Monday, May 15, 2006

About The Immigration Bill

Read this article from the May 15, 2006 edition of the Washington Times. Your thoughts?

129 Comments:

At 5/15/2006 10:21 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

George should be a smash hit tonight. He'll mumble something about border enforcement and deploy a temporary presence.

His base may even realize he's powdering their butt.

Nothing changes.

 
At 5/15/2006 10:22 AM, Blogger Mike's America said...

Ugh! That article raises some very troubling questions.

I received a response to my earlier letter to Senator Graham in which I raised the issue: what do you do with all the illegals who do NOT pay the fines, learn English, get to the back of the line for citizenship?

I didn't get an answer to that.

It might make some sense to let more immigrants come in. But under what conditions? I am not opposed to some controlled way to bring laborers in to pick lettuce as long as they do not bring their families in and start draining away precious resources for education and healthcare.

The scenario this article describes might be acceptable if it were matched by a SERIOUS border shutdown AND SERIOUS employment enforcement and SERIOUS efforts to send back any illegal who did not meet the conditions required in the bill.

As I said in my letter to Senator Graham, I have grave concerns about legitimizing a new underclass of unacculturated foreigners who have no intention of becoming citizens, or of obeying even the laws requiring driver's licenses and automobile insurance.

I think it is an example of bipartisan delusion and stupidity to think that the majority of these people have any desire to become Americans.

 
At 5/15/2006 10:23 AM, Blogger Mike's America said...

P.S. Did you have an update on the United 93 memorial that I missed? Please drop me a link at Mike's America if you do.

 
At 5/15/2006 11:33 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

"I am not opposed to some controlled way to bring laborers in to pick lettuce as long as they do not bring their families in and start draining away precious resources for education and healthcare."

So as long as you benefit, everything is fine but if someone picking your food needs medical care...uh-uh.

So they ain't bring the slaves in through Charleston Bay any longer, eh?

You deserve a chump like Graham.

 
At 5/15/2006 12:30 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

So what's it going to be folks. More of the same or is mike's america going to pick his own vegetables?

We know the answer.

 
At 5/15/2006 12:47 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

"All told, the Hagel-Martinez bill would increase the annual flow of legal immigrants into the U.S. to more than 2 million from roughly 1 million today, scholars and analysts say". ..what on God green Earth could they possibly be thinking with this ahem logic AOW!!!

 
At 5/15/2006 1:06 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Thinking that with that many low wage illegals around, the regular folks aren't going to get too uppity about demanding health care benefits and stuff.

 
At 5/15/2006 1:47 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

...and somehow right wing Americans feel more "safe" giving a work permit to a barely litterate Carlos Gonzalez than to a neuro-surgeon named Aisha Abdul-Baki.

 
At 5/15/2006 2:41 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Here's one of today's newsclips from Mike's America (South Carolina).Can their policy on immigration be more enlightened?
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(Cayce) - Inside the walls of Brookland-Cayce High School, you expect students to be treated equally. But a viewer tip led News19 online where a teacher's comments left us asking questions.

"These sorts of things are going to upset people, but the truth can be very upsetting," said Brookland-Cayce High School teacher Winston McCuen.

That truth, at least according to McCuen, is that black people are inferior to whites.

"Intellectually, yes they are," said McCuen. "This has been confirmed over and over, and this is a generalization. Again, there are some blacks who are more intelligent than individual whites. But as a rule, that is true. I-Q tests prove it over, and over and over."

 
At 5/15/2006 3:12 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

mike's america deleted his post. Couldn't handle criticism.

 
At 5/15/2006 3:35 PM, Blogger F.B. Jones said...

Everytime I email a sentor. I get a letter back that is the same as the time before. Both of the are Republicans. My rep. however is a dem. He sent me an actual response. He voted for the houses version. This is were being an Ind. comes in handy.

 
At 5/15/2006 3:51 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Ducky, I am FULLY aware that Bush is trying to "powder my butt," and it HACKS me off.

I am against ALL illegal immigration, no matter where it comes from.

It stands to reason that the lion's share of the "lettuce picking" is done by illegals; it's not like they have to submit a W-2 to get that job! I think it's horrible that the President would have the audacity to stand in front of the public and say that we need "migrant workers" to do the work Americans won't! As far as I'm concerned, if you just "won't" work, you can starve! And if that means that the cost of a frickin' head of lettuce goes up a buck or two, FINE. I've got a backyard; I can grow a garden if I need to.

What's up with the black/white intellegence thing? Public schools usually do NOT IQ test, and even if they did Im sure it would show intellegence on an individual, not racial basis.

 
At 5/15/2006 3:53 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

I wanted an amendment to that bill that would allow for the denaturalization of Marxists like a certain poultry. Marxists have a proven record of espionage and subversion in this country. Lets see if the Duck understands probable cause for government scruitiny. The amount of espionage commited by liberterians is zero.

 
At 5/15/2006 3:54 PM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

One phrase in the article noted it was a 614-page bill. It obviously hides much harm. Kill it. I can write an appropriate immigration reform bill in less than one page. Our whole constitution doesn’t take 614 pages! If the average citizen can’t read it and understand it on the bus ride home from work, it shouldn’t be passed.

The rest of the article just exposes the major holes. This bill is Swiss cheese without the cheese. It’s all holes.

 
At 5/15/2006 4:05 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

brooke, you do know that Cesar Chavez was also very anti illegal immigration.

He wanted to organize farm workers and found that illegal workers destroyed a lot of his progress. Yes those workers submitted W-2s and worked harder than you or I.

 
At 5/15/2006 4:09 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

 
At 5/15/2006 5:10 PM, Blogger nanc said...

anybody tried a.c. today? blog has gone missing.

 
At 5/15/2006 5:35 PM, Blogger City Troll said...

Duck you have no concept of reality, but we have known that for a very long time.

As for Mikes America not being able to handle criticism as usual your wrong he gets a whole slew of moonbats over there on a regular basis. Why don't you post over there once in awhile intsead of talking nonsense as usual.

As for the cost and damage that our current immigration policy stands it IS bankrupting several states MOSTLY from ILLEGALS.

The labor cost of any fruit/vegitable that is picked is 10% of the cost when it reaches market if they were to double the wage they are paying ILLEGALS now AMERICANS would pick them Make it part of the get off welfare job programs. The raise in cost would be 10% higher than what you pay for an apple now. So instead of $1 you would pay $1.10

Build a wall on the Border and SHOOT anyone that trys to BREAK INTO the country.

Increasing the flow of NON-Educated and NON-Skilled workers entering Legally while granting AMNESTY to the criminals that are already here creats MORE problems and solves NOTHING

 
At 5/15/2006 5:38 PM, Blogger City Troll said...

PS Duck

Since you are so brilliant why don't you create your own blog and dazzle us with it.

I may call myself The Troll but in reality thats all you are!

 
At 5/15/2006 5:53 PM, Blogger Mike's America said...

Ducky:

Trying for a Nobel Prize in the new category: Blog Fool?

P.S. I can GROW and PICK all my vegetables.

 
At 5/15/2006 6:15 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

As I said before, the approach to immigration by the US authorities simply amazes me.

 
At 5/15/2006 6:17 PM, Anonymous themerrywidow said...

