Monday, August 21, 2006

Saudi Demands Apology!

From Arab News, August 21, 2006:
"JEDDAH, 21 August 2006 — Shoura Council Chairman Dr. Saleh Bin-Humaid yesterday called for a public apology from US President George W. Bush for linking Islam and Muslims with fascism and terrorism.

"The chairman was referring to a recent statement by Bush branding Muslim extremists 'Islamic fascists.' He also warned against deliberate smear campaigns targeting Islam, saying they would have dangerous consequences.

"Bin-Humaid denounced attempts by some political and religious leaders, as well as certain sections of the media, to defame Islam and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

“'We demand a public apology for this falsification as it came from an influential political figure and received wide publicity,' Al-Madinah Arabic daily quoted Bin-Humaid, who is also imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah, as saying. Bush’s statement provoked worldwide Muslim protests.

"The Saudi Cabinet last week warned against linking Islam with terrorism and fascism without considering the history of Islamic civilization. 'Fascism is a product of Western culture,' a Cabinet statement said.

"Bush’s use of the term 'Islamic fascists' was also criticized by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington-based Muslim advocacy group. 'We believe that this is an ill-advised term and we believe that it is counterproductive to associate Islamic Muslims with fascism,' said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad.

“'The problem with the phrase is that it attaches the religion of Islam to tyranny and fascism, rather than isolating the threat to a specific group of individuals,' said Edina Lekovic, spokeswoman for the Muslim Public Affairs Council in Los Angeles. She said the terms cast aspersions on all Muslims, even the vast majority who want to live in safety like other Americans.

"Mohamed Elibiary, a Texas-based Muslim activist, said he was upset by the president’s comment. 'We’ve got Osama Bin Laden hijacking the religion in order to define it one way. We feel the president and anyone who’s using these kinds of terminologies is hijacking it too from a different side.'

"In his statement, Bin-Humaid said the attack on Islam and the Prophet would only strengthen Muslims’ faith in their religion. He urged Muslim governments and organizations to take effective steps to prevent attempts to spread hatred of Islam and Muslims.

"Bin-Humaid said it was the growing popularity of Islam that had provoked enemies to launch smear campaigns."
[Hat-tip to Democracy Frontline]

According to Amil Imani,
"The terror and death inflicted on humanity is not the work of radical Islam, neither the political Islam, nor the militant Islam. It is Islam, period...."
Read the rest of Amil Imani's essay here.


At 8/21/2006 9:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


If they don't want to hear the truth, they should denounce terrorism and seek to end it. Then the truth might be different and they wouldn't be the bald faced liars they are now.

I sincerely hope Bush doesn't get his nose in any deeper and disgrace us more by apologizing, publicly or otherwise.

At 8/21/2006 9:25 PM, Blogger The Merry Widow said...

If I weren't a Christian Lady of more reflective years, I would say something along the lines of, "Take a flying leap at..." But since I am, I shall refrain. Shucks, I have to miss watching my 2 ROFLOL!
Good evening, G*D bless and Maranatha!


At 8/21/2006 9:42 PM, Blogger Raven said...

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Bush got down on his hands and kmees and begged for forgiveness. Not at all.

His time is coming up- his role as POTUS will end soon enough and I suspect he's thinking about the future of his family's bank account. I HATE to say this but I believe this is why he has wimped out so much.

At 8/21/2006 11:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's hoping bush has enough guts to tell them to take a hike...but I won't hold my breath.

At 8/22/2006 4:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you know that a Muslim may not eat any food which has been dedicated to an idol ?


"Four categories of food have been explicitly forbidden:

1. Animals that die of themselves (I will clarify this later on in the article)

2. Blood (this too will be clarified later)

3. The meat of pigs

4. Anything dedicated to other than God (this constitutes shirk/idol worship, the only unforgivable sin if maintained till death, please see 5:87, 9:37, 7:32, 6:119, 6:140 and 10:59. "

Find a piggy bank or model pig from a child’s farmyard, or make a pig out of modelling clay.
Then bowing your head to the image of the Great Supernatural Sow, repeat three times...

