Friday, May 12, 2006

Symposium Report: Part Three

(All emphases by Always On Watch)

Islam and the Criminal Mind

Dr. Babu Suseelan, professor in clinical psychology and Director of Addiction Research Institute in Pennsylvania was the second speaker at the April 29, 2006 Symposium and made the following statements early in his presentation:
“The ideology behind terrorism is Islam. Period."

“The whole history of Islam has been death and destruction.”
Those statements got the immediate attention of the listeners. The first third of the presentation included several hot-button statements such as the above, as well as substantiation.

In the middle portion of his speech, Dr. Suseelan drew parallels between the Islamic mind and the criminal mind; he also compared Islamic thinking to that of the alcoholic or drug addict and pointed out that early indoctrination leads to what most of us would describe as twisted thinking—a code which encompasses a violent lifestyle.

The essence of the middle portion of Dr. Suseelan's presentation was similar to the following comment, which Dr. Suseelan made at Front Page Magazine's blog "Go Postal":

“…Jihadi terrorists are irrational, extreme xenophobic, hostile, and blinded by their dogmatic, fundamentalist faith. The basic premise of Jihadi terrorist is that their violent acts stem from feelings of rage and hatred reinforced by their belief system. Jihadis think and behave differently. They are selfish, impulsive, calculating and act out of their own selfish interest with no regard to the responsible members of society. Whatever their ideology, religious sanction, Jihadis are cunning, intelligent, self-seeking, aware of their criminal acts and incapable of guilt and empathy. Several patterns of thinking drive the Jihadis terrorists, including:
• Rationalization
• Indifference
• A sense of entitlement
• Super optimism
• Lack of Guilt
• Shallow emotions
• Lack of remorse
• Egocentricity
• Grandiosity
"Ideas expressed in the Koran provide all the justification necessary for Jihadis to carry out deadly terrorist activities. Jihadi terrorists are primarily afraid of freethinking, liberty, pluralism, secularism, and co-existence. They are defensive, capricious, and conditioned by their outdated irrational fanatic religious dogma…”
Speaking in terms from his area of expertise, Dr. Suseelan pointed out that Islam itself is a closed paradigm which uses force to maintain itself, thereby leading to violence in Islamic societies. Citing Afghanistan as an example, Dr. Suseelan emphasized that merely introducing democracy into this closed paradigm will not succeed in opening the Islamic paradigm and that changing a regime is only a temporary relief from the self-perpetuating a closed dogma disguised in religious garb. Rather, cognitive restructuring is required. He mentioned the following as strategies to use in containing the violence and to promote cognitive restructuring:

• Don’t accept Islam as just another cultural variant.
• Criticize Islam openly, using the Internet and any available media.
• Stop immigration from Muslim nations.
• Emphasize the humanity of those slaughtered by the followers of Islam.
• Disqualify any Islamic theocracy from having a seat at the United Nations.
• Do not permit Muslim proselytizing in prisons.


Dr. Suseelan’s speech was quite lengthy and complex, and some attendees at the Symposium may have had difficulty in following all his rapidly-made points. Also, the sound of English spoken with a soothing and lilting Indian accent can become the focus of the listener. However, Dr. Suseelan began his presentation with attention-getters, did not speak in euphemisms or politically-correct terms, and included a PowerPoint presentation of graphs, maps, and trends. He substantiated much of what he said with a brief history of Islam, particularly with regard to the five-centuries-long “Holocaust in India” (Eleventh-Sixteenth Centuries), in which 80,000,000 were slaughtered by Muslims in the Indian subcontinent, and also mentioned at least one recent statement which he overheard from a Muslim in New York City after the most recent detonation of a bomb in Tel-Aviv, Israel:
“We need more bombs to kill more Jews.”
In other words, he effectively showed that "radical Islam" is not a new development and that jihadism has been characteristic of Islam across the centuries.

In the final portion of his presentation, almost as a musical coda, Dr. Suseelan concluded his speech with visual aids to illustrate how, over the past fourteen centuries, the methods for waging Islamic have progressed from the sword to guns to suicide-bombers to IED’s.

Dr. Suseelan left us with this question: Is the next Jihadist weapon the nuclear bomb?

[Find essays by Dr. Babu Suseelan here.]

108 Comments:

At 5/12/2006 6:39 AM, Anonymous religion of pieces said...

"He substantiated much of what he said with a brief history of Islam, particularly with regard to the five-centuries-long “Holocaust in India” (Eleventh-Sixteenth Centuries), in which 80,000,000 were slaughtered by Muslims in the Indian subcontinent"

The American historian Will Durant summed it up like this:

"The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within." (ref http://voi.org/books/negaind/ch2.htm )

The tale is indeed very depressing and discouraging. The process is being repeated in the West, especially in Europe. But few people are aware of it, and nobody has any idea how to stop the barbarians invading and multiplying.

Those who forget the past are condemned to relive it. As the placards in the London cartoon demonstrations said: 'Get ready for the REAL holocaust'

 
At 5/12/2006 7:41 AM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Wow, AoW! Thank you for spending the time to get this info out to us! i'm not real sanguine, but hope springs eternal!

Good morning and G*D bless all!
tmw

 
At 5/12/2006 7:54 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Religion of Pieces,
Thank you for that link!

More material from the link (emphases mine):

[T]he number of victims of the persecutions of Hindus by Muslims is easily of the same order of magnitude as that of the Nazi extermination policy, though no one has yet made the effort of tabulating the reported massacres and proposing a reasonable estimate of how many millions exactly must have died in the course of the Islamic campaign against Hinduism (such research is taboo). On top of these there is a similar number of abductions and deportations to harems and slave-markets, as well as centuries of political oppression and cultural destruction....

The ideological foundation of the Islamic campaign was similar to the Nazi ideology. The Muslium invaders (as we can read in numerous documents which they left us, from the Quran and the Hadith onwards) distinguished between three kinds of people: first of all the Muslims, the Herrenvolk (master nation) to which Allah had promised the world; secondly the Jews and Christians, who could live on under Muslim rule but only as third-class citizens, just like the Slavic Untermenschen (inferior people) in Hitler's planned new order, thirdly the species to be eliminated, the real Pagans who had to disappear from the face of the earth.

Different from Hitler's victims, the non-combatants among the unbelievers often got a chance to opt for conversion rather than death....


Before I heard Dr. Suseelan, I had a bit of knowledge about the slaughter on the Indian subcontinent. Most textbooks used in schools, however, gloss over what happened.

Here in Farifax County, Virginia, the Hindu community brought to the attention of the county-wide Social Studies Curriculum Coordinator that newly proposed textbooks were whitewashing Islam in that particular regard. As a result, the County promised that "an extra unit," a supplement packet, would be given to the social-studies teachers; the new textbooks were adopted and are now in use. I don't know if the supplement is being implemented.

It's no surprise, really, that most social-studies textbooks gloss over the atrocities perpetrated by the sons of Allah. After all, Susan Douglass--convert to Islam--is curriculum advisor to the major publishers of those textbooks. Sometimes her name appears in the list of experts at the front of the texts, sometimes not.

Susan Douglass's name appears in the credits for the curriculum guide published by the Council for Islamic Education. That particular guide has become controversial in California, precisely because of its whitewash of Islam.

More on Susan Douglass, from The Sperry Files:

Textbook publisher's statement that confirms that the Muslim activist group Council of Islamic Education (CIE) revised its interactive educational module on Islam used in public schools in several states, including California. The role-playing module instructs public school children to "become Muslims" for three weeks, reciting Muslim prayers and Quranic verses without any critical analysis of Islam. Susan Douglass -- the devout Sunni Muslim, Saudi schoolteacher and special White House guest -- is CIE's top "scholar" and the exclusive consultant to the nation's largest history textbook publishers.

 
At 5/12/2006 9:08 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

What is "Research Center, Pennsylvania"?