Been there, done that! About to do it again. Even had chickens for the eggs! And your point is Ducky? Illegal is against the law, period! Illegal aliens according to the law are to be detained then deported! No new bills necessary, just enforce what we have. No problem.
Nanc- do you still have your little guest? What a hoot, glad you had stuff on hand to tide you over.

tmw

 
At 5/15/2006 7:06 PM, Blogger City Troll said...

Duck always gices you just what you would expect from an Artiste from Massachusets LOL

 
At 5/15/2006 7:36 PM, Blogger FLORIAN said...

Makes me want to puke!

 
At 5/15/2006 7:46 PM, Blogger FLORIAN said...

Hey Plucky Duck! I see you're spouting off your usual non-sense about illegals and health care. As if these vermin have a right to free health care and gov't benefits? Most Mexicans can't even read in their own ugly hick version of Spanish--much less English. It's good to know they have an ally like you. One willing to sell his expensive artwork for their "cause" I'm sure (since you're such a good Samaritin).
Oh and Mexican's aren't generally hard workers either. That's a gringo stereotype. They have no choice after the gov't stopped giving large free handouts in the late 1960's. Miraculously, it worked! Maybe we ought to try it here with the ingrates on welfare too--bet they'd be flippin' burgers in a heartbeat. Oh and BTW I worked in Guadalajara one summer back in 1992 (I was 15 years old at the time) as a carpet cleaner. Made $30 a week! It sure made me realise never to bad mouth my country ever again.

 
At 5/15/2006 8:20 PM, Blogger conservativekat said...

I agree with the puking. lol

 
At 5/15/2006 9:29 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I'm damned near sick of this "immigration reform" garbage.

ANNEX MEXICO! The Texas National Guard could do it in a week.

 
At 5/15/2006 9:35 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Having trouble with my connection. Back when my connection is properly restored and my schedule allows.

 
At 5/16/2006 12:36 AM, Blogger kevin said...

Yeah duck, where's your blog?

 
At 5/16/2006 3:40 AM, Blogger Mark said...

So Bush made a televised address to the nation. About time, too!

Unfortunately, however, it seems to me that he has fudged the issue. He is trying to appeal to both sides at the same time. It's not going to work. Moreover, it shows his weakness as a president. The man has become a lame duck!

He spoke about the vast majority of illegal immigrants as being decent people and "strong in their faith". What the hell has the latter got to do with it? They are ILLEGAL immigrants! And that's the long and the short of it. Being people of faith doesn't make it right. In fact, if they were truly people of faith, then they would have been too law-abiding to cross the border in the first place!

President Bush, I am sorry to say, allows his belief in God to blur his vision. What's he trying to do with the States? Turn it into a Christian theocracy to act as a counterbalance to Iran, or what?

I used to be a big fan of Bush's. Now I see him for what he truly is: A weak president!

If he can't secure your borders, what hope do we have of his being able to deal with Islam. I suppose he says to himself all is right with that death cult, too, because they are people of faith!

Such balderdash! I'm beginning to wonder if this man's brain has been scrambled, rather like the eggs I sometiomes eat for breakfast!

 
At 5/16/2006 9:39 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Have Mike's posts disappeared, or is Blogger burping?

 
At 5/16/2006 9:41 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
you do know that Cesar Chavez was also very anti illegal immigration.

He wanted to organize farm workers


Some specifics on that? Links, if possible.

 
At 5/16/2006 9:42 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Jason,
614 pages is a lot of pages. Is it typical for Congress to have such hypergraphia?

I wonder what the record is for a bill's number of pages?

 
At 5/16/2006 9:47 AM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

AoW- It's all in the minutia! Congress has to "what if" it to death, mainly because they and the country in general have lost anything to do with common sense! Throw out G*D and morality, whallah- anything can and will go!
Blech!

tmw

 
At 5/16/2006 9:55 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Florian's trying to convince us he speaks Castilian spanish. Well it is nice to see some of the racist boogers come out.

Quite an impotent crew here. meanwhile the stream of illegals will continue and wages will continue to be depressed.

Just waiting for the suckers to figure out the game.

 
At 5/16/2006 10:04 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak,
I wanted an amendment to that bill that would allow for the denaturalization of Marxists

I've heard you mention this before. Not happening, of course.

 
At 5/16/2006 10:37 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Fact: American citizens, including naturalized citizens and legal immigrants, are getting fed up with illegal immigration. Any number of polls substatiates this frustration.

Fact: Earlier this month in the local election in Herndon, Virginia, the mayor and two councilmen who supported the taxpayer-funded center for day laborers got voted out of office.

GWB's speech last night is a response to his losing a large portion of his base.

IMO, seal the southern border first; then worry about the rest of the reform. Besides, we already have the laws in place to deal with illegal invaders; those laws are not being enforced, especially with regard to employers. I don't buy GWB's line that many employers don't know they're hiring illegals.

Off to work now.

 
At 5/16/2006 11:19 AM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Its amazing how the Left isnt supportive of the President when he defies his conservative base and tries to compromise on the immigration issue.

They are not interested in the best interests of illegal aliens, their sole interest is to exploit them for political gain.

You guys are being suckered by people like Ducky that are trying to split conservatives the way the right split in Israel.

Ducky does not have your best interests in mind. If you objectively look at what he is saying his motives are painfully obvious.

He isnt trying to help you by stating that Bush is betraying his base.

 
At 5/16/2006 12:44 PM, Blogger Mark said...

Not provocative enough? Try this one: President Bush is selling America down the river!

 
At 5/16/2006 1:13 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Mr. Ducky said...
...and somehow right wing Americans feel more "safe" giving a work permit to a barely litterate Carlos Gonzalez than to a neuro-surgeon named Aisha Abdul-Baki.

It wouldn't be so funny if it wasn't true... no way will I let some Pakistani mess around in my brain.

 
At 5/16/2006 1:14 PM, Blogger Storm said...

As usual after reading a thread with Mr. Ducky in it, I come to the conclusion--you need therapy.

Mr. Ducky are you so dilusional that you actual believe what you post or are you just trying to get a rise out of us?

AOW is right on. Illegally are backrupting government budgets. It is not that we do not want "our lettuce" pickers to not have medical care but the reality is because they are not part of the medical care system, the vast bulk of their services cost more ie ER vs doctor's office. Then we have the problem of ID theft for employment. Enforcement is virtually non-existent.

AOW is right on this issue is the defining issue for 2006 and 2008 and we conservatives are pissed.

Finally the idea we are getting a bargain with cheap labor is crap. Consider just for instance the millions perhaps billions they send back to their origin countries every year.

Ducky save your inflamatory rhetoric we want solutions not some crap referencing Slavery from the 1700 hundreds.

 
At 5/16/2006 2:06 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

storm, insurance companies are taking twenty percent of the top for administration while it only costs the government 4 percent to administer medicare.

I suppose you are fine with the twenty percent surcharge because the alternative is a "socialist" single payer system? The insurance companies are doing far more to jack up health costs, along with drug company shakedowns, than anything migrants are doing.

You aren't getting any bargain with cheap labor. That's what "you" idiots don't understand. "You" are working and middle class and "you" are going to get a plank shoved up your butt. You serve capital and you will have to suffer a great deal more, unfortunatey, before you wise up.

