About The Immigration Bill
Read this article from the May 15, 2006 edition of the Washington Times. Your thoughts?
posted by Always On Watch @ 5/15/2006 09:19:00 AM
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72 Comments:
Ugh! That article raises some very troubling questions.
I received a response to my earlier letter to Senator Graham in which I raised the issue: what do you do with all the illegals who do NOT pay the fines, learn English, get to the back of the line for citizenship?
I didn't get an answer to that.
It might make some sense to let more immigrants come in. But under what conditions? I am not opposed to some controlled way to bring laborers in to pick lettuce as long as they do not bring their families in and start draining away precious resources for education and healthcare.
The scenario this article describes might be acceptable if it were matched by a SERIOUS border shutdown AND SERIOUS employment enforcement and SERIOUS efforts to send back any illegal who did not meet the conditions required in the bill.
As I said in my letter to Senator Graham, I have grave concerns about legitimizing a new underclass of unacculturated foreigners who have no intention of becoming citizens, or of obeying even the laws requiring driver's licenses and automobile insurance.
I think it is an example of bipartisan delusion and stupidity to think that the majority of these people have any desire to become Americans.
P.S. Did you have an update on the United 93 memorial that I missed? Please drop me a link at Mike's America if you do.
"All told, the Hagel-Martinez bill would increase the annual flow of legal immigrants into the U.S. to more than 2 million from roughly 1 million today, scholars and analysts say". ..what on God green Earth could they possibly be thinking with this ahem logic AOW!!!
Everytime I email a sentor. I get a letter back that is the same as the time before. Both of the are Republicans. My rep. however is a dem. He sent me an actual response. He voted for the houses version. This is were being an Ind. comes in handy.
Ducky, I am FULLY aware that Bush is trying to "powder my butt," and it HACKS me off.
I am against ALL illegal immigration, no matter where it comes from.
It stands to reason that the lion's share of the "lettuce picking" is done by illegals; it's not like they have to submit a W-2 to get that job! I think it's horrible that the President would have the audacity to stand in front of the public and say that we need "migrant workers" to do the work Americans won't! As far as I'm concerned, if you just "won't" work, you can starve! And if that means that the cost of a frickin' head of lettuce goes up a buck or two, FINE. I've got a backyard; I can grow a garden if I need to.
What's up with the black/white intellegence thing? Public schools usually do NOT IQ test, and even if they did Im sure it would show intellegence on an individual, not racial basis.
I wanted an amendment to that bill that would allow for the denaturalization of Marxists like a certain poultry. Marxists have a proven record of espionage and subversion in this country. Lets see if the Duck understands probable cause for government scruitiny. The amount of espionage commited by liberterians is zero.
One phrase in the article noted it was a 614-page bill. It obviously hides much harm. Kill it. I can write an appropriate immigration reform bill in less than one page. Our whole constitution doesn’t take 614 pages! If the average citizen can’t read it and understand it on the bus ride home from work, it shouldn’t be passed.
The rest of the article just exposes the major holes. This bill is Swiss cheese without the cheese. It’s all holes.
anybody tried a.c. today? blog has gone missing.
Duck you have no concept of reality, but we have known that for a very long time.
As for Mikes America not being able to handle criticism as usual your wrong he gets a whole slew of moonbats over there on a regular basis. Why don't you post over there once in awhile intsead of talking nonsense as usual.
As for the cost and damage that our current immigration policy stands it IS bankrupting several states MOSTLY from ILLEGALS.
The labor cost of any fruit/vegitable that is picked is 10% of the cost when it reaches market if they were to double the wage they are paying ILLEGALS now AMERICANS would pick them Make it part of the get off welfare job programs. The raise in cost would be 10% higher than what you pay for an apple now. So instead of $1 you would pay $1.10
Build a wall on the Border and SHOOT anyone that trys to BREAK INTO the country.
