CAIR Whines—Again
In reference to the term "Islamic fascists," the obligatory whine-o-gram has been issued from CAIR. Excerpt:
"U.S. MUSLIMS CONCERNED ABOUT BUSH'S USE OF 'ISLAMIC FASCISTS' - TOP CAIR: 'Today you equated the religion of peace with the ugliness of fascism'The above sounds good, primarily because the West wants to belive that all religions speak to the goodness in man. Nevertheless, the fact remains that CAIR refuses to condemn terrorists or terrorist organizations by specific name. According to this source,
"(WASHINGTON, D.C., 8/10/06) - A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today expressed concern over President Bush's use of the term 'Islamic fascists' in a news conference about the arrest of 21 suspects in a plot to bomb airliners flying between Britain and the United States.
"In a letter to President Bush, Parvez Ahmed, board chairman of the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) wrote in part:
"'American Muslims have consistently condemned all acts of terrorism, whether carried out by individuals, groups or states. We repudiate anyone who plans or carries out a terrorist act. The American Muslim community remains dedicated to the protection of our nation's security. . .'"
"[A] previous fatwa backed by a large number of American Islamic organizations ambiguously declared; 'Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives'[;] this fatwa did not condemn any individuals by name, and did not define who is deemed to be innocent."As yet, the above specific fatwa has not appeared, and the recent statement by CAIR is just as ambiguous.
Another sound-bite often heard from CAIR's spokesmen on the news states that Islam condemns terrorism. Oh, really? Consider the following, from this source:
Ishaq: 326 "If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies."And what about Sura 9, the most recent "revelation" of Allah—a "revelation" which, by Koranic definition, abrogates all previous passages? A few examples:
Quran 8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
Bukhari: V4B52N220 "Allah’s Apostle said, I have been made victorious with terror."
"....Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush...."(Sura 9:5).When will an interviewer hold CAIR responsible for such obvious taqiyya? How long will these interviewers be allowed to continue knuckling under and nodding their heads in dhimmitude?
"When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them...."(Sura 47:4).
"....Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the Last Day, and who forbid not what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden....until they pay tribute..." (Sura 9:29).
"Say to the infidels: If they desist, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." (Sura 8:39).
"Proclaim a grievious penalty to those who reject faith." (Sura 9:3)."
[Hat-tip to George Mason(PBUH) of Sixth Column for the term "whine-o-gram"]
Addendum, August 18, 2006, from this source:
"STATE DEPARTMENT President Bush has avoided repetition of a term that angered Muslims.
"Responding last week to the foiling of an alleged plot to blow up flights between Britain and the United States, Bush said, 'This nation is at war with Islamic fascists.'
"That triggered immediate objections from the Council of American-Islamic Relations, and another objection today from the government of Saudi Arabia.
"In a statement after its weekly meeting, the Saudi Cabinet 'warned against labeling Muslims with accusations of terrorism and fascism.'
"Bush didn't repeat the reference to 'Islamic fascists' at the State Department today, referring instead to 'individuals that would like to kill innocent Americans to achieve political objectives.'"
posted by Always On Watch @ 8/11/2006 02:49:00 PM
92 comments
92 Comments:
Care should be afforded every respect due any, terrorist supporting organization, beginning with a nice big PNG at the end of a size 14 boot.
OOOps -- CAIR.
Seth,
Bwahahahaha! To the content of your comment--not to the typo.
BTW, I just heard CAIR's Ibrahim Hooper on FNC as he whined about what Israel is doing to Hezbollah. Now, where is his condemnation of Hezbollah? Hmmm?
Mr. Beamish,
Of course he does! I grow so weary of seeing and hearing Hooper. Why won't the media call his treacherous hand? Ugh!
But I have to hat-tip CAIR for one thing....It was CAIR and their lies which brought me into the blogosphere. I found one of the books which CAIR placed into the public-library system, and it launched me. The book: Servants of Allah.
I have had more than I can bear about what in the blazes C-A irrrrrrrr says about anything..THEY are a terrorist organization for mercy sake!..Deport them all!
Why C.A.I.R. hasn't been listed by the US State Dept, as a terrorist organization is beyond me. There is ample evidence thay supports this; high flying member of this group have been convicted of supporting terrorists! If nothing else I can only hope the government is CLOSELY watching every move this group makes.
Hello, Mustang! It's been a while.