You got chumped on Iraq, education, immigration, taxation .... you suckers may be too stupid to learn. i hope not.

 
At 5/16/2006 2:58 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

With Ducky all roads lead to successful Communist utopias.

It has been a smashing success in Russia, China, Cambodia and many other paradise-like countries. Try it, you'll like it.

...When someone calls you an idiot over and over, its always wise to take any advice from that person with a large grain of salt.

 
At 5/16/2006 6:55 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Storm,
It's been a long time since you've visited.

BTW, have you seen the latest edition of Reader's Digest? One of the cover stories is "ID Thieves' New Tricks: How to Stop Them."

 
At 5/16/2006 7:02 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
The insurance companies are doing far more to jack up health costs, along with drug company shakedowns, than anything migrants are doing.

You're right about the exorbitant administrative costs. My husband and I had some COBRA coverage years ago and found out all about those costs, just in time for my husband's neurosurgery. However, I still contend that migrants also jack up costs. I'm dealing with that right now as a result of the car accident last year; I was rear-ended by an immigrant who had dropped his commercial coverage without telling the cab company for which he drove. So what can I do? Go after my own company--I have no choice and am now in the process of finding out if my injury is permanent; my injury is quite debilitating--that's why I'm in the blogosphere so much. Now that I've taken a turn for the worse, as of May 5, I'll be battling the insurance injury, and doing battle requires an attorney as we use the "underinsured/uninsured motorist" clause. All of us with car insurance see that particular clause cost more, on almost a yearly basis.

Somewhere there must be data as to the hidden costs of illegal immigrants. Perhaps I'll have time this summer to research that topic.

 
At 5/16/2006 7:03 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Freedom Now,
When someone calls you an idiot over and over, its always wise to take any advice from that person with a large grain of salt.

Duck is into playing the troll, so I guess that calling everyone besides himself stupid is part of the role he plays. It does get weary, however. **Sigh**

 
At 5/16/2006 7:05 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Storm,
Last year, when the flap about the Herndon Day Laborer Center was going on, the Democrats made a huge deal as to how the issue would NOT impact the elections this year. The Dems were way off on that one. Herndon, by all stats, should have re-elected the incumbent Dems--didn't happen.

 
At 5/16/2006 7:07 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mark,
I've always been suspicious of politicians and with very few exceptions. GWB just reinforced my skepticism. Are we seeing the "real" GWB during this, his second term? I think so!

Are there any statesmen in either party?

 
At 5/16/2006 7:13 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Florian,
You're right: among the various Latinos, Mexican men have the bad reputation as to work ethic. I saw this reflected back in college. I majored in Spanish and, as a rule, those from Latin American countries other than Mexico didn't have much respect for Mexicans. We had one professor from Mexico, and he was very erudite and an expert in the civilization/history of Spain. Still, the rest of the Spanish department more or less avoided him. The red-headed, green-eyed Cuban professor particularly disliked him. Quite a phenomenon to watch.

 
At 5/17/2006 12:10 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

There is no "immigration reform."

Doesn't anyone see that? This is another amnesty.

The 6000 troops just sound good, that's all. "Troops to the border!" You get the idea that they'll be repelling the invasion that's taking place.

The army on the border has orders to do nothing, detain no one, arrest no one, and otherwise perform no assistance. Already some ass-nugget politician is whining that our forces will be "too stretched" across America while these 6000 do ... nothing.

It's all bullshit.

It's nothing but a sound bite: "I deployed the army to the border."

It has no balls, no guts, no substance, and no honesty. This is a kool-aid ploy to mesmerize the voter base into thinking something is being done.

The media is positively gushing over the army issue and this latest round of compromise that removed all security measures. You know what you have when there are no security measures? Talk about how and when to grant total amnesty.

Note how when talking amnesty it's always 10 million illegals? But when it comes to deporting, the media and the politicians are suddenly quoting more accurate figures this way: "can't deport 30 million people."

We've had 8-10 million illegals for every year from 1987 til now. Almost 20 years, and each year the "official" tally is 1-2 million new illegals every year.

But we still have the same amount as 1987?

Are we still believing the lies?

Drink some more F-ING kool aid. The voter is getting screwed. Bend over and make it easier, while you're at it. The government doesn't like to waste time screwing you.

 
At 5/17/2006 12:20 AM, Blogger City Troll said...

Duck
"Well it is nice to see some of the racist boogers come out."

Your the only RACIST Here. You sufer from liberal guilt and lack of ability to create your own forum to express your nonsencicle views. Go listen to some folk music and paint a selfportrait

 
At 5/17/2006 8:25 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

I really hate to be a fly in the butter, especially since I am a real conservative, but Ducky worked you all over in this thread and didn't even have to try.

 
At 5/17/2006 8:55 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
There is no "immigration reform."

Doesn't anyone see that? This is another amnesty.


Using the National Guard at the border is just a ploy to try to keep the Republicans' conservative base from abandoning the Party in the upcoming election.

 
At 5/17/2006 8:58 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Another article to read.

Hat-tip to Mike's America.

 
At 5/17/2006 9:15 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Using the National Guard at the border is just a ploy to try to keep the Republicans' conservative base from abandoning the Party in the upcoming election.

What genius of mentally challenged shoe fungi thought that transparent and blatant sound bites with no substance would satisfy the electorate?

I am becoming more and more angry that I am expected to swallow the sound-bite koolaid when the details of the issues have no correlation to the sound bite!

I can hear the republican strategists now: "just throw any old lie out there that polls well and we'll go ahead an do whatever we want. Come election time, we can play the tired old fear cliche about the danger of the democratic opponent being elected."

I have very strong words for the two-party system. However, the first step on the road to freedom is to realize that there are not two parties in America. The democratic and republican parties are two sides to the same coin.

Time for a different coin. Something worth more than the corroded penny we're desperately hanging onto.

 
At 5/17/2006 11:29 AM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

You can say that again! That's why I'm no longer a member of one of them. I didn't even watch because I'm tired of being lied to.

 
At 5/17/2006 12:08 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

So Libertarians or Democrats are more truthful?

 
At 5/17/2006 12:31 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Unless a Libertarian or Constitution party candidate is stealth-running on one of the "major" tickets (major screw-job parties), I wouldn't trust any of them.

Notice how both parties come together on issue like trade agreements and immigration policy - the things that hurt the most?

Libertarians can run the gamut of goofiness, though. Many are good, some are Sandal-wearin' Volk-bus driving hippie freaks who think we should be eating tree-bark and howling naked at the stars.

Gotta be careful and informed when you vote.

 
At 5/17/2006 12:32 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

But a vote for anybody other than the dems or repubs is in the national interest.

 
At 5/17/2006 1:14 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Then in the end you are voting for the Democrats.

Cheers

 
At 5/17/2006 1:22 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Come on mussolini, Libertarians are just epubs who smoke dope.

 
At 5/17/2006 1:22 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Repubs. Typo.

 
At 5/17/2006 1:37 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Excuse me! I don't smoke period! And I certainly wouldn't suggest running around naked, humans look better clothed! I may howl at my teens, nor do we eat tree bark! I'm just tired of lies and manipulation! Bugging AoW and Nanc are much more fun.

tmw

 
At 5/17/2006 1:38 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Sorry, that's is not are.

tmw

 
At 5/17/2006 1:47 PM, Blogger Storm said...

