Sunday, April 30, 2006

Symposium Report: Part One

(All emphases by Always On Watch)

The information below was the first item on the schedule at today's America's Truth Forum. Excerpt from World Net Daily's article "'American Hiroshima' Linked with Iran Attack: Pakistani journalist who met bin Laden confirms al-Qaida nukes, says they may already be in U.S.":
"Al-Qaida has already obtained nuclear suitcase weapons from the Russian black market, weapons tested in Afghanistan in 2000, and they may have already been forward-deployed inside the U.S., according to the only journalist to interview Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri in the wake of Sept. 11.

"Last week, Hamid Mir's credibility skyrocketed when he accurately predicted in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin and later in WND the imminent release of a new recorded communiqué from bin Laden through al-Jazeera, the Arabic TV network. Two days later, bin Laden's tape was the focus of international news coverage.

"'If you think that my information and analysis about bin Laden's location is correct,' said Hamid Mir, 'then please don't underestimate my analysis about his nuclear threat also.'...

"Mir also maintains that numerous sleeper agents are in place in major cities throughout the United States to prepare for the nuclear holocaust...."
Read the rest here. Mir has already proved himself as a reliable source.

Ahmadinejad of Iran continues his brazen defiance, of which various news reports inform us on a daily basis. And according to this article in the Washington Post,

"PARIS, April 26 -- Escalating the threats between Washington and Tehran, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei [who was exiled as a readical a by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of Iran's revolution in the 1970's!] , warned Wednesday that his country would strike U.S. targets around the world in the event it is attacked over its refusals to curb its nuclear program.

"'If the U.S. ventured into any aggression on Iran, Iran will retaliate by damaging U.S. interests worldwide twice as much as the U.S. may inflict on Iran,' Khamenei said in a speech to a workers' assembly, according to the official news agency IRNA.

"His statement adds to a campaign of defiance by senior Iranian officials in advance of a report expected Friday by the U.N. atomic watchdog agency, which analysts predict will cite Iran for defying U.N. Security Council demands to halt its uranium enrichment program...."
Also mentioned at the symposium were two specific individuals who might have a connection to the above information from World Net Daily. Go here and here to see FBI posters of two men who might be sleeper agents to carry out attacks in the United States; the first man, Adnan el-Shukrijumah, has been termed by the FBI as "the next Mohammed Atta"; the second man, Amer el-Maati, may be one of his cohorts. Whether or not el-Shukrijumah and el-Maati are part of the plot to which World Net Daily alludes, these are dangerous men and need to be taken into custody as soon as possible. Contact America's Most Wanted by emailing to amwcontact@amw.com or by phoning 1-800-CRIMETV, and urge John Walsh to put the pictures of these two men on television so that all of us can watch for them.

69 Comments:

At 4/30/2006 8:55 AM, Blogger JoeC said...

Bluff. If A/Q had nukes in the U.S., they would have used them by now.
Just another stalling tactic.

Once Iran has nukes, they can invade every muslim country in the ME, without fear of retribution. Or ANY country, globally.

If no one will stop them NOW, who is gonna have the balls to stop them once they acheive a chain reaction?

 
At 4/30/2006 9:09 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Joe C,
Thanks for stopping by.

Bluff? One can hope so. But the reporter cited here, Mir, has a good past record for reliability.

Terrorist sometimes tell the truth. Before 9/11, we didn't believe that OBL could strike us on our shores, but it happened.

Ordinarily, I don't buy into the-sky-is-falling stuff, but I couldn't let this story go by, ignored.

Furthermore, OBl has never made any secret that he wants to acquire nukes. Also, Mahdi Obeidi, author of The Bomb in My Garden has warned of our "pourous southern border." I heard him say those words in a lecture back in March, 2005.

And you are so right about this:

Once Iran has nukes, they can invade every muslim country in the ME, without fear of retribution. Or ANY country, globally.

Does Iran already have those nukes? Islamists can be very patient and wait for what they perceive to be the right time. It is we Westerners who are more into instant gratification.

 
At 4/30/2006 9:39 AM, Blogger JoeC said...

What i should have also stated: I think we should already be moving against Iran.

It is nearly the 11th hour, we are still "talking." Talk is easy, and leads to nothing.

If there are nukes planted in the United States by A/Q, WHY would they wait to use them?

In everything I read about islam and muslims and arabs, they only wait when their numbers are not high enough.
From what I can see, critical mass HAS been achieved. They don't have any nukes here. Mushroom clouds would have done been blooming.

 
At 4/30/2006 10:03 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Joe C,
I'm not so sure that the nukes (suitcases) are not here.

If there are nukes planted in the United States by A/Q, WHY would they wait to use them?

Perhaps they haven't been deployed because Iran hasn't made the strike for the mahdi? Perhaps the feds are interfering with the necessary link-ups? Certainly, the feds would not reveal a top-secret operation, if such is really occurring. "You don't know what you don't know"--as the saying goes.