“I hereby dedicate all the food in the world to Porcina, The Great Pig Goddess, whose image is before me. Porcina Akhbar!!"

Now let them eat sand.

At 8/22/2006 6:15 AM, Blogger The Merry Widow said...

ROP- ROFLOL! Very, very good! Then take out ads in all major papers around the world announcing it! Bwahahahahaha! That should mess with their heads!
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!


At 8/22/2006 7:48 AM, Blogger Ogre said...

I should be president.

"Hey, Bin-Hoomid, I got your apology hanging RIGHT HERE. Come and get it."

Why can't we have a president with balls? Did we use up all the balls in America with Reagan?

At 8/22/2006 8:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Islamofascism is the perfect word for the problem. The fasces symbolize the power of the state to punish. The attempts by various religious sects to gain control of secular governmental powers, implement sharia, and administer civil and criminal jurisprudence to Islamic codes and PUNISH offenders using sticks (fasces are a bundle of sticks) and axes (decapitate or maim criminals) for violations is facism regardless of whether or not the lictors of Greek, Roman, modern day Italian or German leaders carried fasces around to punish the crowds or not. All Islamic sects that seek to establish Islamic justice over secular forms are by definition Islamofascists.

At 8/22/2006 8:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retraction - Since in Islam the bundles of sticks are NOT tied, but used openly, not symbollically... Islamofascists is too mild a term for what they really are.

At 8/22/2006 9:04 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Hello, Farmer!

Sorry I didn't sufficiently acknowledge your comments yesterday. I was busy taking care of my back by swimming laps--doctor's orders. And after all those laps, I'm exhausted and need a nap.

Islamofascists is too mild a term for what they really are.

Yup, yup.

At 8/22/2006 9:10 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I find myself becoming fonder and fonder of pigs.

I should be president.

Don't forget about Mr. Beamish. See THIS. I get to be the Secretary of Homeland Education, which will be merged with the War Department.

If they don't want to hear the truth, they should denounce terrorism and seek to end it. Then the truth might be different and they wouldn't be the bald faced liars they are now.

Not gonna happen.

GM & Raven,
I think I'll keep an eye on the White House's web site to see if the apology appears.

At 8/22/2006 9:16 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

O Bob,
trouble is, martin luther could never 95 theses on a mosque

Martin Luther wouldn't have been allowed near the Grand Mosque in Mecca. Infidels are not allowed there. I believe that the roads nearby are so labeled.

What are these "dangerous consequences" this Saudi is talking about?

Muslims love to make threats. And sometimes they follow through on those threats.

Now, if those "dangerous circumstances" involves issuing fatwas, I'm collecting them.

At 8/22/2006 9:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The laps are much better for you than hunching over a keyboard all day. Mrs. Farmer is off to Syracuse this am to drop off one of our chicks and to help him feather his nest. Off-campus housing this year! Summers almost over. Better get those laps in while you can!

At 8/22/2006 9:54 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

When the summer ends, I think I'll join one of the nearby indoor pools. I feel so much better when I swim!

So, off-campus housing for one of your children. Hope that the housing is nicer than dorms; such is usually the case.

At 8/22/2006 10:20 AM, Blogger nanc said...

okay, okay, okay - at the risk of sounding impertinent - i'm going to make the apology by proxy:


a little o.t., but good reading this a.m., thomas sowell, jwr:

now i'm off to make some more apologies.

At 8/22/2006 1:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


if they didn't kill some of their own people the protests weren't serious!!


At 8/22/2006 1:38 PM, Blogger The Merry Widow said...

In order to properly honor ROP's idea, we are having pepperoni pizza tonight, and maybe pork chops Thursday! Babyback ribs, anyone?


At 8/22/2006 2:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Despite all the continued IslamExpos, Islamic Awareness Weeks and other Taqiyya-Fests, Islam, its culture and its followers are worthless and useless – and they know it!