Mussolini

I never said the recent so called immigration bill was good. It is clearly pandering to the conservative base. As for the description that Duck walked all over us I disagree frankly his response is little more than gibberrish except for the part where he mentions that the middle class is getting it taken to them but them again we always do.

Frankly Ducky and here is the thing since there is no border you are free to go to one of these communist countries you so value.

As for the so called comparison of profit levels I say Bull. The accounting used by government offices would make an Enron executive blush. Maybe you could put some stock in the total numbers but there are some many funds and over schemes that finding the true cost of any one program would probably cause one to have a permanent mental injury.

I do not care what profit a company makes. Profit is the wages of shareholdres and none of my damn business unless I happen to be a stockholder.

 
At 5/17/2006 1:51 PM, Blogger Storm said...

AOW

My work is somewhat affected by the calendar.

This year I experienced a huge spike in cases involving persons of questionable immigration status using legal persons social security numbers for employment.

But I guess should not complain as Ducky suggests after all many others are picking my lettuce at a discounted price.

 
At 5/17/2006 2:35 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

The Libertarian Part platform is a good one - except for immigration, and not all Libertarians ascribe to the immigration position.

I prefer Constitution Party.

 
At 5/17/2006 2:54 PM, Blogger Storm said...

Mussolini

Mostly in theory I agree with the generally concept of the Libertarian Party however the position on legalizing drugs is misguided at best. Unfortunately most people turn to crime to finance their drug habits. I know the b.s. arguement will if it was legal to which I say bunk. The problem is most people can function with a hangover but try to operate heavy equipment or reason through a problem after using crack. No one can that is why these folks can not hold down a job that plus being stoned for 12 or more hours cuts into a 40 hour a week job.

There are other concerns but in its simplest form I see our drug laws as preventive measures.

 
At 5/17/2006 3:41 PM, Blogger kev said...

daffy, have you not noticed that not everyone always agrees with our President, as is the case here? But it seems you ALWAYS agree with the other side, no matter what the issue. There are no surprises from you, no intelligent talking points, just your silly name-calling and hate-filled leftist rhetoric. People keep calling this an immigration problem, but in fact it is an illegal entry problem. Immigrants of the past came to this country legally, learned our language, and assimilated themselves into the ways of our country, and became useful CITIZENS, who contributed. jimmy the peanut farmer, no doubt one of daffy's heroes, helped our country some years ago when he accepted "immigrants" from that democratic stronghold, cuba. We got their murderers, gang members, their insane, their diseased, and general misfits, some of whom we're still dealing with. I agree with those who propose building a strong wall between us and Mexico, and accepting only those who come here through the legal process from any country. Funny, Canadians aren't building drug tunnels and the Mounties aren't smuggling drugs and immigrants across the border. I wonder why.

 
At 5/17/2006 4:53 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

kev, yes I am sometimes surprised that President Chucklenuts can be wrong on every issue.

Do you favor border security as an anti-terrorist measure? Then why aren't you getting serious about Canada, a country with a large integrated muslim population. But you know for sure there is no illicit traffic. What a maroon.

The fact that you mention only Mexico gives insight into a certain shallow racist thinking.

 
At 5/17/2006 5:09 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Here goes the race card again. Dont you have any original thoughts or are you just a tool?

 
At 5/17/2006 8:52 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
What genius of mentally challenged shoe fungi thought that transparent and blatant sound bites with no substance would satisfy the electorate?

Does the electorate think, or just vote the party line?

 
At 5/17/2006 8:53 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Freedom Now,
Then in the end you are voting for the Democrats.

Therein lies the problem with a third Party.

 
At 5/17/2006 10:05 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

I try to keep my eye on the ball while Ducky says,

"look over here, its a racist..."

-or-

"Bush betrayed his base, what are you going to do about it?"

 
At 5/17/2006 11:41 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

The problem with a third party is that you elect democrats?

Hey, I may villify the other side from time to time, but Americans aren't all Hollywood idiots.

There's plenty red dog democrats who are disgusted with the Deans and Pelosis.

Assuming every democrat would vote party line in jack-booted lockstep like the Hollywood Poof-Ass Poodle-Humpers is insulting to American intelligence.

 
At 5/18/2006 8:12 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

In fact, I might add:

Then in the end you are voting for the Democrats.

Therein lies the problem with a third Party.


Therein lies the trap the two-party system has led you to believe. When you hear politicians echoing it, you're in deluded group-think and not reality.

Think like that and you've fallen for their lemming trap.

I am shamed that so many Americans are extorted for their votes.

 
At 5/18/2006 8:21 AM, Blogger Storm said...

As usually Mr. Ducky goes to the race card and tries to oversimplify a complicated issue.

You like Walt Disney movies don't you.

You charge of racism falls flatter than a Howard Dean campaign.

I took it upon myself to learn Spanish so I could help them.

Do you even read anything outside of the New York Times? The border towns with Mexico are hot spots of criminal activity as drugs and guns move back and forth freely.

The economic impact is another facet. But equally important is do borders matter?

While we are no the topic of President bashing. I am going to start a braclet WDCD--What Did Clinton Do. What did Clinton do as this problem grew? Do you mean to try to convince me this only started 6 years ago. Oh wait Clinton passed NAFTA which I am sure had no effect on immigration.

 
At 5/18/2006 8:37 AM, Blogger City Troll said...

Mussolini...

All that counts is that the ELECTED Democrats DO vote in lockstep no matter what the rhetoric on the local level is the the Dems in Congress are pawns to their leadership...

As for Daffy Duck wiping the floor with everyone if you consider repeated calls that everyone is a racist and Bush or chucklenuits as he likes to call him is always wrong as a winning argument then my opinion of YOUR judgement has gone down a notch.

 
At 5/18/2006 10:17 AM, Blogger Mark said...

Mr Ducky:

I'm having trouble loading your avatar today. Everone else's is loading, but yours is not. Has your link broken, perhaps? I thought I should let you know.

 
At 5/18/2006 10:21 AM, Blogger kev said...

Mussolini, I agree with a lot of what you say, but in your one post, where you indicate we've fallen into the lemming trap, I strongly disagree. I offer the time when Ross Perot, running as a third party candidate, helped elect bill clinton. Whether we like it or not, and whether it's right or not, at this time a third party candidate takes votes from one of the other two, and because the third party is usually libertarian, this usually attracts more conservatives than democrats, so in reality, it does help elect democrats. I think that several elections in which third party candidates run could possible change this, but at this critical time in our history, I personally don't want to risk electing any liberal democrats who think like a harry reid or a nancy pelosi, or who don't think as al gore deosn't think, or who will be a traitor as john kerry was, you know what I mean. And City Troll is absolutely right. The dem's do vote, think and speak in lockstep.

 
At 5/18/2006 12:18 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Well Kev, good to see that you understand the bind the "genius of the founding fathers" (LMFAO) has created. We seem to be stuck with de facto two party system and corporate money is our master.

In one of his few lucid momnets, Beamish notes that we must deal with businesses hiring illegals if we are going to deal with this issue. However, businesses are juicing the political parties so you will get amnesty, a fence ... all kinds of crap except a solution.