You even bother to check out this clown's credentials? Nope. You even paid money to listen to him. What a sucker.

 
At 5/12/2006 9:22 AM, Anonymous religion of pieces said...

As well as historical atrocities, the connection between Islam and criminality is all too apparent nowadays in the jails of the Western world.

As one of the London bombers put it:

In his posthumous video statement Khan said: "Our religion is Islam - obedience to the one true God, Allah, and following the footsteps of the final prophet and messenger Muhammad... This is how our ethical stances are dictated. (from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4764345.stm )

In other words, the Muslims' ethical stances are dictated by following in the footsteps of an extortionist, rapist, robber, murderer, torturer, mutilator and pedophile.

Islam is the only major religion not based upon the Golden Rule. In fact, Islam is not a religion in any normal sense, it is more of a criminal brotherhood, like the Mafia.

 
At 5/12/2006 9:50 AM, Blogger Elmer's Brother said...

Must have been very interesting to see in person.

 
At 5/12/2006 10:46 AM, Blogger eyesallaround said...

Excellent AOW! The philosophy of islam is closer to that of Charles Manson than Jesus Christ. Can you imagine if the NEA proposed children dressing up like Charles Manson, etc? Well, it's basically the same thing. Liberals never cease to amaze me with their stupidity.

 
At 5/12/2006 11:01 AM, Blogger FLORIAN said...

Morning AOW. Great piece. Funny what kind of people the religion of peace seems to attract isn't it?

 
At 5/12/2006 11:22 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

A little biographical sketch of Dr. Babu Suseelan, from this source:

Dr. Babu Suseelan - an internationally acclaimed columnist, social scientist and clinical psychologist. He has been living in USA for the last three decades. Presently the Professor of Clinical Psychology, University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Babu Suseelan is one of the greatest sons of Kerala. His words are listened with rapt attention by social scientists, security experts and policy makers all over the world. Dr. Suseelan is a strong advocate of India’s age old knowledge system and values. What makes him distinct is his view that human kind should assimilate all progress made in the fields of science and technology without sacrificing the basic tenets of our heritage. International journals vie with one another to publish the papers authored by Dr. Suseelan and that itself is an indication of the respect commanded by him.

UPenn is a well respected university.

Much of Dr. Suseelan's work relates to the Indian Hindu community.

 
At 5/12/2006 11:25 AM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

My earlier post seems to be missing.

In any case, a great piece, AOW. It's important to know that the truth is getting out. Also, RoP has a important link. So many more people are spreading the truth today compared to 4 years ago. For example, Bostom on O'Reilly (thanks for the tip) was perfect. O'Reilly still hasn't figured it out which is not too surprising.

 
At 5/12/2006 11:29 AM, Blogger Ogre said...

Well done, AOW -- more people NEED to speak out against the evil before they completely destroy the US. Just imagine, for a moment if the illegals from Mexico were all mulsims...

And Ducky -- look over there, something shiny!

 
At 5/12/2006 11:38 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Jason,
Blogger is temperamental these days. I'll check my email notification to see if your comment made it that far. Sometimes I get notification of a comment which never appears here at the blog.

I saw the O'Reilly segment with Dr. Bostom on Wednesday night. Obviously, O'Reilly didn't have a proper comeback when the CAIR spokesman denied the jihadism verses in the Koran--never mind the Hadith, usually as revered as the Koran. But Dr. Bostom came off well, without any screaming. I wonder if O'Reilly's curiosity will be stirred, but I have my doubts as he often is superficial in his approach.

Dr. Bostom also spoke at the Symposium. The gist of his presentation was a historical survey of jihadism. The schedule listed Bostom's presentation as "Dhimmitude and the uniquely Islamic institution of Jihad." His presentation immediately followed that of Dr. Suseelan and drew on his research for his book The Legacy of Jihad.

I will try to my review Dr. Bostom's presentation on Friday, May 19; but with my busy schedule right now, I can't promise that I'll have it up on that exact date.

 
At 5/12/2006 11:50 AM, Blogger kev said...

How can anyone, including daffy duck, dispute what has been said here? How simple and unimaginative to just call the man a clown (name-calling is one of daffy's favorite, if impotent, weapons)and dismiss what he has to say. Besides facts being well documented, there is evidence throughout the world on a daily basis, if one only cares to look with open eyes. Muslim recruiting in our jails is a major source of conversions to this "religion." The Black Muslims (those born in this country, not necessarily of mid-eastern extraction)have been recruiting criminals in our prisons for many years. The beloved malcolm x was himself a thief and heroin addict. Farrakhan is the leader of this sect.

 
At 5/12/2006 12:04 PM, Blogger nanc said...

AOW - YOU'VE GOT TO SEE THIS:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22438

talk about cartoonifada!

 
At 5/12/2006 12:07 PM, Blogger MonicaR said...

I've recently thought that Islam was a great excuse for violence in the mind of a criminal. The prison moslems (I call them) are everywhere.

Great entry - thanks AOW.

 
At 5/12/2006 12:28 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Muslim recruiting in our jails? Black muslims are considered apostate by wahabis. And so what if prisoners convert?

Stop being such a damn diaper pisser.

I think if you study Malcolm's life you'll find he was a better man than you.

 
At 5/12/2006 12:32 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Ducky

Malcolm was a criminal and a thug. You seem to have a soft spot for these types. Why are Ayers and Dorn not in their proper place for treason and terorism. They should be pushing up daisies instead of teaching in our Universities. Can we say Commie Odessa network in accademia ?

Malcolm X and the NOI are a racist cult. The evil scientist Yacoub and test tube creations of White people are almost as deranged as advocates of Marx.

 
At 5/12/2006 1:20 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Well, it DOES matter if prisoners convert to Islam and then launch "lone wolf" jihads, especially if they believe that the highest jihad guarantees them a special place in Paradise. Many hardened criminals already have in place a mindset favorable to converting to Islam.

Arab Muslims look down on black Muslims. I'm not so sure the black followers of Allah are considered "apostates," in all cases. Arabs consider themselves superior to blacks and have enslaved them for centuries; these Arab Muslims were fond of castrating their black male slaves.

Abraham Lincoln read Captain James Riley's book (The title might be Sufferings in the Sahara, but I'll have to check the library web-site to be sure of the exact title), which contained information about Arab-Muslim slave traders in Africa. In fact, Lincoln cited three books which most affected his life: the Bible, Pilgrim's Progress, and Captain Riley's book.

The Arabs and the Persians each consider themselves superior to one another. Islam promotes the superiority of Arabs. And never forget that the Koran is written in Arabic, the "official language" of Allah. Any who can't read and/or recite the passages in the original Arabic are automatically considered inferior.

Wahhabism is fundamental Islam, so Wahhabists deprecate all the other sects.

 
At 5/12/2006 1:26 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

About nuclear Iran, from this source:

Iran is looking to a summit of eight key Islamic states on Friday to support its campaign for nuclear technology, while calling for solidarity against Western "hegemony."

The meeting in Bali, Indonesia, gives Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the opportunity to appeal directly to fellow Islamic leaders for backing in the face of steadily increasing Western pressure at the U.N.

The U.S. and European governments want Iran to abandon uranium enrichment, claiming that Tehran is using a civilian nuclear program as a front to develop a nuclear weapons capability. Iran denies the charge.

The D-8 (Developing-8) summit brings together the leaders of eight important Muslim countries - Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Malaysia and Iran.

Ahead of the meeting, the host nation, Indonesia, said nuclear energy would feature strongly on the agenda....

 
At 5/12/2006 1:27 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
I checked that FPM link. So, it's okay to create that type of comic book, but don't satirize MTP with the Danish cartoons???

 
At 5/12/2006 1:29 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

AOW, you read the Koran in Arabic to appreciate the poetry. I'm sure you'll scoff bu one of the reasons the Koran is considered divinely ispired is the quality of the poetry.

That quality cannot be fully appreciated without being read in Arabic and is best heard when chanted.