Here’s a comment by ‘Waltz’ at al-Grauniad, of all places, which shows why all cultures are equal only in the minds of moonbats, not in the opinions of the general public.

"...There are a lot of differences between Britain's "Muslim communities" and other ethnic minority communities. One glaringly obvious one is that Islamic culture produces nothing of interest to the majority non-Muslim population either in Britain or the wider world. While Chinese, Jewish, Hindu and Sikh Indian and other minority groups can take considerable pride in the admiration lavished upon their past and present cultural achievements - in the arts, cinema, the sciences, music etc - Muslim youths have scarcely anything to feel proud about. The problem of disaffection begins with the simple fact that Muslims come from a culture that has been largely barren for the past 500 years and which, in recent times, has won the world's attention only for its belligerence and violence. There's no answer to this; the problem is one of a fundamental cultural bankruptcy and humiliation that manifests in extremism wherever it encounters richer, more creative cultures - be they Western, Indian, Thai, or whatever. “ from

Muslims have nothing to contribute to their host societies but disruption, death and disaster. They simply do not belong in the modern world. A well balanced Muslim is one with a chip on each shoulder.

Q : ‘What’s the difference between Dar al-Islam and a pot of bio-yogurt?
A: A living culture.

At 8/22/2006 3:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


You lay out some convincing arguments as to why the Bush Administration ought to drop it's opposition to UN run family planning organizations and birth control measures in certain parts of the globe...

At 8/22/2006 5:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

farmer john,

neutron bombs would be cheaper, faster, and less subversive to the world community than promoting ANYTHING through the UN!!

At 8/22/2006 6:27 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Check out Ogre's proposed apology. A portion of the concluding paragraph: "In conclusion, I address specifically Bin-Hoomid and his pals in Saudi Arabia. You are warning me of 'dangerous consequences.' Let me tell you something, buddy -- you're Saudi Arabia. I'm America. Shut the **** up...."

At 8/22/2006 8:45 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

It's ALL about saving Muslim face. Saudi likes our money, so they probably don't have any "serious consequences."

They know we will suck their @sses, so it's not an issue!

At 8/22/2006 9:26 PM, Blogger Gayle said...

I agree with Farmer John!

I also do not believe they are going to get their apology from Bush!

At 8/23/2006 7:25 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

How can anyone defame the prophet muhammad (peace be upon him)any more than he defamed himself?

When my husband saw that placard saying "Behead Those Who Insult Islam," he guffawed and said, "Islam insults itself."

As to MTP, Robert Spencer's next book is on that very subject. Should be quite a read!

I hope not. But I've seen GWB backpedal many times.

Wow! That's quite a comment you cited. Excerpt: "...the problem is one of a fundamental cultural bankruptcy and humiliation that manifests in extremism wherever it encounters richer, more creative cultures - be they Western, Indian, Thai, or whatever."

I had pork barbecue last night. Yum!

I like your apology. Somewhat similar to what I had in mind.

It's ALL about saving Muslim face.

The sense of honor in Arab culture predates Islam. MTP intensified that sense of honor--another method for uniting the various tribes.

Farmer John,
why the Bush Administration ought to drop it's opposition to UN run family planning organizations and birth control measures in certain parts of the globe...


When I was in college, the concept of zero-population growth was advocated by various professors. But today, I don't hear a peep about for third-world countries.

At 8/23/2006 7:28 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...


if they didn't kill some of their own people the protests weren't serious!!

At the most recent stampede at the Hajj, the imam of the Grand Mosque said, "What could we do? It was the will of Allah."

Makes John Calvin's concept of predestination look less controversial, huh?

At 8/23/2006 7:08 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck is having a busy day in the blogosphere today. Cyclical?

At 8/23/2006 7:09 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I don't doubt that an apology might be contained in a diplomatic pouch. But the comment about Rice was over the top, or perhaps your sense of humor.

At 8/23/2006 7:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I think he got off his meds!!!

Bivalents (manic depressives) need to stay on a strict regime to stay relatively NORMAL!!

