Tuesday, May 02, 2006

Guillermo Sobrero And Abu Sayyaf

(All emphases by Always On Watch)

Do the names in the title of this blog article mean anything to you? Ring any bells?

The following brief item appeared in the Sunday, April 30, 2006 Washington Post:
"MANILA -- Military intelligence agents captured a second militant allegedly involved in the abduction of three Americans, including a missionary couple, from a resort five years ago. Abdasil Malangka Dima, an alleged member of Abu Sayyaf, a Muslim extremist group linked to al-Qaeda, was captured in Basilan province, the military said.

"Dima allegedly was involved in the abduction of Martin and Gracia Burnham, from Wichita, Kan., tourist Guillermo Sobero of Corona, Calif., and 17 Filipinos in 2001. Sobero was beheaded and Martin Burnham was killed during an army rescue mission."
I didn't wake up until September 11, 2001, and did not recognize the names in the above news item, though I vaguely recalled the names Martin and Gracia Burnham.

A quick Internet search of the name "Guillermo Sobrero" yielded a June 12, 2001 report of his beheading. Excerpt from the June 12, 2001 article about the beheading of Sobrero:
“'Look for his head in Tuburan,' spokesman Abu Sabaya said.... "

"Sabaya told the radio station: 'As an independence day gift we released an amigo, Guillermo Sobrero, but he doesn’t have a head now.'

"Today is the 103rd anniversary of the Philippines’ declaration of independence from Spain.

"Sabaya said there would be no more negotiations.

"'There is no reason why we should not behead the others,' he said...."
My Internet search also yielded the following 2003 blog article which contained an excerpt from Gracia Burnham's book In the Presence of My Enemies:
"'… I was watching a group of the remaining captors as they horsed around with each other, just having fun. Somebody pushed a pleasant young man named Jaafar, who was probably no more than eighteen. In a slightly mocking tone, he retorted “Oooh, oooh, don’t kill me! I want to see my sons!” … In the days ahead we heard that line repeated more than once; in fact it became kind of an “in” joke among the captors. We gradually admitted to ourselves the awful truth: Guillermo’s decapitated body was lying back there somewhere on a hillside, marked only by his head raised up on a bamboo pole like a trophy.'"
Consider the following excerpt from the March 27, 2006 Weekly Standard article "Saddam's Philippines Terror Connection: And other revelations from the Iraqi regime files":
"SADDAM HUSSEIN'S REGIME PROVIDED FINANCIAL support to Abu Sayyaf, the al Qaeda-linked jihadist group founded by Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law in the Philippines in the late 1990s, according to documents captured in postwar Iraq. An eight-page fax dated June 6, 2001, and sent from the Iraqi ambassador in Manila to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Baghdad, provides an update on Abu Sayyaf kidnappings and indicates that the Iraqi regime was providing the group with money to purchase weapons. The Iraqi regime suspended its support--temporarily, it seems--after high-profile kidnappings, including of Americans, focused international attention on the terrorist group...."
Read it all. Note the apparent connection among Saddam Hussein, al-Qaeda, and Abu Sayyaf. Often, what we Westerners think of as different groups of Islamic terrorists have ties, usually financial. According to Dr. Walid Phares, one of the speakers I heard at the Pre-Symposium event on Friday, April 28, 2006, different Islamic terrorist-organizations are branches of the same tree.

More information about Abu Sayyaf can be found here, in this April 2005 report from the State Department. Excerpt:

"The ASG [Abu Sayyaf Group] engages in kidnappings for ransom, bombings, beheadings, assassinations, and extortion. The group’s stated goal is to promote an independent Islamic state in western Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago (areas in the southern Philippines heavily populated by Muslims) but the ASG has primarily used terror for financial profit. Recent bombings may herald a return to a more radical, politicized agenda, at least among certain factions. The group’s first large-scale action was a raid on the town of Ipil in Mindanao in April 1995. In April of 2000, an ASG faction kidnapped 21 persons, including 10 Western tourists, from a resort in Malaysia. On May 27, 2001, the ASG kidnapped three US citizens and 17 Filipinos from a tourist resort in Palawan, Philippines. Several of the hostages, including US citizen Guillermo Sobero, were murdered. During a Philippine military hostage rescue operation on June 7, 2002, US hostage Gracia Burnham was rescued, but her husband Martin Burnham and Filipina Deborah Yap were killed. Philippine authorities say that the ASG had a role in the bombing near a Philippine military base in Zamboanga in October 2002 that killed a US serviceman. In February 2004, Khadaffy Janjalani’s faction bombed SuperFerry 14 in Manila Bay, killing approximately 132, and in March, Philippine authorities arrested an ASG cell whose bombing targets included the US Embassy in Manila."
So, what got me curious about Guillermo Sobrero and Abu Sayyaf? The Washington Post's mention of a beheading, of course. Just how many beheadings don't make the front page of our newspapers so as not to promote Islamophobia? And how many more reports of Islamic terrorism are buried or not published at all?

113 Comments:

At 5/02/2006 7:24 AM, Blogger LASunsett said...

"SADDAM HUSSEIN'S REGIME PROVIDED FINANCIAL support to Abu Sayyaf, the al Qaeda-linked jihadist group founded by Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law in the Philippines in the late 1990s, according to documents captured in postwar Iraq.

What gets me is, the left will still say that there was no evidence that Saddam had any connection to 9-11 and that he was not a threat to the US. But as we continue to uncover information, we find out differently. Even still, the left refuses, not fails to, but refuses to see the evidence in any form of an objective light.

They do love darkness, don't they?

 
At 5/02/2006 8:26 AM, Blogger Let Non Arab - Muslims Live! said...

Anything that typifies Islamofascism is automatically sensored, it starts at the language, includes why Islamofacsists' genocide in Sudan is a mere "conflict" by mainstream media, or how they "insugen"-ized the terrorists in Iraq, then has "sectarian-ized" the fascists attacks between Sunni & Shiite Muslims there.

 
At 5/02/2006 8:41 AM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

AoW- If you haven't read Gracia Burnham's book, do so. She is bluntly honest about her fears and doubts during this time. It is a hard read in places, I cried at parts. But well worth the time! May we prove as faithful if we go through tough times. Her testimony of how she handled sudden widowhood helped me, though mine I saw coming for 11 months and her's was sudden!

tmw

 
At 5/02/2006 8:46 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Lasunsett - Yes, they refuse. But it's not because they're stupid. It's not because they can't make the connection.

I guarantee you if Kerry was in office, they would see the connection. They're playing the partisan playbook and have to be on the opposing side no matter the truth.

To them, AND to most conservatives, it's just part of the game. The truth is the football we fling back and forth is part of the play. The truth doesn't matter - its getting perception to either goal-line.

Even if you do get a principled democrat and republican to sit and objectively discuss the truth, the "yeah, buts" start flying.