So you are correct but for absolutely innacurate reasons.

If we wish to go into race relations I'm sure muslims will not be the only ones found wanting. Not that you as a "born again" don't consider yourself superior on the basis of nothing more than an internal dialogue.

 
At 5/12/2006 1:45 PM, Blogger G_in_AL said...

The real problem Duck is having, along with many (actually most) other liberals is that calling a spade a spade (for lack of a better term) in this current cultural crisis would mean that people (or governments, which represent them) would be compelled to take action upon such a dire and preventable threat. However, if you cloud it in undefinable terms of tolerance with the "multi-culturalism" fabrication they use to explain away their ineptitude to deal with reality, suddenly one is not required in good conscience or even resonable logic to act up said threat.

In other words, the UN's typical reaction. Everyone run around, talk a lot, explain it away and try harder to "understand" them so that you dont have to "DO" anything, yet beat down anyone who points out the obvious with unjust and undue criticism.

love you too there sweetheart, now shush and "let those who have eyes see"

 
At 5/12/2006 1:54 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
Not that you as a "born again" don't consider yourself superior on the basis of nothing more than an internal dialogue.

I knew the above would be your response as you've typed in almost those very words a few times over at Beak's, addressing me. You're so predictable.

And, of course, YOU don't consider yourself superior, with all your bucks and Marxist wisdom.

one of the reasons the Koran is considered divinely ispired is the quality of the poetry

I take it, then, that you've read the Koran? I fully admit that I haven't read the Koran in Arabic; I have enough trouble wading through it in English, especially since the chapters are not in chronological order. I have, however, been to mosque more than once and have heard the words chanted; you won't hear me say that the chanting is not quite beautiful, though the quarter tones rankle my Western-developed ear for music. Nevertheless, I do have a fondness for "exotic" music.

Is all "quality poetry" is divinely inspired? Hmmmm....There's a thought, but who determines the definition of "quality" plays in as well.

Whatever. I'm off to work in just a few minutes. Maybe someone else will come along to trade barbs with you as that particular activity makes you feel superior.

PS: When my back hurts the way it's hurting today and when I can't even tell my left foot is attached to my body, I just don't have the patience for much exchange.

 
At 5/12/2006 2:00 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

G,
Duck is just having his own version of a good time. Remember, he's here to help. He tells us so with some frequency, yet accuses us of using aphorisms.

 
At 5/12/2006 2:39 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

I thought your post was an excellent read, AOW.

Hope you feel better straightaway!

 
At 5/12/2006 3:14 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

g, what you fail to understand is that you represent a culture. Now just where in the world do you think Southern protestants are truly accepted. Get it?

So it's kind of a go along to get along except you southerners seem to think your culture is somehow in demand.

You're like the Afrikaans ... no place else to go so be thankful that you are tolerated and not expelled.

 
At 5/12/2006 3:56 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

Excellent work AOW!!!..truly brilliant!..thank u thank u for posting this.Sorry I have nothing intellectual to add....it was all covered!

 
At 5/12/2006 3:59 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

AOW, you can get a hint of it in "Approaching the Koran". That's an excellent introduction. It's also the book that was recommended read at Chape Hill and the one Bill O'Reilly called equivalent to Mein Kampf. Highly enlightened.

You might also like to try some music. One I especially like is available from Rounder in the Anthology of World Music --- Music of Morocco. Be careful when you purchase these discs as you get put on one of Chucklenut's bad person lists but by this time if you're not on one you aren't much of a free individual, are you?

 
At 5/12/2006 4:49 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

See AOW this is what I mean by your arrogant superiority:
House Adds ‘Prayer Protection’ to Defense Bill, Over Chaplains’ Objections
Included in the $513 billion defense authorization bill passed yesterday by the House is language that “protects” military chaplains’ right to pray specifically in the name of Jesus—a measure that opposes the wishes of the chaplains themselves, as well as Navy and Air Force regulations. Under current rules, chaplains are allowed to pray in the name of whomever they want in voluntary services, which almost all services are; it’s only the official ceremonies, where attendance is mandatory, that they are required to offer nonsectarian prayer. There’s nothing wrong with the current system, according to Rear Adm. Louis Iasiello, a Roman Catholic priest and chief of Navy chaplains, who says that the language in the bill “ignores and negates the primary duties of the chaplain to support the religious needs of the entire crew”. The language was added to the bill after intense lobbying by evangelical Christian groups including Focus on the Family and the Christian Coalition.

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I've actually had two guys I know down at "the fort" who are Roman catholic tell me just how livid they are about this. I find nothing unusual, you and your ilk have no respect for anything except your own little clique. You pervery the Gospels and wonder why you are not embraced. It isn't just Islam you hate and maybe you are going to be seperated along with the rest of the goats.

 
At 5/12/2006 4:58 PM, Blogger OSONSFORLIBERTY said...

DUCKY; TYPICAL LIBERAL DELUSIONAL THINKER. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO THE MIDDLE EAST? YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT THINGS, THAT YOU DON,T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT. HE LIKES TO 'WAX' ON ELOQUENTLY ABOUT HOW POETIC THE KORAN IS, BUT HE WILL NOT ADMIT THAT IT IS A BOOK THAT,S ANTI ILLOGICAL TO EVERYTHING WE BELIEVE IN, IN THE WESTERN COUNTRIES. DUCKY, DO ME A FAVOR, WHY DON,T YOU GO RECYCLE YOUR SANDALS OR SOMETHING USEFUL LIKE THAT! MAYBE HUG SOME TREES OR SAVE THE WHALES!!

 
At 5/12/2006 5:00 PM, Blogger nanc said...

osons - did you used to post at fpm?

 
At 5/12/2006 5:04 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

"Woe unto those who call evil good and good evil..." Truely good is being rejected wholesale worldwide. Matt.10:34-36 sayes it all. And Ducky, those were in red! So what you think and say are no surprise to me, but I have no hatred toward you, only a vast pity at the waste! What is happening was revealed almost 2000 yrs. ago, they are coming true before our eyes. You are not my enemy, but I and others like me are yours.

tmw

 
At 5/12/2006 5:05 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

He substantiated much of what he said with a brief history of Islam, particularly with regard to the five-centuries-long “Holocaust in India” (Eleventh-Sixteenth Centuries), in which 80,000,000 were slaughtered by Muslims in the Indian subcontinent, and also mentioned at least one recent statement which he overheard from a Muslim in New York City after the most recent detonation of a bomb in Tel-Aviv, Israel:

“We need more bombs to kill more Jews.”

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Where to start, where to start.

I'd start buy having this learned individual establish what he though the population of the subcontinent was in the 11th - 16th century. 80,000,000 seems a little high for a kill rate. I'm not saying he's blowing smoke out his butt but you paid for this learned symposium and you should get the best scholarship available. Not some grifter.

Then we have hearsay evidence. What a surprise. A Hindu with a grudge against muslims wants to smear them as much as possible.

 
At 5/12/2006 5:09 PM, Blogger OSONSFORLIBERTY said...

NANC, WHAT,S FPM? I,VE ONLY BEEN POSTING FOR ABOUT 3 MONTHS. I LIVE OUT IN THE COUNTRY IN WEST CENTRAL ALBERTA CANADA. I DON,T HAVE A BLOG SITE YET, BUT HOPEFULLY SOON!

 
At 5/12/2006 5:41 PM, Blogger MissingLink said...

AOW,
It all sounds almost like my own words (just much more eloquent).
Violence in embedded into Islam and The Quran is the source of it the same way violence is an integral part of Nazi or communist ideology.