Religion of Peace, as this site shows. Or this site, The History of Jihad. That second site takes a bit to load, even at high speed.
1400 years of jihad (aka holy war against all who are not Muslim).
"CAIR, America's largest Islamic civil liberties group, has 32 offices and chapters nationwide and in Canada. Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam,......."
Mission accomplished, Ibrahim, mission accomplished.
Little Che Sucky purrrs:
"... I just can't imagine you all going through check in. "
Actually Little Che Sucky I think you mean you can't imagine the WOMEN going through a suppository check. I do believe you are ENJOYING imagining all the guys going through a suppository check.
Have you put your application in at DHS yet so you can PERSONALLY get in on it???
We all know that men check men in this area. Starting to sound right UP YOUR ALLEY!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You Little Che Sucky MORON!!!
Little Che Sucky also purred:
"There you all go again with the drama."
And would you like to go back to discussions on the US Gubmint wiretaps??
Apparently we gave the Brits headsup on intercepted intel that helped their investigation more than a little.
In other words, if TRAITORS like you had their way these WANNABES, as you refer to them, would have probably slaughtered over another couple thousand people.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Just keep showing us your feathers Little Che Sucky MORON!!!!!
Do you think management at the NYT is getting nervous for a "friendly" visit from federal authorities?
CAIR is a front organization for the terrorists, I don't care what anyone else says to the contrary. Good post and excellent adding the actual Suras from the Koran showing exactly what they really believe and preach.
I would like to point out that they also weasle around by claiming that any Jews or Christians who do not obey ALL laws and Commandments, keep all feasts fasts and holidays... are NOT protected as they are not true to their claimed religion.
As no one is perfect that leaves them the weasle to claim they can kill or terrorise ANYONE. I haven't read anyone claiming that also applies to Muslims, but, I am sure it is a matter of time.
Islamophobia Inspection
I regret to inform you that this webblog and some of its comments have been identified as potentially Islamophobic. Under EU Directive DCLXVI it is compulsory for all contributors to take the following Islamophia test immediately:
YOU MAY BE AN ISLAMOPHOBE IF...
(1) You refer to the midwinter holiday as 'Christmas'.
(2) You save loose change in a p***y-bank.
(3) You allow your children to read unexpurgated versions of Winnie the Poo.
(4) You doubt whether it's politically correct to stone rape victims.
(5) You believe that the earth is round.
(6) You think there's something weird about a 50 year old man marrying a six year old girl.
(7) Your children have Barbie dolls or Teddy Bears
(8) You object to being a second class citizen in your own country.
(9) You fail to celebrate cultural diversity when your daughter is gang-raped for not wearing a headscarf.
(10) You think government policy should be determined by your elected representatives rather than a howling mob.
(11) You object to your taxes being used to support people who are plotting to kill you.
(12) You aren't convinced that 'Jihad' means 'Inner Spiritual Struggle'.
(13) You don't understand why the Jews must be exterminated.
(14) You allow your children to play with LEGO.
(15) You aren't married to at least one of your cousins.
(16) You sometimes have doubts about BBC reporting.
(17) You occasionally wonder what's inside those walking tents.
(18) You realise that taqiyya is not a Mexican beverage.
(19) You believe moderate Muslims ride unicorns.
(20) You don't appreciate the multicultural need for Methodist grandmothers to be body-cavity searched before boarding aircraft.
(21) You claim to understand the words "Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them", even though you don't speak Arabic.
(22) You object to taxpayers' money being spent for terrorists to hold a festival to commemorate the anniversary of their massacres.
(23) You have reservations about 'faith schools' where the kids will be taught that you and your family are najis (excrement), at public expense.
(24) You don't understand why flying your country's flag has become a hate-crime.
(25) You don't appreciate why it is so insensitive and offensive for the police to prevent oppressed minorities venting their frustration by mass murder.
EVALUATING YOUR SCORE
How many of the questions did you answer 'YES' ?
On a scale of 0 to 25
0 you are a Dhimmi
1 to 5 you are a Najis Kaffir
6 to 10 you are an Islamophobe
11 to 15 you are a Thought Criminal
16 to 20 you are an Enemy of Allah
21 to 25 you are a Zionist Crusader offspring of pigs and monkeys.