We are creatures to the gamebook the two parties give us. We fight each other while they do what they want to enslave us.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:04 AM, Blogger nanc said...

gracia burnham is everything her first name implies - graceful. although i've not read her book have seen her in several interviews in the last couple of years. one tough cookie.

as for islam - not a tree aow - more like a poisonous weed that goes unchecked until it takes everything you have to eradicate it. i wonder if we have what it takes.

iran threatening our eternal home - AGAIN - this morning.

as you all know, my favorite t.v. pastor/teacher, zola levitt, died this previous month and i received the last news letter he was a part of before he left this world. it is a MUST read:

www.levitt.com

just go to levitt letter - it's pdf, but well worth the time. NOW IS THE TIME.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:33 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

TMW and Nanc,
I read some excerpts from that book quite a while back. I might have heard of it through Voice of the Martyrs.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:34 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
The tentacles are spread throughout the world. That is not to say that we shouldn't hold accountable the pc msm and the universities which spout the propaganda "religion of peace." We must also not let up on our elected representatives; the enemy is well organized with regard to the political game.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:45 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

LNAML,
If the doings of the Islamofascists were told in full, the alarm would be sounded.

"Conflict," "insurgents," "rebels" are all euphemisms designed to mask the truth.

Furthermore, as long as all Muslims read and literally believe the Koran, Islamofascism will proliferate.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:55 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

"According to this source, the documents had been examined by the U.S. intelligence community and judged "consistent with authentic documents"--the professionals' way of saying that these items cannot definitively be certified but seem to be the real thing."

So they are a little better than the Niger yellowcake forgeries.

Interesting that a reputable journal like Foreign Affairs didn't mention this nonsense.

Why would Hussein bother supporting a bunch of kidnap for hire thugs who couldn't make the 'A" team. Hussein apparently was a small time thinker unlike bin Laden.

 
At 5/02/2006 10:01 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

AOW, your readers may be interested in the lead from a responsible journal like Foreign Affairs when covering a topic.

"Conflict has plagued the southern islands of the Philippines since 1566, when Spanish forces, fresh from centuries of war against Muslims in their homeland, found their traditional enemies in their new colony. Muslim ferocity and Spanish torpor combined to leave Mindanao unconquered, but the reflexive Spanish hostility toward Muslims was passed on to Christian Filipinos, and Muslims responded in kind."


They do go on to mention Qadaffi in the 70's but Hussein is absent.

At any rate I would suggest familiarizing yourself with periodicals thhat can take a wider view than your current news sources.

 
At 5/02/2006 10:34 AM, Blogger nanc said...

coming to a neighborhood near you, plucky - will you go softly into dhimmitude? will you renounce everything you believe and go quietly? what is it exactly you don't see regarding this threat called islam? there is no moderate islam - only those muslims like lazy christians who have not read their instruction manuals.

when they see with their own eyes what is required of them, only then do they move from the moderate stance to the radical stance - and that is so plain, so simple - CONVERT OR KILL!

 
At 5/02/2006 10:36 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

"INTELLIGENCE SOURCES SAY VALERIE WILSON WAS PART OF AN OPERATION THREE YEARS AGO TRACKING THE PROLIFERATION OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS MATERIAL INTO IRAN. AND THE SOURCES ALLEGE THAT WHEN MRS. WILSON'S COVER WAS BLOWN, THE ADMINISTRATION'S ABILITY TO TRACK IRAN'S NUCLEAR AMBITIONS WAS DAMAGED AS WELL."


I'd take a look at recent releases from the grand jury and give them some weight rather than wasting time with loony conspiracy theories.

 
At 5/02/2006 10:37 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I am aware of the long-standing conflict between Muslims and Filipinos. But what's going on there now, the battle with the "new Islamofascism," dates back to 1978 or so.

the reflexive Spanish hostility toward Muslims

Historical basis for that portion of your comment. Spain lived under the boot of the Moor from 711-1492. It is a myth that all the caliphs were tolerant and, in truth, the rules of dhimmitude prevailed.

BTW, I am a Spanish major and have read loads of medieval literature from Spain, in the original Spanish. And some of the methods of the Inquistion derived from the techniques used upon the Iberians when those Iberians would not submit to Islam.

Off to work now!

 
At 5/02/2006 11:33 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Well nanc, maybe my rationale is something like this...there is a threat from Wahabist wackjobs.

In order to counter a threat you must think clearly and use the appropriate level of force.

This is a police and intelligence matter. Full scale military force (ineffective since World War II and a pox on all nations of the world) is not effective action. Failing to recognize the enemy and assuming it is all muslims is ineffective and wrong and allowing yourself to be led by the nose rather than giving this matter as level headed an analysis as you can is also foolish.

My own belief is that when evangelical Christians get involved they are acting from a postition of eschatology (i.e. nonsense) and a natural distaste for anything that claims to be a "truer" religion than thumper Protestantism.

I consider both parties to be threats .

 
At 5/02/2006 11:49 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Ducky

Has it ever crossed your mind that this is about more then Israel ?
The goal of Islam like that of Communism is global hegemony.

 
At 5/02/2006 12:16 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

Can you believe that there are still people who don't believe that we are in a Global War against terrorism. Look around at all the hot spots (fighting/genocide/murdering) and in 90% of them, Islamic terrorist are at the core.

 
At 5/02/2006 12:22 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

Ducky..you don't like yellow cake?
I wouldn't call Saddam Hussein a small thinker, he had a country to suppress occupying a lot of his time.

 
At 5/02/2006 12:32 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Beak, why did you bring up Israel? Why the fixation?

I have told you several times that I don't particularly care about israel. It's population is no more or less worthy of concern than the millions we are harming in iraq.

 
At 5/02/2006 12:58 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

"The millions we are harming in Iraq"

Now there's an overstatement. Most of the civilian casualties are the result of indiscriminate attacks made by insurgents not from the occasional bombing of a wrong target.

Don't get carried awayby last night's game. Sox fans never seem to understand that the division isn't decided in May.

 
At 5/02/2006 1:15 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Ah yes, Ducky attacks the "thumpers" again. As if there is an equivalency between mohammahdens and Christians. As there are several "thumpers" who hang out at this site, have any threatened you with beheading? Don't go back to the Inquisition now, we are discussing the present! When was the last time a Christian threatened to behead anyone? When is the last time Christians threatened or did burn down an embassy? Or threatened to roll some other nation into the sea? Hmmm? I can't hear you! When have the lives of cartoonists or artists been threatened with death? Well?

tmw

 
At 5/02/2006 1:16 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

For those that don't know, the "Foreign Affairs" journal that Ducky talks about can be found here.

"Foreign Affairs" is the official website of the Council on Foreign Relations. These are the guys that excused communism, have striven to kill nationalism in all forms, and pursue an "America is the welfare provider of the world" strategy.

They support open borders, LAUGH at the millions of job losses due to manufacturing moves to foreign countries as "a few weeks of job gains in other areas," deride France (France!) for retaining too much nationalism to assimilate into the EU, and positively CROW when Israel gives up territory and shows signs of weakness.

All of the greatest leaders of our country, both democrat and republican are members of this disgusting institution. This is why I keep saying there's no damned difference in the two parties. Both bastard parties laugh at us while they steer the country further and further from the liberties the founding fathers gave us.

