Sunday, April 02, 2006

Heads In The Clouds

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"Stop complaining, Mohammad ... we've all been caricatured, here."

According to this March 22, 2006 posting over at GM's Corner, a Welsh clergyman got into trouble for publishing the above. In fact, the priest, the editor of a church magazine, resigned over this matter.

The purpose of the article was to encourage tolerance among the Abrahamic faiths—Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

[Read the Guardian article here]

95 Comments:

At 4/02/2006 8:53 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I don't know how to resize the picture, so readers here will just have to bear with what I've got here.

This caricature was too good not to post. LOL.

If anybody knows the HTML to resize this PhotoBucket image, please email me.

 
At 4/02/2006 9:54 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Disregard previous comment. GM helped me out.

Thanks, GM!

 
At 4/02/2006 10:17 AM, Blogger nanc said...

two words: "tits up"

 
At 4/02/2006 11:35 AM, Blogger George Mason said...

AOW:

It might be better for me to say "thumbs up!" You are doing humanity a great service by showing the guts our government and intelligentsia won't.

 
At 4/02/2006 12:21 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

"Truth starts with the individual. Conviction and persistence is the contagion."

 
At 4/02/2006 1:01 PM, Blogger Mark said...

That Welsh clergyman obviously doesn't understand the nature of Islam. Islam is beyond tolerance of other "Abrahamic" faiths! Tolerance there will never be. Annihilation, more like!

 
At 4/02/2006 1:38 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

In truth, islam cannot truely be Abrahamic! In Genesis, G*D said HE would bless those who bless Abraham(and his people) and curse those who curse them. Also G*D literally curses Ishmael by saying that his hand would be against everyman and everyman's hand will be raised against him! When Abraham waffled about kicking him out, G*D agreed with Sarah that the child of the bondwoman would not inherit with the son of the wife! Ishmael was cast out, disowned and cursed. Sounds like islam has no part of Abraham and his decendents(blood or spirit!)
That is why any excuse to rage is taken! They have to raise thier hands against!
tmw

 
At 4/02/2006 3:20 PM, Blogger kevin said...

Perhaps a religion that refuses to be critisized just doesn't stand up to critisism.

 
At 4/02/2006 3:45 PM, Blogger nanc said...

you're all over that kevin.

 
At 4/02/2006 4:54 PM, Anonymous Mustang said...

AOW is spot on again. Good job, my friend.

 
At 4/02/2006 5:03 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

AOW..thats actually quite mellow and in good humor..if thats offensive, Heaven forfend any cartoonist who is a bit more overt!

 
At 4/02/2006 6:39 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

AOW..thats actually quite mellow and in good humor..if thats offensive, Heaven forfend any cartoonist who is a bit more overt!

Muslims will decide what is offensive and what is not.
Let's not forget our place here.
This may change of course if we submit.
After all isn't Allah all merciful and all that jazz?

 
At 4/02/2006 8:23 PM, Blogger nanc said...

inquiring minds want to know if aow is going to share her fatwa?

 
At 4/02/2006 8:43 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
Too funny! Of course I will share my fatwa! But any outspoken infidel can qualify. It's easy!

George Mason has given me credit for guts. I thank him for that compliment, but outrage is probably more of a motivator for me.

Due to my mannerly upbringing (according to the Golden Rule, not present in Islam, BTW), I've "kept a lid on" for nearly four years. I'm done with that now. I think my avatar inspired me. Gotta live up to Rosie's reputation! LOL.

This past Friday, even before I got my fatwa, one of my clients had a look at my blog and asked, "What book can I read so that I can get a handle on what's going on at your blog? I've got to understand." Immediately I recommended Mark's book. I hope that she gets a copy right away!

As Missing Link pointed out, fatwa terms change. What is inoffensive today may be offensive tomorrow. Dhimmitude is accomplished in stages.

 
At 4/02/2006 10:32 PM, Blogger Filou said...

It's pathetic that the editor had to resign for publishing such a cartoon. May be they should rename the magazine "The Welsh Dhimmi"

 
At 4/02/2006 11:47 PM, Blogger nanc said...

well with an avatar to die for, perhaps we should start calling you "aow rushdie" or "aow fallaci"! you are in good company.

 
At 4/03/2006 4:11 AM, Blogger David Schantz said...

I never paid any attention to cartoons until I found out some people found them offensive. I'm still trying to figure out what it is that has everyone saying I'm sorry.

God Bless America, God Save The Republic.

 
At 4/03/2006 9:37 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Anyone daring to speak the truth shall carry a death sentence with Islam.

Is the truth worth defending?

Are our lives the currency that serves as bail for the truth?

What a fearsome price for the world! Men and women of principle shall pay that price, and the world will be left with the truth, evident to those lacking the principles to defend it!

What a joyous prospect; to die for the truth and validate our convictions to God and man (Ducky will believe I am being facetious - I am not).

We can pray that the struggle will be long, fruitful, and ripe with opportunity to wound the enemy.

I'll add my typical line to David Schantz's prayer:

God Bless America, God Save The Republic, and God damn Islam.

 
At 4/03/2006 10:18 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Thanks to all for your comments.