Fatwas are automatically awarded for all scores above 5
Fatwas will been posted in plain brown paper envelopes in a choice of laminated or embossed styles, generously sprinkled with ricin, anthrax, sarin or cobalt-60.
No thank you Little Che Sucky Ducky. Unlike Mr. Bush, who has been off my Christmas list for about 2 years, even though I would still vote for him over any Democrat I know, I have better things to do with my time then read the same trash a couple of High School teachers of mine tried to get me interested in back in the 60's.
If you would like to publish your home address I would be thrilled to send you any number of interesting, titillating things you would find ever so engrossing!!
Thank you for your kind offer!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You MORON!!!
A LITTLE DELAY
I'll respond in a day or two to other commenters--I just had to respond immediately to Islamophobia Inspector! LOL.
I just got back from a former student's wedding. I'm beat! But I had a wonderful time.
I scored a 25.
You think that at this point I would just file everything CAIR says in the round bin... But no, I just keep getting more and more pissed every time they open their filthy mouths.
AOW, If you don't mind, I will reproduce the Islamophobic Inspector coment on my blog. It's so good, it MUST be shared!
Ducky
That new Avatar still looks like Carlos the Jackal.
Well I scored in the 20's. No great shock
i tied beamish - where's my fatwa?
oh yeah, and i ignore the five calls to prayer a day - what does that get me? bonus fatwa?
i think plucky looks "fly" - no, really he looks like a housefly!
I got a 25! I'm a daughter of pigs and apes! Oh yeah, unhuh, unhuh! I go thwapht at mosques, does that mean I get a second fatwah?
squeal, oink,ooh ooh ohh!
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha! Gee, the day looks so promising now!
tmw
Denny,
I said right after the phraze 'war on terror' was coined that there could not be a war against a form of warfare.
From day one and for the same reason you mentioned, I've despised the term WOT. I cringe every time I hear it, and I've severely limited any use of it because it's improper terminology--just a "buzz word" or a soundbite. Furthermore, I see it as a way to avoid naming the enemy.
"Religion of peace" is a lie. There are Muslims who are not pursuing jihad, but those Muslim aren't practicing Islam; they're practicing their own VERSION of Islam.
TMW,
The more fatwas I can collect, the better. And such collection will go to prove just how empty those fatwa words are!
Glad to get you day off to a good start! :)
Islamophobia Inspector:
I guess I would qualiy for more than one but one will do.
"21 to 25 you are a Zionist Crusader offspring of pigs and monkeys."
I know I will upset many by my philosphy as to how to handle this scum.
On the ranch when we have vermin killing our livestock we not only take out the perpotrator of the act but we go right to the den and take out all the pups as well that way, we eliminate future problems.
If all these people like Cair arent at heart Islamo Facisits why all the squeeling about putting a face and name on a true enemy.
Justin- Vermin patrol! Good way to keep your tracking and shooting skills up! Can I come out with my arsenal and learn how to do it properly? I only have 2 legged vermin to deal with, the authorities look down on the practice of practising on them! Even if I am county! The city slikers down the road are nervous nellies. shuckin's!
Maranatha!
tmw
The following appeared Friday on CAIR's web site:
DC: CAIR TAKES PART IN FBI NEWS CONFERENCE ON UK TERROR PLOT
(WASHINGTON, D.C., 8/11/06) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today took part in an FBI press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., dealing with the alleged plot to bomb airliners flying between the United Kingdom and America.
Other groups participating in the news conference included the All Dulles Area Muslim Society (ADAMS), the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), the Arab American Institute (AAI), and the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC).
I believe that last group is involved in some kind of law suit. Whatever. HERE is info from FPM about the ADC.
Justin,
I read online yesterday that CAIR also objects to other terms: "Islamic radicalism," "jihadism," etc.
I think I get the message.
Justin and TMW,
Go HERE, and scroll down to the last photo. You'll definitely be interested!
Nanc,
I got a 25 as well. Even though my husband and I don't have children, I used my students and young cousins as my "children."
9/11 turned me into a Zionist Crusader. Actually, getting there was a process as I wasn't previously attuned to political matters. I'm still playing catch-up!
I've always had a piggy bank. Now I really ADORE pigs. You should see all the piggies on my front porch.
Mike,
I'm glad that another Muslim appears to have provided the tip that put the Brits onto the scent to catch the bad guys.
I keep hearing that, but with the term "family member." Was that family member actually a Muslim? I have to ask.