I DO suggest reading the CFR site. It is illustrative of the total contempt that the politicians have for the American voter.

 
At 5/02/2006 1:17 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky and his "thumpers" is just using the democratic playbook of blaming a core constituency of the opposing side.

Even he doesn't believe it.

 
At 5/02/2006 1:29 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

In fact, I'm rather surprised Ducky is adhering to "Foreign Affairs" so well. He always struck me as more independent minded - not a kool-aid drinker.

 
At 5/02/2006 1:34 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

merry widow, the two Syrian families up the street haven't threatened to behead me either. They have offered Arabic lessons to my niece in exchange for help with English. Nice people, good neighbors.

I am aware of potential threats...a legitimate terrorist lived two streets over from me and was executed in Jordan.

I will reiterate that your delusional paranoia regarding islam is centered on a need for the extremes of Protestantism and Islam to present themselves as the one true way. Both are extremely dangerous.

 
At 5/02/2006 1:36 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

mussolini, I try to read a spectrum of periodicals. I admit that Foreign Affairs peeved me when they were regularly publishing noted fascist Max Boot but they do a fairly good job of presenting engaging articles.

 
At 5/02/2006 1:52 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

American Crusader, two on in the eighth and you don't have anyone who can pitch to Big Poppy? Could be a long season.

Please note that the classy fenway Faithful were throwing money at Joyhnny "Douchebag" Damon not batteries. Although I must admit that in my many trips down the cross Bronx I have never been hit with anything except food products at the stadium.

 
At 5/02/2006 1:56 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky, I can't help but be fascinated with Foreign Affairs, but much like I would be facinated over an extremely large, and digsuting insect.

Does it bother you that they intend to use America, through NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA, and eventually AFTA for the purposes of social welfare at OUR expense?

I see this as distinctly anti-American, and of course they are very anti-nationalist, but what happened to our leaders "defending the constitution"? The damn rotted paper is dead!

 
At 5/02/2006 2:08 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Mussolini,

I'm not certain of the equivalence you place upon the Democratic and Republican Parties. The Democratic Party has, since its inception in the early 1800s, been an organization solely dedicated to the twin goals of destroying the US Constitution and putting large numbers of dark-skinned people to death. Republicans don't have such starkly ignoble origins.

Although if 2008 comes down to a Hillary Clinton vs. John McCain contest for President, I'm probably going to stay home from the polls. I'm not anti-Hillary enough to vote for John McCain, and vice versa.

 
At 5/02/2006 2:10 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Well mussolini,their last couple issues have had iraq front and center.

Please remember that I am a socialist and do not get upset with the idea of social welfare. I do support a complete epeal of NAFTA and I feel it is the source of a lot of the illegal immigrant problem.

I don't not believe that nationalism has anything to do with defending the Constitution. I consider laissez-faire capitalism (the kind Jason Pappas loves, the kind that shows we haven't learned anything since 1880) to be contrary to basic rights.

Hell, iranians are nationalists. That's agood part of the problem. We blocked a democratic movement by letting Chucklenuts talk tough and stir up their nationalism. Yes, i believe nationalism is driving the bus there, not Islam. You have a population that's average age is under 35 and they aren't to keen on wahabism.

 
At 5/02/2006 2:26 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky: I regretted hitting "publish" because I was a bit vague.

I know you're a socialist. I know you hold to social welfare. But do you like the idea that America is being used as social welfare for OTHER countries and WE as American citizens are forced to bear the cost?

Beamish: Lincoln was the first republican president, in name, and pursued the abrogation of our constitutional rights. From the very beginning.

I hold both in equal contempt. Slight shades of domestic degree, a few taxes and abortion, do not make a difference in my book. Both republicans and democrats are growing this country as fast as they can. Even the 94 republicans, long dead, were proponents of federal government.

We have not had anyone interested in returning this country to the intent of the constitution and/or the restoration of states rights.

They're both complicit and both playing a "game" of rhetoric. With a dominant republican majority in congress and the executive, where is this country headed? Solid, accelerating federal growth.

Deny it.

 
At 5/02/2006 2:28 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Beamish: maybe to be a tad more specific...

Both the republicans and democrats are taking us down the same path. Just with slightly different flavors of kool-aid.

Is this satisfactory?

 
At 5/02/2006 2:31 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

mussolini, you are undoubtedly referring to illegal immigration. I will remind you that as we pick up the costs those that want a cheap labor force without any ability to organize or complain at all are doing fine.

Remember the Bush mantra:
Capital gets the profit
Labor gets the costs

You won't go far wrong with that one. One of my constant peeves is the American rights complete inability to vote in their own interest.

 
At 5/02/2006 3:03 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky - no wasn't picking on illegals - that's another topic.

NAFTA, let's say, reduces trade barriers. American manufacturers now close plants and fire 3 million American workers. The manufacturer now goes down to Mexico and opens up the same factory. The same product is made and then shipped here for consumption. American dollars are now supporting the Mexican worker at the expense of our own.

In effect, these "trade programs" have had the effect of forcing the American consumer to provide jobs and benefits to foreigners at a loss (expense) to us.

Levis, for example, used to be made in the US. They sold for $50. The plants closed here and reopened in Mexico. The same jeans cost far less to produce but still cost $50. The company pockets the difference but the American worker is out of a job and the mexican worker now sees an increase in living style.

This is social engineering. At our expense. The CFR pursues this to raise the standard of living in Central and South America by divesting US of OUR jobs and giving them to non-Americans.

The CFR laughs at American job losses and waves it all away with the notion that we'll just make other jobs.

If this were happening in America for Americans benefit, then I wouldn't be angry.

So I'm specifically talking about foreign relations here. Why are WE responsible for non-tax-paying foreigners?

 
At 5/02/2006 3:05 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

kidnappings for ransom, bombings, beheadings, assassinations, and extortion...Hmmm a day in the life of an Izlamo facist eh AOW?..good God.

 
At 5/02/2006 3:18 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

I disagree mussolini .... the standard of living is not being raised in countries like Mexico.

Real wages were rising in Mexico before NAFTA but have since leveled off and (as in America) declined.

Oh well, we sort of agree. i always feel its easier to come to agreement with a true conservative than with a liberal (n.b. I'm a leftist).

 
At 5/02/2006 3:27 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Ducky

I bring up the history of Communism and the 100,000,000 killed and you bring up Israel. You are in denial about Communist genocide, militant Islam , Communist Front Groups, your own anti semitism and basic economics.

You bring up Israel on posts that have zero to do with Israel. I guess AOW, Warren and Jason are all non Jewish Kahanist too. Other then Esther, Mad Zionist and myself there are no other Jews in our group to the best of my knowledge.

 
At 5/02/2006 3:42 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

On the eternal issue of the size of the federal government, I've always observed that when Democrats claim to have "shrank" the size of the federal government, it is after they've cut a swath through the number of military personnel while amping up domestic law enforcement. (They'll get around Posse Comitatus somehow...)