Not uncommon among the "artistic" set!!


Of course, I knew a family who had their boy on Ritalin from about the age of 6 to 17. If he didn't take his meds he was like an engine that was throttled up with no load on it revving out of control.

He should have been put in an institution to be removed from the crap PERMANENTLY!!! Of course, he probably should never have been on it in the first place!!

The poor kid had never had a chance to learn how to deal with himself in an undrugged state!!!

At 8/23/2006 8:03 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

I know that some children are truly ADD or ADHD. But as a teacher, I've seen many cases where the child was medicated because of emotional problems and/or poor parenting.

I've also seen young people trying to come off the meds for ADD. It's not pretty!

And now we're hearing more and more about kids grinding up the pills and using them for another purpose. I also wonder if using certain meds does not predispose young people to search out other uppers, such as cocaine and meth.

At 8/23/2006 8:06 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Bivalents (manic depressives) need to stay on a strict regime to stay relatively NORMAL!!

My Dad was mildly bipolar. He had an excellent doctor who was very careful to regulate the medications. And Dad was faithful about taking his meds. Of course, from time to time, the dosage had to be adjusted upwards.

At 8/24/2006 5:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


A Muslim shaheed or ‘martyr’ (one who dies while killing infidels), may intercede with Allah to take 70 of his relatives to paradise with him, no matter what their sins.

This thought kept going through Papa's mind as he was considering a career for Sharif, the youngest and most useless of his eleven sons and umpteen daughters. Sharif wasn't much good for anything in this world, he couldn't even remember more than five aliases when filling in his welfare claims.

So a family council was called, and targets discussed. Aircraft, schools and trains had their pros and cons. But then Sharif's sister Parveen had a brain-wave. "Killing Christians is indeed pleasing to Allah, but you get treble points for killing Joooooz. - Let's send him to Israel"

Everybody was in agreement apart from Momma, who wondered how Sharif was going to feed himself in paradise since this was the first time he'd been away from home and he couldn't even open a can.

"No problem" Papa explained "Out of 72 virgins some of them are going to be able to cook." Momma was not convinced they’d be able to cook as well as her.

Meanwhile Sharif went to the local Mosque’s laboratory to mix the relevant ingredients in the correct proportions.

The great day came, and Sharif rushed into an Israeli seaside bar shouting "I love Pepsi Cola more than you love death! Akkah Albar!" - He never could get anything right.

He pressed the detonator and there was a fizzle, and then a flame from his bomb belt - but no bang. Sharif was no great genius at chemistry, he'd made an incendiary mixture instead of explosives.

In an effort to extinguish the flames, Sharif ran out and jumped into the sea. It worked, but then he remembered he’d never learned to swim.

The body was washed up in due course, leaving and Papa and Momma very uncertain. Could Sharif be a Shaheed by just killing himself without taking any infidels with him? Eventually they decided to visit a medium to make contact and find out what he was doing in the afterlife.

“Tell me was it’s like where you are” said Papa.
Sharif’s voice came through the medium sounding squeaky and distorted. “Well, I get up in the morning and have sex. Then I have a lettuce. I have sex again. Then I have a cucumber. Then more sex and celery and so on for the rest of the day.”

“Sex, sex and more sex!” Papa said “Truly my son you are indeed a Shaheed!”

But Momma was still a little anxious “You’ll need more than salad to keep your strength up with all that exercise. Aren’t they feeding you properly in paradise?”

“Who said anything about paradise?” Sharif’s voice replied. “I’ve been reincarnated as a rabbit in Salinas valley.”

At 8/24/2006 6:10 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Bwahahahaha! Wherever did you learn this one?

One element of realism:

Sharif went to the local Mosque’s laboratory to mix the relevant ingredients in the correct proportions.

At 8/24/2006 7:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was something I found on a w/s about a year a go which was a satire on a real incident in Hounslow near London see

I haven't been able to find the original satire verbatim so I've tried to reconstruct from memory.

The more you satirise them the stupider they seem.


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