Two thoughts on a personal, not on a national or global level:

1. These cave-in-to-the-demands-of-Muslims stories have to be ferreted out. The msm will simply not cover them. And plenty of similar stories are out there.

2. What is defined as blasphemy in Islam contradicts the freedoms we hold dear. While certain caricatures of Jesus Christ might offend me, I wouldn't go around proclaiming, "You're going to hell for that!" In fact, I personally have never objected to any caricatures of my faith; I just look the other way or, at the most, write a mild letter of objection. Of course, as far as taking violent action or urging anyone else to do so goes, that option is out.

In the Old Testament, the prophets of Baal were constantly defending their false god. They cut themselves with knives in an attempt to get Baal to answer their prayers. Hmmmm.....Why is something else in our modern day come to mind right now.

I stress, once again, that anyone is free to believe or not to believe, as far as I'm concerned. But objecting to the mild caricature pictured here, a caricature published in an Anglican Church magazine and for the purpose of promoting tolerance, is extreme, especially in light of some of the comics published in Muslim publications, specifically, in the Middle East.

Final thought....Long ago, a friend of mine said something very like this when his son was whining about something unfair (probably at school): "Bad things happen to everyone. Life isn't always fair. But it is YOUR REACTION to life's ups and downs that matters." Cliched? Maybe. Yet I believe that our reactions in the face of adversity really do matter and speak volumes about our characters and our convictions. Anyone can react reasonably and rationally during good times. The true test of character comes when life is tough or when someone expresses disagreement.

Off on blog rounds now, then to work this afternoon.

 
At 4/03/2006 10:31 AM, Blogger nanc said...

truer words never spoken, aow.

mussolini - there will be no unbelievers in hell, that much i do know. the old adage that i'd rather believe and have it not be true than to believe not and have it all be true. faith is where we bank.

 
At 4/03/2006 10:58 AM, Blogger The Truth Hurts said...

It's Monday, springtime in Tennesee, and I refuse to be negative. So here's my take. When Islam finally attacks the West, the lily-livers on the left won't have the guts or knowledge to fight, so when it's over the only ones standing will be the conservatives. All we'll have to do is remove the bodies from California and the Northeast and we'll have more land for 4-wheelin'. Have a great week, y'all!

 
At 4/03/2006 11:35 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

"When Islam finally attacks the West..."

They won't be obvious, striding ashore from their boats in a grand invasion against a line of steely Americans.

They're already here, using the legal system that we respect so much. Once the subversion gains hold, with power sharing and voluntary sharia law, it won't be a turbaned, frizzy-bearded savage with bad teeth that knocks on your door for your surrender for telling the truth about Islam.

It will likely be an American cop doing his job.

Gun in hand to refuse Islam's sentence, will us law-respecting Americans dare raise that gun and become criminal?

The majority will not and will calmly go to the slaughter.

For Ducky, the "dangerous" christian problem in America will be solved, and unprincipled Americans will rejoice.

 
At 4/03/2006 12:32 PM, Blogger Cubed © said...

AOW,

The whole business of restricting criticism (criticism is the verbalization of an unspoken intellectual evaluation or judgment about something) by saying something is "offensive," is the last step before thought control.

If we allow the expression of our evaluations to be limited because someone else finds it "offensive," then we will be frozen, unable to change, to move in any direction, make course corrections, make improvements, find problems, discover errors, because if we do any of those things, there's bound to be someone "out there" who disagrees and therefore finds what we think or say to be "offensive."

We have a fundamental right to think, to evaluate, to make judgments, and, if we disagree with someone, to debate or try to persuade.

No one has a right to stop us - me, you, Ducky - from thinking, making evaluations, and expressing those evaluations. If someone else (Islam included) finds our disagreements and our debates "offensive," that's just too damned bad.

Now, don't make the mistake of confusing "offensive" when it means "I dislike what you said because I don't share that evaluation" with nasty rudeness, which, while it may contain a grain of truth, goes over the top. If someone comes into your home or blogsite and is just plain nasty or nuts or off-topic, you have every right, as owner of that property, to kick him out. In fact, as owner of that property you have a right to kick him out for any reason whatsoever.

Your right to express yourself is not violated under the conditions listed above; it's only when the government, with the force of law, prevents it that your rights are violated. You do not have to supply a podium for anything you don't like, so long as the person you disagree with is free to supply his own podium without fear of legal prosecution.

There are only two ways to violate rights: 1) The initiation of the use of physical force and 2) the use of the intellectual equivalent of physical force, fraud or deceit. Another quick way to remember 1) above is, "Your rights stop at my skin."

By thinking, evaluating, and expressing our thoughts, we are not violating anyone's rights, but when someone tries to intimidate or threaten us in order to prevent us from criticizing, that comes very close to a violation.

If we submit to that kind of intimidation or threat, we come very close to permitting it.

When an accusation of "being offensive" influences us so strongly that it approaches, in our own minds, the force of law, and shuts us down, then the noose the PC Crowd and Islam have already put around our necks continues to tighten.

As it tightens more and more, we must make a decision: Do we submit, or do we preserve one of our fundamental rights?

Go ye forth and collect fatwas! The more the merrier! It's literally an issue of Us or Them!