On the other hand, when Republicans claim to have "shrank" the size of the federal government, it is after they've slashed production and market regulations and restrictions on the private sector.

Looking through the toilet paper roll tube from the other side, we clearly see that Democrats believe government is a gun (can't let the people have those!) to rule the masses and Republicans believe government is a business expense.

Both spend the same insane amount of money on needless domestic and international social welfare bullshit.

The libertarian in me ain't happy with either of the two's narrow focus, but the conservative in me at least recognizes that the Republicans keep America in the world game.

 
At 5/02/2006 3:49 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

I would venture to say that the lack of news items of beheadings and other terribly violent acts commited in the name of Allah are excused from Media coverage because they have become old hat. As is true with so many things in the U.S. media, they overexpose people to horrors that eventually de-sensatize the public. Now, a beheading is just another one of those "things" that you may read about in the paper. Once America got over the intial shock that it was common place in Muslim countries, the leftists were given back their ability to rationalize true evil (people) that leads down a path of religious based moralism, and they could once again side-track everyone to their percieved evil (events/things) that lead down the path to secularism.

In other words, the over exposure has allowed the public to stop thinking things that people do repeatedly are still as shocking as the first time they saw it, so instead they can focus on the "important" things like Global Warming and World Hunger... after all, those are the really "evil" things in life, not various religious and moral views that differ from ours right?

Good Grief.

 
At 5/02/2006 4:00 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

G,

Aye, the graveyard, the great equalizer.

 
At 5/02/2006 5:47 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

G,
Your hiatus is over? I hope so!

 
At 5/02/2006 6:04 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I haven't yet had time to read all the comments here, but I wanted to post the following, in case someone wants to check it out.

From this source and by Irshad Manji:

...The weapons of mass destruction have been found. They’re people with unshakeable faith in the coming showdown between good and evil. Left in their hands, the world is heading for a clash of Armageddons.

Irshad Manji is a Fellow at Yale University and author of The Trouble with Islam Today: A Wake-Up Call for Reform in Her Faith.

The entire article is worth reading.

 
At 5/02/2006 6:35 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

AOW,
The terrorism we face is STATE funded and we should not have any illusions whatsoever about it.
To pick Iraq (as an example)out of many other Muslim states was smart bacause it had a potential to become a "democracy".
Unfortunately the implementation od the "very general plan" has been lousy.
Why?
Because people who are in charge of the implementation don't understand that "democracy" doesn't start on political level (voting rights etc.) but on getting people involved in very basic decisions which can make them better off.

 
At 5/02/2006 7:27 PM, Blogger FLORIAN said...

Hi all! Nice blog AOW. I read that Iran had "found" uranium deposits in their Zagros mountain region today. These mullahs keep pushing their luck with the rest of the world. I wonder if anybody besides us bloggers cares what is going on in the ME. Like Neal Boortz always says--American Idol is on tonight.

 
At 5/02/2006 7:39 PM, Blogger nanc said...

hey flo! you're everywhere today - i saw you slaying dragons over at fpm. are you the only one left speaking to eggnesto?

aow - hope you don't mind - beak and i recommended your site above others as a great place for flo to get some insight - he's a diamond in the rough.

O.T. aow - please check your e-mail - thanks ahead of time.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:05 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Florian,
Welcome! I'll stop by your site as my schedule and carpal tunnel allow.

My blog is a great place to meet people. Hope you enjoy visiting here.

These mullahs keep pushing their luck with the rest of the world.

The mullahs have always exerted their power. Nothing like using the "word of allah" to hold onto power. Have you ever read Mitchener's Caravans? Michener was certainly no Islamophobe, but he did his research well and told the story.

From the bit I know, the ME is rich in uranium deposits. Or so said Mahdi Obeidi, author of The Bomb in My Garden; i heard him speak in March, 2005.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:28 PM, Blogger FLORIAN said...

Carpal tunnel AOW? From all these years blogging I'm sure. I've never read Mitchner's Caravans, I'll certainly check it out. We'll see how this plays out. Problems in Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan could boil over. All we can do is pray.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:29 PM, Blogger FLORIAN said...

No nanc I also joined the boycott of eggnesto.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:34 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Florian,
I've been blogging for only about a year--my blogoversary was April 28. But years of piano playing is also a factor.

Of course, I HAVE been blogging with a frenzy. LOL.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:53 PM, Blogger nanc said...

good flo - now nobody's talking to him!

 
At 5/02/2006 10:31 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

The siren song of television whispers to us ideas and opinions of no merit, filling our cognizance with awareness equivalent in IQ to lukewarm oatmeal.
The insidious drivel that filters through our eyes captivates and mesmerizes while the villainy of our world corrodes everything around us.
There is no defense against this vile evil, no innoculation, no condom that can be placed on the television tube for protection.. No, there is no defense. The disease is fatal. There is no way to stop it...
except for the power button.

I spend less than a half hour per day viewing the pure dog-vomit the television offers.

 
At 5/02/2006 11:16 PM, Blogger Mike's America said...

AOW: Oh how I wish I had gotten onto this thread earlier.

But after reading sooooo muuuucccchhhhh BS from Ducky, where could I even start to untangle that mess?

He must have thrown the entire book of Michael Moore talking points into the word processor and just uploaded them one by one.

Niger yellowcake forgeries? Get serious! Those were never important to the Niger story. Probably done by people trying to discredit the truth, which is that the sixteen words in Bush's State of the Union address: "The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa" was an accurate statement.

Your complete indifference to the vast and growing catalog of contacts, funding, training that Saddam had with terrorists in general and Al Queda in particular is evidence that you lack any credibility in discussing these vital life and death issues.

Try reading the UNANIMOUS Senate Intell Report and UNANIMOUS 9/11 Commission Report, both of which described the links we are now learning more about.

What a lame ducky!

 
At 5/03/2006 1:36 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

The Clinton regime bombed out an "aspirin factory" in the Sudan owned by Al Qaeda that was making sarin gas for Iraq.

At least, that's what they said.

 
At 5/03/2006 2:57 AM, Blogger beakerkin said...

AOW

When you read Caravans look for the comment by a Mitchner characher
that says either the Russians or Americans will bomb us back to the stone age.

You also meet the many ethnicities of Afghanistan and pedastry was a part of local culture.

 
At 5/03/2006 3:42 AM, Blogger OSONSFORLIBERTY said...