Or maybe the signal was OBL's latest speech? Read The Twenty Marching orders here; you'll need to scroll. Isn't that a worldwide call?

The 9/11 attacks were supposed to be carried out simulaneously, but Flight 93 was delayed on the take-off; as a result, that flight was brought down in Shanksville. Multiple suitcase-nuke attacks would change the world order much more than one isolated attack.

One mistake which many make is thinking that Iran and OBL don't have any connections. Sure, Iran is Shi'ite and OBL is Sunni, but they all read the same Koran, which promotes the worldwide domination of Islam. Furthermore, I read somewhere that various intelligence agencies have confirmed that Iran and OBL have previously met. And most of us have heard about the Chavez/Iran connection.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm in no way advocating that we shouldn't have already taken action against Iran! The delay--talking with a jihadomaniac is stupidity in the extreme--has allowed for blackmail-by-rumor-of-nukes to be used; and the WaPo carried the threat of strikes against the U.S. on the front page, while previously most developments with Iran have been buried in the world section, deep inside the paper.

Just because nukes MAY be here is no reason for change in policy/plans.

Look, I hate the sky-is-falling attitude. I hestitated in putting this story up, but my conscience wouldn't let me not take the risk.

I firmly believe that what Islamists want is that falling sky. They differ from the Cold-War communists in that Islamists are a death cult and don't hesitate to destroy themselves if they can take down the Great Satan (U.S.).

 
At 4/30/2006 10:20 AM, Blogger F.B. Jones said...

I will say that if it is a bluff, I still worry about what they do have and when thety will use it.
Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, and all the other countries that hate us, are more of a threat than some cells in the US.

 
At 4/30/2006 10:50 AM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

It’s hard to know and I’m sure if the American government has knowledge it doesn’t want the American people to panic. That being said, I hear that suitcase nukes have a shelf life. It’s not clear that the Iranians have the ability to refresh them but perhaps that’s the real purpose of their nuclear program. I’m sure Pakistan has that ability.

Iran has been at war with America for over 25 years. The State Dept has said that in 2005 Iran was the world’s chief sponsor of terrorism. If they have a limited number of nukes they will certainly be careful to test their plans to plant them in the USA in the painstaking manner that Al Qaeda has.

Islamists’ attacks are always combined with propaganda to add the typical layer of humiliation: “you brought it on yourself.” They careful play to the 5th column within the West and the Western media. Look at the attack in Israel. Every Islamist attack is said to be done as retaliation but none are. They are all part of Islamic aggression. Thus, the so-called threats of retaliation by Iran and their goading us to attack is part of the propaganda campaign to help galvanize the 5th column within.

Thus, the step-up in attacks, defiance, and rhetoric may signal they are getting ready. Remember, Bush as been relatively quiet on Iran. He’s stressed his faith in the diplomatic process. Ahmadinejad is sounding like Hitler more every day.

 
At 4/30/2006 11:10 AM, Blogger Warren said...

"If", I remember correctly and assuming that the fissionables in a suitcase nuc are the same materials used in similar small size and yield tactical devices.

Any "suitcase nucs" that were once the property of the former USSR, might not work.

It takes a certain "critical mass" to detonate a nuclear blast. A lesser amount will not result in blast. Even a critical mass, (which will form a sustained reaction), will not result in a blast unless enough materials are brought together very rapidly.

Due to the limits of size, these devices would have been designed to use the minimal amount of fissionable materials required for a blast.

Every so often, the fissionable materials would have to be replaced due to natural radioactive decay as the fissionable materials became less radioactive. I imagine that there would be sort of a planed obsolescence, in the design of any such device for security reasons.

It is highly doubtful that any such weapons were manufactured after 1989 and after 17+ years, I doubt that they would make a nuclear blast at all. They could, however, scatter radioactive debris. (Still, nothing to scoff at!)

Wikipedia makes mention of plutonium, (which is the most toxic material know to man). I don't believe that plutonium could be used in such a device for technical reasons.

Keep in mind that this is just educated guesswork, but I don't believe that anyone who works at Fermi Labs or a theoretical physicist is going to comment on this or set me straight.

 
At 4/30/2006 11:14 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Jason,
Islamists’ attacks are always combined with propaganda to add the typical layer of humiliation: “you brought it on yourself.”

Hardened criminals exhibit that same behavior, as in "The victim had it coming." Does talking to a serial killer do the victim any good?

On Friday, April 28, 2006, David Ignatius wrote this in the WaPo:

It's a truism that all conflicts end eventually. But how do you resolve a confrontation with an adversary that appears unable or unwilling to negotiate a settlement? That's a common problem that runs through the West's battles with militant Islam.