CAIR has great public-relations skills. Even the FBI teams up with CAIR. I keep thinking back to Alamoudi, guest at both the Clinton and GWB White House. Alamoudi is now in the penitentiary for laundering money to terrorists. Will the same happen with CAIR? CAIR's law suit of Anti-CAIR was dismissed with prejudice because CAIR would not divulge financial records. Who's checking CAIR's financial records? The real records, not the second set of books (Just a thought).
I spent early Saturday morning, emailing the various cable-news companies. I requested, "Will you please ask CAIR the tough questions?" I used information from this posting.
Beak & Nanc,
Ducky has explained his new avatar, but several--not just you--have commented about it in a negative way. In fact, at the wedding I attended yesterday, readers of this blog wanted to know details about that suspicious-looking avatar.
Mr. Beamish,
Of course you scored a 25!
BTW, I still LOL when I reread your Guide for Handling the Koran. That alone should have earned you several fatwas!
TMW:
You are more than welcome to come down and do some ummmmm uhhhh target practice yeah thats it as we have had more than our share of two legged vermin crossing the fence.
You might want to consider the signe I have posted on the front gate and in various other points of entry.
NOTICE: NO TRESSPASSING!!!
ALL TRESSPASSERS WILL BE PERSCUTED
TO THE FULL EXTENT OF TWO MONGREL
DOGS WHAT AINT TO SOCIABLE AND TO A DOUBLE BARREL SHOT GUN THAT AINT LOADED WITH SOFER PILLERS.:)
AOW:
Very interesting permit I must say. I think perhaps we all need to get us and our kin one of them.
I wasnt aware that in some places you have to have one as here we just treat vermin as vermin. But, it prolly wouldnt be a bad idea to have one just in case. You know some of these game wardens can be a little less than understanding when you hunt out of season.
Justin,
That's a great sign! I've seen similar signs in West Virginia--but not so erudite.
AOW:
Some of my family comes from Sistersville. Possible connection?
hmmzzzzzzzz :)
Brooke,
You think that at this point I would just file everything CAIR says in the round bin... But no, I just keep getting more and more pissed every time they open their filthy mouths.
Ditto! I can't stand LYING!
I saw your post "Islamohphobia Inspection." I've saved the comment here to use at some point. In fact, I think I'll head over right now to The Ultimate Insult and post it. LOL.
Justin,
Hehehe.
Debbie,
excellent adding the actual Suras from the Koran showing exactly what they really believe and preach.
I learned that little trick from Robert Spencer at the Symposium.
Duck,
There you all go again with the drama.
A Ronald Reagan phrase from you? "There you go again." LOL.
And really there is no drama. But I did use a few quotes from Sura 9.
As to suppositories, other commenters have addressed that portion of your comment. I'd say that your reference to suppositories was a bit of drama on your part.
Patty,
Thanks for stopping by here.
personally I am glad CAIr is whining. Rather tips their hand doncha think?
The media and the FBI don't get it, though.
Anonymous,
that leaves them the weasle to claim they can kill or terrorise ANYONE. I haven't read anyone claiming that also applies to Muslims, but, I am sure it is a matter of time.
Interesting thought. Would lead to more sectarian fighting (tribal warfare).
In fact, were the caliphate to become a reality, that tribal warfare would take on epic proportions, IMO.
Grav,
CAIR accomplished an unintended mission when they reached too far.
O Bob,
Do you think management at the NYT is getting nervous for a "friendly" visit from federal authorities?
Maybe. But what will more likely and more quickly affect the NYT is a drop in circulation.
AoW- Got a Fla. one! On my 11 yr. old Tahoe! 2 yrs. ago I was asked if I had gotten any yet, I was told to look for Kerry/Edwards stickers to start my hunting! hehehe
Justin-Love the sign! Even if you did it in espanola, they wouldn't be able to read it anyway! tell you what, I'll start with larger targets and work my way down to the praire dogs. Think that'll work? My son and daughter would love to practice also, especially since my sons going into into the marines! They're all sharpshooters1
Maranatha!
tmw
AOW,
I picked permits up for myself and extras for friends while I was in Washington last year!!!
Pulling it out of my wallet in a coffee shop in SF really gets "interesting" reactions!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Anonymous,
Maybe I'll do one up on my computer. I never get to SF, but I know some other places where the permit would be quite a reaction.
