Monday, October 23, 2006

The Blogosphere And CAIR

YouTube has enjoyed a reputation of upholding the right to freedom of speech. Last week, however, in the space of two hours, I twice attempted to leave a comment to this YouTube video relating to Ahmed Bedier, the Executive Director of the Tampa Chapter of CAIR. Both times, the following message appeared:
"Your comment will be posted once it has been approved."
My comment has never appeared, even three days later. What I attempted to post read somewhat as follows:
"From what I've read, some of the incidents reported by CAIR were not confirmed.

"Frankly, Americans showed remarkable restraint following 9/11."
Today, I left a comment asking why my comments had never appeared. That comment has also not appeared. Apparently, all of my comments were deemed inappropriate. But the following comments to that particular video were acceptable:

fmm3 (3 days ago)
When did arson attacks on churchs become terrorist attack ? see [2.00 mins]. Seems like every crime a muslim does now days is a "terrorist attack".I would expect Fox news to use every opporunity to insite people to hate muslims, i wish you would stop using Fox news clips.
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bedier (3 days ago)
fmm3, If Muslims have a problem with what is displayed on FOX News, then they have to work harder to be on those clips and making a difference. Ignoring that media outlet will not help change the negative perceptions.
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Supkem (3 days ago)
Another excellent point.
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fmm3 (2 days ago)
An excellent point made and i can see CAIR is working hard, but with Fox news broadcasting soo much anti-muslim newsclips those clips making a difference are often a drop in the ocean and often broadcasted on local Fox stations. For example sice your president used the term "Islamic-fascists" Fox news has made this a popular term and is now used frequently and the average person is lead to believe they are a strong ideological connection.
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bedier (3 days ago)
fmm3, If Muslims have a problem with what is displayed on FOX News, then they have to work harder to be on those clips and making a difference. Ignoring that media outlet will not help change the negative perceptions.
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Supkem (3 days ago)
excellent point.
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Supkem (3 days ago)
It is nice to see so many americans reaching out to Muslims in an effort to embrace peace.

The street runs both ways though. Is Islam doing enough to intergrate into socity? or do they cry wolf to often?

As far as I see there are far more "I'm a victim" stories, and not enough, condemnation videos. the ratio is about 10-1 right now. and that is a fact. Sorry but true.
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bedier (3 days ago)
Watch more of our videos. We're condemning and doing it often. The "I'm a victim" stories are more because there is sooo much hate in our nation against Islam and Muslims and people are acting that hatred out. We will continue to speak out on both topics.
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fmm3 (2 days ago)
The news channels don't seem to broadcast Muslims holding conferences and demostrations denouncing violence because simply "peace" is in some ways boring and does not attract viewers, you know, who wants to watch muslims hold a conference on community relations when they can see flag burnings in Pakistan, India etc. They want to see the people insiting violence so their stereotypical views can be confirmed.
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fmm3 (2 days ago)
I think the real question is, are American doing enough to understand Islam and muslims ? Maybe most people are too lazy to go down to the book shop or library, it is far easier to pick up the remote control. In some ways Bedier is right, the influx of "victim Stories" on your television is simply because arguebly most Americans hate Islam and muslims are the those with the extremist views buy a sniper rifle and use mosques as target practice.
On Saturday, October 21, 2006, blogger Steve Harkonnen posted the following, which relates to what has been going on with Bedier’s material at YouTube:
“From the actions of the past week against a known terrorist supporter that claims he's working for a civil rights group that still supports fundraising groups that aid and abet terrorist factions in the Middle East, it's basically proof-positive that on his youtube.com site, where he posts his propaganda videos that tout how "good" his organization is, there is active post-screening going on, and 9 out of 10 posts are showing support for his group.

“Simply put: he's screening out truths - truths on recorded quotes, truths that his group is an illicit organization that is hell-bent on instituting Sharia Law in the United States and making it into an Islamic Theocracy….

“[H]e's obviously trying to hide the truth that:

“His group was birthed from Hamas and that his group has close ties with the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

“Several of this group's officers have been arrested for terrorism, and they were employed by this radical group during the time of their arrest.