The most pressing instance is Iran's drive to become a nuclear power. The United States and its allies still talk as if it will be possible to stop the Iranian nuclear program short of war, through a combination of sanctions and diplomatic negotiations. But the Iranians push ahead, seemingly oblivious, and the ruling mullahs act contemptuous of the West's threats and blandishments....

Analysts think this reluctance to negotiate partly reflects divisions within Iran's ruling elite. Certainly the diffuse centers of power in the Iranian government make it difficult to reach a common position. But I suspect there is a deeper disconnect: For a theocratic regime that claims a mandate from God, the very idea of compromise is anathema. Great issues of war and peace will be resolved by God's will, not by human negotiators. Better to lose than to bargain with the devil. Better to suffer physical hardship than humiliation.

This same blockage is evident in other conflicts with Muslim groups. Al-Qaeda doesn't seek negotiations or a political settlement, nor should the West imagine it could reach one with a group that demands that America and its allies withdraw altogether from the Muslim world. The closest Osama bin Laden has come to a political demarche was his Jan. 19 offer of "a long-term truce based on fair conditions," which weren't specified. His deeper message was that al-Qaeda would wait it out -- waging a long war of attrition, confident that its adversaries would eventually grow tired and capitulate. America's powerful weapons might win battles, he said, "but they will lose the war. Being patient and steady is much better, and the end counts."

The West has placed its hopes on the political maturation of radical Muslim groups, figuring that as they assume responsibility, they will grow accustomed to the compromises that are essential to political life. But so far, there is little evidence to support this hope. The Hamas government appears to have nothing it wants to negotiate with Israel. Indeed, it still refuses to formally recognize the existence of its adversary. In Lebanon, Hezbollah has agreed to little compromises since it joined the government, but not big ones.

A word that recurs in radical Muslim proclamations is "dignity." That is not a political demand, nor one that can be achieved through negotiation....


In Islam, there can be no "dignity" until the entire world is Dar al-Islam. Anything less disrespects Allah and his will. So there is the root of "you brought in on yourself." Submit to the will of Allah, or die--that's the main message.

Ahmadinejad is sounding like Hitler more every day.

Negotiating with and appeasing Hitler led only to more death and destruction. Have we not learned that lesson from history?

 
At 4/30/2006 11:17 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Warren,
Any "suitcase nucs" that were once the property of the former USSR, might not work.

Assuming that source and not newly developed materials, of course. The Russian brain trust is still not completely accounted for, as far as I can determine.

I don't believe that plutonium could be used in such a device for technical reasons.

I've heard cesium mentioned, but don't have a clue as to what cesium can do. Ideas on that?

 
At 4/30/2006 11:20 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

What about North Korea?

 
At 4/30/2006 11:48 AM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

Does talking to a serial killer do the victim any good? -AOW

I couldn't have said it better.

Ignatius spells it out superbly. A great find!

 
At 4/30/2006 12:12 PM, Blogger JoeC said...

It seems a fair assumption that Bush and Co. have plans for Iran. The current administration is at least as smart as we all are. They will have made the same conclusions as we have and planned accordingly.

The North Koreans are on hold, courtesy of China. MamaChina has told them to not muddy the waters or else, me thinks.

Sleeper cells in the USA. Bet on it. Their effectiveness may be limited, however. And, as noted above, the gov't is and has undoubtedly discovered some of them.

The United States may have to wait until a catastrophic attack occurs on our mainland to neutralize Iran.

The political worldwide fallout that would follow a pre-emptive strike is ridiculous, but a reality.

And, on a brighter note, 90% of the crap coming from muslims is just that. Excrement. Gotta keep the masses stirred up. It's the 10% that we don't know, that we don't know that will kill people.

If I was in charge of the United States, the ME would already be a nuclear wasteland.

Better them than US.
Harsh? This is a life and death struggle.
One should not worry about rules when survival is the game.

 
At 4/30/2006 12:13 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Jason,
Ignatius's last sentence sort of waters down his earlier points: "As the Muslim world gains a greater sense of dignity in its dealings with the West, the fundamental weapon with Iran, al-Qaeda, and Hamas will lose much of its potency." But the rest of Ignatius's piece is spot on.

Does talking to a serial killer do the victim any good? -AOW
I couldn't have said it better.


Got that little tidbit about the connection between jihadist thinking and criminal thinking at the symposium, but I'll have to check my reams of notes to see which speaker pointed that one out. And I'll add to that that serial killers often reassure their victims, right up to the moment of killing them. Hmmmm....

Also, at the symposium I heard echoed what I said to you months ago and with which you strongly agreed: Moderate and radical are methods to the same goal, the establishment of Dar al-Islam, so any moderation doesn't lead to reform of Islam. The idea that moderation leads to reform is Western, not Islamic, thinking.

The speaker went on to talk of "consenting moderates." Therefore, the threat is much, much more than "just a small percentage of radicals."