TMW,
We have lots of Kerry/Edwards bumper-stickers in the D.C. area.
I'm kind of partial to the sign that says:
"Trespassers will be shot. If you live, you'll be shot again."
AOW: I live in a 'blue' area of Ohio, near Cinci, and we still see the occasional Kerry/Edwards sticker! There's even a car I see regularly at the grocery with a "WWJB": Who would Jesus Bomb? sticker. Barf! Maybe I'll take a pic the next time I see it and post about it...
Brooke,
There is a car hereabouts with the license plate "JEEHAD." The car, a rattletrap, is covered with stickers saying "Islam is the way."
I haven't personally seen the car, but two of my clients have.
Seth,
I haven't seen that sign. But I've saw this one in southwestern Virginia:
"Do you believe in life after death?
"Trespass here, and find out."
AOW: I'm sure they just mean 'the inner struggle.'
*snicker*
Mr. Beamish,
Pork rinds are a good deterrent. And I love 'em.
I had bacon and eggs for breakfast today.
About Scrap Iron....I think that same company also offers a little piggy. I should check on that.
Brooke,
I'm sure they just mean 'the inner struggle.'
So says CIE (Council on Islamic Education).
**snerk**
Good post. If we can't convince our own sleeping masses that Islam is NOT the peaceful religion they claim it is, then we can expect to begin experiencing unimaginable terror on our own (U.S.) soil - and soon.
As far as they believe that Islamic brothers are repressed by the West and Zionists, they will not condemn terrorists seriously. Minority advocacy groups tend to stress their handicaps in the society. Quite often, they send exaggerated information to the public.
Comment from the Peace Memorial Park, Hiroshima
It is interesting to see the left's position on Islam. Always trying to substitute 'ideology' with 'race'.
It is not a state of permanent denial it is an akward attempt of diversion to help the enemy.
Brooke- The person who has the WWJB sticker, obviously has never read Revelation! HE does a whole lot more than bomb somebody! Probably never read Genesis either about what HE did to Sodom and Gommorah(sic, just started my coffee)! They may find out in the near future what G*D does when HE's fed up with iniquity. Self righteousness based on faulty knowledge sure looks stupid and vacuous!
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!
tmw
aow - found this at fpm this a.m.:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23853
o.t., but you're going to love it.
Nanc,
From that link you left:
MI5 chiefs are jubilant over cracking the plan to disguise bombs as soft drinks or baby bottles — but warned that other forms of transport are massively at risk from suicide attacks....
That explains the desperation on the part of British authorities as they scour throughout the UK.
And what about all those large numbers of cell phones being purchased here in the States? The story has been on the news the past few days. Cell phones were used to detonate the bombs in Spain a few years ago. Any connection? Or were they buying up cell phones so as to communicate without being monitored?
It is now almost certain that a dummy run for an attack had been planned by terrorists for a flight over the weekend....
So, I have to wonder this: What was the target date for spectacular attacks? Or were there several dates in the works?
August 22 has been mentioned by various sources as an attack date on the part of Iran. While AQ is a separate organization, groups of terrorists will cooperate in a common cause.
Shah,
Were you in the park and using wireless access?
I saw a bit of coverage of the anniversary dates of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on the news here.
Hurricane Harry,
Thank you for stopping by.
I do see more and more people--people who never before paid much attention to world affairs--waking up to the truth. The media cannot obfuscate forever.
Missing Link,
It is interesting to see the left's position on Islam. Always trying to substitute 'ideology' with 'race'.
Definitely a diversion on that part of those who have even limited knowledge of the difference between Muslims and Arabs. Some of my clients make that mistake, but I correct them on the error.
TMW,
You'll love the next post I have planned. It connects Biblical history with subsequent events and events today. The post is not my writing but that of a young author.
Oh good AoW! Your students have been a delight and a fresh breath of air! Looking forward to it.
tmw
TMW,
Actually, the posting isn't from one of my students. The author is a college student whom I met via the blogosphere. I like his approach, and I know that you'll love the article which he has consented for me to publish.
TMW,
I need to get my act together and post something by one of my students. The piece is in a folder on my bookshelf--somewhere buried there. LOL.
CAIR's agenda in the United States has never been to help integrate Muslims with American Society.
It has maintained ties to groups that raise funds for terrorism.