Increasing the flow of NON-Educated and NON-Skilled workers entering Legally while granting AMNESTY to the criminals that are already here creats MORE problems and solves NOTHING
PS Duck
Since you are so brilliant why don't you create your own blog and dazzle us with it.
I may call myself The Troll but in reality thats all you are!
Ducky:
Trying for a Nobel Prize in the new category: Blog Fool?
P.S. I can GROW and PICK all my vegetables.
As I said before, the approach to immigration by the US authorities simply amazes me.
Been there, done that! About to do it again. Even had chickens for the eggs! And your point is Ducky? Illegal is against the law, period! Illegal aliens according to the law are to be detained then deported! No new bills necessary, just enforce what we have. No problem.
Nanc- do you still have your little guest? What a hoot, glad you had stuff on hand to tide you over.
tmw
Duck always gices you just what you would expect from an Artiste from Massachusets LOL
Makes me want to puke!
Hey Plucky Duck! I see you're spouting off your usual non-sense about illegals and health care. As if these vermin have a right to free health care and gov't benefits? Most Mexicans can't even read in their own ugly hick version of Spanish--much less English. It's good to know they have an ally like you. One willing to sell his expensive artwork for their "cause" I'm sure (since you're such a good Samaritin).
Oh and Mexican's aren't generally hard workers either. That's a gringo stereotype. They have no choice after the gov't stopped giving large free handouts in the late 1960's. Miraculously, it worked! Maybe we ought to try it here with the ingrates on welfare too--bet they'd be flippin' burgers in a heartbeat. Oh and BTW I worked in Guadalajara one summer back in 1992 (I was 15 years old at the time) as a carpet cleaner. Made $30 a week! It sure made me realise never to bad mouth my country ever again.
I agree with the puking. lol
I'm damned near sick of this "immigration reform" garbage.
ANNEX MEXICO! The Texas National Guard could do it in a week.
Having trouble with my connection. Back when my connection is properly restored and my schedule allows.
Yeah duck, where's your blog?
So Bush made a televised address to the nation. About time, too!
Unfortunately, however, it seems to me that he has fudged the issue. He is trying to appeal to both sides at the same time. It's not going to work. Moreover, it shows his weakness as a president. The man has become a lame duck!
He spoke about the vast majority of illegal immigrants as being decent people and "strong in their faith". What the hell has the latter got to do with it? They are ILLEGAL immigrants! And that's the long and the short of it. Being people of faith doesn't make it right. In fact, if they were truly people of faith, then they would have been too law-abiding to cross the border in the first place!
President Bush, I am sorry to say, allows his belief in God to blur his vision. What's he trying to do with the States? Turn it into a Christian theocracy to act as a counterbalance to Iran, or what?
I used to be a big fan of Bush's. Now I see him for what he truly is: A weak president!
If he can't secure your borders, what hope do we have of his being able to deal with Islam. I suppose he says to himself all is right with that death cult, too, because they are people of faith!
Such balderdash! I'm beginning to wonder if this man's brain has been scrambled, rather like the eggs I sometiomes eat for breakfast!
Have Mike's posts disappeared, or is Blogger burping?
Duck,
you do know that Cesar Chavez was also very anti illegal immigration.
He wanted to organize farm workers
Some specifics on that? Links, if possible.
Jason,
614 pages is a lot of pages. Is it typical for Congress to have such hypergraphia?
I wonder what the record is for a bill's number of pages?
AoW- It's all in the minutia! Congress has to "what if" it to death, mainly because they and the country in general have lost anything to do with common sense! Throw out G*D and morality, whallah- anything can and will go!
Blech!
tmw
Beak,
I wanted an amendment to that bill that would allow for the denaturalization of Marxists
I've heard you mention this before. Not happening, of course.
Fact: American citizens, including naturalized citizens and legal immigrants, are getting fed up with illegal immigration. Any number of polls substatiates this frustration.