Two moderates were mentioned at the symposium: Irshad Manji and the fellow who led the Muslim March Against Terror (I'm so tired that I can't recall his name. Ugh!). Others who were self-proclaimed moderates are now in prison, including five former officers from CAIR.

And no Muslims were among the speakers at the symposium, though Walid Shoebat gave a presentation.

 
At 4/30/2006 12:20 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Joe C,
It's the 10% that we don't know, that we don't know that will kill people.

Or the 10% we ignore. The msm distributes disinformation ("rebels" and "insurgents," instead of the proper terms) or ignores stories or slants stories to fit a particular agenda.

As I said before, I hope the information from WND is false. And even if the info is false, the pictures of those two men Adnan el-Shukrijumah and Amer el-Maati need to be publicized, and America's Most Wanted is a good way to get those photos out to the public. Every bit of evidence so far indicates that they are up to no good.

 
At 4/30/2006 1:21 PM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

The speaker went on to talk of "consenting moderates."

Interesting phrase. Somewhere I recently said that in light of Mohammad's dictum--"my community as a whole will always be right"--the silent consent to jihadist violence is a moral sanction. The active jihadists see a united Ummah that approves of their work and gives their tacit consent. Thus, in my book, the moderates are complicit, if not materially, then at least morally.

 
At 4/30/2006 1:51 PM, Blogger nanc said...

i've heard it said in certain circles that these suitcase nukes will be used in the cities most populous with jews. could be conspeory - or not. i'd hate to second guess a mad person.

aow - pigs ARE in space - be on the look out!

 
At 4/30/2006 2:11 PM, Blogger George Mason said...

Thanks, AOW. You and others are doing such a fine job building the knowledge base about Islam, including Iran.

 
At 4/30/2006 2:50 PM, Blogger Warren said...

AOW,
"I've heard cesium mentioned, but don't have a clue as to what cesium can do. Ideas on that?"

Radioactive cesium is a by product of nuclear reaction and not a fissionable material. You can't make a thermonuclear device from it.

Its radioactive isotope, cesium 137, is used in nuclear medicine and it can certainly be used as a poison, (dirty bomb), along with almost anything highly or mildly radioactive.

(Again), I'm not a nuclear physicist, but I believe that a functioning, suitcase sized, thermonuclear device would be limited to Uranium 235, the more volatable, enriched isotope.

Sometimes other radioactive materials or non-radioactive materials like beryllium carbide are used in thermonuclear devices, but they are used as enhancers, as "reflectors" to increase the "yield" of a given amount of fisionable material.

 
At 4/30/2006 2:56 PM, Blogger American Crusader said...

Do you think the left will continue with their heads buried in the sand as Iran prepares for war?
You don't have to be a genius to see that Iraq is just the prelude to the main event.

 
At 4/30/2006 3:14 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Maybe they will do us a favor and let one off in Hollywood! I think that may do the trick of getting some heads out of the sand, or whereever!

tmw

 
At 4/30/2006 3:33 PM, Blogger Cubed © said...

Boy, there is so much to talk about on this whole thing it's hard to know where to start.

I guess I'll pick the weapons problem.

Certainly, some means of doing us in the U.S. great harm has been an Islamic ambition for many years. During the peri-invasion period of Iraq, a guy named Steven Hawkins (I think that's how he spells it...) who was a "forensic economist" who made his living by "following the paper trail" of illicit financial dealings of all kinds got into the WMD thing.

He said that the "paper trail" led him to conclude that during the "oil for food" deal with Saddam, when he really wanted to get the WMDs out of Iraq, the U.N. trucks would go up loaded with food and medicines, and then a bunch of them would fill up with WMDs and haul them off to Syria. This apparently kept up for a long time, and was observed by satellite as well.

Once in Syria, some would be hidden locally, while others would be loaded on Canadian ships and go to Canadian ports. Once there, they were loaded onto trucks that had some sort of special document (I have the name around somewhere - I really should look it up, but my "file by pile" system can make it a bit of a problem) which in essence gave them a pass to go freely wherever they wanted.

If you think our borders with Canada are porous now, just imagine them then. These trucks would wait for a while, then come across the border with their WMDs (biological? Chemical?) and deliver them to destinations all around the U.S. Some suspect that some delivery sites were mosques.

Anyway, it may well be that WMDs of some sort have been hanging around just waiting for the word to be deployed.

Now, of course, we have the close association of Iran with Castro, Chavez, and the gangs in the Tri-Border area in Latin America (Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay). Hezbollah has apparently been very active in forming alliances with smugglers, counterfeiters, and drug lords there. Another Hezbollah operation is said to involve smuuggling operatives across our border with Mexico - you know, the one that Bush won't secure.

Anyway, I wouldn't focus on nuclear devices to the exclusion of others. And personally, I think that there can be no doubt that such a determined, patient enemy has placed as many goodies as possible over the last decade or so.

When bin Laden spoke of killing millions of Americans, I have to take him seriously.