Defining the "enemy" is very important and by classifying our present danger as "extremism" is missing the target by a mile.
Islam in itself has to be brought to the same level in the perception of our societies as Nazism.
On a lot of occasions the Islamic apologist bring up the “you must read the Quran in Arabic to fully appreciate it” line.
This is nonsense since no ordinary Arab could possibly read and understand the original version of this scripture.
The difference between the “old” and “modern” Arabic is as huge as between Latin and Italian.
I hope you know the story behind Muhammad’s aversion to poets and poetry in general. All local Meccan poets (pre-Mohammedan Arabic culture had scores of them) made a laughing stock of Muhammad’s attempt of reciting his revelations.
They mocked his “unrefined” Arabic and his primitive poetry skills and also the fact that he tried to “sell” old stories as religious revelations (they pointed out - this comes from Christianity and this from Zoroastrian religion and so on).
Later he ordered to murder his “tormentors” and destroy their work.
Almost nothing survived this “book burnings”.
The first two poets to be killed were Al-Nadr bin al-Harith and Uqba bin Abu Muayt (March 624 after the Battle of Badr).
Killing of prisoners was until then unheard of (especially that both were from very rich families), as no ransom could’ve been expected.
After winning the battle of Badr Muhammad became cocky and ordered the murder of Asma bint Marwan a poetess, who lived in Medina. She was killed in her sleep by one of Muhammad’s henchman (also 624).
Just one moth after this murder Muhammad ordered Abu Afak another Medinan poet to be assassinated.
Here is the list of the remaining contemporary poets murdered on Muhammad’s orders:

September 624: Kab bin al-Ashraf (mixed Jewish-Arabic ancestry)
July-August 625: Ibn Malik
January 630: after the conquest of Mecca a daughter of Abdullah bin Katal’s who was a singer and poetess.
After this cultural cleansing all Arabs decided that Muhammad’s verses were the purest and the most beautiful and this became the official “party” line parroted by generations of terrorized Muslims and moronic Western apologists.

BTW AOW you must read Mein Kampf in German to appreciate its the sheer beauty and the power and wisdom radiating from it.
Better still if you can listen to Wagner and watch a video showing one of the Nazi rallies and listen to Fuhrer speeches.
Earth shattering experience.
Poetry in motion.

 
At 5/12/2006 5:44 PM, Anonymous religion of pieces said...

Ducky,
80 million was the total number of Hindu infidels sacrificed to Allah (the brothel-keeper and god-impersonator) over six or seven centuries of Razzia.

It works out at about 120,000 Allahu Akhbar-style beheadings a year. Well within the capabilities of the pre-Auschwitz technology of these proto-Nazis.

 
At 5/12/2006 6:02 PM, Blogger nanc said...

there used to be someone named "THAINE" at fpm who posted in all caps - that's all - i haven't seen him for awhile and thought you may be him. thanks for responding.

 
At 5/12/2006 6:26 PM, Anonymous religion of pieces said...

In my previous post I used the word 'razzia'. It has been pointed out that this is an Italian word refering to a Muslim slaving/ plundering/raping raid, and the correct tranliteration from the Arabic is actually 'Ghazi'

'Ghazi' is an originally Arabic word, from ghazd, 'to fight', also adopted by such languages as Turkish for Muslims vowed to combat non-believers.

For the ghāzīs in the marches, it was a religious duty to ravage the countries of the infidels who resisted Islam, and to force them into subjection. (Cambridge History of Islam, p. 283)
Also:

After the conquests had come to an end, the legal specialists laid down that the Caliph had to raid enemy territory at least once a year in order to keep the idea of jihad alive. (Peters, Jihad in Classical and Modern Islam: A Reader, p. 3)

- My profound apologies to any Muslims who have read my previous posts for my linguistic confusion misrepresenting the practices of the most sacred rites of their religion. - Razzia is a bad Islamophobic word. 'Ghazi' is the real Islam.

 
At 5/12/2006 7:33 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
See AOW this is what I mean by your arrogant superiority:
House Adds ‘Prayer Protection’ to Defense Bill, Over Chaplains’ Objections


It so happens that I did not support that bill. I supported the voluntary approach as to in Whose name any prayer is being offered.

I'd like to see the credentials of the advisors for Approaching the Koran. From what I've observed, Bill O'Reilly is inordinately ignorant about Islam. I'm no authority on the topic--not by a long shot--but O'Reilly knows even less. The difference between O'Reilly and me is that I know that I still have research to do; he, on the other hand, doesn't have a clue that there is research to do.

Comparing the Koran and Mein Kampf, from this source:

Mein Kampf- States that Germans are the superior race of mankind and that Germany is destined to rule the world , and dominate all other races and nations.

Q'uran-States that Islam and Muslims are the superiors of mankind and that Islam is divinely mandated to rule the world and dominate all other races, creeds and nations.
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Mein Kampf-Says that the German State is to have control over every aspect of life. Says all individuals must submit to the State

The Q'uran-Says that Islam and Sharia is to have control over every aspect of life. Says all individuals must submit to Islam.
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Mein Kampf-Says that Germans have the duty to claim their divinely appointed place in the world by whatever means necessary. Puts loyalty to the Volk(the race)above all other ethical considerations.

The Q'uran-Says that Muslims have a duty to wage Jihad and to advance Islam's domination over the world (Dar Islam and Dar Harb) by any means necessary. Places loyalty to fellow Muslims(Umma)and Islam above all other ethical considerations.
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Mein Kampf-Mandates that men are superior to women and that women's place should be limited to procreation, the kitchen and the home.

The Q'uran-Mandates that men are superior to women and that women's place should be limited to procreation, the kitchen and the home. (Admittedly, the Q'uran goes quite a bit farther than Mein Kamph on this topic)
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Mein Kampf-Says that homosexuals are `race traitors' and should be condemned to death. (Many, in fact were murdered in the concentration camps).

The Q'uran-Says homosexuals are unholy to Allah and should be condemned to death
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Mein Kampf-Sets out a detailed model for world conquest, including rules for how conquered peoples are to be suppressed and dominated by the German race. States that the wealth, resources and property of subject peoples belongs to Germans by right and the right to life for subject peoples is dependent on Germans. States that non-Germans have no legal or civil rights.

The Q'uran-Sets out a detailed model for world conquest, including rules for how conquered peoples are to be suppressed and dominated by Muslims. States that the wealth, resources and property of subject peoples belongs to Muslims by right and the right to life for subject peoples is dependent onMuslims. States that non-Muslims have no legal or civil rights. (in truth, a lot of this has it's basis in the Hadith and the Sunna, but both derive essentially from what's in the Q'uran., along with all the other aspects of Sharia)
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Mein Kampf-Divides the world into `German land' and enemy territory. States that land with Germans living in it or land that once had Germans ruling it rightfully belongs to Germany, and Germany is entitled to get it back by any means necessary.

The Q'uran-Divides the world into `Dar Islam' (Muslim ruled land) and enemy territory (Dar Harb). States that land with Muslims living in it or land that once had Muslims ruling it rightfully belongs to Dar Islam, and Muslims are entitled to get it back by any means
necessary.
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Mein Kampf-Blames the Jews for society's ills and says that they will be exterminated.

The Q'uran-Blames the Jews for society's ills and says that they will be exterminated. (`On the day of Judgement the rocks and trees will call out `O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me! Come and slay him!’)
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Whoopsie.

There are lots of other striking parallels, but I think you get the point.

Are all Muslims Nazis? Nah. But the Q'uran ain't your average religious scripture either. As I've said more than once,Islam is a political ideology hiding inside a religion.

 
At 5/12/2006 7:35 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Missing Link,
I doubt that Dr. Suseelan is more eloquent than you.

And thank you for posting that long comment. You made the point for me during my absence.

 
At 5/12/2006 9:18 PM, Blogger Cubed © said...

You know what's really scary about Muslims?

They aren't crazy (except for the usual number of people suffering from the usual psychoses such as schizophrenia and manic-depressive disorder), which exist among Muslims at about the same rate that true mental illness exists among populations elsewhere in the world.

The guards in Hitler's concentration camps weren't crazy, either.