Fact: Earlier this month in the local election in Herndon, Virginia, the mayor and two councilmen who supported the taxpayer-funded center for day laborers got voted out of office.
GWB's speech last night is a response to his losing a large portion of his base.
IMO, seal the southern border first; then worry about the rest of the reform. Besides, we already have the laws in place to deal with illegal invaders; those laws are not being enforced, especially with regard to employers. I don't buy GWB's line that many employers don't know they're hiring illegals.
Off to work now.
Its amazing how the Left isnt supportive of the President when he defies his conservative base and tries to compromise on the immigration issue.
They are not interested in the best interests of illegal aliens, their sole interest is to exploit them for political gain.
You guys are being suckered by people like Ducky that are trying to split conservatives the way the right split in Israel.
Ducky does not have your best interests in mind. If you objectively look at what he is saying his motives are painfully obvious.
He isnt trying to help you by stating that Bush is betraying his base.
Not provocative enough? Try this one: President Bush is selling America down the river!
Mr. Ducky said...
...and somehow right wing Americans feel more "safe" giving a work permit to a barely litterate Carlos Gonzalez than to a neuro-surgeon named Aisha Abdul-Baki.
It wouldn't be so funny if it wasn't true... no way will I let some Pakistani mess around in my brain.
With Ducky all roads lead to successful Communist utopias.
It has been a smashing success in Russia, China, Cambodia and many other paradise-like countries. Try it, you'll like it.
...When someone calls you an idiot over and over, its always wise to take any advice from that person with a large grain of salt.
Storm,
It's been a long time since you've visited.
BTW, have you seen the latest edition of Reader's Digest? One of the cover stories is "ID Thieves' New Tricks: How to Stop Them."
Duck,
The insurance companies are doing far more to jack up health costs, along with drug company shakedowns, than anything migrants are doing.
You're right about the exorbitant administrative costs. My husband and I had some COBRA coverage years ago and found out all about those costs, just in time for my husband's neurosurgery. However, I still contend that migrants also jack up costs. I'm dealing with that right now as a result of the car accident last year; I was rear-ended by an immigrant who had dropped his commercial coverage without telling the cab company for which he drove. So what can I do? Go after my own company--I have no choice and am now in the process of finding out if my injury is permanent; my injury is quite debilitating--that's why I'm in the blogosphere so much. Now that I've taken a turn for the worse, as of May 5, I'll be battling the insurance injury, and doing battle requires an attorney as we use the "underinsured/uninsured motorist" clause. All of us with car insurance see that particular clause cost more, on almost a yearly basis.
Somewhere there must be data as to the hidden costs of illegal immigrants. Perhaps I'll have time this summer to research that topic.
Freedom Now,
When someone calls you an idiot over and over, its always wise to take any advice from that person with a large grain of salt.
Duck is into playing the troll, so I guess that calling everyone besides himself stupid is part of the role he plays. It does get weary, however. **Sigh**
Storm,
Last year, when the flap about the Herndon Day Laborer Center was going on, the Democrats made a huge deal as to how the issue would NOT impact the elections this year. The Dems were way off on that one. Herndon, by all stats, should have re-elected the incumbent Dems--didn't happen.
Mark,
I've always been suspicious of politicians and with very few exceptions. GWB just reinforced my skepticism. Are we seeing the "real" GWB during this, his second term? I think so!
Are there any statesmen in either party?
Florian,
You're right: among the various Latinos, Mexican men have the bad reputation as to work ethic. I saw this reflected back in college. I majored in Spanish and, as a rule, those from Latin American countries other than Mexico didn't have much respect for Mexicans. We had one professor from Mexico, and he was very erudite and an expert in the civilization/history of Spain. Still, the rest of the Spanish department more or less avoided him. The red-headed, green-eyed Cuban professor particularly disliked him. Quite a phenomenon to watch.
Duck
"Well it is nice to see some of the racist boogers come out."