If I were president, the first think I would do would be to secure those damned borders!

 
At 4/30/2006 5:51 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

The left is too focused on the "lib/con" bullshit to admit any danger to the US. Any attack on the US will be blamed on the US and especially on "christian cons".

If Gore had been elected in 2000 and Kerry in 2004, we'd still be at war with Islam although we wouldn't be in Iraq or Afghanistan.

That might have been a good thing, come to think of it...

 
At 4/30/2006 6:01 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

TMW,
Hollywood? There's a thought!

 
At 4/30/2006 6:31 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

I seriously think Iran wants to provoke an attack,assuming that the US doesn't have the groud force to take and occupy its territory.
If it were up to me I'd take the Iranian oil rich area (what Sadam tried to do during the the Iraq-Iran war.

 
At 4/30/2006 6:50 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Missing Link,
I seriously think Iran wants to provoke an attack...

Iran certainly seems to be provoking an attack. How much of that is tied up with the teachings about the mahdi?

Here is some information about some additional aspects of the situation with Iran.

 
At 4/30/2006 7:20 PM, Blogger City Troll said...

The report also states that they walked the bombs right accros the mexican border. Yet according to our politicians those of us that have been calling for the securing of the border are biggots and anti-imigration vigilanties. They debate raising our taxes while the enemy walks into our house to kill us.

 
At 4/30/2006 7:24 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Yeah, that's pretty much how I called it. Afghan war lord gets hold of a nuke from Russia with all that drug money he's got.

So I suggest we invade some random country.

DO NOT:

1. Implement detection equipment at source and destination ports. (Ed Markey has been trying to get this implemented)

2. Assist Russia with the expense of securing their nucleat material (Kerrey has been screaming about this for years).

3. Concenttrate our military efforts on Afghanistan rather than getting butt screwed in Iraq.

Chucklenuts has been doing a hell of a job. The conference is bullshit, of course, but it does highlight how little this administration has done on security matters. Some assrack stans up and gives chapter and verse but we didn't have a clue. Oh well, it might be possible with this administration.

Sounds like the clowns who say Hussein's WMD's(LMFAO) were taken to Syria and can't even give you the location of the chemical weapon storage areas.

You folks sure are dopes.

 
At 4/30/2006 7:29 PM, Blogger City Troll said...

Joec I like the way you think... what I would say though is the reason that the nukes havent gone off yet is that they are waiting for a single strike in one day Israel the US and London. The most spectacular strike possible. Then announce to the world that it will submit to the caliphate or suffer further strikes. Just striking us with a nuke first would not achieve their goals they know if by hitting us alone we would strike back alone with nukes all over the ME and no nation would restrain us but a multiple hit in several countries in one day could result in other nations trying to restrain our response out of fear of what may already be planted in their countries.

 
At 4/30/2006 7:39 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Ducky, have you looked at the evidence record of Flight 93?

Do YOU find anything suspicious about it?

That's all I'm going to say... but it is one hell of a loaded question. I'd be interested in hearing your answer.

 
At 4/30/2006 7:49 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

From this February 15, 2006 article:

...Known as the "Butcher of Basra," al-Tikriti commanded units that dealt with chemical and biological weapons. He defected shortly before the Gulf War in 1991.
Last month, Saddam Hussein's No. 2 Air Force officer, Georges Sada, told the New York Sun Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were moved to Syria six weeks before the war started. Sada claimed two Iraqi Airways Boeing jets converted to cargo planes moved the weapons in a total of 56 flights. They attracted little attention, he said, because they were thought to be civilian flights providing relief from Iraq to Syria, which had suffered a flood after a dam collapse in 2002...


As I recall, some of Saddam's tapes and papers are still being translated and that the 9/11 Commission has so acknowledged.

From the March 13, 2006 Global Security Newswire:

Audio recordings of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and his aides from before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq indicate that Baghdad planned to revive its WMD programs once international attention focused elsewhere, the Washington Times reported today (see GSN, Feb. 16).

U.S. officials are reviewing the tapes and thousands of pages of Iraqi documents discovered following the fall of the regime.

 
At 4/30/2006 7:50 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
Did you see my message to you over at Mark's blog? Pertains to Norquist and the NRA.

 
At 4/30/2006 8:06 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Yes, I did. AOW, I am sitting here stunned beyond all belief.

Not over the Norquist thing. I remember your post about him.

But something big is rotten and stinking in America and it is worse than my rational mind can deal with. I cannot fathom... I just cannot.

I wrote an apology to someone I thought a nut. It's at a site you would probably never go to, but I find it relaxing. Sometimes, though, the posts are serious.

If you think you can stomach something unimaginable:
my apology.

Considering the insanity over the mounting evidence, I am not surprised or even phased about the potential of Norquist and the NRA. It fits, perfectly in a sickening way.