In the past CAIR has stated that describing bin Laden as the sworn enemy of United States was offensive to Muslims.
CAIR responded to the arrest and conviction of Jamil Al-Amin (the former H. Rap Brown) by praising him, raising funds for him and then denying his guilt after his conviction for the murder of an Atlanta policeman. Likewise with Ahmad Adnan Chaudhry of San Bernardino, Calif.: Disregarding his conviction for attempting murder, CAIR declared him "innocent" and set up a defense fund for him.
They also promote anti-Semitism and will even intimidate moderate Moslems who reject extremist policies.
AoW- You do have a knack for "dig up" good stuff! Sounds like my place, books, papers, etc. etc., remember a messy desk is a sign of genius at work! wink
tmw
TMW,
I hope that I can find that little essay by one of my students. He's got a great sense of humor and does a bit of satirizing of my class. LOL.
HAHA..I knew ducky would recognize the Daniel Pipes references.
I spent several months at GITMO..the area is actually very scenic but there is a severe lack of female companionship. Cuba could have been one of America's most desired vacation areas. Tourist dollars alone would have made Cuba a rich country.
American Crusader,
before Castro and his henchmen, Cuba was one of the fastest growing economies in the world with a standard of living, I believe, in the top 10 in the world!!
A lot of lefties blame their current economic problems with the US embargo. ExcUUUUUUUUUUSE ME!!! Did anyone notice that the US is less than 50% of the world economy?? That Cuba has the rest of the world to deal with??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Until a gubmint is running Cuba that does not use the economy to oppress their own people it CAN NOT be successful.
Having been in Gitmo, saying that it is striking is the same as saying southern California's high desert is striking. It is desertified away from the bay. Other areas of Cuba, with better wind and rain patterns are the paradise!!!
Little Che Suck Ducky stated:
"I'm hoping that as Fidel fades we ditch the hardline with Cuba also and open things up to some limited trade and tourism. Prosperity breeds a middle class which breeds and open society."
You got it backwards Little Che. Without Freedom the lower classes have no ability or reason to attempt to generate the incomes where they can raise THEMSELVES to Middle Class and above. Fidel and all other Communist/Socialist countries control their people forcing them into the lower class dependent on the gubmint for their living!!!!!
I would also point out that Castro again, recently, banned the use of the US Dollar due to people trading outside of the Gubmint approved economy and creating that Middle Class.
Nice thought though.
As I mentioned in the previous post, whether the US embargoes Cuba or not has little to do with the success of their economy. A free (able to profit from their own work) hard working people will use the rest of the world to raise their situation. This is abundantly shown by the Black Market that is continually fought.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ducky, seriously, answer one question, do you really think a country that can't trade with the US is automatically blocked from any possibility of economic success???
Cause if you do, then, this opens up the question as to why only the US can provide economic success to the world?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
If you don't you are saying that Castro and many other Commie/ Socialists have been telling the BIG LIE for 40 years!!!
Unless you want to show me the GREY AREA?????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And China has a lower prison population too, as a result of their stringent capital punishment system! And the unions, man those Chinese laborers put ours to shame. Did you know Chinese workers are so eager to toil away that they camp out 20-30 to a small room at the factory between 15 hour shifts, and actually chain themselves to their manufacting machines? All this while admiring the Chinese craftsmanship in the knockoff AKM assault rifle his supervisor is carrying.
/sarcasm, obviously
Little Che Sucky Ducky, would you like to explain to the 10's of millions dead how they helped to reduce poverty???
Would you also admit that adopting western manufacturing and agriculture has also contributed to the reduction in poverty??
Would you also like to admit that STEALING TECHNOLOGY through contracts they reneged on has ALSO helped reduce poverty?
Would you also like to admit that forcing people to sell their production at gubmint set prices allows the gubmint to oppress those who work and enrich those the gubmint wants enriched?
Would you also like to admit that having gubmint officials having literally life and death authority has created a orruption problem that dwarfs the Democrats here in the US and most other countries to the point the Chinese gubmint has started executing people for corruption although it has definitely kept those officials out of poverty??
Would you also like to admit that forcing one child per family is dehumanising and is creating a demographic problem that could very well cause regional wars or other unforseen problems in the next 10 years, although it has helped fight poverty short term!!!!
That if we didn't have so many lefty MORONS in the WEST the Chinese industrial revolution would never have gotten off the ground???