“This was the thesis of what I was trying to post over on youtube.com but the comments weren't coming up. If they were, they were quickly snatched away by the propagandist that sits behind this site...."

The following provides some additional information about Ahmed Bedier (Go HERE to access the links):
December 13, 2005

CAIR-FL SPOKESMAN SAYS "NOTHING IMMORAL" ABOUT ISLAMIC JIHAD

BEDIER PRAISES SAMI AL-ARIAN'S ACQUITTAL


(Coral Springs, FL) Last Thursday, on a local Tampa Bay, Florida television program, Ahmed Bedier, the Communications Director of CAIR-Florida, stated that, prior to 1995, there was "nothing immoral" about the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) terrorist organization.

The show, WTVT's 'Your Turn with Kathy Fountain,' featured a discussion about the recent acquittal of PIJ leader Sami Al-Arian. Bedier, who has been acting as Al-Arian's long-time unofficial spokesman, was asked a series of questions by the host of the show.

One of the questions dealt with the morality behind Al-Arian's connection to Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Fountain asked, "If he was associating with the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, doesn't that seem immoral, in your opinion?" Bedier responded, "To a certain degree. Now, before 1995 there was nothing immoral about it."

Bedier's answer is startling, given the fact that, prior to 1995, Palestinian Islamic Jihad took credit for five terrorist attacks, which resulted in the murders of eight innocent people. This includes a suicide bombing in the town of Netzarim Junction, in November of 1994.

On December 7th, the day prior to the TV show, Bedier didn't hide his praise for the acquittal of Al-Arian. He said that the verdicts were "a huge relief, and people are just jubilant."

About Bedier's statements, Joe Kaufman, Chairman of Americans Against Hate, said, "It is disgraceful for Ahmed Bedier to make light of a cold-blooded terrorist organization, as he has about the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. It is offensive to the memories of all those that died at the hands of this monstrous group! It is equally offensive for Bedier to describe the acquittal of terrorist leader Sami Al-Arian in terms of 'jubilation.' Our organization calls on the news media to not seek quotes from this man, but to instead denounce his irresponsible statements."
Several other articles about Ahmed Bedier can be found HERE.

Additional information covering developments with YouTube and Blogger over the past few days can be found HERE, the final sentence of which reads as follows:
This is interesting stuff and the blogosphere should be made totally aware of what is happening.
Be sure to go HERE to read Joe Kaufman's most recent statement. If you have time, you might want to read all the postings at Joe Kaufman's blog, which, as of this moment, shows a total of seven postings.

Addendum: Please see what Pim's Ghost has posted, HERE and HERE.

39 Comments:

At 10/23/2006 7:54 PM, Blogger Steve Harkonnen said...

Bedier has the gall to tell people online that he has never spoken with al-Arian nor has ever had any email contact with him.

Just my opinion, but I seriously doubt it. They've probably bumped asses in CAIR's prayer room before.

 
At 10/23/2006 9:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bedier needs to be deported. Oh, wait, so do all the rest of the moslems...silly me.

 
At 10/23/2006 9:31 PM, Blogger kevin said...

AAH and CAIR Watch are great blogs. Ive reccomended them to myreaders as well.

 
At 10/23/2006 11:31 PM, Blogger nanc said...

aow - i've forwarded andy's latest newsletter to ben johnson at fpm and will forward every single one until i see it on the front page of frontpage.

when you comment at bedier's - paste and copy it back to yourself with the date and time you tried to post - throw it into a file especially for AN occasion.

i believe if we inundate a few larger publications with this information - they will find it difficult to ignore u.s.

 
At 10/23/2006 11:32 PM, Blogger nanc said...

p.s. a couple that come to mind are world net daily and newsmax.

 
At 10/24/2006 1:05 AM, Blogger Pim's Ghost said...

Steve, "bumped asses", BEAUTIFUL!!!

Nanc--I've started just putting them on my blog...rofl!! Not all of the YT comments, but the blogger ones. As for YT, I stick to commenting on videos that Bedier comments on as well but doesn't own.