 
At 4/30/2006 8:09 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

... you might have to register an account (email) to see it. But it only takes a minute.

 
At 4/30/2006 8:15 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
I've been to that site, but have never registered. But you have sparked my interest, so I'll check it our.

 
At 4/30/2006 8:15 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Typo alert! our = out

 
At 4/30/2006 8:25 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

"Any attack on the US will be blamed on the US and especially on "christian cons"...no doubt bout that AOW...Clocks a tickin tho..............

 
At 4/30/2006 8:28 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
What I heard about Norquist got a brief mention at the symposium. I need to check as to what office he may hold.

 
At 4/30/2006 8:50 PM, Blogger nanc said...

i'm with mussolini on this issue - something IS rotten and stinking - like trying to find that mouse that got caught in the trap you forgot where you put it. happened to me - two weeks of pure misery for the proboscis.

 
At 4/30/2006 8:57 PM, Anonymous Debbie said...

I'm attaching a link to this post at the bottom of my Middle East Update. Good stuff and I'm looking forward to hearing EVERYTHING you learned!

 
At 4/30/2006 9:02 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

I can't reconcile this.

I voted for Bush twice.

I don't think I will ever vote for any of the two-party candidates again.

I'm trying my damndest to debunk this, but the silence on the internet is sickening. I looked up Flight 93, Flight 93 wreckage, Flight 93 crash site, Flight 93 debris... I can't even find two full pages of photos, anywhere. And only the one government photo of something small in the crater.

That there were eyewitnesses to a military jet and an explosion in the air fit the 8-mile debris dispersion. The photo of the terrorist is what boggles me.

I can't. This is too Michael Moore for me. I'll have to sleep on it.

 
At 4/30/2006 9:13 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

I missed a lot, wow1 Nanc- you're right, as usual, there is something very much amiss(there's an understatement!) Ben used to say that America is not even hinted at in the Bible. Wonder why? Have our leaders gone so far into darkness that a curse is on us? Yeah, I'm afraid so, and we are culpable for allowing G*D to be thrown out! The price for apathy.

tmw

 
At 4/30/2006 9:19 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Debbie,
I have about 30 pages of notes from the symposium. But I'll nibble away at those reams of notes and post what I can.

Film footage was taken at the symposium. I should get notification when the DVD is ready.

 
At 4/30/2006 9:22 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
What's the time line for the military interceptors? Didn't the jets scramble the wrong way?

I've been to Shanksville and saw no evidence of scattered debris. Now, I visited there some two years later, but still...

Know any locals in that area of PA?

 
At 4/30/2006 9:25 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

TMW,
We shouldn't worry whether or not there is a cure. Rather, we should stay busy in His work until He returns. No man knows when that will be.

 
At 4/30/2006 9:27 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
Try contacting this fellow. He studies such things.

 
At 4/30/2006 9:28 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Crusader,
Do you think the left will continue with their heads buried in the sand as Iran prepares for war?

Yes! And not just the left, either. Lots of people don't want to face the ugly truth.

 
At 4/30/2006 9:53 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I just spotted this at City Troll's site:

...Mir's position that al-Qaida's nuclear weapons may have already been forward deployed to the United States confirms the report of Sharif al-Masri, a key al-Qaida operative who was arrested in Pakistan in November 2000.

Al Masri, an Egyptian national with ties to al-Zawahiri, said that al-Qaida had made arrangements to smuggle nuclear weapons and supplies to Mexico, From Mexico, he said, the weapons were to be transported across the border and into the United States with the help of a Latino street gang.

Mir also maintains that numerous sleeper agents are in place in major cities throughout the United States to prepare for the nuclear holocaust. Many of these agents, he says, are Algerians and Chechens who obtained European passports and are posing as Christian and Jews...

 
At 4/30/2006 10:11 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

The 3 F-16s that were scrambled against Flight 93 were airborne at 9:30am.

They supposedly burned fuel for a half hour doing nothing, while knowing that 93 was headed for DC.

Yet witnesses claimed seeing unmarked fighters near the plane in PA. At the most, interception would only take 15 minutes - they had a half hour.

Typical air-to-air missiles don't blow up planes in huge nuclear fireballs. Most explode an engine and many small planes stay intact. A bigger plane could stay aloft on one engine, a fire in the other for a few minutes? Might those be the missing 3 minutes of Flight 93?

I have zero problem with the government shooting down the plane. I'd order the same course of action. National security and all.

It's the planting of the picture at a fake crash site that disturbs me. The implications are enormous.

 
At 4/30/2006 10:59 PM, Blogger Warren said...

Mussolini,
I haven't studied this but I can tell you that in the 1960s a jet liner crashed into the ground not very far from here. It went into the ground like a yard dart except for the wings, the wreckage from them was scattered. There was a crater with no visible debris inside, It shot into the ground like a bullet and the fuselage pretty much disintegrated into small pieces after it burrowed in and the dirt fell in behind it.

