for the husband to beat her if she displeases him. A man may divorce his wife by simply saying "I divorce you" three times. If at the end of three menses cycles she is not pregnant, then the divorce is legal.

 
At 11/07/2005 3:38 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

On a quick sidebar...the Koran doesn't mention that women should be veiled or not. It was actually a custom that was being practiced by both pagan Arabs and Byzantium Christians before the birth of Islam.

 
At 11/07/2005 5:04 PM, Blogger samwich said...

Duck, Gold is in a genuine bull market and will stay there. Look for it to break $475 and higher to $510 and eventually $600. Gold equities are poised to explode.
From 2002:
Central Bank Gold loans and swaps are around 14,000 tons, mine supply 2500 tons and headed lower and a yearly supply deficit is running approximately at 14,000 tons. A pile of Gold derivatives on top of that means you have a gold price explosion waiting to happen. It is happening!
The next index's drop will precipitate a flight to gold.
The dollar was in a bull trap and has resumed it's long term bear trend. Watch it break 80-78 real soon.
Buffet, Soros, Templeton and pals dumped all stocks and Mutual Funds in 2000 and move into bonds, two year treasuries, gold, silver, numismatics, Swiss Francs and SHORT THE DOLLAR. They also monitor "out of the money" puts on the S&P and will move when the indicators point to sufficient profit.

I make my money in Weat, Soybeans and Corn exactly the same way the commericials and hedgers do. Options and back up capital to ride the fluctuations to delivery, no stops until I'm in profitable territory then I use a trailing stop to stop me out with a profit.

December Wheat is forecast to deliver at $3.40-$3.70 per bushel. I expect this 5th wave to end at $2.96, a very tradeable buy point.

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At 11/07/2005 5:29 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

Duck,

I didnt presume the Muslim nations are all the same, you did by saying it was "tribal customs". i just pointed out that that "custom" seesm to prevail every Muslim country.

And I will wholly agree with you. You are much closer to a Muslim than I.

 
At 11/07/2005 9:50 PM, Blogger Mustang said...

Mustang, get a grip. The U.N. has actively tried to stop female circumcision. Surely you know that cultural norms die hard.

I agree that cultural norms are difficult to change, duck for brains, but you appear to have forgotten to include citations in your claim that the UN has actively tried to stop female circumcision. What, in particular, has the UN accomplished? Oh . . . wait . . . the issue appeared on an agenda for some non-descript low-level meeting? How many abuses occur while bureaucrats chew the fat and accomplish little else than drawing a heft salary? I can see that you, like most leftists, are big on “trying” and small on “accomplishment.” By the way, could this be the SAME United Nations that placed Momar Khadafi in charge of the human commission?


I defy you to prove that it is in fact Islam that is the issue or whether it is tribal norms.

Duck, your lack of basic knowledge (considering the fact that you claim to be an educator) is astounding. Are you attempting to tell us that it is possible to remove religion from cultural mores? Religion (or its absence) is a basis of all human behavior, and therefore cultural behavior – please write that down so that you don’t embarrass yourself in the future.

As far as battering goes...we should look closer to home and stop the high occurrence among police.

Yes, duck . . . if you are unable to make a rational argument, be sure to change the topic under discussion. We are discussing the quality of life among Middle Eastern (sans Muslim) women, not police abuses here in the United States. I hope you are taking meds for your AADHD. All of us deplore instances of abuses of power, Duck. The fact that it happens in the US does not justify occurrences in other nations, does it? It is true that people abuse women here, but you might note that there are laws that protect our citizens from abusive husbands (and/or wives). Now as it happens, the Qu'ran does include passages designed to protect women, but somehow those suras are largely ignored.

Things have regressed in Iraq . . .

What things, Duck? You might do us all a favor (as well as yourself) by consulting more than one source of information, and then thinking carefully about the issue before commenting on it . . . and you might try being specific in the future.

Now it so happens that I find your lack of manners irritating, but it is possible that you are not as bad as you make yourself look. Why don’t you try “discussion” rather than personal attacks and snide remarks – who knows, with some extra effort on your part, you might actually develop a personality.

 
At 11/07/2005 10:31 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Mustang,

You just don't understand Ducky. Try huffing a garbage bag full of paint thinner fumes.

Then, and only then will you believe, as Ducky does, that we're "losing a war" to a country that "is not a threat."

 
At 11/08/2005 6:20 AM, Blogger LASunsett said...

Mustang,

"What things, Duck? You might do us all a favor (as well as yourself) by consulting more than one source of information, and then thinking carefully about the issue before commenting on it ."

Duck's information in almost every argument he takes on, is propaganda straight out of the playbook from outfits like the DNC, MoveOn.Org, and the Howard Deaniac Foundation. Almost ever bit of it. What he doesn't use from their scripted delusions, he makes up.

"Why don’t you try “discussion” rather than personal attacks and snide remarks – who knows, with some extra effort on your part, you might actually develop a personality."

And then again, maybe not.

 
At 11/08/2005 9:47 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
Personal message here...I got that book you mentioned (on another thread at this blog) from the library yesterday. I'll try to get to it soon.

 
At 11/08/2005 9:48 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Dear Commenters:
I see you're all having a good time here. LOL.

If I have anything to add, I'll be back by this thread later in the week. Too many papers to grade right now!

 
At 11/09/2005 8:03 PM, Blogger Cubed © said...

"Duck, your lack of basic knowledge (considering the fact that you claim to be an educator) is astounding."

OMG, Duck is an educator? Say not so!

Well, I'm not surprised, since most of our schools have been infested with collectivists like this, be it in the form of Liberals,Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Fascists, or Nazis. They're all collectivists, and they all disvalue the individual and his rights. They just don't understand that if the rights of the individual are protected, then the rights of the group as a whole are protected.

That's the reason--the disvaluing of the individual and his rights--that collectivism of all sorts, including our Liberal friends in the U.S. today, and the Nazis of WWII Germany, finds itself in bed with Islam.

We have to get through to the children. They have to understand what the Founders understood. We mustn't lose any more time.

 
At 11/09/2005 8:16 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Cubed,
Yes, Duck tells us that he is an educator--a teacher of videography. He once referred to his students as "revolutionaries" or "Trotskyites," I think; but later he said that he wasn't being literal.

if the rights of the individual are protected, then the rights of the group as a whole are protected
Lincoln-Douglass Debate, aka values debate, teaches that relativism is a principle to be lauded. Makes a mockery of the very term "values debate," doesn't it? Many debate clubs in our public schools focus on values debate. Maybe policy debate is too objective for promoting the leftist agenda.

You're right, Cubed: Time is of the essence! And a major problem is that the educators themselves have been corrupted and cannot think with discernment. Furthermore, with Susan Douglass (convert to Wahhabism) sitting on the advisory boards for social-studies texts, curriculum is not reliable.

 

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