Every time you have an honest criticism, and you express it, you vote for your rights as a free and thinking human being.

 
At 4/03/2006 12:46 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Cubed,
Your comment is eloquent, as usual. But I admit it, I had to ROFL with joy when I read this portion:

Go ye forth and collect fatwas!

That's what I'm doing. LOL.

Maybe I should change my blog motto; right now, I have a Mark Twain quote. I like it, but not as well as your "Great Commission."

I'm still laughing, and all four cats are now on alert. Hehehe.

 
At 4/03/2006 12:53 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

I'm sorry mussolini but I think you are completely incorrect.

Since everything being posted lately bears on censorship I would note a couple things.

1. This years Berlin film festival included several films about muslims in Europe and they weren't puff pieces. There has been no outcry.

2. European muslims did not riot over the cartoons. In fact they voiced a peaceful objection much as Rudi Giuliani did every time he was strutting with his chippy pointing out anti-Catholic art.
The European muslims were in fact looking for a way to assimilate. Trying to figure out the rules and they got little help from the likes of this "world renowned comic book writer".


In fact, I believe that what you object to is the possibility the muslims will participate in the life of the nation at all. They can't do anything that would assuage you. That's the problem here...they are the bogey man de jour and you seem set to respond the only way you understand.

You diminish my country by making the gun, the cop and the army it's only useful institutions. You are more dangerous to America than any muslim.

 
At 4/03/2006 1:57 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

After reading the article, it seems that the controversy was over the depiction of Mohammed and not Jesus, God or Buddha. Have we really fallen so far in such a short time?

 
At 4/03/2006 2:01 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

AOW..thanks for the comments. I am feeling 100%. Thank God for antibiotics, most of which still wouldn't exist in Islamic lands without Western medicine.

 
At 4/03/2006 2:10 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

Thank God for antibiotics, most of which still wouldn't exist in Islamic lands without Western medicine.

Sort of like numerals, eh?

Just think - without them stoooooopid Ayrabs teaching white people how to count, none of this would make any sense: "Three US marines and a sailor were killed in combat in the restive western Iraqi province of Al Anbar, the US military reported Monday.

"The servicemen died in action Sunday while serving with the Army's 2nd Brigade Combat Team, based in Anbar's province's capital Ramadi.

"The US military on Sunday announced the deaths of six of its troops across Iraq, including two pilots of an Apache helicopter that was shot down by insurgents."

But, thanks to the raggety towel-heads, we can see that it means HEAD COFFINS!

 
At 4/03/2006 2:34 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

duck said..The European muslims were in fact looking for a way to assimilate.

1. Swedish ambulance will not go into Muslim neighborhoods without police protection.

2. France is faced with 5 million plus Muslims in its midst many of whom have no interest in assimilating into the social or political fabric of the country.

3. 92% of the population in Denmark is Christian yet all public schools prepare food according to Islamic standards. We could always ask Theo van Goghhow he thought Muslims were integrating....if he was still alive that is.

4. Muslim rebels continue in their attempts to establish an Islamic state in the former Soviet republic Dagestan. I guess anything with "stan" at the end should just be considered Islamic.

Should we continue with Muslim uprisings in England, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Austria?

3.8 children for every Islamic family compared to 2.1 for every European family.

Allah is merciful!

 
At 4/03/2006 2:41 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

John Brown said...
Sort of like numerals, eh?



Numerals..so-called Arabic, were actually developed in India John Brown.
But hey, let's not confuse people with the facts when misinformation works so much better.

 
At 4/03/2006 2:50 PM, Blogger The Truth Hurts said...

Getting serious, I agree it is a silent invasion and going on right now. Unfortunately, it's being aided and abetted by a bunch of liberals who seem tho think Islam will be all ready to link arms and sing songs with them when the invasion is over. The rude awakening for them will be a knife in the throat. Thank God there are still folks like us around who aren't asleep at the wheel.

 
At 4/03/2006 3:01 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky:

I'm not dangerous; I am interested in self preservation like any other American.

The difference here is that you have nothing to fear. You won't be bothered for having to submit to Islam because it really doesn't effect you if you have to.

For others of us striving to tell the truth about Islam's depredations, we are all under death threat. Do you think Van Gogh's death threat wasn't real? Do you think Rushdie's still valid death threat isn't real? Fortuyn's? How about the hundreds of thousands of christians and jews murdered in the last few years because they dared resist and tell the truth?

You justify your appeasement and acquiescence to mass murder through turning the blind eye to Islamic murder. When those Islamic murderers enforce their sentences here, you will only nod and think, "good riddance, for they were more dangerous than muslims."

You have already made your acceptance of the murders a comfortable one in your mind, already justified and explained away.

You are a true socialist.

 
At 4/03/2006 3:06 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

I would even further add, Ducky, that my "making a bogeyman du jour" out of muslims is exactly how Americans made bogeymen out of communists, right?

Those loveable commies. How sill of us.

You're able to think this because you turned a blind eye to well over 200 million deaths this last century to communist murder. You did it to advance the cause of socialism.

What amazes me is that YOU will turn that same blind eye to Islamic murder because it advances the cause of socialism HERE in the US by getting rid of those who are most opposed to it. You justify it by calling them "dangerous."