Your the only RACIST Here. You sufer from liberal guilt and lack of ability to create your own forum to express your nonsencicle views. Go listen to some folk music and paint a selfportrait
Mussolini,
There is no "immigration reform."
Doesn't anyone see that? This is another amnesty.
Using the National Guard at the border is just a ploy to try to keep the Republicans' conservative base from abandoning the Party in the upcoming election.
Another article to read.
Hat-tip to Mike's America.
You can say that again! That's why I'm no longer a member of one of them. I didn't even watch because I'm tired of being lied to.
So Libertarians or Democrats are more truthful?
Then in the end you are voting for the Democrats.
Cheers
Excuse me! I don't smoke period! And I certainly wouldn't suggest running around naked, humans look better clothed! I may howl at my teens, nor do we eat tree bark! I'm just tired of lies and manipulation! Bugging AoW and Nanc are much more fun.
tmw
Sorry, that's is not are.
tmw
Here goes the race card again. Dont you have any original thoughts or are you just a tool?
Mussolini,
What genius of mentally challenged shoe fungi thought that transparent and blatant sound bites with no substance would satisfy the electorate?
Does the electorate think, or just vote the party line?
Freedom Now,
Then in the end you are voting for the Democrats.
Therein lies the problem with a third Party.
I try to keep my eye on the ball while Ducky says,
"look over here, its a racist..."
-or-
"Bush betrayed his base, what are you going to do about it?"
Mussolini...
All that counts is that the ELECTED Democrats DO vote in lockstep no matter what the rhetoric on the local level is the the Dems in Congress are pawns to their leadership...
As for Daffy Duck wiping the floor with everyone if you consider repeated calls that everyone is a racist and Bush or chucklenuits as he likes to call him is always wrong as a winning argument then my opinion of YOUR judgement has gone down a notch.
Mr Ducky:
I'm having trouble loading your avatar today. Everone else's is loading, but yours is not. Has your link broken, perhaps? I thought I should let you know.
This conversation is shaping up quite nicely:
Weve got Ducky saying that the two party system doesnt work. I guess the one party system is superior, comrade.
Basically Ducky says you are chumps and should trust his good judgement that everything is a mess. Well, while I am enjoying this economy I will be more than happy to humor his rhetoric that things are wildly out of control and everything is falling apart.
However, maybe I should contemplate applying for refugee status to Ducky's Cuban paradise where I can enjoy true prosperity and political stability.
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Mussolini says,
"Your responsibility as citizens has been sold out to career politicians who demand you think the way you do."
I am sorry that you cant think for yourself. That is really too bad. If a politician is kicking down your door and forcing you to support him then give me your address and I come down there with a baseball bat and help you out.
Therein lies the trap the two-party system has led you to believe. When you hear politicians echoing it, you're in deluded group-think and not reality.
This country is at war. Not many people realize it, but we are. The Republicans support the war and the Dems dont. No matter how many Nolan Charts you can pull out of your ass, this fact still holds true.
The Dems and their Leftist allies are doing everything they can to divide the Pro-Iraqi Liberation camp. They are using this issue in an attempt to divide support for the rehabilitation of Iraq because their efforts to oppose the US military presence there is a failure.
I am not a sucker if my goals are the same as the people I support and I am not a chump for the Dems and leftwing activists who hate my country. When the Republican party changes its tune and says we should abandon Iraq to the Baathists and Al Qaeda then I will support someone else.
Ducky,
It is your political bias that prevents you from seeing the difference between the two parties.
The reason that immigration has been a problem is because of the rule of supply and demand. A long and barren border makes it too easy to get across.
Even if a Communist ruled this country we would have the same problem. Well, maybe not...there wouldnt be any work to do in that case.
As to your flag burning comment I am opposed to any flag burning amendment. Perhaps you havent had your coffee this morning?
Mussolini,
Of course both Dem and Reps are endeared to the system, that is their job as lawmakers.
