A List You Never See
My friend Warren has posted a must-see list. Excerpt:
"'The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.'--PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, 1977"The list begins with this:
"Jan 01, 1952 - Seven armed terrorists attacked and killed a nineteen year-old girl in her home, in the neighborhood of Beit Yisrael, in Jerusalem.And the list ends with this:
"Apr 14, 1953 - Terrorists tried for the first time to infiltrate Israel by sea, but were unsuccessful. One boat was intercepted and the other escaped.
"Jun 07, 1953 - A youngster was killed and three others were wounded, in shooting attacks on residential areas in southern Jerusalem."
"Apr 17, 2006 - Eleven people were killed and over 60 wounded in a suicide bombing during the Passover holiday at the Rosh Ha'ir shawarma restaurant, near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. The victims: Philip Balhasan, 45, of Ashdod; Rozalia Beseneyi, 48, and Piroşca Boda 50, of Romania; Marcel Cohen, 73, of Nice, France; Ariel Darhi, 31, of Bat Yam; Victor Erez, 60, of Givatayim; Binyamin Haputa, 47, of Lod; David Shaulov, 29, of Holon; Lily Yunes, 42, of Oranit. Lior Anidzar, 26, of Tel Aviv died of his wounds on May 13. Daniel Wultz, 16, of Weston, Florida (USA) died on May 14.As Warren notes in a comment:
"June 11, 2006 - Marwan Abed Shweika, 35, of the Abu Tor neighborhood in Jerusalem was killed and two other Arab Israelis were wounded in a shooting attack while driving late at night West Bank highway north of Jerusalem."
"The list is not complete by any means and it doesn't include the atrocities and pogroms committed against Jews in the Holy Land back to the turn of the last century."Go take a look at the entire list. Be prepared to scroll!
posted by Always On Watch @ 7/22/2006 06:45:00 AM
48 comments
48 Comments:
This stuff goes back TOO far. It is beyond time to end this...
I'm not sure how that will happen, but Israel MUST prevail.
Nanc,
It's going to be ugly. Combatting evil always is!
Hi AOW:
Another item that you will never see listed but should. It is not even taught in history because it clearly shows there is not now nor ever were a people called palestinian's:
132-35:The Roman Emperor Hadrian determined to wipe out the identity of Israel-Judah-Judea. Therefore, he took the name Palastina and imposed it on all the Land of Israel.
Just a thought for those who do not know.
Justin,
Excellent point! I knew that fact, but I'm at the age where I don't always tie in all my knowledge. **sigh**
Also, little known fact, Palastine is the Romanized term for Philistine! Who was a huge enemy back in the days? Yup, the Philistines! Slap in the face, I call it.
tmw
Good point MW.
See AOW now you arent the only one who has the problem of connecting all the dots when we reach that ummmmm certain age :)
TMW,
When the Israelites were stong in Yahweh, they were able to defeat the Philistines. A little shepherd boy took down a giant, despite the odds.
Justin,
At that certain age, teamwork makes all the difference.
I certainly do learn a lot from reading comment threads. I didn't know that about Palestine being the Roman term for "Philistine." Hope I can retain what I learn; there's so much to retain these days! ;)
Great post, AOW.
Gayle,
Here's a hint to help you keep track....I file certain comments. One category I use is "History Lessons."
Everyone comments on the trivia I dredge up! I just was given the type of mind that squirrels away these little facts, then a "little bird" brings them up later when they might be of use! Not my doing, just the kind of mind G*D gave me! But the name says it all, deny the reality of Israel's existence! Now if I can just get my fingers to keep up with my brain!
tmw
TMW,
I just was given the type of mind that squirrels away these little facts...
What a blessing! I can sometimes manage to pull up the facts, sometimes not. When the adrenaline flows, I can retrieve most anything which has crossed the corpus collosum. Coffee helps too!
Eyes,
Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Aqeda,,,, I think it's better to think of them as regional units and/or functional units of the larger army of "Islam". Hezbollah is simply the unit holding Israel's northern border, with smaller tactical units throughout the world (many I'm sure in the USA).
Are you reading my mind? My next post is about Hezbollah in North America. I plan to publish that posting next week. The draft is ready to go!
Always:
I look forward to your posting on Hezbollah in North America. The one thing that concerns me greatly is the fact the government has come out and said there are active Hezbollah cells in the U.S. If they know they are here then that would lead me to think they know where and who they are. If this is so why are they still on American soil. Are we waiting for another 9-11 or do we just lack the fortitude to remove them?