AS FAR AS FUNDING FOR ABU SAYAF, IT IS NOT ONLY COMING FROM MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES, BUT FROM MALAYSIA AND INDONESIA AS WELL. I WORKED IN THE PHILLIPINES IN 96..97, ON MINDINOA ISLAND FOR A MINING COMPANY,AND AT THAT TIME THE LOCAL PEOPLE OF CHRISTIAN FAITH WERE STILL FAIRLY SAFE, ALTHOUGH IT WAS BEGINNING TO DETERIORATE. AS THINGS GOT WORSE THE ABU TERRORISTS BEGAN TO ATTACK CHURCHES AND DESECRATE THEM. IN ONE INSTANCE THEY SACKED A CATHOLIC AND DEFECATED ON THE ALTER! THEY ARE INTO KIDNAPPING LOCAL WOMEN OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH AND KEEPING THEM AS SEX SLAVES TO SERVICE THEIR GUERILLA CELLS. WHEN THE GIRLS NO LONGER COOPERATE THEIR THROATS ARE SLIT. IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN FROM WELL TO DO CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU ARE ASKED TO PAY PROTECTION MONEY. IF YOU REFUSE , YOU SUFFER A NASTY FATE. MY LAST 2 MONTHS THERE , I NEVER WENT WENT ANYWHERE UNARMED, OR WITHOUT MY NEGRITO BODYGUARDS. IT WAS RECENTLY VOTED ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACES ON EARTH FOR PEOPLE FROM WESTERN COUNTRIES. BEFORE THIS SCOURGE OF ISLAMIC HEATHENS STARTED TROUBLE THERE , EVERYBODY LIVED IN PEACE. IT IS RICH IN MINERALS AND HAS AN ABUNDANCE OF AGRICULTRE. THE HEATHENS HAVE A SLIGHT MAJORITY ON THE SOUTHERN TIP OF THE ISLAND, WITH THE REST A CATHOLIC MAJORITY.

 
At 5/03/2006 3:48 AM, Blogger Shah Alexander said...

Saddam can make any kind of coalitions against the Free World. Let me quote Tony Blair's speech at the Foreign Policy Centre in London.

“True the conventional view is that, for example, Iran is hostile to Al Qaida and therefore would never support its activities. But as we know from our own history of conflict, under the pressure of battle, alliances shift and change. Fundamentally, for this ideology, we are the enemy.”

“‘We’ is not the West. … but those who believe in religious tolerance, openness to others, to democracy, liberty and human rights administered by secular courts."

Tony Blair is right! Those who are against the Free World can make any kind of alliances.

 
At 5/03/2006 7:29 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

C'mon SA,

You describe a world where every individual nation pursues temporal policies that support their own percieved national interests, irrespective of whatever comic book "America bad / non-American good" style exercise in assembling words into patterns indistinguishable from absurdity that a typical leftist might espouse.

You describe the world correctly.

 
At 5/03/2006 8:58 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

NOTICE TO COMMENTERS,
I have a heavy work schedule, but don't think that I've forgotten to come back here and read all comments.

I plan to leave this posting as the most recent until late Thursday night or early Friday morning.

While I'm intermittently around, I hope that every commenter will scroll up to read what O Sons For Liberty had to say! OSFL worked in the Philippines.

Work beckons. Gotta run.

 
At 5/03/2006 11:25 AM, Blogger nanc said...

a very enlightening post oson. i grew up in san diego with many philipino kids from military families - i remember how they missed their country as it seems 35-40 years ago what you say is happening was unheard of. sad.

aow - missive your way. thanks.

 
At 5/03/2006 11:44 AM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

Oson, that is so "Muslim is Evil" yesterday... they need to do something really nasty (aka more shocking and new) to get widespread media coverage... otherwise, you MUST understand that you have to be more tolerant and understanding that it's the poverty and oppression making them do that, not anyone specifically "evil"...

 
At 5/03/2006 12:41 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Yeah, it's always F-ing "poverty" that causes muslims to behead 4 year-olds.

>.<

 
At 5/03/2006 2:07 PM, Blogger nanc said...

aow - my first post is up:

http://longrange.blogspot.com/

 
At 5/03/2006 3:30 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

State funded terrorism? Why does it need state funding?

The London bombings cost about 10 grand max. A freakin' valet parking attendent can get up that kind of front money. The bombs were made from standard everday kitchen materials.

9-11 is estimated at around half a million to a million. You hardly need a state to fund that. Any oil shiek will do.

State funding? You folks certainly are a crew of maroons. paranoia strike deep, indeed.

 
At 5/03/2006 3:58 PM, Blogger OSONSFORLIBERTY said...

G; YOU HAVE BEEN DRINKING MUSLIM HOGWASH!! THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL!!! I WAS THERE! NOTHING PROVOKED THEM INTO BEING TERRORISTS BUT THAT NASTY FALSE RELIGION, THEY ALL CELEBRATE! WAKE UP!!!! THEY LIVED IN HARMONY WITH THEIR CHRISTIAN NEIGHBORS UNTIL THE THUGS SHOWED UP AND STARTED TO PREACH HATE! MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO THERE AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. ALTHOUGH YOUR PROBALY A MUSLIM RIGHT? IF YOUR A LIBERAL WELL, YOU MIGHT ENJOY YOUR STAY FOR A DAY OR TWO................ MAYBE.........

 
At 5/03/2006 4:01 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Oh, come on Ducky. You know where this money comes from.

The typical muslim donates to a muslim "charity" which distributes the money to various causes, including terrorism (holy jihad).

Don't let the fact that muslim charities are strictly controlled by the host governments escape you.

Thus, state-sponsored. They know where the money goes and they could stop it at any time.

It's like the US with the Iran Contra deals. State sponsored.

 
At 5/03/2006 4:09 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

Mussolini said...
Yeah, it's always F-ing "poverty" that causes muslims to behead 4 year-olds.

It seems left wingers or buy into any excuse for Islamic radicalism except the truth.

 
At 5/03/2006 4:12 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Great one example of state-sponsored terrorism ducky
So you believe that from this one example there is no state-sponsored terrorism?
Step into reality...

 
At 5/03/2006 4:15 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

Branches of the same tree...we've been saying this all along havent we AOW?!..is anyone out there listening?

 
At 5/03/2006 4:58 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

lol, btw Oson, I should have mentioned the sarcasim dripping... sorry for the misunderstanding.

Hey, Ducky has a point, it's not all state funded... well, except for where you concider Islam a "state" since it acts as one in most instances.

 
At 5/03/2006 6:09 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

The typical muslim donates to a muslim "charity" which distributes the money to various causes, including terrorism (holy jihad).

Mussolini, do you remeber how quickly Libia wanted to join the "nice guys league" after the air strike?
This was also a lesson to other states sponsoring terror and they do not do it as openly as before.
Still, Hamas is funded by Syria and Hizballah by Iran.
Not a secret.

 
At 5/03/2006 7:53 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Yes, I do.

Sometimes I think Qaddafi is just a megalomaniac with little to do with Islam - or in other words, just using Islam for power.

He seems to have sense. Nutcases in Iran do not.

 
At 5/03/2006 9:12 PM, Blogger FLORIAN said...

Qaddafi a megalomaniac? Well sort of. He is only just a Colonel--not even a Brigadier General--much less a 4 star. Nontheless, he does have sense since right after 9/11 he seems to have continuously wet his pants over America's response to the attacks. Iran is led by a cabal of suicidal mullahs who don't care what happens to their country if they carry out attacks on Israel. The former President of Iran is quoted as saying "if we lose 100 million muslims in exchange for the destruction of Israel it would be worth it". How can you rationalize with these kind of nut jobs?