Now we might make some progress with campaign finance reform but then you have Rush "Talent on Loan from Synthetic Morphine" Limbaugh whining some crap about "corporate free speech" and you'll have the Randoid dweebs right in there with him. Now in fact with Roberts and Alito on the bench it will probably be difficult if not impossible to get a judgement that goes against the interest of corporations.

Meanwhile we'll listen to the dopes go on about "activist judges" because gays can marry in Massachusetts while they block reform on truly critical issues.

Someone here noted that conservatives are very angry about this. I will note that they are not angry enough to start thinking clearly and realizing they are constantly being chumped.

 
At 5/18/2006 12:29 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Both City Troll and Kev are kool-aid drinkers.

Your responsibility as citizens has been sold out to career politicians who demand you think the way you do.

Perot was on track to win until he made an ass of himself by pulling out of the race to re-enter later. BAD EXAMPLE.

NO CHANGE will occur until you lemmings break your silly self-imposed fear of "electing the enemy."

Don't you F-ING get it? They're all the same. CLINTON was more "conservative" than Bush. You can't get the stupid partisan bullshit game out of your skull long enough to realize the flavor of koolaid you're drinking is identical to the democratic one.

The idea that dems vote in lockstep shows either your ignorance or your adherence to the stupid partisan rhetoric that the politicans desperately need to keep you playing. Either way, you're deluded.

Ducky mopped up the opposition in his posts before my ackowledgment. He did not use the racism bait til after. Either be honest or admit you just don't like facing the truth.

His racism bait was cheap. Hazarding a guess, I would say he was using it as a tool to steer security discussion to include the northern border. It's a troll tactic, and a good one in a serious forum.

A more serious point of debate might have been to suggest that we're ignoring the northern border. Counterpoint would be to suggest the southern border is the one being swarmed by millions, not the Canadian. This would have gone back and forth and around and around.

With one insult, he has shocked you with extremism into considering the northern border for a total security measure.

Of course, if I'm wrong, Ducky will pull a Kruschev, banging his shoe around and spitting something about burying me.

 
At 5/18/2006 12:57 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Well mussolini, if we are concerned about individuals with bad intentions coming in I think we agree that the Canadian border will be where it is most likely to happen. A country with a well established muslim population may hold persons of interest.

I don't know if I'd call Clinton more conservative than Bush but it is refreshing that someone realizes he was a centrist at most. I do laugh at folks who think Hillary is liberal. Just another indication that thought is not being encouraged in theses United States of America.

Yes sir mussolini, time for a wakeup call. I do wish that the false R/D dichotomy can be exposed so that we can make a little progress. Gotta get the money out of the system first.

 
At 5/18/2006 1:14 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

This conversation is shaping up quite nicely:

Weve got Ducky saying that the two party system doesnt work. I guess the one party system is superior, comrade.

Basically Ducky says you are chumps and should trust his good judgement that everything is a mess. Well, while I am enjoying this economy I will be more than happy to humor his rhetoric that things are wildly out of control and everything is falling apart.

However, maybe I should contemplate applying for refugee status to Ducky's Cuban paradise where I can enjoy true prosperity and political stability.

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Mussolini says,

"Your responsibility as citizens has been sold out to career politicians who demand you think the way you do."

I am sorry that you cant think for yourself. That is really too bad. If a politician is kicking down your door and forcing you to support him then give me your address and I come down there with a baseball bat and help you out.

Therein lies the trap the two-party system has led you to believe. When you hear politicians echoing it, you're in deluded group-think and not reality.

This country is at war. Not many people realize it, but we are. The Republicans support the war and the Dems dont. No matter how many Nolan Charts you can pull out of your ass, this fact still holds true.

The Dems and their Leftist allies are doing everything they can to divide the Pro-Iraqi Liberation camp. They are using this issue in an attempt to divide support for the rehabilitation of Iraq because their efforts to oppose the US military presence there is a failure.

I am not a sucker if my goals are the same as the people I support and I am not a chump for the Dems and leftwing activists who hate my country. When the Republican party changes its tune and says we should abandon Iraq to the Baathists and Al Qaeda then I will support someone else.

 
At 5/18/2006 1:26 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Dear, dear, dear Freedomnow...you miss an important point. For the two party system to work you must have two distinct parties. Got it?

Let's take an issue that really energizes you...immigration. Do you wonder why there has been no progress on this matter for 25 years? Dem or Repub, doesn't matter. No progress.

meanwhile they'll powder your ass with a flag burning amendment or something of no consequence while you get robbed blind. Wake up call !!!!!

 
At 5/18/2006 1:45 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Ducky,

It is your political bias that prevents you from seeing the difference between the two parties.

The reason that immigration has been a problem is because of the rule of supply and demand. A long and barren border makes it too easy to get across.

Even if a Communist ruled this country we would have the same problem. Well, maybe not...there wouldnt be any work to do in that case.

As to your flag burning comment I am opposed to any flag burning amendment. Perhaps you havent had your coffee this morning?

 
At 5/18/2006 3:01 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

I can't think for myself because I DON'T fall for the trap the politicans want me caught in?

Fancy that.

I do not support the war. I supported the invasions - not the nation buildng after. The US Army is extremely capable at doing what armies do: kill people and blow shit up.

I was stomping my feet long before it ever became popular even in leftist circles: we cannot be successful at instituting democracy in Islamic lands. Islam=top-down theocracy. Democracy is bottom up decentralized power.

They cannot ever mix.

Our forces are being wasted. They should be leaving both Afghan and Iraq a smoking mess so that the muslims kill each other in civil war. Then we should be nailing Iran and Saudi Arabia to the floor with some good old fashioned tickets to paradise.

Ducky may not agree with me there, but I recognize a civilizational threat. Islam is advancing everywhere in the world with a politico-religious system whereas the west is pushing back with secularism. We're going to lose.

The only difference I can say I am glad for having Bush as president is that he nom'd two SC justices that were not activists for a cause. Maybe we can reverse the REAL power grabs like Kelo that shred the rights we are supposed to have.

BOTH dems and repubs are corrupt. BOTH are endeared to the system. BOTH are growing the government as fast as they can.

YOU are failing to note the similarities because you cling to the fingernail difference between the two parties. Both parties have jumped off the cliff. Does it matter which one you follow?

 
At 5/18/2006 3:22 PM, Blogger kev said...

muss--not that this will concern you greatly, but I am disappointed, as I had previously thought you were a thinker. But, like daffy, you simply resort to name-calling and empty rhetoric. I am a conservative republican because I CHOOSE to be one and I base my choice on quite a few things. While I don't always agree with everything my party offers, in my opinion, and when things concern me, it is my opinion that counts with me, the republican party is far better than any alternative, including libertarians. You can spout off all you want about a third party candidate, but to be successful, the party itself has to have some credibility, and the candidate must be able to carry at least a majority. And as far as daffy mopping anything or anybody up, if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. He has seldom, if ever, said anything of real substance either here or on any other blog that I have seen. As for you, I offer you a point of discussion regarding a statement you offered, I supposed for discussion, and I get "kool-aid drinker." How assininely juvenile!

 
At 5/18/2006 3:37 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Mussolini,

Of course both Dem and Reps are endeared to the system, that is their job as lawmakers.

Unfortunately our government will always have corruption, but at least it is not as bad as the Mexican or Cuban models.