Thus, you are willing to spend the lives of HALF of the US to Islam so you can see socialism advance.

YOU, Ducky, are the most dangerous element in America today.

 
At 4/03/2006 4:09 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Let's answer iran watch first...

1. Swedish ambulances...in the day there were a lot of rough neighborhoods American ambulances and fire fighters wouldn't enter without help. Still are. So there are rough neighborhoods in Sweden also (attribution please).

2. France has muslims who don't want to be citizens.... sort of like our immigrant issue, eh. Big deal. Why is religion and not immigration the marker here (I do know the answer)?

3. So what does that mean...they don't serve ham, pork and alcohol? Do they serve fried clams? If you get my drift.
Attribution please...not that it's a big deal.

4. Ooooooh, muslim rebels. First we have AOW, Beak and others telling us how nasty Russian rule was and then no one is expected to rebel. Good muslims accept domination like good dhimmi's? Get your story straight...you think like a libertarian.


Mussolini, do I think the van Gogh death threat was real? yes. i velieve there are a lot of demented f---ks in the world. Unabombers, white seperatists...the list goes on. It is our condition. Fortyn was killed by the same type of whitebread homophobe who kille Matthew Shepard.

Thousands of jews murdered in the last few years? Liar. Document it.

I don't acquiesce to mass murder. I am quite opposed to our disgraceful killing of tens of thousands in iraq. A stain on the nation

 
At 4/03/2006 5:56 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

ducky said...
3. So what does that mean...they don't serve ham, pork and alcohol? Do they serve fried clams? If you get my drift.
Attribution please...not that it's a big deal.

lol...if they are serving alcohol beverages in their public schools, maybe they aren't so bad after all.

 
At 4/03/2006 5:58 PM, Blogger John Brown said...

Benito,

Don't fool yourself into believing you're 'dangerous'. You don't have the power to do a damn thing - you can't slow down the flow of Head Coffins in Iraq. You can't stop Comrade Hugo.

You're a chickenhawk - an ignorant propagandist for the thugs and brigands overseeing the last days of a dying empire.

That's it.

 
At 4/03/2006 7:26 PM, Blogger meredith said...

Ducky,

What you need to understand is the word NO!

A huge majority of people in Australia and I'm sure America are saying no to Islam, immigration and sharia.

Didn't you get taught that No means NO at preschool like the rest of us?

 
At 4/03/2006 8:10 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky: to answer your challenge to justify MY assertion that thousands of jews were killed and since I can't I'm a liar, lemme quote what I said:

"How about the hundreds of thousands of christians and jews murdered in the last few years because they dared resist and tell the truth?"

That says what it says, Ducky. Jews AND christians. For a complete breakdown of the 1000s of victims, go here. Scroll down to see the breakdown of each individual incident.

I don't lie to get my point across.

 
At 4/03/2006 9:19 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Brownie said Benito is,

"an ignorant propagandist for the thugs and brigands overseeing the last days of a dying empire"

Holy shit, the cuckoo bird is trying to pretend to a sparrow. Youre just a pansy Socialist who fights his revolution from the safety of his computer, ranting in support of theocracies like Iran and wanna bes like Al Qaeda.

You no longer take orders from Moscow because your bully masters have fallen, Your Maoist comrades are stocking up on Plasma TVs while kneeling before their capitalist Gods of Material wealth and your proxy armies of Eastern Europe are now America's most loyal allies.

You are a complete loser, sucka...

 
At 4/03/2006 9:40 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Good response Freedomnow.

I saw JB addressed me but I skipped the text in his post and ignored it.

Nothing he says is worth reading.

 
At 4/03/2006 9:58 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Liberals sure love ze Volksvagen huh??? Very funny...

 
At 4/03/2006 10:09 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Stereotypes usually have an element of truth in them.

 
At 4/04/2006 12:15 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Numerals..so-called Arabic, were actually developed in India John Brown.
But hey, let's not confuse people with the facts when misinformation works so much better.


JoBro's a leftist. You didn't actaully expect him to say something intelligent, did you?

Tsk tsk.

 
At 4/04/2006 1:34 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Why does "freedomnow" confuse socialists and Maoists.

That's my main beef with the right. You won't find a leftist confusing a syndicalist with an anarchist. Why must we suffer right wingers who are so sloppy with their nouns?

Anyway, today's discussion:

Libertarianism is conservative because it would create a market-based aristocracy that conflicts with democracy.


Are conservatives and libertarians anti-democratic and anti-American?

 
At 4/04/2006 1:36 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

I admit that the topic above is difficult, but beamish should have no trouble replying in a reserved tone.

He's going to demonstrate his copious knowledge of economic and political systems.

 
At 4/04/2006 2:30 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

"Are conservatives and libertarians anti-democratic and anti-American?"

Not a bad question Ducky. In fact, pretty damn good, actually.

They certainly would be "anti-American" by today's terms, but not by the founding father's terms.

How I long we could return to the time of limited government.

 
At 4/04/2006 2:39 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Well I only asked it because it's worth pondering. Tough issue.