 
At 4/30/2006 11:13 PM, Blogger Mussolini said...

Did that jetliner that darted into the ground scatter debris for 8 miles around it - but just not at the crater site?

Flight 93 apparently scattered debris in an 8 mile radius. From a vertical impact.

Amazing that the picture was found at the crater site. And the boxcutter.

 
At 4/30/2006 11:26 PM, Blogger City Troll said...

Warren I remember that flight it went right in no from the fire squad believed the witness that it was a jet liner they later found out it was a software problem in the fly by wire system that over compensated for a certain type of roll and put the planes into a nose dive straight down like a lawn dart.

AOW thanks for the hit comforting article isn't it.

 
At 5/01/2006 12:08 AM, Blogger City Troll said...

AOW you add to the fray here is another post your gonna like Link

 
At 5/01/2006 1:04 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I'm late to the party on this, but let me reach back in time and cut-and-paste a quote from, well, myself, on another blog.

Nuclear weapons are not something you can just build and stow away until you’re ready to use them. They require continued maintenance, in controlled / shielded environments, to retain their effectiveness as fission weapons. Any degradation that affects their highly complex timing / triggering mechanisms will transform a multiple square mile-incinerating device into a highly toxic, but relatively manageable “dirty bomb.” In the grand scheme of things, it’s much easier to clean up residual uranium and plutonium dust spread over a few blocks of a city by a malfunctioning nuclear device than it is to sort through the ruins of a city wiped off the face of the earth by the real deal. Of far greater importance to maintaining a nuclear device for ready use than carefully aligning the shaped charges that compress uranium and plutonium into exploding with thermonuclear force are the radioactive tritium “triggers,” which must be replaced from time to time because the effective half-life of tritium is less than 15 years (closer to 10 years). Tritium is a vital component in elementary thermonuclear bomb designs. Without it, or lithium triggers (which are bombarded with neutrons during an atomic explosion to create the tritium to accelerate the blast into a full blown nuke, which even under the most extreme examples of American miniaturization tech would rule out a “suitcase” sized bomb, the lithium mass requirements are too large) a nuclear weapon becomes an expensive way to powderize fissile materials - a dirty bomb, no doubt, but nothing that would destroy a city.

That’s why I am skeptical of the “old Soviet nuke in a suitcase” scenario. If there were such things buried in America, their tritium triggers are long since expired.

And considering that our current off-the-shelf gamma- and neutron radiation detectors can pinpoint a slightly radioactive radium pellet (as used in medicine to treat cervical and uterine cancer) at ranges over a mile under the constant bath of radiation from the Sun, can you imagine the alarms that would go off if someone removed the case shielding from an U-238 / plutonium bomb to service the tritium triggers inside?

Nay, I say. I can’t believe it. If there’s a nuke to set off in America, Al Qaeda would have already, or has already tried and nobody noticed because someone sold them useless junk.

This isn’t to say that terrorists-with-nukes should not be a concern. It’s scary enough that bomb-grade fissile materials that went missing from Lawerence Livermore during the Clinton years has been officially written off as an “accounting error.”

But I’m more worried about a State Department that issues renewed student visas to dead terrorist hijackers than the scourge of nuke-wielding Arabs cleverly disguised as migrant Mexican workers.

 
At 5/01/2006 6:19 AM, Blogger Iran Watch said...

Iran must know that if there was a nuclear detonation inside the United States, that their country would cease to exist. Unfortunately their president has shown total disregard for the fate of his own people. Maybe starting a nuclear world war is his objective.

 
At 5/01/2006 7:50 AM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

AoW- It's not that I am consumed by it, but it's there at the back of my mind. As head of the prayer ministry at churc, I'm concerned about the readiness of our people for what is coming! Sorry, but it is a burden, to many Christians have thier heads in the sand. I literally have an itch in my bones, but must not get ahead of G*D! Christians in China have been praying for Christians in America to undergo persecution to mature us! Something is coming our way and judgement begins in the House of G*D. Are we ready? NO! That is my concern!

tmw

 
At 5/01/2006 10:12 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beamish,
I can’t believe it. If there’s a nuke to set off in America, Al Qaeda would have already, or has already tried and nobody noticed because someone sold them useless junk.

I think the latter--the selling of useless junk--is quite a strong possibility for an avenue by which all kinds of dangers can be smuggled in, first to Latin America, then up through our pourous southern border. For example, the Tri-Border in Latin America (Brazil, Argentina, and Paraguay) harbors Hezbollah. This article over at Sixth Column might be of interest to some. Excerpt:

it's no secret that Castro and Chavez have been cozying up to each other and to Iran (and its flunky, Hezbollah), and that the Tri-Border area (Argentina-Brazil-Paraguay) is a hotbed of Hezbollah activity, but now Bolivia's Evo Morales has made it official...