I dont buy the Communist Acid Party theory that we can form a perfect utopian government, we are human beings and are full of faults, how could our government be any different?

You can fantasize about a Disneyland government with God-like perfect, but you wont have any luck achieving it. It looks like you are looking for a strong leader who will promise you the impossible, perhaps someone like Il Duce?

Cheers

 
At 5/18/2006 3:39 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

"God-like perfection" not "God-like perfect"

Hee heeeeeeee

 
At 5/18/2006 3:41 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Kev:

Ducky said this in his very first post:

George should be a smash hit tonight. He'll mumble something about border enforcement and deploy a temporary presence.

His base may even realize he's powdering their butt.

Nothing changes.


Please prove it wrong.

Also, you say I am an assinine juvenile for kool-aiding you. Fine. Lemme ask you why you choose Bush when Ed Gillespie goes on Fox News to "pep rally" the base claiming that YOU want total amnesty. When called on the absurdity, he doges with "Well, the president cares very deeply about this issue." End of story.

Please justify why you support the codeword for "your opinion, dear voter, isn't worth shit. Get busy bending over. We don't like to wait to screw you."

You CHOOSE to support a party who is determined to ram amnesty down your throat, because they are the "better party." So you support amnesty. That's nice.

You impugn the consitution party but you probably don't even know what they stand for. http://www.constitutionparty.com/

You want true conservatism? Go there. Until then, you're no conservative in my book. You're a sellout neocon globalist. I do NOT like what you and your socialist kind are doing to MY country.

 
At 5/18/2006 3:44 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

You can fantasize about a Disneyland government with God-like perfect, but you wont have any luck achieving it.

I envision a federal government constrained by the original constitution.

The fact that you consider that a disneyland government shows how far into the neocon ass you've been shoved.

Just spend it all and destroy what made America great. At least we were REPUBLICANS while we were doing it!

 
At 5/18/2006 3:49 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

mussolini, must really piss you off that the increase in the price of gas has really bailed out the Saudi royal family.

Those profligates were even deeper in the hole than we are. Dead broke until the price went up and helped refill the treasury. George would never desert his pals.

As for invasions ... I don't think we did a damn bit of good by invading a relatively secular state in Iraq. They were no threat to us ... the wahabis over in Saudi whose treasury is being filled. That's another story.

 
At 5/18/2006 4:17 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

I agree there, Ducky. Just after Afghan I was eyeing Saudi as the next needy target.

In hindsight, Iran would have been better - them being the largest funders of actual murder-terrorism. Could have killed 2 birds with one stone there.

But... the Princes are in deep with Bush, so this "war" is disingenuous at best if we refuse to identify the sources.

My "conservative" magazines of late have been heavy on delivering kool-aid. I can't tell you how many fluff pieces for total amnesty have been written. National Reveiw, American Enterprise, NewsMax... they're all pouring koolaid.

 
At 5/18/2006 4:32 PM, Blogger kev said...

muss-I don't recall impugning the constitution party, specifically, and frankly, I don't have to prove to you or anybody that I'm a conservative. As far as daffy's insightful statement about what Bush would say, duh... I do have to laugh, though. In addition to having been just called a kool-aid drinker, in my life I've been called a few other names, but I have NEVER been accused of being a socialist! Just out of curiosity, if I am a socialist, where would you put daffy? At this period in time, if you want to defend the original constitution, the republican party is a close as you're gonna get (at least in the real world). As I said, you can run your mouth all you want, but you need votes to get your party into office, and right now a constitution candidate, or any other third party candidate for that matter, will, let's see, how to put this...GET A DEMOCRAT ELECTED! Perhaps it's people such as yourself who present the constituion party as being unelectable. You sound like an angry democrat to me.

 
At 5/18/2006 5:16 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Angry dem? Me?

I voted for Bush twice. I take personal responsibility for my failure.

The voter is ultimately responsible for the candidates nominated.

They're both growing the government as fast as they can and you're worried about the label (dem rep) they wear.

How quaint.

Drink the koolaid neocon. You're getting amnesty whether you like it or not.

 
At 5/18/2006 5:28 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

In fact, Kev, go to my personal website,

here

here

here

here

and here, and more besides.

and then tell me I'm a democrat.

I believed in the republican party until I woke up and saw them in lockstep with the democratic party.

Defend open borders. Defend NAFTA. Defend CAFTA. Defend AFTA. Defend social spending exploding double over Clinton. Defend amnesty. Defend MORE illegal aliens coming here. Defend egregious spending more than the world has ever known.

The republicans are responsible for all of this. And you're worried what label the big-government whore wears?

I shouldn't be asking you to justify calling yourself conservative, which you are not, I should ask you to justify calling yourself an American.

That is not an angry challenge directed only at you - it's for all koolaid drinking republicans.

 
At 5/18/2006 5:56 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Fern- The godlike perfect leader=the man on horseback! We are getting to that time in our political lives because of the ineffectual inertia that has built up, so, we look for the "strong" leader to clean up the mess, we get dictatorship!

tmw

 
At 5/18/2006 6:01 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mark,
So Bush made a televised address to the nation. About time, too!

Unfortunately, however, it seems to me that he has fudged the issue. He is trying to appeal to both sides at the same time....


Today I met with my students, and some have been strong supporters of GWB. Most didn't see through the televised address, but one student vociferously stated the same opinion as you.

 
At 5/18/2006 6:05 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

No leftist in recorded human history has ever proposed a well-reasoned idea, and I sincerely doubt our resident leftist Mr. Ducky will break that timeless tradition. For that matter, it is a quite viable and defensible belief that leftists are actually incapable of proposing well-reasoned ideas, although there is an intriguing argument for leftists being ideologically opposed to demostrating greater intellect than a pine cone. For whatever reason, it's safe to say that if you want an intelligent analysis of anything, don't ask a leftist. It's a waste of your time, and rude to dwell on the obvious shortcomings of others.

So I have to chuckle when leftists treat conservative unrest with President Bush's "immigration reform" as the great I-told-ya-so that will bring left and right together for a reprise of the daily Bush Is Evil themesong.

Sorry. Ain't gonna happen. Right-wingers tend to rally around intelligent, rational people, and none of those have ever been mistaken for a leftist.

Not being afflicted by the mind withering detrimental effects of trying to make a leftist belief actually have a ground in reality, right-wingers CAN disagree with each other and their candidates and still be right-wing.

For example, I think President Bush was a fool to sign the McCain-Feingold Act, that Bush has been disgustingly pacifistic in the war on terrorism, that Bush hasn't done enough to ensure welfare dependents will starve to death if they don't get off their asses and get a job, on and on. This just shows that Bush is to the left of me, and thus stupid, on some issues.

But the alternative? Democrats haven't changed their core identifying idea - defy the Constitution, divide the nation, and keep dark-skinned people chained up and fed slop - in over 170 years. Needless to say, the alternative is not a confidence builder.

Anyway, President Bush seems physically incapable of wielding a veto pen. So it's up to us to make sure Congress passes a bill we actually want Bush to sign.

 
At 5/18/2006 7:03 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

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At 5/18/2006 7:04 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Wow, my pal Mussolini is getting trollish tonight.

You are sounding like a Palaeo-Bat to me. Thats too bad.