Unfortunately our government will always have corruption, but at least it is not as bad as the Mexican or Cuban models.
I dont buy the Communist Acid Party theory that we can form a perfect utopian government, we are human beings and are full of faults, how could our government be any different?
You can fantasize about a Disneyland government with God-like perfect, but you wont have any luck achieving it. It looks like you are looking for a strong leader who will promise you the impossible, perhaps someone like Il Duce?
Cheers
"God-like perfection" not "God-like perfect"
Hee heeeeeeee
Fern- The godlike perfect leader=the man on horseback! We are getting to that time in our political lives because of the ineffectual inertia that has built up, so, we look for the "strong" leader to clean up the mess, we get dictatorship!
tmw
Mark,
So Bush made a televised address to the nation. About time, too!
Unfortunately, however, it seems to me that he has fudged the issue. He is trying to appeal to both sides at the same time....
Today I met with my students, and some have been strong supporters of GWB. Most didn't see through the televised address, but one student vociferously stated the same opinion as you.
No leftist in recorded human history has ever proposed a well-reasoned idea, and I sincerely doubt our resident leftist Mr. Ducky will break that timeless tradition. For that matter, it is a quite viable and defensible belief that leftists are actually incapable of proposing well-reasoned ideas, although there is an intriguing argument for leftists being ideologically opposed to demostrating greater intellect than a pine cone. For whatever reason, it's safe to say that if you want an intelligent analysis of anything, don't ask a leftist. It's a waste of your time, and rude to dwell on the obvious shortcomings of others.
So I have to chuckle when leftists treat conservative unrest with President Bush's "immigration reform" as the great I-told-ya-so that will bring left and right together for a reprise of the daily Bush Is Evil themesong.
Sorry. Ain't gonna happen. Right-wingers tend to rally around intelligent, rational people, and none of those have ever been mistaken for a leftist.
Not being afflicted by the mind withering detrimental effects of trying to make a leftist belief actually have a ground in reality, right-wingers CAN disagree with each other and their candidates and still be right-wing.
For example, I think President Bush was a fool to sign the McCain-Feingold Act, that Bush has been disgustingly pacifistic in the war on terrorism, that Bush hasn't done enough to ensure welfare dependents will starve to death if they don't get off their asses and get a job, on and on. This just shows that Bush is to the left of me, and thus stupid, on some issues.
But the alternative? Democrats haven't changed their core identifying idea - defy the Constitution, divide the nation, and keep dark-skinned people chained up and fed slop - in over 170 years. Needless to say, the alternative is not a confidence builder.
Anyway, President Bush seems physically incapable of wielding a veto pen. So it's up to us to make sure Congress passes a bill we actually want Bush to sign.
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Wow, my pal Mussolini is getting trollish tonight.
You are sounding like a Palaeo-Bat to me. Thats too bad.
To advocate invading a country in order to destroy it is so inhumane. I dont know how you can claim high moral ground.
Maybe you and Ducky were made for each other...
I agree that war is not humane and no one should expect it to be, but thats not what I'm talking about.
The bloodshed that you desire in the aftermath is horrible. It is no better than Al Qaeda's ideology.
Besides, we shouldnt remove a dictator only to allow another or several dictators take his place.
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The illegal alien issue is peanuts. There will always be illegal immigration because there is a demand for it. Unless every farm and menial labor job is eliminated we will always have this problem.
Only Leftists benefit from this issue. They use it to increase their base and conservatives argue with each other.
One thing I noticed is that you dont understand your enemy very much. Al Qaeda wants it to be a war of Islam vs Christianity.
Lets face it, Christians are not very warlike. No matter what Leftists say there is a creed of pacifism that runs through it. This is why groups like Pax Christi, Christian Peacemaker Teams and the Quakers are die-hard peace activists.
Al Qaeda wants to represent Islam in order to increase their support base, so we should be undermining them in the eyes of the Islamic world. To do this we need to humiliate them. What a better way to do that than by securing Iraq?