An awful lot of undesirables are actively searching for nuclear weapons and planning economic "attacks" as well. I guess that my concern is that the unthinkable will happen sooner rather than later. Weapons and their triggers have a shelf life, but scientists are still working and perhaps in multiple locations. What is the brain trust of nuclear scientists doing these days? Who are they working for?

Our government surveillance is only as reliable as the people who are doing that surveillance and who are watching the surveillance devices.

So, is Mir's report reliable? I don't know. But if someone is looking hard enough for something, they just might get their hands on it. Money talks. And Ahmadinejad's brazen defiance defies logic. Who is he so bold? And how much interconnection exists among the various Islamic terrorist organizations? I have my doubts as their separateness.

 
At 5/01/2006 10:20 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

City Troll,
About that last link you dropped...Sounds like checkmate, if the report is accurate.

Iran Watch,
Maybe starting a nuclear world war is his objective.

I think that is a strong possibility. Mahdi and all that. Islamists don't flinch from dying for their cause, in the belief that they are furthering their cause. This is one of the differences between Islamic thinking and the Cold War.

 
At 5/01/2006 10:58 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

If this symposium features a speaker who claims credible information about a nuclear device and internal sleeper cells I think that under the Patriot Act we should bring them all in for some Marathon Man dental work and find out what it's all about.

Of course it's all paranoid bullcrap but we should at least go through the motions.

 
At 5/01/2006 11:03 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
I'm sure that the authorities already know about the report in WND. The information was released at a press conference on Friday morning, before the Symposium began.

You should have attended, Duck, so as to share your wisdom. Opportunity was provided for Q&A.

I get your message about some Marathon Man dental work. I saw that film. Thanks for your concern.

 
At 5/01/2006 11:33 AM, Blogger Mussolini said...

I've slept on it.

Easier to just go along with the official story. I don't think I can handle the alternative.

 
At 5/01/2006 11:35 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mussolini,
I know what you mean. Besides, getting reliable info is terribly difficult without one's own and personal, on-site investigation.

Sometimes the boogie men are real, and sometimes they're not.

 
At 5/01/2006 2:52 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

http://www.bartcop.com/tom-24-wing-nut.jpg

good one

 
At 5/02/2006 3:17 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

AOW,

There is still the magical accounting of the Clinton administration's Energy Department, which decided that pretending that a significant stock of previously inventoried bomb-grade uranium that disappeared from Lawrence Livermore facility "never actually existed" - past security details that filed extensive paperwork from physical inspections of stockpiles apparently hallucinated counting it several times over the years - rather than alarm the public with yet another example of why Democrats and national security go together like cyanide and Kool-Aid.

So, in the giving-away-the-candy-store environment that was the Clinton administration's giddily active role in increasing the number of nuclear weapons pointed at America, it's extremely plausible that terrorists will nuke us with our own shit.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:48 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mr. Beamish,
it's extremely plausible that terrorists will nuke us with our own shit.

And we bring nationals from Arab/Muslim countries to our universities to train them. What do they have access to in those universities?

How much nuclear material is missing? You mentioned Livermore. Others?

 
At 5/02/2006 9:49 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
You so rarely drop links, so I took a look. I'll be polite and say, "Thanks."

 
At 5/02/2006 10:01 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

City Troll,
I would say though is the reason that the nukes havent gone off yet is that they are waiting for a single strike in one day Israel the US and London. The most spectacular strike possible.

Yes, jihadists are into spectacular attacks, for a number of reasons, including giving them more power with "the will of allah" argument.

 
At 5/02/2006 7:17 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

AOW,

For "national security reasons" the Department of Energy won't say why they spent two years time and quite a lot of money searching for missing nuclear materials (enough to spur such an investigation) from AMERICA's stockpile that they ultimately ruled never existed.

Knowing as I do that Democrats are indoctrinated from first admittance into their strange organization to always seek policies directly aimed at destroying America, it wouldn't surprise me if an unimpeded investigation into that period of civilizational devolution known as "the Clinton years" revealed that Jimmy Carter himself hand delivered a nuke to Hamas.

 
At 5/02/2006 7:28 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

AOW,

I would draw a cartoon making fun of asinine leftist political cartoonists and their general lack of impact on anyone of importance or intellect as they fume against bloggers, in rebuttal of Ducky's Tom Tomorrow link, but I'd have to explain who Tom Tomorrow is to people who have lives.

 
At 5/02/2006 9:10 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beamish,
it wouldn't surprise me if an unimpeded investigation into that period of civilizational devolution known as "the Clinton years" revealed that Jimmy Carter himself hand delivered a nuke to Hamas.

Clinton and Carter. Boy, what a team! It's a wonder we've survived.

Considering the general sloppiness of government bookkeeping, I suspect that lots of "stuff" is on the loose! If we knew the ins and outs, none of us would be able to sleep at night.

 

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