Neither are the initiates into Hispanic gangs who engage in hideously cruel acts in order to be accepted into the gangs - one such act that was reported on a local TV station in my area involved the roasting alive of a puppy on a grill in a local park.

That's what's so damned scary about these people. They aren't insane. Mostly, they are evil people making evil choices. Many of them have been thoroughly brainwashed, but they don't fit the criteria (in medicine) for psychosis.

I can't say that NONE of them fit the medical criteria for craziness, but most do not. Some of the worst, like Zarqawi, are sociopaths. He is definitely one of those defective individuals who uses Islam to morally justify his bloodthirstiness.

As a group, Muslims are narcissists. There are several degrees of narcissism, ranging from the barely recognizable to the most obvious. As you go from the least noticeable to the most obvious, you see increasing degrees of explaining things in terms of being a victim of conspiracies.

The worst kind of narcissism, the kind we see on display so often in things like the Khartoonifada, is pretty much the same thing we normally see in a bunch of frustrated two-year-olds responding to our refusal to grant them everything that they want RIGHT NOW with "hold-my-breath-'til-I-turn-blue, $8.00 marryin' Sam" temper tantrums.

Most two-year-olds hold advanced degrees in narcissism. In most parts of the world, though, most people continue to advance developmentally, and "outgrow" the narcissistic "phase."

Not so with Muslims. The particular philosophy that they are subjected to from birth through puberty leaves them frozen in narcissistic hell forever.

Unfortunately, we are in the same room with them while they're indulging themselves in the screaming heebee-jeebees. Some people are making the mistake of trying to "reason" with them (negotiating, appeasing, etc.), when they should be locking them up in a room by themselves or even giving them an ice-bath!

It's the whole "start when they're young and keep at it until it's too late and too hard to change" thing.

It's why I keep nagging about the imnportance of teaching our kids from the ground up about why our ideas are valid, and the ones held by Islam, fascism, communism, and even narcissism.

Don't let anybody fool you into thinking these assholes are crazy. Frankly, I have serious doubts that even Ahmadinejad is nuts. I think he's brainwashed all right, and that he's a profound narcissist, but he's crazy like a fox.

Hitler wasn't nuts, either, and neither were Stalin, Attila the Hun or Tamurlane.

Unfortunately (lots of misfortune here today), there are just a lot of evil people out there making evil choices. One of the distinguishing characteristics of the true Crazies is that they have little capacity for choice.

Chuckie Manson - now HE is nuts!

 
At 5/12/2006 9:21 PM, Blogger Cubed © said...

"...why our ideas are valid, and the ones held by Islam, fascism, communism, and even narcissism are not"

Sorry.

 
At 5/12/2006 9:49 PM, Blogger beakerkin said...

Now we have conclusive proof the Duck is out of his mind. The Koran is not poetic as anything in a semitic tounge sounds poetic due to the Semitic language structure.
The torah also has musical notes and is sung as well. However if you weren't such an ignoramus you would know that too.

I suppose we could place notes in the Communist Manifesto but it would never remove the stench of 100,000,000 dead. Your ignorance of the basic history of Islam is the parties position.

Beamish in 08

 
At 5/12/2006 10:13 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak,
Bwahahahaha!!!

Nobody says it like Beak.

Bwahahahaha!!!

 
At 5/13/2006 1:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

cubed and aow - right as rain. too many eerie similarities for it all the be attributable to craziness.

and, o.t., but the last time i saw iran watch was at democracy frontline yesterday morning.

 
At 5/13/2006 1:41 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

The story of Islam is the story of murderous pedophilic barbarians foresworn to capture the holy sites of other religions and destroy them.

 
At 5/13/2006 7:17 AM, Blogger LASunsett said...

• Rationalization
• Indifference
• A sense of entitlement
• Super optimism
• Lack of Guilt
• Shallow emotions
• Lack of remorse
• Egocentricity
• Grandiosity


Kinda sounds a little like Washington too. (No kinda to it)

Thanks for posting on this event. It has been most interesting.

 
At 5/13/2006 7:39 AM, Blogger Lone Pony said...

Thank you for the information. I too believe nuclear weapons will be the terrorists tools.

 
At 5/13/2006 9:02 AM, Blogger Mark said...

Always:

“The ideology behind terrorism is Islam. Period."

I have always said this. It should be obvious to all except those who do not wish to see. And of course we all know that there are none so blind as those who do not wish to see!

I wish I had been there to listen to Dr. Babu Suseelan! It seems as though he told it like it really is!

This is an excellent blog, Always; it really lays it on the line. I wish GWB would stop by and read it, too!

Nothing is so stupid than to ignore the lessons of history! The history of confrontation with Islam goes back a long way. It beggars belief that there are so many 'educated' people around who are totally unwilling to accept the reality of what is staring them in the face.

Westerners and their 'leaders' have been too tolerant of this death cult for far, far too long. Tolerance is generally good; but not in all cases. There is such a thing as being too tolerant. We have become just that!

It is high time that we started appreciating our own CULTURE and CIVILIZATION. It is also high time that we started doing what is necessary to ensure its survival. For one thing is absolutely sure: Islam will destroy it all: our way of life; our liberty; our free-thinking; our creativity; our art, our progress; our tolerance; our culture; our everything! Only to replace it all with barbarism and a blind faith in the elusive Allah and his false prophet!

 
At 5/13/2006 10:12 AM, Blogger nanc said...

let's see if my comment comes in anonymous. two up was mine to cubed and aow. nanc

 
At 5/13/2006 1:24 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

A bit more about Muslim proselytizing in the American prison-system, from this source:

When prisoners in New Folsom State Prison near Sacramento become adherents to the political ideology of radical Wahhabi Islam, form a terrorist cell while in prison (Jamat Ul-Islam Is Saheeh) and plot terrorist acts against three National Guard facilities, the Israeli Consulate and several synagogues in the Los Angeles area; when accused "Dirty Bomber" Jose Padilla (a.k.a. Abdullah al-Muhajir) a former Chicago street gang member converts to Islam during a term at a Broward County, Florida jail and falls in with terrorist recruiters after his release; when Aqil Collins, a self-confessed jihadist turned FBI informant, converts to Islam while doing time in a California juvenile detention center and later trains with one of the men accused of kidnapping and beheading Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl; when convicted terrorists from the 1993 World Trade Center bombing are put into their prison's general population and proselytize other inmates in radical Islam because prison officials fear being accused of "religious profiling"; or when Muslim inmates are allowed to conduct radical Islamic, virulently anti-American and anti-Western services in loosely monitored prison chapels across our nation...there is something going on in our prison system that relates directly to our current war on Islamic radicalism.
For years, the Washington-based Center for Security Policy has been tracking the infiltration of U.S. prisons by agents of Saudi Wahhabism....

The conversion program is funded with Saudi money through the National Islamic Prison Foundation, an organization that underwrites “prison outreach” but whose real goal is the conversion of large numbers of inmates (primarily African-American) not only to Wahhabism, but to its radical Islamist agenda....and the effort is both successful and, for the most part, hidden from public view.

Islam is the fastest growing religion among young, incarcerated African-Americans. Some figures suggest that one out of three African-Americans in federal prison are Muslim and most converted during their imprisonment. With an estimated 250,000 Muslim inmates in the nation's prisons (making up 10% to 17% of the prison and jail population), there are reasons for concern especially since Foundation officials claim an average of 135,000 additional conversions per year. When these inmates are released from prison with the customary $10, a suit of clothes and a one-way bus or train ticket, they know any mosque or masjid (Islamic Center) will shelter and feed them and help them find a job. Prison authorities believe that these converted inmates could serve as terrorists once they are released, murdering their own countrymen in a kind of "payback" for perceived injustices done to them by "white America."