I'm a really annoying person, aren't I? I just did another post about this subject, and I used a picture that I took of CAIR-Florida girls at Busch Gardens. They would go the same day as me. I never go there. So I took a bunch of pics. Like I say, I'm annoying.....

 
At 10/24/2006 7:36 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

TO ALL COMMENTERS

Please see the addendum I've posted to this blog article:

Addendum: Please see what Pim's Ghost has posted, HERE and HERE.

 
At 10/24/2006 8:21 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Kevin,
AAH and CAIR Watch are great blogs. Ive reccomended them to myreaders as well.

In one of my next postings, I'll post their logos front and center.

 
At 10/24/2006 8:27 AM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
Notify as many of those reporters as you can think of.

 
At 10/24/2006 9:36 AM, Blogger American Crusader said...

This story seems to keep growing. Nobody should be surprised that CAIR or anyone associated with CAIR would distort information for their benefit.

I wish more attention was going towards Bedier's relationship with Keith Ellison.
How could Minnesota elect to Congress a former member of the "Nation of Islam"?
And why was Ellison in Florida?

 
At 10/24/2006 10:11 AM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Why so concerned about Minnesota, American Crusader? Let Minnesotans decide. You have never expressed concern over the election of a stinking bigot like Norm Coleman. Why does Ellison concern you?

Can you point to something in his platform or is it just the "m" word. I hope not because that would be biased.

This thread retty much supports what Bedier has been saying. If anyone is remotely associated with a pro Palestinian stance and doesn't buy into the "Judea and Samaria" nonsense, the endtimers and kahanists are all over them.

 
At 10/24/2006 10:43 AM, Anonymous Seth said...

Duck --

A member of Congress from any state participates in legislation that effects the entire country, so why shouldn't AC, or any of us, for that matter, be concerned?

 
At 10/24/2006 11:07 AM, Blogger Pim's Ghost said...

The elections are important period. Why not watch everyone? I just hope that all of those who feel the way I do up north vote against Ellison.

Ducky, are you going to join up or something? Become a SCAIR Monger? BTW Ducky, send me a pic if you would, I want to go as you for Halloween. I need to really scare the neighbors.

We'll see if this posts on Bedier's profile on YT, but I thought it appropriate:

"Thanks for your web activities, Bedier. Thanks to your efforts, looking into CAIR is once again on the front burner and groups like Anti-CAIR & CAIR Watch are getting good donations. Pat yourself on the back!"

What's that term again? "Blowback"?

 
At 10/24/2006 1:39 PM, Blogger nanc said...

aow - we should ALL forward these messages to AS MANY magazines and periodicals, news stations as possible.

 
At 10/24/2006 2:10 PM, Blogger lilfeathers2000 said...

YouTube changed once they sold a few weeks back they are pro muslim and terrorists.
Not for freedom of speech any longer.

 
At 10/24/2006 2:59 PM, Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

lol mad zionist...thanks AOW...are people finally realizing what some of us have known from day one..that C-a-I-r is nothing but a front and and accessory to terrorism......

 
At 10/24/2006 3:43 PM, Blogger Pim's Ghost said...

Lil--yes, and the flagging option for videos now includes in the "reasons for flagging" the option "hate speech". Now tell me where that'll leave YouTube? And who's to decide? I can handle video after video questioning my faith. It doesn't bother me. I don't want censorship. But for Muslims seeing Islam even discussed? Discussed by non-Muslims? They'll flag it, simple as that. I just hope YT has the sense to keep up videos that are just normal videos.

Nanc--I'm still waiting.....they're fishing. They've sent Bedier fishing, and they're waiting to haul someone in. I bit, just to see what'd happen. But I want to know what they're trying to do. I think they're trying to get at least one of us bloggers sued, and even if the suit doesn't go through, it would make our identities public. But I have no doubt that that is what is going on with "Project Bedier Web-Storm" here.

 
At 10/24/2006 4:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't get worked up about Poultry. His anti-semitic fulminations make any discussion about bigotry a joke

 
At 10/24/2006 4:11 PM, Blogger Mr. Ducky said...