Why wait for another "Al Queda" to act out? It begs the question, "Is our Government truely doing what is needed to protect our country?"
Justin,
The one thing that concerns me greatly is the fact the government has come out and said there are active Hezbollah cells in the U.S.
At the Symposium which I attended in April, one of the speakers mentioned that either Hamas or Hezbollah has presence in at least 40 of our States. I'll have to dig out my notes to see which of those organizations was mentioned in that regard.
I doubt that our government knows all of the cell members, but I think that intelligence has been tracking the money trail. Much money goes to H and H via "charities," and not all of them have been busted.
I'm wondering if our intelligence is tracking CAIR's money trail?
Eyes,
What's totally disgusting to me is the dhimmis in Europe siding with the enemy.
Europe has a tradition of going belly-up. They call it diplomacy or compromise; I call it appeasement.
I have had this conversation many times with 167. He does point out the Peters book was allegedly debunked by Noran Finklestein. Given Finklesteins history I am somewhat sceptical.
I would point out that the PLO charter itself is filled with terms like Palestinian Arab and Arab unity. This is allegedly linguistic unity in the words of the incoherent 167.
167 calls this argument racist. I am still trying to define Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims in racial terms but can't make the jump. I guess the incoherent left has the ability to create ethnicities wherever they feel like it.
Warren, Justin and Jason have heard the incoherent 167 do this routine. Do note the vast preponderance of anti semites are like Ducky, commies. They rail against every ism except anti semitism. The last time they railed about anti semitism is when commie finks Julius and Ethel deservedly got the chair.
Beak:
Ahhh, 167 the one I called my little neanderthal who when challenged or faced with facts that could not be refuted would begin gutteral rantings that could only have been understood by the primates at the zoo.
If you are willing to be, uhhh, LAX with your facts you can debunk ANYTHING!!
As far as "Time Immemorial", reading through the 9 Appendices, extensive bibliography and really extensive footnotes (so many it is actually irritating at times) I would bet my money on Ms. Peters over Ms. Finkelstein.
The book is still available here:
http://shop.wnd.com/
Click "Books" on the left and then the "Israel/Islam" button on the right.
I have run across a lot of the information presented in her book over the years, but, she puts it all together and brings in much new information AND DOCUMENTS IT.
One of the first books that had me questioning the Common Knowledge was James A Michener's "The Source". I know, it isn't a HISTORY BOOK. Highly recommended anyway.
Beak & Justin,
I missed most of the exchanges with 167. Or maybe those occurred when I first started blogging and had my hands full dealing with Blogger.
Justin,
Michener's books may not be history per se, but I love most of his work anyway because of his extensive research. Certainly he could never be accused of Islamophobia.
I picked up Uris's The Haj at the library today. Now all I have to do is to make time to read it!
Cool.
Our Grav posted this list as well.
Missing Link,
Yes, I saw the list at DFL. Grav finds great stuff.
Uris's book on Afghanistan was a bizarre read also, I haven't read "The Haj", but will keep my eye out for it. "The Source" was interesting, helped me become interested in history many moons ago!
tmw
TMW
Uris never wrote on Afghanistan. The book you are mistaking it for is Mitchners Caravans. The Haj by Uris is an excellent book after
9-11. I loved the book until the ending. However the ending now makes sense due to recent events.
AOW you did not miss anything other then comedic mayhem with 167.
Posts claiming Jews stole the Holocaust are his standard fare. What does annoy me is that far left types like the Disgruntled Chemist ignore blatant anti semitism. Rob Bayn to his credit did give 167 a smackdown. Rob Bayn is a patriotic Liberal.
The list would be endless if it were complete...great find and thanks for posting it AOW!..truth hurts ..but it will set us free in the end...:)
You're right Beaker, shows how long it's been since I read it! Maybe I should mosey over to the library and check it out, or not, my life has become VERY busy lately. Don't ask, but our church is under going an upheaval! Of almost Biblical proportions! Guess whose got herself in the middle of it? Not my idea! It's funny where you find yourself in the battle for truth! Still plan on getting a class on the truth of mohammahdism off the ground also! Life, compressed and in the fast lane. The denoument of the ages approaches, mohammahdism is in the thick of it.
Good morning and G*D bless!
tmw
Beak, TMW, and Eyes,
As soon as I finish Daniel Isn't Talking, a novel about autism and I just started it yesterday, I'll be reading The Haj.
Caravans is a good book for further understanding of Afghanistan. Some of Michener's predictions didn't come true, but the information about Afghan culture is solidly researched.