I looked at your "death" site. Kinda flaky. Lot of muslim on muslim stuff and a lot of single victim incidents..."Man shot by islamofascist". Maybe, probably not and how does that go to motive. May have just been some guy screwing his wife.

 
At 4/04/2006 3:03 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

"Well I only asked it because it's worth pondering. Tough issue."

How do you view the original intent of limited government with control via state laws in relation to socialism?

I am assuming that as a modern day socialist, you would prefer that system instead of the original intent, or no?

I cannot help but admit that I would prefer the original system over socialism, despite its almost anarchic flavor.

Is the original intent out of date? An anachronism? As quaint as hoop skirts?

I don't think so. I think those founding fathers knew exactly the best way to ensure the freedom of man - an almost non-existent federal government.

 
At 4/04/2006 4:18 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Well mussolini, I'll sketch it out this way.

I suppose I am a Marxist because I do accept his analysis of laissez-faire as a last man standing, zero-sum game. Plenty of losers and taken to its conclusion, few winners. Marx was dead wrong about solutions but that doesn't invalidate his analysis.

Now in a zero-sum game "freedom" is pretty much just a feel good idea.

I favor viewing distribution and production as two unrelated facets of economic life (although they aren't exactly and there is a rub, yes) and I do not view owning something as particularly productive.

So I want a system of distribution that attends to basics like health care, housing, education and the other items that capitalism sucks at providing. That must be provided at a basic level as best we can.

Go on and buy as many plasma TVs , iPods and $200 sneakers as you like...once certain basics have been addressed.

 
At 4/04/2006 5:03 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky, under the original idea of this nation, the states had those abilities to direct how things were run and provided.

Don't you think 50 different states provides 50 different experiments on how to best socialize a society - instead of 1 behemoth entity that doesn almost nothing right?

I think the level of competition and learn-from-mistakes would provide the most efficient progress towards what we as an American people feel is a charitable way to harbor our civilians.

I think there is little difference between you and me when it comes to society, because I agree that those social programs are something beneficial to society as a whole.

I just think the federal government does it in the most inefficient way possible.

 
At 4/04/2006 6:39 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Well, Ducky, with dialectical materialism as my guide I can put a turd in a Hershey wrapper and call it a "candy bar" (or, in your case, "art"), but I'm not a dialectical materialist. There are no appreciable differences in result between all of the class-based and caste-based left-wingnut economic philosophies. Leftism in a candy wrapper is still a turd.

 
At 4/04/2006 7:29 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Ducky,

I can understand that you would wish to distance yourself from brownie.

No offense was meant...

 
At 4/04/2006 7:39 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

"Go on and buy as many plasma TVs , iPods and $200 sneakers as you like...once certain basics have been addressed."

I don't own any of those things... am I missing out on some essential Americana or something?

I know what you mean, though, Ducky - and I agree. I guess that's why you called me a socialist who has lost his way.

iPods... ech. I don't even own a wristwatch and you won't catch me with a damnable cell-phone.

 
At 4/04/2006 8:05 PM, Blogger nanc said...

something i don't get - someone please explain: muslims may not enter paradise if they come into contact with swine before or at the time of death - true. they call jews pigs. they blow up innocent jews and more than likely get jew all over them. has anybody told them? just curious. someone might want to tell them...

 
At 4/04/2006 8:07 PM, Blogger nanc said...

p.s. mussolini - you are missing out on NOTHING - i'm nearly fifty and have recently been made to carry a cell phone by my family! like i'm going to answer it!

btw - i visited your site and it is exquisite. thank you for sharing. we all have our stories.

 
At 4/04/2006 8:55 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Nanc, thanks! =)

The bomber-Jew comment goes especially good with wine. Cogent, for sure.

 
At 4/04/2006 9:23 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

My fiancee wants me to get a cell phone but so far I have successfully refused. That cell phone that can surf the internet for $600 a minute seems kinda cool though.

If God didn't want Americans to exploit cheap labor, he wouldn't have made other countries' people stupid and susceptible to leftist economic theories.

 
At 4/04/2006 9:42 PM, Blogger nanc said...

oh beamish - last week - all our cell phones started going off with the text message thingy - mind you, we're all in the same house and texting each other "love you's" and "goodnights" - ridiculous - you bet - especially since a half hour before we'd said our goodnights! my husband has two. i could have gone the rest of my life without one...probably...i don't know, i'll call you later on that!

 
At 4/04/2006 9:57 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
they call jews pigs. they blow up innocent jews and more than likely get jew all over them.

Guess that doesn't count during jihad.

 
At 4/04/2006 10:01 PM, Blogger nanc said...

hmmmmmm...

 
At 4/04/2006 10:04 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc & Mussolini,
My father got a cell phone at the ripe old age of 80. He was still an excellent driver, even at that advanced age (I, on the other hand, have to be very careful not to run into the carport poles). The cell phone gave Dad the confidence to keep doing his daily tasks which were out of range of the landline. His having the cell phone gave me some piece of mind as well.

Dad made a total of two calls with that cell phone: (1) to test it and (2) to call me to tell me that he had passed his eye exam for his driver's license. Otherwise, it remained fully charged and never used.