To advocate invading a country in order to destroy it is so inhumane. I dont know how you can claim high moral ground.

Maybe you and Ducky were made for each other...

 
At 5/18/2006 7:19 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

To advocate invading a country in order to destroy it is so inhumane. I dont know how you can claim high moral ground.

The idea that war can be "humane" is an oxymoron.

Me? Trollish? Yes, I am a troll when I am not on serious sites. It's what I do all day. But this particular issue - this silly idea that the current republican party is "conservative" - drives me to expose the truth.

I must. I am compelled by disgust.

The republican party is in the business of expanding government for their benefit - not the voter. It is in their interest to have democrats and republicans bickering hysterically at each other so that they can escape attention.

Congress has long been out of control and the voter approves. This tacit acceptance under the excuse of voting party-line because the enemy might win is a mental trap.

Thus... I preach as a heretic to the party. Blasphemy, I say! The constitution has been abandoned and forgotten. Not even lip service do we get!

Beamish is right, no leftist has ever produced a viable idea. Unfortunately, the current republican party can't either.

I still have yet to hear the koolaid drinkers defend the party's hush-hush position for total amnesty.

Drink up.

 
At 5/18/2006 9:16 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

I agree that war is not humane and no one should expect it to be, but thats not what I'm talking about.

The bloodshed that you desire in the aftermath is horrible. It is no better than Al Qaeda's ideology.

Besides, we shouldnt remove a dictator only to allow another or several dictators take his place.

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The illegal alien issue is peanuts. There will always be illegal immigration because there is a demand for it. Unless every farm and menial labor job is eliminated we will always have this problem.

Only Leftists benefit from this issue. They use it to increase their base and conservatives argue with each other.

 
At 5/18/2006 11:45 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

"Conservatives" benefit from illegal immigration also.

National Review and NewsMax both talk up the issue as good for America because it lowers prices and raises corporate profits.

You think some Big Food company like ADM would like to see their labor costs triple? You better believe that the republicans are coerced by their coporate donors and sponsors to keep the illegal flow coming. Likewise the dems, and thus my contention they're all the same.

I would disagree most strongly that the issue is peanuts. Hundreds of emergency wards have shut down all across the border states due to unpaid illegal alien emergency care. That alone is enough for me to justify a Chinese/Berlin wall on the border. Including the Canadian border.

One thing is for sure, the rhetoric and partisan hysteria is getting worse. Why is that? Is it because the politicians are desperate to keep us busy or is because us Americans are getting stupider?

I don't want to lean too heavily - I was a diehard koolaid republican until recently. I still have my Bush/Cheney button. A harsh message would've turned me off, too. The best I can hope for is that Americans open and keep their eyes open.

 
At 5/19/2006 12:05 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

As for the horrible war thing? Better them killing themselves than innocent women and children.

I'm sure you wouldn't feel all kumbaya enough to invite the ragheads here to kill us so they can spare their own pathetic lives?

Didn't think so. Muslims kill each other when they're not killing other people. It's their way.

So I thought the choice was obvious.

 
At 5/19/2006 1:08 AM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

One thing I noticed is that you dont understand your enemy very much. Al Qaeda wants it to be a war of Islam vs Christianity.

Lets face it, Christians are not very warlike. No matter what Leftists say there is a creed of pacifism that runs through it. This is why groups like Pax Christi, Christian Peacemaker Teams and the Quakers are die-hard peace activists.

Al Qaeda wants to represent Islam in order to increase their support base, so we should be undermining them in the eyes of the Islamic world. To do this we need to humiliate them. What a better way to do that than by securing Iraq?

They are sworn to our failure. To beat them in Iraq would be a severe loss of face for them and in the Islamic world pride and strength is everything.

 
At 5/19/2006 8:07 AM, Blogger kev said...

muss--only one reply, then I'm done. I did not accuse you of being a democrat. I said you SOUNDED like one with your raving (as in algore, john dean). To call one a democrat, again in my opinion, is about as low as one can get. I reserve that for daffy, john brown, and some others. Why do you insist on trying to insult people who are only trying to discuss things with you? Although I thank you for your web addresses, from your demeanor here I don't care to "learn" anything from you, so thanks, but no thanks. Although, your method of spreading the word is interesting. Let's see, if I insult them and call them juvenile names, maybe I can convince them, by way of example, that my way is a better way. This is what makes people think the way they do about third parties.

 
At 5/19/2006 9:25 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Freedomnow - I don't understand the enemy? There's not much that tickles me about my serious sites I read, but your sure got a deep laugh.

I was calling Islam the enemy before the majority of republicans thought it was okay to do so. I was pointing out that Islam could never mix with.... hell don't you read my posts at "A New Dark Age is Dawning"? I know exactly what the end result of this current war is - and it isn't just how AQ wants Islam to see this war as, but the rest of the madrassah-taught muslims. We have a far bigger problem than AQ.

Kev - ;) Okay. You don't like my attitude or methods. At least you stood on your own two feet like a man and said so. You ducked my challenges to defend the republican party, but I'll let it go, knowing that those questions will haunt the mind of any thinking man. /salute

 
At 5/19/2006 10:20 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

"Let's face it, Christians are not very warlike".

Freedomnow, tie a freakin' can on it.

Myself I find mussolini refreshing because he will put his position out there without any of the jive crap. He's not going to take two choruses of the "freedom isn't free" tap dance.

When you get tired of the continued screwups of this clown car administration please let us know.

Meanwhile we have to get ready for a round of homo hating, a tax cut that gives 70 billion for the rich to play with hedge funds and another round of getting a plank shoved up our butts by every ten cent world dictator and oil pimp.

Enjoy, sucker.

 
At 5/19/2006 10:58 AM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Ducky,

There isnt a shred of reality that you are basing your anti-Christian prejudice on.

Enjoy your alliance of convenience with Mussolini, you got as much in common with him as freedom has in common with Socialism.

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Mussolini,

In order to defeat your enemy you have to understand their strengths and weaknesses. Then you have to look at how that applies to their goals.

You are looking at Islam the way the Mujahadeen want you to look at it. They want Islamic militancy to appear bigger than it really is and to seem undefeatable.

 
At 5/19/2006 11:14 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Islam's exemplar was a man of murder. Christianity's exemplar was a Man of peace.

Quite a difference.

Quite telling that the majority of American converts to Islam come from within the American prison system. Islam is predisposed to violence; christianity is not.

Claiming that Islam is all peace and love is simply drinking the Bush koolaid about it being the Religion of Peace.

Tell that to the 4 year olds getting beheaded because they are "christian threats" to Islam. Then please turn around and provide me a single instance where any christian has beheaded a 4 year old muslim child.

Islam is a sickness and it's spreading.

 
At 5/19/2006 11:36 AM, Blogger kev said...