Well seth, maybe we should be concerned.

You look at tha crew in Washington and some are certifiable.

Hell there's a Republican woman running in Minnesota who was caught photopraphing a gay pride parade from behind a tree. Certifiable.

The fact that the man is or was a muslim is simply a descriptive variable and tells me nothing about his platform.

 
At 10/24/2006 5:20 PM, Blogger benning said...

You're out of the loop, AOW. YouTube has been banning conservative thoughts for some time and have begun banning conservative, and anti-jihadist videos. But they will still accept the terrorist shooting an American-types of videos. I won't go there anymore. I won't support the leftist drift they've taken.

 
At 10/24/2006 5:25 PM, Blogger benning said...

BTW: take a look at this post from Defiant Infidel. He's gone from YT, and links to another who's left 'em.

 
At 10/24/2006 5:59 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Benning,
You're out of the loop, AOW. YouTube has been banning conservative thoughts for some time and have begun banning conservative, and anti-jihadist videos.

I had heard that. But the comments I tried to post were nearly innocuous. Yet they went unposted and my inquiry unanswered. Some comments very hateful WERE posted, however. I detect an agenda there.

 
At 10/24/2006 6:11 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Nanc,
aow - we should ALL forward these messages to AS MANY magazines and periodicals, news stations as possible.

My work schedule on Tuesdays through Thursdays prevents my doing much of that. But wait until Friday.

Of course, I could always pull an all-nighter, courtesy of pots of java.

 
At 10/24/2006 6:20 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Duck,
Why so concerned about Minnesota...?

Because it's an election year?

Seriously, do you not follow election campaigns in other states?

And who is funding Ellison's campaign? I've read that CAIR has contributed. And who funds CAIR?

Seth has also made a good point:

A member of Congress from any state participates in legislation that effects the entire country, so why shouldn't AC, or any of us, for that matter, be concerned?

Pim's Ghost,
and the flagging option for videos now includes in the "reasons for flagging" the option "hate speech".

I hate that term "hate speech." For the most part, the term is subjective. And people bandy around the word "hate." Pretty soon, it will mean any speech which doesn't agree with the speaker's. Then, what do we have? Fascism?

 
At 10/24/2006 6:20 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Mad Zionist,
Humane repatriation--it may come to that.

 
At 10/24/2006 6:21 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Now, Bedier was born here in America, I think. But if he so loves Islam, he could--COULD go to live in an Islamic nation, where he'd be more comfortable.

 
At 10/24/2006 6:25 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

WHT,
people finally realizing what some of us have known from day one..that C-a-I-r is nothing but a front and and accessory to terrorism

The truth will out!

 
At 10/24/2006 6:28 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Steve,
They've probably bumped asses in CAIR's prayer room before.

You have a way with words! :)

 
At 10/24/2006 6:29 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Pim's Ghost,
Like I say, I'm annoying.....

Only to certain people.

BTW, did you study debate in school?

 
At 10/24/2006 6:30 PM, Blogger Always On Watch said...

Beak,
Don't get worked up about Poultry.

Actually, I don't get worked up. I do a lot of "Pfffttting," though. LOL.

 
At 10/24/2006 8:01 PM, Blogger Brooke said...

Are we seriously to believe that we shouldn't concern ourselves with other states? HA!

And, if a man's platform is unrelated to his religious persuasion, why did a liberal reporter make a big deal out of Sen. George Allen's paternal grandfather being *gasp* Jewish?

Peggy Fox: "'It has been reported,' said Fox, that 'your grandfather Felix, whom you were given your middle name for, was Jewish. Could you please tell us whether your forebears include Jews and, if so, at which point Jewish identity might have ended?'"

 
At 10/24/2006 9:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brooke

It is so the left can include Allen in their Neocon cabals. The fact that Allens mother converted and hid the fact make this a silly point. Allen's mother has not been Jewish for many years. Allen himself found out fairly recently.