He wasn't much fond of the landline either. He felt that the telephone interfered with getting things done. His mother categorically refused to answer a phone. "Interferes with tending the sick" was her comment.

Mark Twain said that the phone was the instrument of the devil and kept his locked in a closet. Wonder what he'd have said about the computer? I think I know!

 
At 4/04/2006 10:07 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
many plasma TVs , iPods and $200 sneakers

Don't have any of those.

I did have to buy some expensive shoes, though--bunions need pampering.

In this house, we buy the necessities first, then see what we might want to do with the little remaining.

I guess that some would say we live a very anti-materialistic existence. But we do have the Mustang and our computers. I'd say that the Mustang is the only nod to status, which never has much mattered to us.

 
At 4/04/2006 10:10 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I see today's problems with capitalism as evidence that moral conviction is absent. This is the logical outcome of the me-me culture. The me-me culture poisons socialism as well.

 
At 4/04/2006 10:12 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Freedom Now,
My husband turns VW's into dune buggies.

 
At 4/04/2006 10:51 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky might not be able to get me on an iPod, but I do have status symbols... sort of.

I bought them because they were the best I could get.

1 of these:

G500

and 1 of these:

E500 4matic.

They cost me more than my two homes. =/

 
At 4/04/2006 11:27 PM, Blogger nanc said...

oh, now you've got me going mussolini, here's mine, only orange and i call it the "great pumpkin":

http://4wheeldrive.about.com/library/uc/ucgraphics/79%20fordThumb.gif

and, a gift from my husband's employer:

http://legeros.com/ralwake/galleryw/apparatus/wwfd-1997-chevy.jpg

total cost $1800. God is so good. i won't tell you what our 47 acres cost. life is good in arkansas.

 
At 4/05/2006 7:25 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I have never bought a brand-new vehicle. It galls me to see the depreciation which ensues as soon as one drives out of the dealer's lot.

But I just may have to treat myself one day.

 
At 4/05/2006 7:35 AM, Blogger nanc said...

i was never happier than the day we paid off our LAST brand new vehicle. don't do it aow - there are plenty of gently used vehicles out there that need a good home! well, unless you get it free or pay cash, the payments and insurance alone can support a family of two for five years.

 
At 4/05/2006 8:45 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
I won't go the payments route.

If I do buy a brand new car, I'll pay cash from a windfall I am waiting to hear about. The windfall may not come, of course. I should know within a few weeks.

 
At 4/05/2006 10:23 AM, Blogger nanc said...

i'll pray good things for you. did you get the photos i forwarded? i don't usually go for all that "good stuff will happen if you send these along" but i figured everybody needed to see them. good things happen to me when i least expect them.

 
At 4/05/2006 11:27 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Yeah... forget the payments. I bought mine outright, but in talking to the wife yesterday we thought that a better purchase might have been an older 60s or 70s Mercedes to restore.

Give life back to something that's been around and was built to last. You can always stick a modern engine in it for fuel efficiency.

 
At 4/05/2006 12:49 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

AOW,

If you buy new, you'll want a quality, American made car that has never been touched by a union laborer.

Try Toyota.

 
At 4/05/2006 1:18 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Ok, I'm guilty of the Ipod, but it was a tax-return treat...

Ducky, if I pay for my own insurance, buy my own food and put a roof over my own head, all of this without the help of a government hand-out, why can I not have a few expensive toys?

Socialism doesn't work because it breeds lazy, spoiled and demanding people who won't even attempt to care for themselves.

After awhile it's going to collapse. After all, who's going to be left to pay for such a fiasco; if you'd like a more modern example of the failure of socialism, you can point your view towards France.

 
At 4/05/2006 1:21 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Freedomnow, let's look at the facts:

1. The Danish boycott is primarily occurrring in the "usual suspect" states(Saudi, Egypt). The ones that will do anything to whip up anti-Western sensibilities to avoid having the populace look at their internal issues.

2. Don't use the word "riot" so loosely. if a mullah gets 50 followers to demonstrate you can't righfully call it a riot.


John Brown may have something to add....I'm convinced he's a refuge from FrontPage mag and fear the dread "Socrates" may have found us.

 
At 4/05/2006 1:45 PM, Blogger nanc said...

plucky - i don't think brownie would last a hotflash at fpm. honestly.

 
At 4/05/2006 2:31 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Ducky,

#1 is curious, do you agree that Muslim sentiment against the West is contrived?

In Iran and Syria you may be right about those govts, but Islamists used the riots against their govts in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I'm not arguing with your examples of Egypt and Saudi Arabia, their govts are scum, but I think Iran and Syria are better examples of this dynamic because they directly utilize Islamist terrorism for their own purposes. Yes, I know Syria is secular, but they still use Islamist extremism for the own purposes and slaughter any Islamists who challenge their authority.

As far as #2 goes, no sweat on that one. I only included riots in that tally (and you will note that participation was >10,000 in almost every instance). The criteria I used would be destroying public or private property that doesnt belong to them (not flags or effigies) and the attacking of police or bystanders.

 
At 4/05/2006 2:55 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

FNow, the short answer.....yes, I think the atagonism against the west has been largely contrived. That is one reason I despise Bush's actions...because we may be heading for a situation where we have truly hardened anti-western opinion.