 
At 5/04/2006 2:37 AM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Yup Qaddafi is up there with Syria and Fatah. They only use Islamic terrorism for their own purposes.

Look how devout Saddam is these days.

 
At 5/04/2006 3:32 AM, Blogger OSONSFORLIBERTY said...

G, MY APOLOGIES SINCERLY! IF I WOULD,NT HAVE HAD A DUMB ATTACK,AND I,D HAVE LOOKED AT YOUR PROFILE,AND SEEN THE MARINE BANNER,I,D HAVE PROBALY FIGURED IT OUT.... SORRY. I,M EX ARMY (CANADIAN) P.P.C.L.I. AND AIRBORNE. I RAN AWAY FROM HOME TO JOIN THE MARINES WHEN I WAS 16, BUT WHEN I GOT DOWN TO MINOT NORTH DAKOTA, THE RECRUITER TOLD ME TO GO HOME, (was,nt a u.s. citizen). AND TOO YOUNG AND DUMB!!! I SPENT A YEAR AT BRAGG WITH THE 82d ON A EXCHANGE TOUR. BEST YEAR OF MY LIFE!!! IT WAS WHILE I WAS THERE I CAME TO REALIZE THAT THE U.S. IS SUCH A WONDERFUL COUNTRY BECAUSE HER PEOPLE ARE SO BRAVE!!!! SEMPER FI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
At 5/04/2006 9:44 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

American Crusader, I believe that the Saudis are behind a lot of crap.

I also seperate Israel and America. I don't live in Israel and frankly don't give a crap if someone paid the family of a bomber.

I will stick to my assertion that states don't have to sponsor terrorism. The money and materials can be had by free lancers and that is what you are seeing.

That is also the reason that large scale military action is a failure and actually counter productive.

 
At 5/04/2006 10:30 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Good observation on Qaddafi, mussolini.

He's pretty much like Bush. Qadaffi goes through the motions with his muslim piety and Chucklenuts scams the thumper suckers.

Same deal.

 
At 5/04/2006 12:29 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Florian, absolutely. How can you negotiate with people who are willing to spend however many of their own citizens as it takes to achieve their goal when we wring our hands over a single death?

We will not face Iran. The leading figures of the CFR are saying (read it on CFR.org last night under "Iran") that military action is not an option and that Iran poses no threat to anyone's security that they feel like recognizing. Or, in other words, "Israel doesn't matter."

Bush is a CFR member and so are all the democratic 2008 hopefuls.

Iran will develop the bomb and the US will do nothing. So says the CFR, so goes American policy.

Apparently we'll deal with Iran AFTER they strike whoever they strike. But until then, dirty evil America will sit back and not prevent the atrocity.

 
At 5/04/2006 12:40 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

"I will stick to my assertion that states don't have to sponsor terrorism. The money and materials can be had by free lancers and that is what you are seeing."

How would you explain the Taliban in Afghanistan? Not only did they support terrorist by giving them safe haven they allowed training camps inside their borders.
Iran gives direct aid to several terrorist organizations. Iran provides funding, safe haven, training, and weapons for Lebanon-based Hezbollah and Palestinian terrorist groups Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command.
Maybe I don't understand your definition of state-sponsored terrorism.

 
At 5/04/2006 12:44 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

"I also seperate Israel and America."

I think everybody does ducky. I know that I am a much stronger supporter of Israel than you are but I understand that our countries often have different agendas.
The only people who might not see a difference are those who fall for those Jewish conspiracy theories.

 
At 5/04/2006 12:57 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

American Crusader, stop it. Training camps? Yeah, I've seen the guys on the jungle gym. Bunch of rag tag clowns. Just what were they trining for.

Give them lessons on how to get on a city bus. They have never seen one,that would be training.

Do the Indonesian bombers have Afghani connections, Madrid subway? London subway? World Trade Center? Any of those operations carried off by a schmuck running the jungle gym with a Chicom?

Afghanistan did give Osama a cave and we chose NOT TO CAPTURE HIM. Now what the bleep was that all about. Something funny about Tora Bora and the "training camps" that were vacant went Clinton hit them with missiles.

Training camps...I'll say one thing. They're good for stirring up the paranoid over at FPM. Right now you have a campaign of radical ideas that can be picked up by any alienated muslim kid anywhere. They have the means to carry out the attacks we have seen and Chucklenuts has been creating them in numbers that Osama wouldn't have dreamed possible.

 
At 5/04/2006 2:10 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Hmmm

So the Duck advocates terror as long as it is against Jews er Israelis. Sorry there Duck but its attitudes like yours that got us into this mess.

When you don't have the facts add a Conspiracy.

Islamic terror has gone on for too long and we should have stopped it years ago. The familiar moral equivalency game doesn't work. Lets see Fanon described suicide bombing as a cultural variant. Bat Yeor is a hate monger although I have never read a vowel of hers.

Moral equivalency ends up with all of us in a sewer Duck. As you are a Marxist you will nationalize the sewer as well.

 
At 5/04/2006 2:16 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Yeah Qaddafi is just like Bush, good observation. I see you are using your superior misinformation skills today Ducky.

You see Bush relies on Christian fundamentalism to justify the outlawing alcohol and gambling just like Qaddafi. Not to mention those Christian suicide bombers are becoming a menace.

Ducky your scare tactics and exaggeration make you lose all credibility.

By the way you dont just turn people into terrorists thru alleged oppression. They must be already inclined to such behavior before becoming terrorists.

This happens when people are raised in a hateful societies with respected authority figures bent on promoting their political agenda through terrorism.

It is no surprise that the 9/11 terrorists and most of the foreign terrorists are middle class and educated individuals. They are educated to hate.

If you were right then Tibet would be rife with terrorists and they are not.

The problem is with Islamist theology. People like you are the best Al Qaeda recruiters. You give them the hope that their effots will succeed because they cannot succeed militarily.

They need people like you in the West to support their aims. Useful Tools...

 
At 5/04/2006 2:19 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Beak, please compose yourself. Of course it should be stopped but the question is how to do that.

Number one - Military operations are virtually useless, especially when you have a republican president like Ron "Senile" Raygun, George "Sure keep your attack helicopters" Bush I or Chucklenuts. You must rely on policing and intelligence. Good intelligence requires allies -- Chucklenuts hasn't been helpful in building alliances.

I'm quite sure that B'at Shite is not a security specialist.

Kahanist pigs are as bad as wahabist militants. No culture is pure.

 
At 5/04/2006 2:22 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky: You mentioned the Indonesian muslims and lack of "state support."

You mentioned OBL and how he's singing Mariah Carey songs about all the new recruits we've given him.

In other posts, you mention that the islamic threat (despite the admitted vile out of SA), is basically a bogeyman.

If the Indonesian muslims who are beheading little children are not a) funded by a "state sponsor", or b) lackeys of OBL, then what other excuse could there be for the sick atrocities except a sick religion?

My contention is that Islam, all by itself, is not a "bogeyman" but a credible threat to all free peoples.