 
At 10/24/2006 9:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brooke

It is so the left can include Allen in their Neocon cabals. The fact that Allens mother converted and hid the fact make this a silly point. Allen's mother has not been Jewish for many years. Allen himself found out fairly recently.

 
At 10/24/2006 9:55 PM, Anonymous Debbie said...

It looks like CAIR has another spokesperson, or website, YouTube. Very selective on their choice of videos and comments. Good post AOW.

 
At 10/25/2006 12:18 AM, Blogger nanc said...

aow - i have a day off friday - i'll try to compile a list of people we can e-mail - no bcc's - each and every one should know who's getting what - that's where we'll see where the rubber meets the road, so to speak.

thank the Lord - tonight was the last band competition! that keeps us busy five nights out of seven - one of those h.s. football games (this friday is the last of the season).

i'll be all over this and submit a list to you before i go to my mountain this weekend and you can post those which you agree with - perhaps you'll want to run it by steve and andy first - it could turn into a mass mailing event!

we haven't been home as a family for a weekend for over six weeks - i'm ready for a weekend. come to think of it - i'm ready for a moment.

 
At 10/25/2006 7:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have read Bediers blog anyone who has read Bat Yeor or Alvin Schmidt can readilly dismantle him.

He has 1400 years of Islamocolonialism and Islamo Jim Crow. His answers about Jiyzah border on the comedic. It wasn't extortion because dhimmis didn't pay Zakhat. What is next the Armenians wanted their kids to be turned into Jannisaries and to be extermiated.

 
At 10/25/2006 12:10 PM, Blogger Pim's Ghost said...

AOW--no debate, just as hobby. You should see some of the local issues taking up my time lately....sheesh.

Yes, definitely an agenda. Will you guys all support me when I get sued? I know that's what they're trying to do. I might write a post on that pre-emtively, as it would be rather absurd to sue someone who is openly stating that suing someone is the goal. At least is seems so to me.

Yep, the "hate speech" flag is an absurdity. Especially on a site that complains about having to review all of the videos submitted as "flagged". Now they're asking for more. Odd. Oh well, mine wil go "poof" and then everyone else's will until YouTube is just a bunch of videos of people smiling innocuously into the camera saying nothing. "Hate speech"....what, can I get Cindy Sheehan on that one? Puhleeze. See, even if I could, I wouldn't. I believe in freedom of expression. It's just too bad that so many web resources don't seem to lately....

 
At 10/26/2006 1:46 PM, Blogger cube said...

I'm not surprised about the censorship. Manipulation of reality is standard operating procedure with those who are pushing forth an agenda.

 
At 10/27/2006 9:58 AM, Blogger American Crusader said...

You should check out the comments section to this post " It is humbling to be popular" by Hussam Ayloush, Southern California's executive director of CAIR.
This guy makes up comments clearly designed to arouse anger among the Muslim community.

Read these three comments:

john killebrew said...

80% of all muslims,lend financial,moral,or infrastructure support to terrorist's.muslims have lifted deception to an art form.i've yet to hear any of you denounce terrorism or terrorist's.you worship "allah"the name of the ancient arabic "moon god"you spread your faith by the sword.your goal is imposing your beliefs on the world.you are my enemy.

10:33 PM
Don R said...

CAIR is simply a collection of terrorist supporters who don't deserve the freedoms they are allowed in this country. Of course the owner of this blog won't have the guts to allow this to be posted, since Muslims don't seem to like criticism.

6:53 AM
Anonymous said...

You're a bunch of pedophile-worshipping Muslim terrorists. Oops, I'm sorry---that's a redundancy. It's enough to say Mohamedans. The mass deportation of the entire Islamic fifth column from the West is only a matter of time. Enjoy our hospitality while it lasts, Mohamedans, because if the civilized Germans were capable of perpetrating a genocide against millions of innocent and helpless Jews, Slavs and gypsies, you can be sure that the same Europeans will arrange the same genocide for millions of Muslims who burn cars, attack individuals in broad daylight and rape women. THEN you will learn what TRUE "Islamophobia" really is.

Curse the umma.

 

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