The radical Muslim chaplains who carry out these proselytization efforts are trained and certified for the U.S. Bureau of Prisons by two specific Wahhabi-oriented institutions in the U.S. - The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) based in Plainfield, Indiana and the Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences (GSISS) which was recently renamed Cordoba University and is located in Ashburn, Virginia. According to the October 2003 Senate testimony of Dr. Michael Waller of the Institute of World Politics, Operation Green Quest (the American financial response to 9/11) raided GSISS offices in March 2002 for "potential money laundering and tax evasion activities and their ties to terrorist groups such as al Qaeda as well as individual terrorists.... (including) Osama bin Laden." The GSISS was raided because of its suspected funding ties to the World and Islam Studies Enterprise, a terrorist front group established by former University of South Florida professor Sami Al-Arian who was recently convicted for heading the American fundraising efforts of Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Al-Arian currently faces deportation....

In our prison system, Islamist imams have demanded, and, for the most part, have been granted the exclusive franchise for Muslim proselytization to the forceful exclusion of moderates. This surge of radical Wahhabism in our prisons has had a profound and unfortunate impact upon moderate non-Wahhabi Muslims, most notably Shi'ite Muslims and spiritual Muslims known as Sufis. Not only are they subject to religious intimidation, but moderate Islamic literature has also begun disappearing from prison libraries....


More information at the above link.

 
At 5/13/2006 2:16 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Kev,
How can anyone, including daffy duck, dispute what has been said here?

Ducky gets his jollies by disputing whatever he can find provided what he finds is not leftist in orientation.

 
At 5/13/2006 2:18 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Ogre,
Just imagine, for a moment if the illegals from Mexico were all mulsims...

Conversion to Islam has reached Latin America. I've read that mosques are sprouting up in the jungles.

The Latinos' Spanish ancestors must be rolling in their graves, after all that Spain went through from 711-1492.

 
At 5/13/2006 2:23 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Eyes,
The philosophy of islam is closer to that of Charles Manson than Jesus Christ.

I had that very thought when I heard Dr. Suseelan speak. So many parallels, among them the cult aspect.

Dr. Suseelan didn't reference Charles Manson, however.

 
At 5/13/2006 2:28 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Religion of Pieces,
Islam is the only major religion not based upon the Golden Rule.

Thank you for pointing that out. I believe that Ali Sina has made that point in one of his essays.

In fact, Islam is not a religion in any normal sense

As Jason likes to put it--"a geopolitical ideology."

Our prisons have already become a breeding ground for conversion to Islam. If Islam truly parallels the criminal mindset, many inmates are already primed.

 
At 5/13/2006 2:32 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Religion of Pieces,
From that link you provided:

Home Secretary John Reid has rejected suggestions London bomber Sidique Khan blamed his actions on the Iraq war.

Mr Reid was asked if ministers wished to avoid a public inquiry because they feared it would fuel a debate about Iraq being a motive of the bombers.

He said Iraq had not been mentioned in the bombers' wills or testaments.


If the above is so, many Western assumptions about the source of the hatred has been misplaced.

 
At 5/13/2006 2:41 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Subject/Verb agreement: "have been misplaced."

 
At 5/13/2006 3:50 PM, Blogger Jason_Pappas said...

Yes, it is a political ideology first and foremost. By the way, someone who looks like you linked to my article about Mohammad's Ethnic Cleansing of Medina on another discussion board. People there did some research and have had to agree with me even if they aren't comfortable about my terminology.

 
At 5/13/2006 4:03 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Cubed,
They aren't insane. Mostly, they are evil people making evil choices. Many of them have been thoroughly brainwashed, but they don't fit the criteria (in medicine) for psychosis.

Thank you for saying that! All too often, we say that somebody is crazy, when the truth is that he is praciticing a code which, by our definition, is amoral.

My grandmother, who hailed from the hills of east Tennessee, used to say that we too freely bandy about the word "crazy." She said, "Sometimes it's not 'crazy.' It's just pure meanness."

IMO, narcissism if left unchecked, leads to amorality. Self-centeredness to the exclusion of the feelings of all others leads to the inability to hold oneself acoountable. And because Islam doesn't have any equivalent of the Golden Rule, the followers of MTP and of Allah are primed to be the supreme narcissists. If that narcissism is advocated and reinforced from a young age, conscience, as we know the term, is corrupted and perverse.

As Dr. Phares pointed out at the Symposium, our justice system is too ignorant about Islam to be able to reach just verdicts/sentences and to "understand" this particular type of criminal, who amounts to a counterculturalist. Counterculturalists are not necessarily psychotic, just out to change the world order. And that brings me around to Hitler and Stalin, and their like.

Counterculturalists who want to dominate and/or kill all who don't subscribe to their system--that's how I see Islamists. Now, where is the room for compromise? I don't see any, especially since the paradigm is kept closed by means of force and thus suppresses or destroys the conscience.

 
At 5/13/2006 6:05 PM, Anonymous religion of pieces said...

Regarding AOW's comment:

"And because Islam doesn't have any equivalent of the Golden Rule, the followers of MTP and of Allah are primed to be the supreme narcissists"

One should be aware that the bombheads often practise taqiyya by claiming that the following saying of The Pervert is the Mohammedan version of the Golden Rule:

"No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself." - Hadith recorded by al-Bukhari, Sunnah

In fact, this is Allah's command to ignore, break and desecrate the Golden Rule. It is an injunction to rape, pillage, castrate and murder.

The word 'brother', in the Islamic context, does not mean a blood relative. Neither does it mean a fellow human being. What is means is a male member of the Ummah. Check out any Muslim website and you will find 'brother' used in this sense. Muslims only address fellow Muslims as 'brother', they never use this term to najis Kaffirs.

So what this Hadith actually says is: "No one of you is a believer until he desires for his fellow male Muslim that which he desires for himself"

And what does he desire for himself? Plunder, sexually submissive women and children, African eunuchs, severed Judeo-Christian heads and 72 virgins in Allah's celestial brothel.

This Hadith is about 'Honor among thieves'. It has nothing to do with the Golden Rule or the ethics of reciprocity.

Genuine religions bring out the best in people - Islam does the opposite.

 
At 5/13/2006 11:00 PM, Blogger Kyle said...

Islam is a perfect reflection of its creator, a murderer, an oathbreaker, a pedophile, and a slavemaster.

 
At 5/13/2006 11:01 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Jason,
By the way, someone who looks like you linked to my article...

Yes, there is a resemblance. But that particular avatar is the original Rosie, with the original motto. Wareen changed some details in my avatar, including the background color and the shape of the eyes.

Rosie the Riveter is in the public domain, and I'm seeing her in several places, including a car-maintenance book for women.

 
At 5/13/2006 11:02 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Religion of Pieces,
One thing is for sure...Islam doesn't allow for the Christian concept of loving one's enemy. Just look at the restrictions within the Islamic definition of "brother."

 
At 5/13/2006 11:03 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Kyle,
The character of every major ideology reflects that of its founder.

Islam was founded as a male-centrist ideology, and panders to all kinds of sexual desires which satisfy men. And, yes, pedophilia is included.

 
At 5/13/2006 11:55 PM, Blogger nanc said...

AOW - A MUST READ - came in a newsletter i receive and i had to go hunting for it, but finally found it here:

http://www.nfbnet.org/pipermail/faith-talk/2004-January/003606.html

interesting.

 
At 5/14/2006 12:26 AM, Blogger Mad Zionist said...

Courageous guy. Nice find, AOW. I still think we need to go a few steps further than he advocates, but it was good to see islam itself blamed for the crimes of its followers.

The best way to deal with islam is to criminalize it as a terrorist organization, and then prosecute the vermin, and those quislings who support them, ruthlessly and without mercy.

 
At 5/14/2006 2:41 AM, Blogger F.B. Jones said...

Good point Kyle.
It is a shame 12 steps won't work for most of them. They do display the same sympoms of an addict.

 
At 5/14/2006 7:27 AM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

Happy Mothers Day all you Moms, you know who you are!
May it be blessed and beautiful!

tmw

 
At 5/14/2006 8:19 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

TMW,
I don't have any biological children, and Mom died in 1987. Mother's Day now is not one of my favorite times of the year.