TMW,
Is your church Southern Baptist? That denomination is known for having upheavals.
AOW, why spotlight Southern Baptist? I have yet to see a denomination without trials and tribulations. Trouble always surfaces when men try to run things instead of letting God lead the way.
AoW- Yes, I'm a nondenominational, neocharismatic! the "token" and I head the prayer ministry! hehehe! Our last sr. pastor was leading us to a more Biblical call for ministry, he got called to a worldwide ministry of the last days and some want to retreat to "Egypt" and "Laodicea" while others want to go forward with G*D and "Philadelphia"! Guess which side(or Whose) I'm on! I hate politics, but I'm in the fight so I won't quit!
tmw
the sobaps need an upheaval! we've been going to one for well over a year and the "purpose drivel nonsense" is the latest. one of the few fighting this disease is paul proctor of newswithviews.
what happened to just teaching the bible with good old commentation - all this new gadgetry is going to be the death of many churches. i'm with old soldier.
george barna's "frog in the kettle" written in 1990 is an excellent read - i'm in the middle of it. he has this time in history pegged to a tee. found it at a tag sale for fifty cents!
Yeah, I remember our battle is not with "flesh and blood" but with "powers and principalities"! So we are going against strongholds, none of which surprises me! Satan will use anything and anyone to fight against G*D's purposes! A good book that shows the spiritual reality is, Rick Joyner's, "The Final Quest", it is a series of visions he got about the last days battle. Not big, but vivid, needs small bites to chew on!
tmw
Old Soldier,
AOW, why spotlight Southern Baptist?
My first church was Southern Baptist, and I've never forgotten the fracas over something (can't recall know what that something was).
Southern Baptists tend to be "independent thinkers" and very outspoken, particularly as compared to those churches which belong to the World Council of Churches.
Now, having said all the above, I am grateful for that first church. I became a Christian there! I even remember the exact hymn being sung when I went up to the altar: "Love Lifted Me." After the brief counseling in the back room, we came out to sing that hymn with our brothers and sisters in Christ. All those years ago, and I still remember the details! (Even if I have to remind myself three times to turn on the slow-cooker. Hehehe.)
I have yet to see a denomination without trials and tribulations. Trouble always surfaces when men try to run things instead of letting God lead the way.
Sadly, some are willing to sit by as man leads the way. I left one church just because of that kind of thing.
Nanc,
what happened to just teaching the bible with good old commentation
Amen to that! Churches used to conduct Bible studies, detailed ones of particular books. When I was growing up, my church (now dissolved) had yearlong studies of Hebrews, Romans, Judges, Revelation, etc. These classes were open to teenagers and grounded us in the faith.
TMW,
Stand your ground if you feel "the pull." You know what I mean, I think.
AoW- That I do! When I stood up last Sunday night and told the truth about some things that were being misconstrued and assumed! Scared me to death(couldn't sleep later) but I obeyed! Asked where the men were too! I've had nothing but thanks from people who know the truth, but still, I was the only one to call the elephant in the livingroom an elephant! The politics has started, from formerly disinterested people! Trouble, in the making, I am praying for our 2 pastors who are trying to follow G*D's will, the third is unaccountable to anyone, skips meetings and ignores most of the church(won't have a thing to do with the youth, ignores them almost completely!) Sad, but he has his devotees! And there are 2 who are prepared to allow Satan to use them to destroy one of the others! Sick, sad, but it is not the people but Satan and his followers I'm arrowing in on! G*D has been using our church mightily, so you know who is out to stop it! Tough noogies, I'm standing for G*D and against Satan.
tmw
GREAT list.
i cannot understand a word that man says, eyes! sounds like he has a mouthful of marbles.
this is a post i found at fpm a few minutes ago, although the spelling and punctuation could use some help, i think y'all will get the hint (reference first article on pat buchanan/fpm):
"7/23/2006 12:34:17 PM
Name: e-pluribus-unum
Subject: Even in the delirium of his beating he believed .
Comment: When I was in the Navy, I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo (Philippines) that still haunts my dreams. The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized Latino sailor from my ship.
All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine --- figuring him for a safe target. When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight the Marine sucker punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man?s mutilated ear.
Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and upper cuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx.
Each punch opened a cut on the Marine?s startled face and by the time he had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight. He invoked his split lips and chipped teeth as reasons to stop the fight. He begged us to stop the fight because he could barely see through the river of blood that was pouring out of his split and swollen brows.