As far as riots...yes, I agree there were riots but I believe they were in the states I call "the usual suspects".

 
At 4/05/2006 3:59 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Now that is an intelligent response. Brownie would be proud except you didnt include any Zionist or Christian plot in your arguments.

However, Bush has nothing to do with this situation. Rusdie was under sentence of death decades before my shrub became president. This is a problem that has existed for some time and needs to be confronted, not appeased.

Support for Palestinian terrorism has been the catalyst for Islamists. They have built and industry of intolerance and a ready justification for terrorism as a political tool.

 
At 4/05/2006 6:43 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
I haven't check that account yet. When did you send those pics?

 
At 4/05/2006 6:48 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
We usually drive our vehicles until rust claims the frame--or an accident renders the vehicle not repairable.

When my father had his garage (complete with hoist and grease pit), we were able to keep our vehicles in great mechanical shape. Many an engine rebuild there. But that property is long gone now. Too bad!

Dad was once consulted by Mercedes. My father was a master mechanic, not one of those r&r guys.

All of our vehicles, with the exception of the Mustang, are 10-20 years old. We have "spare" vehicles so that if one is under repair, we still have a way to get to work.

 
At 4/05/2006 6:48 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Freedom Now,
Nothing spontaneous happens in the Muslim world. Most orchestrations occur following Friday prayers.

 
At 4/05/2006 6:51 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Brooke,
if I pay for my own insurance, buy my own food and put a roof over my own head, all of this without the help of a government hand-out, why can I not have a few expensive toys?

My husband and I live on a shoestring budget. I'm not complaining. We appreciate the few toys we are able to afford.

Most people have so many toys that they don't appreciate them. Children are the same, and we see that fairly readily, but many adults don't see that same phenomenon in themselves.

 
At 4/05/2006 6:55 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
In today's WaPo, I saw Mitt Romney's proposal about MA health-insurance-for-all. I don't see how that proposal would work effectively and fairly; then again, I've had time to merely skim the article.

One of the biggest drains on our budget is our health insurance coverage. My husband is high-risk: diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cholesterolemia. And even with the coverage, the meds are outrageously expensive.

But my experience has been that any health care provided by the government comes at a high price, both in terms of dollars and quality.

 
At 4/05/2006 8:54 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky has a comfortable position there. I wonder if he is aware of it consciously?

He can claim this is all Bush-contrived. While a "conservative" is in office, he can claim the whole thing is contrived.

But he has an out if he's wrong: when a dem gets in office, and he finds out we were right, he can claim it was contrived but then hardened due to "conservative" hype. Then, he's never wrong.

It's a neat little no-lose position to be in and entirely disingenuous.

Ducky... I don't know what to say.

 
At 4/05/2006 9:21 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
Yes, Duck has his bases covered.

 
At 4/05/2006 9:59 PM, Blogger nanc said...

aow - i believe it was last night.

 
At 4/06/2006 3:46 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

AOW, the proposal was developed by the Massachusetts legislation. Governor Olympics doesn't do anything except stir up the homophobes.

I don't know how this is going to work out but we do have to move toward single payer and Massachusetts often kicks things off. We'll see.

So you have health insurance problems and expenses It's a bear and unfortunately not uncommon. I suggest you stick with the current system that allows insurance company's to take 20% of the top for "administration". That's a real winner. You suckers keep paying because you are such a bunch of pansies that the mere mention of "single payer" gets you in as big a tizzy as you'd be if you spotted a muslim in the neighborhood.

WAKE UP !!!!!

The rest of the developed world uses single payer. if our system is such great shakes...why don't they adopt it? probably because it sucks.

 
At 4/06/2006 4:04 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

"He can claim this is all Bush-contrived. While a "conservative" is in office, he can claim the whole thing is contrived."

That's a bad rap Mussolini. I will admit that I despise Chucklenuts and his administration but not because I feel he tore down all the Dems good work. No, rather he hasn't improved anything.
Nothing, nada.

Environmental policy - destructive

Education - No improvement and localities are stuck with unfunded mandates

Foreign Policy - He's turned us into a laughing stock.

Health care - Nothing but a big give away to pharma (and he couldn't have done this without Dem help). A disaster

Social Security - He got his head handed to him as he should have. Whatever your position...he didn't help.

Immigration - You happy with Chucklenuts' comprehensive policy

Economy - Worrisome...real wages declining, debt rising, balance of payments uncontrolled. Very shaky.

Security - How you digging Department of Homeland Security? Everything this guy touches turns to crap.


One of my goals that is always blocked is to understand what conservatives see in this assrack. Even on "family values" issues you are getting the crap beaten out of you. Gay marriage is here (as it should be), no change in abortion laws.

What do you see in this clown? I gots to know, really I gots to know.

 
At 4/06/2006 5:24 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
The rest of the developed world uses single payer.

Those whom I personally know in other countries aren't very happy with the quality of care, however.

 
At 4/06/2006 11:52 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Ducky,

I can give a rats ass about family values, but I am curious about how you think that the Republicans are getting beat in that department. No one is as mushy as Republicans on that issue.