But the loveliest thing happened last night....I heard a knock on the front door. And who was there? One of my homeschool students and her mother. This student gave me a bouquet of flowers and a special card--a Mother's Day card; where the card said "Mom," she had crossed out the word and written "Teacher" so that the front of the card read "For My Teacher." The verse inside the card is lovely, and the student also wrote me a beautiful, personal note which basically said that I, as a teacher, have been a mother to my students.

The little tribute from that student made my day!

Happy Mother's Day to you, TMW. I hope that you get some pampering.

 
At 5/14/2006 9:29 AM, Blogger Mad Zionist said...

You're linked to the Mad Zionist. Happy Mother's Day!

-MZ

 
At 5/14/2006 9:31 AM, Blogger eyesallaround said...

Happy Mother's Day AOW!

 
At 5/14/2006 9:42 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

MZ,
I'll reciprocate right now. Thanks!

 
At 5/14/2006 12:17 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Religion of Pieces is right on target as usual!

 
At 5/14/2006 12:48 PM, Blogger City Troll said...

Great Post and some grest comments

 
At 5/14/2006 1:14 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

AoW- I have found some of the most motherly, loving, caring Mothers weren't physical ones but spiritual, emotional and intellectual ones! So you are included in the HAPPY MOTHERS DAY Aow! Bet Mothers Day in heaven will find you babied, pampered, primped and waitted on hand and foot! So there!

tmw

 
At 5/14/2006 2:11 PM, Blogger Esther said...

AOW, fantastic job!!!!!!!! Sounds like you had quite an experience at this symposium. Simply amazing.... Thanks for letting us know about this!

 
At 5/14/2006 3:48 PM, Blogger Stogie said...

An excellent post, AOW. This is the kind of meat that bloggers look for and hope to duplicate. I loved it! And it's always amusing to hear Ducky explode in a flurry of Leftist cliches, insults and sarcasm. I suspect he named himself after the little rubber ducky his mom gives him when he takes a bath.

 
At 5/14/2006 5:35 PM, Anonymous religion of pieces said...

Some more information on the history of Islamic criminality. A little-known feature of Islam was state-sponsored piracy and slave raids against Western Europe, which only ceased with the Anglo-Dutch naval bombardment of Algiers in 1816.

This topic is NEVER taught in European school history classes.

Ref
http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/brimstone2.php?leeId=69

 
At 5/14/2006 9:32 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Stogie,
Thank you for the compliment. I DO try to come up with good material. I can't do that every single day nor every single time, however.

I have no idea as to how Mr. Ducky came up with his handle, but you might have a good theory. Wasn't there some kind of 60s comedy routine about "rubber ducky"?

 
At 5/14/2006 9:33 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Religion of Pieces,
I'm off to check that link right now.

 
At 5/14/2006 9:41 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Religion of Pieces,
From the link you provided:

The Islamic terror began in ‘the terrible summer of 1625’ when North African corsair slave raiders invaded and devastated the southern coasts of England, and for a short while even raised the green battle standard of Islam over English territory that had engraved upon it the terrible promise “The gates of Paradise are under the shade of swords ." From the coast of Cornwall, Devon, Dorset and Southern Ireland the Islamic slave raiders murdered and stole away entire villages to be sold into slavery in the Islamic Empire of the East....

The impact of these attacks on the European nations attacked by the murderous pirates was devastating – France, England, and Spain each lost thousands of ships, and long stretches of the Spanish and Italian coasts were almost completely depopulated and abandoned by their inhabitants. At its peak, the destruction and depopulation of some European areas probably exceeded what European slavers would later inflict on the African interior when indigenous African slave traders sold their fellow blacks to European slave traders. Europe at that time was in the grip of fear from Islam....


Just goes to prove that terrorism is nothing new in Islam. And there's lots more to the article. Thank you for providing the information!

How much of Columbus's quest for a new route was due to Islamic disruption of certain trade routes? I should check Trifkovic's and Bostom's books on that topic.

 
At 5/15/2006 2:22 AM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

Here's an ammo drop for everyone's anti-Islamic information arsenal, suitable for printing, or reading online via the table of contents on the right sidebar.

(In case anyone hasn't read this yet)

 
At 5/15/2006 8:37 AM, Blogger kev said...

Somehow, I don't theink the "poetry" of the koran is what attracts most of these thugs to that philosophy/religion. And had Mein Kampf been written in beautiful prose, I don't believe that would have dressed up in ant way the terrible threat it carried. Daffy, as usual, your estreme leftism/marxism is showing, and you are willing to elevate anything that is un-AMERICAN. Most American blacks convert to islam in prisons because there they are taught that what they have done (to earn themselves prison) is not their fault, but that of the white race and this government. It IS an excuse for lawlessness. And regardless of what daffy duck says, malcom x was a COMMON, everyday, street criminal and heroin addict, who was eventually murdered by his own people.

 
At 5/15/2006 9:23 AM, Blogger nanc said...

in case anybody wants to write to mouse-owey (courtesy democracy frontline):

ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI
51427-054
Inmate Mail/Parcels
FLORENCE ADMAX USP
PO BOX 8500
FLORENCE, CO 81226
U.S.A.

 
At 5/15/2006 9:34 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mr. Beamish,
I've added that link to my right sidebar--"Prophet of Doom (PDF)." I recommend that those who want to uncover the whitewash of Islam take a look at that site.

 
At 5/15/2006 9:35 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
Write to Moussaoui? I think my letter would be censored.

 
At 5/15/2006 11:40 AM, Blogger nanc said...

did you see the article at democracy frontline? yep, they'd highlight mine with a black sharpee also!

you've said you needed some lighthearted time - i sent you just the thing you need - check your messages - needs a sturdy chair with good arms!

 
At 5/15/2006 1:52 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Well kev, we certainly disagree. My take, there's more than just a little of the bigot about you but it hardly matters.

You represent a minority that is completely innefective in government and are really for comic purposes only.

Won any political victories lately?

 
At 5/15/2006 2:51 PM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

I see Ducky is doing his rounds and throwing sand in our eyes!

tmw

 
At 5/15/2006 3:10 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

ase instruct me. This symposium is supposed to be some big deal. No just what happened?

A bunch of people who hate muslims paid money to hear some more reasons to hate muslims. Not that they needed more reasons, but it's their money. So a bunch of "speakers" get up and rehash a lot of simplistic dogma.

Why is that worthy of note? It's all just one tape loop. When have you presented anything insightful?

 
At 5/15/2006 6:41 PM, Anonymous religion of pieces said...

ALLAH THE METEORITE

One line of attack on Islam which doesn't seem to have been followed up in the blogosphere concerns the existence of Allah. Some atheists have tried to prove that Allah doesn't exist, but it may be far more damaging to Islam to demonstrate that Allah does indeed exist and to show where 'he' resides and what 'he' is.

Christians and Jews believe that G_d is transcendent and omnipresent, he is not located in any particular place and indeed both transcends and permeates the physical structure of the universe.

In total contrast, Muslims are obsessively concerned with directing their prayers towards one particular location on planet earth, and line up their prayer mats and build their mosques pointing within a fraction of a degree towards Mecca. Muslim astronauts get particularly confused when in orbit because their god resides on earth - the majesty of the cosmos is lost on them. They believe that if you don't aim your prayers accurately at Mecca they won't have any effect. Very strange!

So we must conclude that Allah lives somewhere in Mecca. The entire city, including hotels, car parks, public lavatories, electricity substations etc cannot be equally and universally holy. So what is the object of this idolatrous worship?

The structure that every Muslim bows down to five times a day is Allah's house - the Kaaba.

And yes, inside it you will find Allah himself, who does indeed exist, and is none other than - a meteorite!

Allah is a chunk of space junk!

 
At 5/15/2006 9:36 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Having trouble with my connection and using primitive dial-up just to post this notice.