Muss, now that it seems we've sort of gotten beyond the bad feelings, I will tell you that I cannot defend some of my party's policies and I won't even try to. The party is far from perfect, and as long as people are involved in it, it will never be. What I am saying is that, given the alternatives, the dem party that basically advocates either defending terrorists or surrendering to them, or a third party, that is not AT THIS TIME IN HISTORY, electable, the republican party is the lesser of the "evils," so to speak. I am not condemning the constitution party in any way, as I am a firm believer in the constitution, and I skoff at those who think it should be a "living" document. If its going to be flexible according to the whims of libs, criminals, lawyers, the direction of the wind, whatever, we have, in effect, no constitution. I do see a great and distinct difference between the two major parties, regarding, especially, the war on terror, the constitution (I offer as an example the obvious and public problems in trying to put defenders of the constitution on the bench), crime and criminals, catering to unions, and many more points. I am not happy with my party's view on immigration. But, until a third party offers a viable candidate, I will do all I can to prevent a democrat, especially today's liberal, leftist democrat, from running my country, and right now that entails my voting republican.

 
At 5/19/2006 12:26 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Hot damn!!!!!!!

Dat dere duck huntin' is as good as offroad roadkill huntin' afta rainy season.

 
At 5/19/2006 1:26 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Nice job kev .... you sure do support due process. The recent phone records case is a good case in point. There are judicial procedures to get the information that are already in place.

Now what Chucklenuts and the Clown Car Administration wanted was pure power. They did not want any judicial oversight whatsoever. WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' BADGES. Right?

So you support an administration doing this sort of thing while the drool dribbles down your chin and you mumble something like "catering to unions". Which unions? Airlines? UAW at Delphi? Why don't you explain yourself?

Thing is with the average right wing toad...a constitutional violation is anything that they don't agree with. That's about their level of thought. Now if you can explain why the power grab to circumvent due process wasn't a much more serious matter than you getting all bent out of shape about gay marriage then explain yourself.

You guys wouldn't know freedom it if bit your unit.

 
At 5/19/2006 1:55 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Right, Kev, and I agree with you in principle.

However, I see the democratic party as running as fast as they can to get away from the constitution, while the republicans are merely trotting away.

If the only candidates available are republican and democrat... well. But we're also part of the nominating process. The effort must be made on our part to nominate candidates that are responsible, not just vote prevailing party.

It's not something that could happen overnight, but if we don't try to force change in our government, we're going to continue to be raped and we only have ourselves to blame.

 
At 5/19/2006 2:34 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

First library records,

Then phone call records (not the actual conversations, just records),

Whats next shopping lists?

Change your diapers and then lets talk about something of substance.

 
At 5/19/2006 4:09 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

You don't think I'M defending Bush, do you?

I voted for him twice, but I'm not here to defend him or the blatant power grabs and invasions of privacy and property.

Same direction as the democrats....

 
At 5/19/2006 4:46 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Nope, IL Duce you made your position clear and I know there is no changing your mind so dont sweat it.

I am just enjoying a little banter back and forth.

But if Bush gets ahold of your shopping list I will be sure to tell him that the Pampers are for Ducky...

 
At 5/19/2006 4:52 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

I would expect the next outrage to be monitoring credit card transactions.

If they're doing the other stuff, then I'm sure they're doing that.

 
At 5/19/2006 4:55 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Yeah, well the UN is going to have a gun control summit in NYC on July 4 2006! Cheeky aren't they?

tmw

 
At 5/19/2006 5:17 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Yup I get it.

Bush = Hitler

 
At 5/19/2006 8:02 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Mussolini,

War is not only humane, it is measurably efficient at converting enemies into the factually established harmless class of people known as the dead.

Don't short change war. Some of the greatest periods in history came about because people who needed to die were obliged by people willing to kill them.

 
At 5/19/2006 8:46 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

I have to admit that I admire Ducky's courage to show his solidarity with these martyrs who fight to stop the evil Bush monster from accessing their library records. Whats next a book burning?

No War for Library Records!

 
At 5/19/2006 9:01 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

FreedomNow,

Bush can say Islam tastes good with a beer as long as he's killing terrorists. I'm with Mussolini in finding it unfortunate that he might actually himself believe that "Islam has been hijacked by eeevildoers" bullshit.

My oldest brother's destroyer was relieved in Yemen by the USS Cole a night before the bombing. A childhood friend's older brother never came back from the Marines barracks in Beirut 1983. Another friend of mine in Jerusalem was maimed and poisoned by metal shards, torn flesh, and bone fragments from several different people when a Muslim stepped onto the bus she was waiting for, shouted "Allahu ackbar!" and blew himself up.

Bush could use some work in distinguishing himself from the utter non-seriousness towards Islamic terrorism presented by the Democratic Party. Mussolini is NASA accurate on this.

But, it's already been established precedent that the Constitution actually means nothing when a Democrat sits in the Oval Office. Heck, that was established way back in 1836 when Andrew Jackson, of twenty-dollar bill fame, decided Supreme Court decisions were no foil for his leftist need to slaughter dark-skinned people. Thus Indian removal and the Trail of Tears followed.

The Civil War...
The KKK...
The Palmer raids...
Japanese internment camps...
Jim Crow laws...
COINTELPRO...
The Kosovo Blowjob War...

How many examples from history must I cite before the idea that Democrats have EVER given a rat's ass about the Constitution or human rights is effectively deemed ridiculous?

Ask Coretta Scott King what she thought of the audio tapes of Martin Luther King having extramarital sex, provided to her courtesy of gender-bender J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, with tacit approval of Bobby Kennedy. President Lyndon Brainless Johnson used to entertain "friends" in the Oval Office with these audio tapes and howl up a storm. That is, when he wasn't whipping out his penis in front of staff and strangers.

Such is the calibre of character that leftist Democrats typically field as candidates in elections.

We need alternatives, but at least the Democratic Party monopolizes the stupid place to look for them.

 
At 5/19/2006 9:22 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mr. Beamish,
I'm with Mussolini in finding it unfortunate that he might actually himself believe that "Islam has been hijacked by eeevildoers" bullshit.

Who is feeding GWB that line? Or does he really believe that all religions speak to the good in each of us. He probably learned that in comparative-religions class at Yale.

 
At 5/20/2006 1:55 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Religious relativism.

Bah.

 
At 5/22/2006 8:00 AM, Blogger kev said...

daffy--where does one start with you? First, I was speaking of unions in general, but especially teachers'union, afscme, most public workers'unions, as a matter of fact, association of trial lawyers (perhaps not a union, per se, but their lobbying has the same effect), etc. Secondly, I have no problem with the telephone stuff. And I'm willing to bet you had none when clinton was doing worse than that. If getting this info keeps us safe from cowardly bomb-placing by radical terrorists, hell, I'm for it. And don't recite that little quote for me about those willing to give up a little freedom. I'm pretty sure when that was said there were no nuke bombs, long-range missiles, and the radical islamist terrorists were in their own countries. I haven't read lately of any 9-11 type attacks on our soil, by the way, so something must be working. And don't tell me about violations of the constitution when your side tries with all they have to (mis) interpret it to their whims and desires. And daffy, I personally could give a crap less who or what you want to marry. I don't recall ever mentioning that subject. If your "freedom" is the right to do whatever you want to do, with absolutely no boundaries whatever, then (shudder) you're right, I don't know freedom. Of course then we should do away with laws, because the application of laws inherently piss off some people, we'd have to dump equal protection, same reason, we'd have no need to vote....whimps like you would be forced to physically fight for everything you wanted because simply running your mouth wouldn't be effective. In other words, anarchy!

 
At 5/22/2006 1:34 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Kev,
daffy--where does one start with you?

He keeps changing his "strategies," so it's hard to know.

 

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