They are sworn to our failure. To beat them in Iraq would be a severe loss of face for them and in the Islamic world pride and strength is everything.
Ducky,
There isnt a shred of reality that you are basing your anti-Christian prejudice on.
Enjoy your alliance of convenience with Mussolini, you got as much in common with him as freedom has in common with Socialism.
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Mussolini,
In order to defeat your enemy you have to understand their strengths and weaknesses. Then you have to look at how that applies to their goals.
You are looking at Islam the way the Mujahadeen want you to look at it. They want Islamic militancy to appear bigger than it really is and to seem undefeatable.
Hot damn!!!!!!!
Dat dere duck huntin' is as good as offroad roadkill huntin' afta rainy season.
First library records,
Then phone call records (not the actual conversations, just records),
Whats next shopping lists?
Change your diapers and then lets talk about something of substance.
Nope, IL Duce you made your position clear and I know there is no changing your mind so dont sweat it.
I am just enjoying a little banter back and forth.
But if Bush gets ahold of your shopping list I will be sure to tell him that the Pampers are for Ducky...
Yeah, well the UN is going to have a gun control summit in NYC on July 4 2006! Cheeky aren't they?
tmw
Mussolini,
War is not only humane, it is measurably efficient at converting enemies into the factually established harmless class of people known as the dead.
Don't short change war. Some of the greatest periods in history came about because people who needed to die were obliged by people willing to kill them.
I have to admit that I admire Ducky's courage to show his solidarity with these martyrs who fight to stop the evil Bush monster from accessing their library records. Whats next a book burning?
No War for Library Records!
FreedomNow,
Bush can say Islam tastes good with a beer as long as he's killing terrorists. I'm with Mussolini in finding it unfortunate that he might actually himself believe that "Islam has been hijacked by eeevildoers" bullshit.
My oldest brother's destroyer was relieved in Yemen by the USS Cole a night before the bombing. A childhood friend's older brother never came back from the Marines barracks in Beirut 1983. Another friend of mine in Jerusalem was maimed and poisoned by metal shards, torn flesh, and bone fragments from several different people when a Muslim stepped onto the bus she was waiting for, shouted "Allahu ackbar!" and blew himself up.
Bush could use some work in distinguishing himself from the utter non-seriousness towards Islamic terrorism presented by the Democratic Party. Mussolini is NASA accurate on this.
But, it's already been established precedent that the Constitution actually means nothing when a Democrat sits in the Oval Office. Heck, that was established way back in 1836 when Andrew Jackson, of twenty-dollar bill fame, decided Supreme Court decisions were no foil for his leftist need to slaughter dark-skinned people. Thus Indian removal and the Trail of Tears followed.
The Civil War...
The KKK...
The Palmer raids...
Japanese internment camps...
Jim Crow laws...
COINTELPRO...
The Kosovo Blowjob War...
How many examples from history must I cite before the idea that Democrats have EVER given a rat's ass about the Constitution or human rights is effectively deemed ridiculous?
Ask Coretta Scott King what she thought of the audio tapes of Martin Luther King having extramarital sex, provided to her courtesy of gender-bender J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, with tacit approval of Bobby Kennedy. President Lyndon Brainless Johnson used to entertain "friends" in the Oval Office with these audio tapes and howl up a storm. That is, when he wasn't whipping out his penis in front of staff and strangers.
Such is the calibre of character that leftist Democrats typically field as candidates in elections.
We need alternatives, but at least the Democratic Party monopolizes the stupid place to look for them.
Mr. Beamish,
I'm with Mussolini in finding it unfortunate that he might actually himself believe that "Islam has been hijacked by eeevildoers" bullshit.
Who is feeding GWB that line? Or does he really believe that all religions speak to the good in each of us. He probably learned that in comparative-religions class at Yale.
Kev,
daffy--where does one start with you?
He keeps changing his "strategies," so it's hard to know.
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