 
At 5/04/2006 2:30 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Please note that the Indonesian organization has been hunted down. They aren't mounting a serious threat and the state is hunting them down much as A;lgeria and Egypt btutally hunted down radicals.

Radical islamists have done more violence to muslims than to westerners. Learn it !

You have a bunch of freelancers out there and you need quality policing and intelligence to block them, not a bunch of brainwashed U.S. Marines singing "Freedom isn't free" and trying to do a house to house in a country where they are acting out of revenge and don't know the language and customs. Those dickheads cause you just as much trouble as the militant arab teenager.

 
At 5/04/2006 2:58 PM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

'Radical islamists have done more violence to muslims than to westerners. Learn it !'

Numerically speaking, I don't doubt it but it is the intentions of these radical Islamist that we need to be aware of. Their intentions are to disrupt all Islamic secular governments and put in place in Islamist state. Once they have attained that goal, they will turn all their attentions towards the West.
This should be obvious.

 
At 5/04/2006 3:01 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

It should be obvious. That's why we invaded secular iraq, right?

 
At 5/04/2006 3:25 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Ducky

The time for negotiations is over.
Arabs have plenty of real estate but need more. The question of who is land greedy and blood thirsty is obvious.

I will let the Kahanist label slide as this is in vouge amongst your commie peers along with calling Jews Likudnicks. This is more of a pattern of your anti semitism. FYI Kahanists did not fly the planes into the WTC or hijack airplanes. More attempt at moral equivalency by a Commie apologist for genocide. Who rounded up Muslims and put them on cattle cars to slave labor camps.

Jeaopardy music Ducky ......

Warren will be the guest of honor at this weekends cyber roast.

Hmmm some people arrested in the Big Dig. Maybe If John Communist and Teddy "Swimmer" Kennedy did not drain so much money on a wasteful project the NO Levees could have been boosted.

 
At 5/04/2006 4:00 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Actually beak .... the Big Dig had a heavy Republican presence. Andrew Natsios lifted a bundle and he's heady Iraqi "reconstruction" right now.

Think about it.

 
At 5/04/2006 4:30 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Hmmm

Who led the pork to get mounds of money for the project ? How does the dynamic duo who obtained the pork bear no responsability ?

 
At 5/04/2006 4:41 PM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

Here's a bit of wisdom from Ducky, "Military operations are virtually useless"

You love dogging Reagan (who I am not too fond of either), but it was Reagan's air attack against Libya that made them behave themselves. Sure he made a lot of noise, but time took care of him and his security forces went on the defensive to end up eventually capitulating to the US.

The only thing that keeps the Iraqi insurgency bottled up in 3 provinces is the US military. Without US military power Saddam would still be the CEO of Murder Inc, instead of being tried in an Iraqi court. It was American military power that kept the streets safe for two national elections and a referendum on the Iraqi Constitution.

Without military power how would we have evicted Saddam from Kuwait and Hitler from Poland?

Grow up. Military power is not pretty and not even desirable, but is absolutely necessary in the face of the fascists that you protect...

P.S. your comment about Iraqi secularity ignores the history of Saddam's Faith Campaign in the 90s when he tried to manipulate Islamic bigotry for his own ends.

How can you use such an argument in the case of a madman who considered himself to be the new Saladin? He clearly used Islamic bigotry as much as the secular Syrians do. Baathists of all stripes use a combination of Arab Nationalism and exploitation of Islamist bigotry to advance their goals of personal enrichment and the pursuit of power.

 
At 5/04/2006 5:30 PM, Blogger nanc said...

AOW - PLEASE CHECK YOUR MAIL!

 
At 5/04/2006 5:51 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Philanthopy from Ducky:

I don't live in Israel and frankly don't give a crap if someone paid the family of a bomber.

Not a whole lot to say about the above--it speaks for itself.

Very likely truth from Ducky:

I believe that the Saudis are behind a lot of crap.

And the Saudis are nothing less than state-sponsored ideological and financial supporters of terrorism. I see no politicians willing to expose the Saudi regime as overt or complicit Wahabbists.

It is foolhardy to think that attacks of terrorism are carried out by isolated nutjobs and, at the same time, assert conspiracy on the part of the Right.

 
At 5/04/2006 5:53 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Ducky,
Please note that the Indonesian organization has been hunted down. They aren't mounting a serious threat and the state is hunting them down much as A;lgeria and Egypt btutally hunted down radicals.

I think that many Indonesians would disagree with the first part of that statement, especially the parent of beheaded Indonesian schoolchildren. As to Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood, under different label, is sitting in Parliament.

 
At 5/04/2006 5:55 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Florian,
Qaddafi is a megalomaniac, as was Saddam. Both know/knew how to rally the Muslims by unifying them through the use of the Koran. I don't see either of them as devout, but I do see both of them manipulators who well know how to hold onto power.

 
At 5/04/2006 6:03 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Crusader,
Traditionally, Muslims will unite against a common enemy. The various terrorist organizations will put aside their differences so as to further their goal of Islam dominating the world--that concept is consistent with the Koran and the Hadith.

 
At 5/04/2006 6:07 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
Apparently we'll deal with Iran AFTER they strike whoever they strike.

I believe that to be correct. But I think there's more to it than CFR.

 
At 5/04/2006 6:25 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mike's America,
Sorry for all the hip-deep wading you had to do.

Don't you know that only the Right is capable of conspiracy? (sarcasm)

 
At 5/04/2006 6:35 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

Muslim states are either "family business" or theocracies. With the exceptions of Indonesia and to certain degree Malaysia, rich/powerful families/clans are actulaly running their states.
Indonesian government doesn't sponsor terrorism but Saudis do it for the Indonesians.
All madrassas in Indo are paid by the Saudis or Kuwaitis. Madrassas teach nothing but Jihad and hate.
It is where the selection of martyrs and operators takes place.
The political forces behind Indonesian government aren't entirely Muslim (Catholic and Chinese) and this is one of the reasons why Aceh is still the only region where Sharia is the official law.
Still, the government easily takes the Muslim side when it comes to open conflicts.
Just a few old links with regards to Indo and al-Qaeda and Afghanistan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azahari_Husin
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,351169,00.html

http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/sea.cfm

 
At 5/04/2006 6:56 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Freedom Now,
The problem is with Islamist theology.

How long is the West going to persist in the delusion that the "problems" with Islam are not inherent? Verse after verse in the Koran, passage after passage in the Hadith.

Missing Link,
All madrassas in Indo are paid by the Saudis or Kuwaitis. Madrassas teach nothing but Jihad and hate.

Thank you for pointing out the above. And the Saudi-funded madrassahs are in many Western nations, not just in Muslim countries.

Better watch Wikipedia, though (not that I'm disputing the above link from you). Have you seen what's going on with Wikipedia's entry about Robert Spencer? Same old, same old: the Jews are behind all the conflict with Islam.

You might also want to check the Wikipedia entry about the Danish cartoons.