That the wonderfully intelligent Chinese leaders are doing their utmost to join the WTC and other so called FREE TRADE groups!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Free Trade Little Che Sucky MORON???
Who the hell in this world practices Free Trade???????????????
Oh, and Little Che Sucky, since when has going from starvation almost year round to occasional starvation considered getting out of poverty???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Little Che Sucky Ducky:
Check this overview out:
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ch.html
Now, consider their banking system is worse off than our banks when we had the bankruptcies.
That "only 150,000,000 people are below the INTERNATIONAL POVERTY LEVEL."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_line
That their military spending has continued to accelerate.
That their Generals assume they will be fighting us within 10 years.
That if we embargoed China it WOULD make a difference due to their greed in selling every knockoff to us they possibly can. Without us absorbing their output they would go immediately into a DEPRESSION (not recession). In other words more and more of their income is based on the US dollar which they are trying to damage!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
And ya know, it just bothers me that I have to register my Church or they are going to arrest me and torture me to find out who my accomplices are. I guess I just ain't very tough living in the easy going west and all!!
It bothers me what a group like the Falun Gong is getting done to them.
Ahhh yes. The Chinese tyrants are literal GENIUSES!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Since they are doing so well we can come see you off on your immigration flight when???
Ya know, I will freely admit that the Chinese MASTERS are doing a better job than Stalin, and Putin, and Castro, and Mousey Tongue, and Moma Ho, and Chavez, and all the other losers yapping about making things better for the WORKER.
Of course, Hitler and Mussolini were doing pretty well also!!
I don't want to see what a country the size of China can do to the rest of the world myself.
You Little Che Sucky MORON!!!
Ducky,
So we're back to searching for the people brought out of poverty in China.
They're not working in factories, and they're certainly not the poor slaves who LIVE in the factories.
They're not the starving, illiterate unemployed folk from western China, hiking across the countryside from failed collective farming experiments to seek unskilled labor employment in the cities.
So who are they?
Do they get to drive the company car over pro-democracy demonstrators in Tiennamen Square?
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Duncy
The only thing Communist in China is the rampant corruption and thugocracy. The Chinese lifted their country out from poverty by eliminating Communist/ Socialist dogma and creating a less oppressive slave system.
While the party elites collect the cash the peasants work like gulag prisoners. Its about exploitation of the masses. Any reduction in poverty in China came in spite of Communism.
Moreover one can look at the Indian example for how it was done far better without the rampant corruption. One can also look North at the failed state of Pakistan where Islamocorruption and tribalism has made progress an excersize in futility.
Now about Cuba I would like to start my own house cleaning. I would like to send US Communists to Cuba to live with the system they love. I want to send Leslie Kagan back with full knowlege the death penalty is likely her fate.
Make the USA a better place denaturalize John Brown, Ducky and all other US Communists and send them to Cuba.
If life in a Communist country is so wonderful, why aren't people from other nations begging to live in such a wonderful society? It seems to me that people flee Communism, not flock to it.
Mark,
Good to see you here! It's been a while.
Muslim children are so often spoilt when they are raised. Is there any wonder they behave like spoilt children when they reach adulthood?
In my own experience and in the experience of my colleagues, Muslim parents of their sons make every excuse for their male children when they misbehave or don't perform well in school. Yes, lots of parents make excuses for their children, but I have to say that Muslim parents far exceed "the norm" in that regard. I've also noticed that these Muslim parents don't make any such similar excuses for their daughters.
Always, don't you just get so tired of carping Muslims? They commit heinous crimes against innocent people, then they bitch and moan and whine when people complain about them.
I grow weary of the whining.
Every time there is a terrorist attack or the interception of one, along comes CAIR with various stories--often unsubstantiated--about how Muslims live in fear of retribution. And the reality is that such acts of retribution are extremely rare, particularly here in the United States. I recall one such whine-o-rama about a Muslim's business having been burned down; it turned out that he himself torched his own business to collect the insurance money.
"In my own experience and in the experience of my colleagues, Muslim parents of their sons make every excuse for their male children when they misbehave or don't perform well in school. Yes, lots of parents make excuses for their children, but I have to say that Muslim parents far exceed "the norm" in that regard. I've also noticed that these Muslim parents don't make any such similar excuses for their daughters."