Anyways, you mock Bush because abortion is legal. Well guess what? That is proof positive that Bush is not the fascist that the Left makes him out to be. All this B.S. about the Christian right trying to take over is nothing but the intolerance of Christianity. It is sickening and its all lies. The Left actually trys to appeal to anti-Christian bigotry to discredit the Republicans.

Remember how the Left said he destroyed our relationship with our allies? Well, how much friction between us is there now? Do you know why? Because Bush is a top notch diplomat.

The Vatican, France, Germany and all of Europe are on our side. They may have been pissed that we liberated Iraq and imprisoned a dictator but we got them to forgive alot of IRaq's debt. Their troops are in Afghanistan and they are on our side. Our fences are mended.

I cant believe that you would rag on the economy. Are you serious? Things are so good that the issues are inflation and a full employment market. Get real and take off the clown wig.

Since the 2004 election you guys have had a huge anti-Bush movement.

The Democrats, the environmentalists, Communists, Socialists, the Islamists, the press, hollywood, university activists, "anti-war"/human rights activists, musicians, poets, writers, artists, Soros and other billionaire philanthropists - are all doing their best to impeach and defeat Bush.

And what do you have to show for it? Cry me a river because there is nothing you can do to stop Bush power.

 
At 4/07/2006 10:48 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Everyone is on our side? We are virtually handling the combat functions alone in iraq and have failed to improve anyone's lot in the M.E. To say that we "liberated" Iraq is sheer silliness.

I think you underestimate some of the structural issues in the economy and get a little excited just because we are in an upswing of the business cycle. Still having trouble creating anything but retail and government jobs as this month's job report indicates. Consumer spending is quickly declining and we are holding our breathes hoping the real estate bubble just deflates.

Still very shaky.

I am interested in why you feel "everyone" is behind us? If you are trying to take solace that Europe is getting behind you and hating muslims I have to say that it is an immigration problem there not a holy war, much as we are trying to figure out our immigration issues.

 
At 4/07/2006 12:09 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

If this economy is very shaky then I'd hate to see a bad economy under your definition. Even during the 90s economic boom you would always hear doomsayers with their dire predictions. Ho hummm...

I am going to drop the sarcasm in our conversation and speak frankly to you Ducky. You said "I am interested in why you feel "everyone" is behind us"

I never said "everyone" is behind you. What I am saying is that you have a large base of support for your anti-Bush activism. Not everyone in Hollywood is against Bush. Bruce Willis and Gary Sinise come to mind when thinking about Bush supporters there, but let’s be realistic. There are vast amounts of anti-Republican propaganda coming from Hollywood. V is for Vendetta, Syriana, Fahrenheit 9/11, etc... How many movies show America in a good light dealing with these issues?

You have preconceived notions about my views and only read what you want to read from my comments. I know because I have the same problem. You have to recognize how your ideology colors your perception.

Another example of how you assume to know what I am thinking is the following statement, “If you are trying to take solace that Europe is getting behind you and hating muslims I have to say that it is an immigration problem there not a holy war, much as we are trying to figure out our immigration issues.”

As evidence for my position I clearly stated that Europe has their troops in Afghanistan and that our relationships with our Europe have weathered the storm of disagreements. I never mentioned the immigration problem or even alluded to it. It is obvious that was something that you were thinking about that disturbed you.

Maybe you brought up a good point. With the Muslim riots in Europe and the Cartoon riots in Islamic countries perhaps Europe is warming to the US. I had considered that Europe is beginning to see that Islamic intolerance is at a pathological level, but haven’t really considered the implications of that sentiment towards the relationship between the US and Europe…so I will drop the serious talk and end with a note of sarcasm.

Thanks for the heads up, G!!!

 
At 4/07/2006 5:17 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Freedom Now,
With the Muslim riots in Europe and the Cartoon riots in Islamic countries perhaps Europe is warming to the US.

I think you have a point there.

We don't hear much in the msm about Spain these days. However, I read a few weeks back that Muslims recently had fits about Los Reyes Catolicos celebrations, which have been held in portions of Spain since the 16th Century. Those objections have angered a great many of those indigenous to Spain.

I just heard, first hand, that all is not quiet there; law enforcement is starting to use some of the techniques employed by Franco's Guardia Civil. Plenty of wilderness in Spain to bury the bodies of nabbed immigrants flooding in from the south. I haven't yet heard about any problems in the northern part, which borders France.

 
At 4/07/2006 6:29 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

From this source, with many internal links:

Mauritania, a country in West Africa far from Europe, has become the latest boundary for desperate would-be immigrants. They travel by boat for three days and nights to cover the 500 miles from Mauritania's long coastline to the Canary Islands, which is Spanish soil. Once in the Canaries, the whole of Europe lies before them....

 
At 4/08/2006 2:45 AM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

In the US we assimilate our immigrants after one generation. Europe just cant get it together.

Our racist slave owner past doesnt get in the way because every country has a racist slave owner past.

Including Africa, Asia and America. I mean you got the Aztecs, Aryans, Caliphs, imperial Chinese, etc...

Despite all of their economic success at the height of their power they didnt have immigration problems. In most cases immigrants werent welcome at all.

 

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