Nobody moved. Not one person. The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this sailor?s lighting fast fists making contact with new areas of the Marine?s head. The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker. Finally the Marine?s pleading turned to screams --- a high, almost womanly shriek. And still the punches continued relentlessly.
Several people in the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try and break it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them tight. I?m not ashamed to say that mine were two of the hands that held someone back. You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft cadence: ?Say you give up --- say you were ?.
He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage.
This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters ? right down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up --- or that he was wrong.
Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat. I?m sure this strategy had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his career as a barroom bully. Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked ?I give up?, and we gently backed the sailor away from him.
I?m sure you can guess why I have shared this story today. I?m not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine?s woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself it is to finally be rid of at least on of its tormentors:
This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage ? but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat.
Jut as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.
President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking on-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.
Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of ?Military Success of Arab Despots? by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in ?56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success:
Instigate a war
Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you --- get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease-fire.
Whatever you do, don?t surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population --- and will force a truce.
Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably cause the conflict in the first place) and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle.
This tactic has never failed. Not once! In fact it worked so well for the Egyptians in ?73, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War ? a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel ? as a military victory! No kidding ? it?s a national holiday over there! President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to ?Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we?ll be ready to discuss all matters.?
Uh huh, Forgive me if I find that to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar-targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country.
And now his country is in ruins and he wants to call it a draw. As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat.
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aow - hope you don't mind my reposting it here.
Eyes- Went to BSF when we lived in Santa Cruz,CA. You wouldn't have believed it from the town, but we had 180 women attending every week! I didn't agree with every thing, but the vast majority was outstanding. The depths reached were eye opening and of practical use in many cases! Enjoy, they're a great group!
tmw
Eyes- Watch out, you now qualify to lead a group! You may end up doing the group teaching! I think we learn more by teaching sometimes! Great going!
tmw
no, eyes - i'm north ark but just knowing there are people like this close by in the south makes me giddy.
AOW,
I grew up in a Southern Baptist church. My childhood pastor in Alabama was Billy Graham's (yes, that Billy Graham) roommate in seminary.
In an alternate universe (the one where Beamish didn't eventually make hobbies of drinking, dancing, and pre-marital sex), that pastor's blending of preaching the Gospel from the Scriptures with solid history and geography lessons to put things in context just about inspired a young Beamish to become a preacher himself.
As it is, I've not set foot in a church in 15+ years.
Mr. B.-Got burned? Happens unfortunately, too many Christians forget we're family and shoot our wounded! that's why we were given Matt. 18, to remind us we are supposed to care for and about each other! With your 3 ft. ponytail you would have been a hit as a youth pastor! You could have used it as incentive for something, cutting it off for Locks of Love or something. Could have had a lot of fun! The other is under the Blood and forgotten! I think Zachias would have made a great small group leader! You may be more useful than you know!
tmw
P.S.- I'm not Polly Pure either and I'm being used!
Mr. Beamish,
You as a preacher? Actually, I could see that.
"Let the one who is without sin cast the first stone."
Nanc,
Thanks for posting that link. What a story and a great truth!
This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage ? but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat.
That Nasser in the story--the same Nasser who harbored Nazis after WWII? See this and watch the video.
Introduction: This news report from Bayerischer Rundfunk explains in detail the cooperation between the Nazis and the Muslim Arab leaders during WW2.
It goes on to explain how high ranking heads of the SS fled to the Arab world and carried on their activities under the protection of leaders such as President Nasser and how modern Islam has adopted a Nazi style ideology of hate and conspiracy against the Jews.
That video is a must-see!
praise G-d, beamish a preacher - pour the whine and cut the cheese - he'd be great! we sinners make the best preachers - because the other ones (you know, the non-sinners) - they're all a bunch of liars!
Nanc- Remember what Jesus said about the woman who poured oil on HIS feet? "Those who are forgiven much, love much. Those who are forgiven little, love little!" A real slap at pharisees and religious stuffed shirts! Unstuffy is a good way to describe Jesus!
tmw
So? Beamish?
Oh, BTW Beamish, our pastor in CA. at Jubilee Christian Center was a former iron worker who was a mess! People could relate to his past and struggles!
tmw
I'm far too "carnal" to serve in that capacity, although God's legacy has always been to use the broken among us - Jonah comes to mind - to gather us in. I'm guilty of defiant pride. Any church I lead might become a cult, and there's always the chance that I'm the Antichrist. I'd much rather take my chances not getting too big. As it is I have trouble reconciling my past with my today - I should be dead or in jail. :/
Excellent. I'm including a link to you and this list in my latest.
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