 
At 5/04/2006 8:46 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

AOW,
This particular entry is correct.
It's actually copied from something else.
It's a mixture depends who gets their hands on it first.
In fact Time is almost as reliable as Wikipedia these days.

Here is another take on this vile crim Husin:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/09/1094530774504.html

 
At 5/04/2006 9:28 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Missing Link,
I'm sure you're correct about that particular Wikipedia entry. My point was that Wikipedia may become something along the lines of Orwell's 1984. The msm already have.

 
At 5/04/2006 9:36 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Missing Link,
Well, that's some bit of information in that link you dropped.

Excerpt:

Here are some facts about Azahari Husin.

* Dubbed the "Demolition Man" by Malaysian newspapers, Azahari is suspected of being Jemaah Islamiah's (JI's) top bomb maker.

* He is a former university lecturer and gifted mathematician, who police suspect of designing the Bali and JW Marriott Hotel bombs....

* He returned home to obtain his degree, and at the end of the 1980s went to Reading University in England, where he impressed his tutors so much they persuaded him to stay on to complete a doctorate. That was in 1990....

* Back in Malaysia, two toddlers in tow, he and his wife became lecturers at Universiti Teknologi Malaysia at Skudai in the southern state of Johor.

* His epiphany occurred in the mid-1990s, when he fell under the influence of the late Abdullah Sungkar and Abu Bakar Bashir, two exiled Indonesian preachers spouting notions of jihad, or holy war, and accused of being JI's founding fathers....

* "He's a real born-again Muslim," said one security official, noting that most foot soldiers of the JI network come from a rural background and were educated in local Islamic schools or madrassahs....


Not exactly a poor, illiterate Muslim fellow, huh?

 
At 5/05/2006 12:48 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Military operations are virtually useless, especially when you have a republican president like Ron "Senile" Raygun, George "Sure keep your attack helicopters" Bush I or Chucklenuts. You must rely on policing and intelligence. Good intelligence requires allies -- Chucklenuts hasn't been helpful in building alliances.

ROFLMAO!

I do believe this is the most asinine thing I have ever read from Ducky.

Stick to analyzing photos of piss, Ducky. Military doctrine, strategic thinking, tactical planning, geopolitics, and diplomatic relations don't seem to be your bag. I'm in serious doubt you could even point at Iraq on a map.

 
At 5/05/2006 9:04 AM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

O Sons.... thanks, and you to bud... no worries, though, I re-read my post and realized how it sounded (or read?).

Duck... shhhh, your hammer and sickle are showing again... oh wait, thats right, the Left are the "compassionate" ones.

 
At 5/05/2006 10:46 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

g is your swastika showing? Got anything to say or does the Marine book of aphorisms stop at "Freedom isn't Free".

They teach you that anyone who calls the jingoistic nonsense by its name is a commie?

Theres a reason we try not to let the military make policy in this country.

What the hell does "Compassion" have to do with this?

Some butt clowns decide they are going to use Iraq as a laissez-faire showcase, completely screw up and actually lower the quality of life from what it was under a dictator and you run your jingoistic mouth?

"Your hammer and cycle is showing". Damn, you people are complete 'tards.

 
At 5/05/2006 11:38 AM, Blogger Freedomnow said...

If Saddam didnt invade Kuwait, oppress his people and launch a terrorist insurgency then Iraq wouldnt be in this mess.

Nice try fascist sympathizer...

 
At 5/05/2006 3:08 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Is there a problem in Iraq we need to be aware of?

 
At 5/05/2006 3:37 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

Duck, your hammer and sickle are not from your pretense and attempt at being the "courageous dissenter" you seem to wish for, instead it is directed because you repeatedly make assinine comments that reveal your opinion that capitalism and Republic styles of governemnt are not what you desire, and that you frequently make viled attempts to champion the effects of communism and socialism.

The compassion comment was because your political leaders on the left commonly refer to Republicans and cold-hearted, uncaring, and lacking compassion... hence that would mean they are proporting to HAVE compassion...

so, using the logical bridge, I was attempting to point out THEIR hypocracy through you since you seem to only have selective compassion for those that kill Americans and/or Jews.

Oh, and no, they give us other neat sayings in the "book"... but most of them would offend you even more, so I just keep them between myself and other "mindless" Jarheads...

Btw, the nation was founded by those military types that you say we dont let run the country... and does that comment mean you wont vote for the recent slew of Democrats coming back from Iraq as vetrans?

 
At 5/05/2006 10:19 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beamish,
I do believe this is the most asinine thing I have ever read from Ducky.

That's saying something!

 
At 5/05/2006 10:21 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

G,
Duck has the right to quack out his leftism because the military types have protected his right to do so. That's the ultimate irony as far as I'm concerned.

 
At 5/08/2006 2:12 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

AOW, come on tie a can on it. Vietnam, Grenada, panama? Just when has g protected my freedom of speech.

I'd say that he has restricted it by dumbing down the national dialogue.

I was listening to your favorite rabies radio personality the other day, Michael graham and he gets this caller : "Hi Michael, I'm a marine so I know something about freedom."

What does he know? How does this guy figure he gets standing to define a concept as complicated as freedom.

Look, when these military types can talk logically without resorting to aphorisms then they may be worth listening to. Meanwhile, if they need the "freedom isn't free" tap dance to justify themselves then fine but don't ask me not to challenge that nonsense.

 
At 5/08/2006 7:42 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
AOW, come on tie a can on it.

Well, I won't. My blog, my choice of topics to which I add my own comments. I don't recall my discussing Vietnam, Granada, or Panama. Perhaps I've forgotten; perhaps you've mixed up someone else's comment with one of my comments.

favorite rabies radio personality

I'm not a radio person and very rarely listen to talk radio. I had never even heard of Graham until the WaPo reported his dust-up with CAIR.

The military types can use aphorisms in comments here if they like. I also give you the latitude to challenge them and to use some of your favorite aphorisms, and with little comment from me. I don't recall ever asking you not to challenge here. But I do think that a little consideration and respect might be in order.

No need to pick a fight with me, Duck.

I doubt that G will be back to this thread.

 
At 7/09/2012 12:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

"The Democratic Party has, since its inception in the early 1800s, been an organization solely dedicated to the twin goals of destroying the US Constitution and putting large numbers of dark-skinned people to death. Republicans don't have such starkly ignoble origins."


Uh, Mr. Beamish, are you on drugs or just that stupid? Because your grasp of American history is pitiful! Me thinks you've been "beamed" a few too many times in the head. I assume for your sake that you are mentally retarded.

FYI, the Democratic Party was founded in the late 1700s in part by none other than Thomas Jefferson. I'm quite intrigued to learn that destroying the U.S. Constitution was its primary foundational aim. I worry about what the weed you're smoking is laced with. Also that comment about "putting large numbers of dark-skinned people to death" is just paranoid hyperbolic race-hustling and sensationalism on your part. Lemme guess, you are some self-hating honkey plagued by White Liberal Guilt on the inside. Such over-the-top sensationalism is actually quite offensive to African-Americans.

 

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