Later!

 
At 5/15/2006 10:33 PM, Blogger OSONSFORLIBERTY said...

RE; DUCKY. DUCKY MY DEAR FRIEND, HAVE YOU DONE WHAT I TOLD YOU TO DO YET? I,M NOT SURPRIZED AT YOUR POLITICS BEING THAT YOU COME FROM THE SAME PLACE AS TED KENNEDY. I LOOKED AT YOUR PROFILE , AND I,M GONNA GUESS THAT YOU WERE PROBALY ONE OF THEM HIPPIE WEENIES ABOUT 30, 35 YRS AGO? EITHER THAT ,OR YOUR A HEATHEN POSING AS A LEFT WING NUT! YOU ARE TRULY DELUSIONAL AND SUICIDALY STUPID!!!! AS MY GRANDMA , WOULD HAVE SAID YOU ARE A 'DUPA'!!!!!! I WOULD DEBATE YOU BUT, YOU ARE NOT IN MY LEAGUE. I,VE SERVED IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND HAVE WORKED IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES IN S.E. ASIA. WHERE YOU BEEN ALL YOUR LIFE!!!!!! YOUR ONE OF THEM SMUG LIBERAL NO MINDS THAT THINK BECAUSE YOU,VE ATE AT A FEW ETHNIC RESTAURANTS, THAT YOU KNOW CULTURE AND HISTORY! YOU AND ALL LIBERALS ARE A JOKE! I THINK GOD MADE LIBERALS , SO THE REST OF US COULD BE ENTERTAINED!!!!

 
At 5/15/2006 11:44 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

OSOL,

Don't confuse leftists (Ducky) with liberals (people who have minds to use even if they don't).

 
At 5/16/2006 7:37 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
i sent you just the thing you need - check your messages

I didn't see anything from you, from your usual email address. Let me check my spam folder.

 
At 5/16/2006 7:57 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
My spam folder is empty. Resend?

 
At 5/16/2006 8:08 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
This symposium is supposed to be some big deal. No just what happened?

Education. Your definition of that word probably differs from mine.

You attend your classes, and I attend mine.

 
At 5/16/2006 8:23 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Religion of Pieces,
One line of attack on Islam which doesn't seem to have been followed up in the blogosphere concerns the existence of Allah.

Along those lines, read "Muhammad's Night Vision," by Cubed of Sixth Column. First few paragraphs:

Islam’s origin is ascribed to a vision in which the angel Gabriel appeared to the still pagan Muhammad. Many explanations have been proposed as the source of the vision(s), ranging from divine inspiration, demonic possession, psychiatric disorders, dreams, trances, seizures, or just plain lies and deceptions.

There is another explanation for Muhammad’s vision, if its description is revisited in the light of what is known now, in the 21st century....


Although the above doesn't directly address what you said in your comment, I think you'll find Cubed's article very interesting. Also, Sixth Column's Web Page, not the same as the blog, is an excellent source for erudite articles of many types.

I believe that Dr. Anis Shorrosh has addressed the matter of the origins of Allah. A link to his web site is on my right sidebar. The title of that link is "Dr. Shorrosh."

 
At 5/16/2006 11:31 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Yes AOW, we attend our seperate classes. However, you continue to attend the same one.

 
At 5/16/2006 7:15 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
Yes AOW, we attend our seperate classes. However, you continue to attend the same one.

That's as far as YOU know. I don't report on everything I do or study.

 
At 5/17/2006 10:52 AM, Blogger kev said...

daffy, replying to one of your "observations" is truly time wasted. However, I will indulge myself. I have to tell you that you are right, and it may very well be one of the few times you are. You have my number, I am a bigot! No argument. But, contrary to what you, typically, want to imply, my bigotry is not aimed at any race or religion. My bigotry is aimed purely at those who have the destruction of my country, along with people who stand up for it, as a goal. Unlike what you and your ilk, who only run your mouths, spewing nothing but hatred and ignorance, want to believe, we in this country are the good guys of the world. Most countries in this world would simply collapse without our financial, humanitarian and technical aid. I can't even begin to understand how your side can defend in any way people who terrorize, and murder very viciously, in the name of their "god." These animals murder their own children in pursuit of... whatever. How can you justify setting a bomb where innocent people, including babies and young children, will assemble, killing and maiming them, because these islamic fanatics hate others, not of their "relgion"? And now you try to tell us that the koran is beautiful because of its "poetry." If we believe the terrorists, they are doing what they do because this beautiful piece of poetry tells them to do it. It is so easy to ignore reality and brush things away by your childish name-calling and dismissal of facts. And my words about malcom x are not based on racism. They are facts. But if you do want to attack racism and bigotry, look into the people you insist on defending. You don't have to look hard at all, they don't even bother to hide it. I hope you someday find peace, but I can guarantee it won't come with the people you defend. They also hate you because, even if only on the surface, you appear to be one of us. So be careful what you wish for......

 
At 5/17/2006 7:15 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Kev,
You've pointed out what has puzzled me by the defenders of the enemy sworn to the destruction of our way of life:

people who terrorize, and murder very viciously, in the name of their "god." These animals murder their own children in pursuit of... whatever. How can you justify setting a bomb where innocent people, including babies and young children, will assemble, killing and maiming them, because these islamic fanatics hate others, not of their "relgion"?

Islam itself divides the world into Muslims and "other." No room for multiculturalism in that way of thinking.

 
At 5/17/2006 7:41 PM, Anonymous religion of pieces said...

One major difference - perhaps THE most important difference - between the ethical standards of Muslims and those of the rest of humanity, is that Muslim ethics are dictated solely by Mohammed in the form of his instructions in the koran, and also by the example of his actions.

To Muslims, Mohammed is the 'perfect man' (al-insan al-kamil) and can do no wrong. Following his example is pleasing to Allah.

Everything else is 'man-made' and contrary to Allah's will. So to the Muslim, Mohammed's venomous, psychopathic, hate-filled rantings (koran) and his murderous, predatory, pedophilic example (hadith) are the sole arbiters of what is right and wrong.

This means that the Muslim must reject both the Golden Rule, and also the inner voice of his own conscience (both of which are so important in Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Bahai etc).

If you convert to Islam you must stop thinking for yourself (one of its attractions for some people) . If you are born a Muslim, you are never allowed to start thinking for yourself. And, of course, you need never obey your conscience if Mohammed has given you an excuse to follow his own repulsive example.

Since Mohammed was a mass-murderer and child-rapist, then there's nothing wrong with murdering and raping children.

Beslan? - Allahu Akhbar!!!

 
At 5/17/2006 8:56 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Religion of Pieces,
If you convert to Islam you must stop thinking for yourself (one of its attractions for some people) .

What you said in the parens is exactly one reason for some people's attraction to Islam. All one's thinking is pre-set, so to speak.

Everything else is 'man-made' and contrary to Allah's will.

Not only contrary, but also deserving of punishment or expungement!

 
At 5/18/2006 9:09 AM, Anonymous the merry widow said...

AoW- I just read on FPM a disturbing article about Iran and the SCO(Shanghai Cooperation Organization), our enemies are joinning together!

tmw

 
At 5/18/2006 6:05 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mark,
This is an excellent blog, Always; it really lays it on the line. I wish GWB would stop by and read it, too!

A few months ago, I sent some links to the President's office, but I don't think they were much appreciated. I got a letter back which emphasized the importance of all religions in our cultural fabric.

 
At 5/18/2006 6:39 PM, Blogger Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I got a letter back which emphasized the importance of all religions in our cultural fabric.

Well, murderers give the cops something to do between donuts.

 
At 5/19/2006 5:53 PM, Anonymous religion of pieces said...

"I got a letter back which emphasized the importance of all religions in our cultural fabric."

There are some creepy-crawly things eating away at our cultural fabric that could benefit from an application of cultural mothballs, or some more powerful cultural insecticide.

 

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