It boggles my mind that so-called "women's rights" groups aren't up in arms about the treatment of women at the hand of Islam. From AOW's benign example, to the "honor" rapes, murders, and institutionalized domestic violence against women, Islam is one of the worst violators of human rights, and women's rights in particular.
It is impossible for a society that denigrates and enslaves 1/2 of their population to evolve out of the dark ages.
And what's worse, even a cursory glance at NOW's front page reveals that it is little more than a Democratic talking-points platform, with articles such as "The Truth About George" to "U.S. Republican Taliban Endangers Girls and Young Women."
I, for one, am extremely offended that NOW would have the nerve to compare the Republican party to the Taliban, while doing NOTHING to stop atrocities committed by the REAL Taliban, and their Islamic ilk.
ducky said "Does that include Communist China which has an economy that has pulled more people out of poverty than anything the U.S. has done in the last 25 years."
Do you really think that's a fair comparison? When you look at the absolute numbers it may be true but China has nearly 1.5 billion people. When you look at the percentage of the population it's an entirely different situation.
anonymous...you made some good points but you failed to mention the corrupt government under Batista. The poorest segment of the population was not included in Cuba's rise. Under Castro, Cuba's poor are better educated and have far better medical care. Please don't think that I support Castro...I will be glad when he is gone but he is not the Satan that America often makes him into.
Also having 50% of the worlds economy only 90 mi. away only further makes my point.
American Crusader:
Being reasonably well educated just makes the PRISON that much more a torture. I would also question, compared to what standard.
I question how good the health care is. Have escapees actually verified this or is it from visits to clinics by the Commies Useful Idiots??
American Crusader:
How many people risk their and their childrens lives to get away from an OK place. Think what kind of stress people have to be put under to risk their lives to escape Cuba??
These aren't exactly THRILLSEEKERS!!
We saw the same thing in the Iron Curtain countries. People so desperate they would rather take the chance of dying escaping than staying where they were.
Look around for their stories and see what THEY tell us about Cuba.
Crusader mentioned the corrupt government under Batista.
I've read about Batista's rule. But Castro's administration of Cuba hasn't been a step forward.
The corruption of Batista and Cuban politics did not stop Cuba from having one of the best standards of living and top 10 economic growth in the world.
Yes Batista was a typical strongman with the corruption and violence that entails. Compared to what Castro, Raul, and Che created and did, Batista was a humanitarian!!!
GWB has now backed off the terminology he used. From this source:
Bush drops reference to 'Islamic fascists'
STATE DEPARTMENT President Bush has avoided repetition of a term that angered Muslims.
Responding last week to the foiling of an alleged plot to blow up flights between Britain and the United States, Bush said, "This nation is at war with Islamic fascists."
That triggered immediate objections from the Council of American-Islamic Relations, and another objection today from the government of Saudi Arabia.
In a statement after its weekly meeting, the Saudi Cabinet "warned against labeling Muslims with accusations of terrorism and fascism."
Bush didn't repeat the reference to "Islamic fascists" at the State Department today, referring instead to "individuals that would like to kill innocent Americans to achieve political objectives."
Can't anger a country that we depend on for oil. President Bush needs to tell Americans the truth and stop pandering to the Saudis and their ilk.
Crusader,
Can't anger a country that we depend on for oil.
They can't EAT that oil.
In the not so distant future (Estimates range from 10-20 years), Saudi will not have the deep oil reserves. Then what?
The Sarc,
Even Newsweek Magazine has recently published information about terrorists' persistence and fixation on particular targets.
Anon--damn straight about Fidel Raul Che et al. I spit on them. I would love to spit on Che's grave. As it is I'll just revel in the fact that his image has become an icon of capitalist success. Pig. PARTY PARTY PARTY when Fidel tanks, baby!
I keep wondering what has happened to unwitting idiots who have worn their Che shirts in certain areas of Florida I've lived in. Shot, stabbed, or just beaten to a pulp? Nah, angry Cuban exiles, I'm betting beaten to a pulp. Time to visit the family again though when Castro goes. I want to see the fireworks, baby!!
Ducky, you're one of those people who would have been sucking up to Bill Burroughs in his later years. I know people like you. Come on. Don't deny it. Vodka & Coke and others all the way round. Shotgun, anyone? You're one of those guys.
Dammit, I forgot my original comment:
AOW--SCAIR tactics! ROFL!!
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